recomstructing `old` embroideries , and ponderings about How rich we are now in matedrials
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
had on a shirt when I was 12-14. I have a photo , which I enlarged
several times and I can see most of the stiches.The photo is B/w , but
strangely enough looking at it , sort of Reminded me of it`s colours.
In those times it was a tradion that when finnishing grammar school
The girls embroidered , shirts for themselves as well as for one boy
!!! I remember that I made several shirts like this !!!!But I remember
that this shirt was given to me !!!
This were hard times and there was not enough of any thing, Embroidery
threads were not so easy to get. But since the pearl cotton was used
also to mark washing items with your name or a wash number , every 2
families were given 1 - 10 gram ball to be shared amongst them , every
second month . Every one got the same color at the same time ...
[probably they bought it in Bulk !!] and thus we collected materials
and learned to work with what we had , or we bartered !!!
Now I can buy Whole balls of every color I want !!!
And it gives me a thrill every time I choose a nerw color to be used,
I always feel so very lucky to be able to have such a wide choise of
materals. I still got one applique wall hanging I made when I was 16 ,
for the background I used an old used sack [Jutah]. For the appliqued
parts I used old cuts either from clothes my mother made , or from a
torn dress, I had green and red floss , but I also needed yellow ,
thus I pulled out some threads from a yellow woven dress of my mother,
and used this for embroidering the yellow parts. I used a piece of
woven ribbon. The work is still with me. I just am amazed how we all
managed to work with Scraps. But it was an important lesson , one can
do with what one has !!! I feel very lucky whenever I buy something
new , but I do use every bit and part of all my bought cloth &
threads.
mirjam
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply
>and thus we collected materials
>and learned to work with what we had , or we bartered !!!
>Now I can buy Whole balls of every color I want !!!
>And it gives me a thrill every time I choose a nerw color to be used,
>I always feel so very lucky to be able to have such a wide choise of
materals.
I was taught the same way -- you made do with what was to hand. I don't
think many of the younger stitchers have ever had to learn to do this. It's so
much easier for people -- me included sometimes -- when they can work from
kits, be they poor quality or good. Even when we have the chart and want to
kit something up ourselves, we tend to use *only* what is specified on the
materials list.
The Marketing strategy used by the retail industry of late is slowly
strangling our creativity. When talking about needlework, this is (IMHO) most
obvious in the attitude towards aida, waste canvas, "blue line" embroidery,
etc. -- basically most of the forms of needlework not done on evenweave
fabrics. Heaven forbid you should need just the right color of fiber for a
project and go cannibalize an existing article to get the required material!
If you can't go to the store and buy the supplies someone tells you to buy,
then you can't be doing *real* needlework!
This is yet another aspect of "thinking outside the box" so to speak. We
need to actively encourage this and nurture the creative spark in everyone!
Everyone needs to learn the basics and *learn them properly*. With the proper
foundation, you can then go on to doing different things and learning new and
exciting skills. Once you get creativity sparked and unusual ideas set free
you can go on to do all sorts of strange and wonderful needlework things :-))).
CiaoMeow >^;;^<
.
PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^<
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benmax
I've never used a kit, but then, I don't do cross stitch.
I would like to endorse what Tia Mary said about 'thinking outside the box'.
Recreating someone else's pattern is a skill, a craft...the stitching has to
be right etc, but putting your own ideas into a piece, whether it's
designing a simple motif or establishing the form and structure of a wall
hanging, or a 3-D textile piece, is incredibly satisfying.
Admittedly there is more of this sort of work outside the US, the UK and
Australia for example ,but there is a growing number of textile artists from
Europe and the States who are 'thinking outside the box'.
Try it sometime...break your own boundaries...
nan
Linda Wright
I rarely use kits, but find it nice to occasionally have someone else
do the thinking for me. That said, I rarely do exactly what the kit
instructs. For example, right now I'm doing Gold Dimensions' Grand
Wizard (crewel/embroidery). They have some great stuff in there -
charms, stars, metallic thread, etc. But I'm adding my own touch with
glow in the dark thread, irridescent beads, etc.
I have to agree about the Marketing strategy. Unless you xs or quilt,
there's not a lot of choice out there. It's frustrating at times,
especially if you don't live in a large city where you might have more
than a JoAnn's, Michael's or Wal Mart to choose from. I've learned to
do a lot on my own and thank heaven for Google to help me search for
that perfect graphic I can adapt to my needs! Also, RCTN for all the
helpful ideas!
Now - off to add a star with glow in the dark thread. Later, I'll
take my stencils and start making palm trees and flamingos for my
daughter's quilt. And I still have to figure out the perspective
thing on that Renaissance waterfont. . .
Linda
WIP: See above
Dianne Lewandowski
Just yesterday, hubby was putting on a countertop and couldn't do
whatever it was. I handed him some silly implement having nothing
whatsoever to do with "tools" and said, "Will this work?" "Perfect!"
he responded. I said at the time, why is it if you guys don't have
the right "tools" you can't do the job? I remember well stopping an
overflowing toilet using a foot and a scarf tied to a towel bar. A
guy would have just stood there trying to find the shut=off valve
(there wasn't one).
I've used sewing thread in embroidery. I've taken necklaces apart to
get just the "right" bead. I've used screw drivers to turn a pillow
corner. I use old, fine knitting needles to test cakes.
By the way: rayon sewing thread makes brilliant highlights on things.
Try it. The variegated is neat!
Dianne
On 16 Jul 2002 12:32:41 GMT, catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr (Tia
Karen C - California
catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr (Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) writes:
>we tend to use *only* what is specified on the
>materials list.
I'm going to venture a guess that this applies to the crowd who started with
CCS, where the colors are called out for you. On blue-line, quite often, all
you got was the pillowcases, with no clue whether the designer meant for the
roses to be pink, red, or lavendar. And if you did get a color key, it just
said blue and yellow, with no hint if they meant a screaming Crayola yellow or
a nice lemon or perhaps one of those pale creamy things. Up until recently, I
don't recall ever getting a blue-line with DMC numbers.
However, I've noticed that quite often among the post-CCS generation, there's a
phobia that the ONLY colors that are acceptable are the ones the designer
called out. I've just had the argument (again) with a friend that she needn't
pass on a piece she loves just because the chart says 18-count; she can stitch
it on 14 just fine. She and I regularly go round in circles that she can't
stitch this or that because it's on linen and she can't do linen, or that she'd
love to start this, but the designer said cream and all she has on hand is
antique white.
Probably our world-class argument centered around "no, I am not going to go buy
you $30 of overdyes for a free chart -- just use the DMC variegated" "But, it
won't look right; if the designer wanted me to use DMC, she would've said so."
Funny, but I just stitched the same free chart using only one variegated, not
six, and she thought it looked just fine, till she looked at the bottom of the
chart and saw that I didn't do what I was told. This is not kindergarten, you
don't flunk if you use the yellow crayon instead of the red one.
Either that, or we've produced an entire generation of people who have been
taught that it's not done to question authority. No, no, my 70s compatriots
couldn't have possibly raised a bunch of conformists!!!
--
Finished 7/5/02 - "Footprints"
WIP: Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe, Guide the Hands (2d
one)
Paralegal - Writer - Editor - Researcher
http://hometown.aol.com/kmc528/KMC.html
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
"thinking out of the box " made me giggle a bit .
Went Mid town yesterday and as I passed by this wonderful Threads shop
we are so lucky to have in my city , I enterted tom say Hallo !!! and
`snoop` a bit for new materials. Found one thread , but worked out
that he asked 1.5 times the price my little wonderful Neighbourhood
charges ,, thus No buy , [ his loss deffinitely !!] But I entered a
scene you xst kit buyers would have loved , There stood this Tiny
miniature beautiful lady , with her arms spread wi-----de , holding a
printed canvas of a Hunting scene ,,, never saw it on a canvass , very
similar to those Great tapestries , you have in Victorai& Albert , or
in European BIG houses ,, it was big but looked bigger as the lady was
so tiny ,, the young seller , was trying to Not sell it ,, she said
her mother Never finnished it ,,,, the tiny lady said she has all the
time in the world ,,, and she makes this and than sells it as a ready
made work ,, i did not ask how much she charges for her many hours of
labour ... She said she was hired as a caretaker for an elderly woman
, and she does this xst while the woman is sleeping ,,, she could not
make up her mind ? between the hunt scene a Big house + lake + boat +
fishing man and a woman with her hand in the water ,,,, than she took
her celephone , and called somebody in a mysterious language ,,,, and
took both canvasses .......I just could not resist and asked her what
language it was ?? she smiled and said:"This was my buyer , and I am
from Thailand ",, She told me it was quite a Trend now in her area ,
of Rich people to hang a xst canvass on the wall !!!!
And back to our subject ,,, yesterday I was looking ion my bags of
leftover cloth , for a material ,to make an applique of a Kiebboets
Water tower ,,,, it used to be whitewashed Cement ,,,,, I knew i had
the perfect match ,, but could not find it ,,, than remembered i lent
a bag of leftovers to a colleague , called her and she brought it over
,,,, and there it was just the perfect part ,,,, The colleague told me
she found lots of pieces to match her [ art ] quilt... and was i
interested in her leftover Cream cottons ??? no i was not But i knew
another friend was ,, thus I matched those two for a friendly exchange
of materials ,
For myself i went yesterday Cottons hunting in one colors !!I sewed
several Skirt+ matching Shirts outfits , and thought to enrich My
garderobe with some Monochromatic cotton shirts ,,,, Found some
wonderful colors. Also visited the bead shop , as i needed a special
charm .... but thet were sold out [ this should teach me a month ago
they had PlentY!!!] looked around a bit and saw that they sold some
quite long necklaces for 25 shekels [ 1$ almost 5 shekels } , while
they sold a tiny bag with the same beads . Only 10 beads for the same
amount ,, thus had i needed that bead I would have bought the whole
necklace !!! Not such clever marketing !!!
While looking through my cloths leftover bag i found my lost bag of
Plastic Buckles , wonderful to work with , you can use as is or cover
up with threads , I have cut those off old clothes , and asked other
people not to throw away theirs !!!!
I just love recycling !!!!
mirjam
Dawne Peterson
"Tia Mary- wrote.
>The Marketing strategy used by the retail industry of late >is slowly
strangling our creativity. When talking about >needlework, this is (IMHO)
most obvious in the attitude >towards aida, waste canvas, "blue line"
embroidery,
> etc. -- basically most of the forms of needlework not >done on evenweave
fabrics. Heaven forbid you should >need just the right color of fiber for
a project and go >cannibalize an existing article to get the required
material!
> If you can't go to the store and buy the supplies >someone tells you to
buy, then you can't be doing >*real* needlework!
This remains one of my complaints about certain stitchery publications that
seem directed at requiring you to go out and buy a pile of specialty
fibres, charms, beads and bits in order to make it look "just like the
picture." Until fairly recently, I had no LNS which carried for example
hand-dyed theads, and while I could guess what "Blueberry" might be, a
name like "African Sunset" wasn't much help in deciding what to use
instead.
In contrast, I have seen charts-admittedly cross stitch--in British
magazines specifically aimed at using up your bits one hand. The sort of
thing that says "take 4 shades of any colour you like, dark to light"
encourages the kind of "making do" this thread has been discussing .
Dawne.
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply
>.............The sort of
>thing that says "take 4 shades of any colour you like, dark to light"
>encourages the kind of "making do" this thread has been discussing
I don't subscribe to magazines (well, except for Stitcher's World and I don't
really have a choice about that one -- LOL) so I have yet to see something
wonderful like you dewscribe above. What a *great* idea!!!
30+ years ago, my Mama had seen a plaque with a tortoise on it and the
saying "A little patience Lord, I'm coming" at a friends home. She fell in
love with it and talked about it for days. The cost of the plaque was wayyy
beyond my means at the time but I *wanted* Mama to have something with this
saying.
I designed a crewel wall hanging with all the stuff the plaque had. I
searched through my stash and Mamas stash (she didn't do needlework but was an
artist and had strange stuff from different design and decorating efforts) and
found some lovely cream burlap to use as the fabric. Then I dug through the
leftovers from my finished projects and *more* of Mamas stuff and found some
thin, colored sisal that was great to be couched down to delineate the sides of
the road the tortoise was on.
Well, suffice to say that I got the project all put together and didn't have
to buy much of anything. I didn't have a lot of *regular* needlework stash at
the time but there were enough bits and pieces of things *not needelwork
related* hanging around that I had enough stuff to make that little piece!
Transferring the drawing to burlap wasn't the easiest thing and the actual
stitching wasn't a *lot* of fun but the look was perfect for the early 1970's
and Mama loved the piece so it was well worth the effort!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Cheryl Isaak
>
> Either that, or we've produced an entire generation of people who have been
> taught that it's not done to question authority. No, no, my 70s compatriots
> couldn't have possibly raised a bunch of conformists!!!
Actually, they did - however unintentionally! Some of the most regimented
adults I know are the children of some of the wildest acquaintances of my
youth! (I'm 43 and didn't start having children until my 30's)
Cheryl
Dianne Lewandowski
you. <big grin> Ever heard a Wal-Mart television ad? "If Wal-Mart
doesn't have it, you don't need it." Talk about mind bending!
Dianne
On 17 Jul 2002 04:23:15 GMT, kmc...@aol.com.LuvXS (Karen C -
Sonya Cirillo
somewhat. . . they will specify that your child needs xxxx brand
watercolors and xxxx brand crayons. . . . <rolling eyes> *who cares*
as long as they have watercolors and crayons!!!!!
It's an attitude!!! It comes partially when folks are being taught -
when teachers teach in this way: "now color/paint the coat red; next
paint the hair dark brown. . ." instead should be: "now color the coat
- yes Suzy you can use as many colors as you want - but try to not
get too detailed or you won't get finished. . . next paint the hair. . "
:) my kids and others I've taught have learned not to ask me what
color to use next. Instead they ask for suggestions - knowing they are
going to get several and/or questions like "Well if you want it to
look 'realistic' than you might use xxx or xxx or xxx. . . " or "What's
your favorite color(s) - you could use a shade of that. . ." :)
Also - I agree with Karen - those of us that first learned embroidery -
got trained early in having to think for ourselves - and to make do
with what's available. . . somehow asking Mom to drive into town (20 mi
away) so I could get a skein of lt. pink floss when we had three other
shades - just wasn't going to happen!!! :)
Sonya
Dawne Peterson
"Sonya Cirillo" wrote
(lots of interesting observations about how some schools foster uniformity)
> I agree with Karen - those of us that first learned >embroidery - got
trained early in having to think for >ourselves - and to make do with
what's available. . .
Some parents are just as rigid about "the right way to do it" as some
teachers. My mother certainly didnt instill confidence and independence!!
You are on to something, whether it is in school or in home, about the
"things are this way" attitude--"cows are brown" instead of "cows could be
black, or brown, or blue, or ....". We give kids lots of facts and few
possibilities.
I also think we have made the creative arts into an mystery. Too many
people believe they "can't draw" and so are stuck with whatever transfers
happen to be at Wallymart rather than what they want. Many old redwork
designs are amateur drawings, and that is makes them charming. But we buy
"primitive" transfers to do them!
I think this notion that only a precious few are artistically talented
tends to make people afraid of messing with whatever a designer has
done--after all, he/she has this mystical gift, and if you change one
thing, you will ruin the vision the designer had!
Dawne
Marie
a ton of cross stitch, really large elaborate pieces. She will only buy one
skein at a time of any given color, and frequently runs out. Many times I
have gotten a phone call from her late at night, almost midnight on a few
occassions, asking if she could borrow a length of whatever color. She
*always* does exactly what the chart/kit calls for. A few times I showed
her things I was working on where I did my own thing and added blending
filament, overdyes, beads, glow in the dark, different stitches. She really
liked it , thought it was so *neat*, but can't bring herself to use her own
creativity. I really enjoy going off the beaten path so to speak. I love
the variety and uniqueness of adding my own touch to my work. Marie
(Boboette)
"Karen C - California" <kmc...@aol.com.LuvXS> wrote in message
news:20020717002315...@mb-ct.aol.com...
Joan Erickson
>
> Hooray for those who are encouraging thinking out of the box.
>
> Just yesterday, hubby was putting on a countertop and couldn't do
> whatever it was. I handed him some silly implement having nothing
> whatsoever to do with "tools" and said, "Will this work?" "Perfect!"
> he responded. I said at the time, why is it if you guys don't have
> the right "tools" you can't do the job?
you *must* use it only for that purpose. That's why they have so *many*
tools when about half the amount would work just fine!!! :)
>I remember well stopping an overflowing toilet using a foot and a scarf
>tied to a towel bar.
You had a foot tied to the towel bar?!?!? LOL! What a picture
*that* conjures up!!!
--
Joan (sorry, couldn't resist)
See my first-ever design here:
http://www.HeritageShoppe.com/heritage/temp/joan1.jpg
"Stitch when you are young and poor, frame when you are old and rich."
- Elizabeth's (rctn'r) sister's MIL (Barbara Marr)
Sheena
I concur with all you both said - Dawne although I know you are not too
fond of Harry Chapin your "Cows could be black, or brown, or blue "etc.
did bring to mind "Flowers are red" !
He understood how exciting and unrestrained life outside the box can be
and how easily it can be subjugated..
Sheena
Danny Breidenbach
Sonya Cirillo wrote:
>
>
> It's an attitude!!! It comes partially when folks are being taught -
> when teachers teach in this way: "now color/paint the coat red; next
> paint the hair dark brown. . ." instead should be: "now color the coat
> - yes Suzy you can use as many colors as you want - but try to not
> get too detailed or you won't get finished. . . next paint the hair. . "
I've noticed in pediatricians' offices that the pages from coloring books
nearly always have the Little Mermaid colored blue, or the horse colored
pink, and all sorts of other delightful variations. Kids lose that later.
But I think it's wrong to blame it all on the teachers. For example, if my
three-year-old decides that the cow should be purple, she gets into quite a
tizzy if she can't find the purple crayon. It's almost as though she
thinks "But it's SUPPOSED to be purple." But then, who really knows that
kids are thinking.
As for using colors that aren't specified on a chart, I always worry that
I'll be creating a mess. I don't know enough to judge whether a slightly
darker grey will make the shading all wonky.
--Danny
Cynthia
embarrassing if one kid comes in with the box of 6 generic crayons and the one
sitting next to them has the box of 128 top brand crayons. At least with the
lists there is a clue what the norm will be and lets the parents know what to
expect in advance.
I never follow the rules anyway so I always look upon such things as
"guidelines". <GRIN>
Cynthia
"Sonya Cirillo" <cir...@localline.com> wrote in message
Pat Porter
blocked toilet, too! Just put your arm safely inside the bag and pump it up
and down vigorously in the blocked loo ! Works much better than a plunger.
Just one tip - best not use one of those safety concious plastic bags with
holes in!
Pat P.
"Joan Erickson" <joan_e...@und.nodak.edu> wrote in message
news:3D359F53...@und.nodak.edu...
Seanette Blaylock
things to say about Coloring, Was Re: recomstructing `old`
embroideries , and ponderings about How rich we are n:
>I've noticed in pediatricians' offices that the pages from coloring books
>nearly always have the Little Mermaid colored blue, or the horse colored
>pink, and all sorts of other delightful variations. Kids lose that later.
>But I think it's wrong to blame it all on the teachers. For example, if my
>three-year-old decides that the cow should be purple, she gets into quite a
>tizzy if she can't find the purple crayon. It's almost as though she
>thinks "But it's SUPPOSED to be purple." But then, who really knows that
>kids are thinking.
My kindergarten teacher [I was 5 then] got bent out of shape because I
colored a cow purple. You'd think she'd have gotten more upset about
how hard a time I had staying anywhere near the lines. :-)
--
Seanette Blaylock
WIPs: knitted hat/scarf set
knitted sampler afghan
crocheted sampler afghan
"Pure Elegance" needlepoint stocking [Dimensions Gold]
"Shimmer Snowflakes" felt applique stocking [Bucilla]
"Magic in Motion" cross-stitch [aka Merlin, Laine Gordon/Dimensions]
Sonya Cirillo
crayons: box of 24 or 48
markers: set containing primary colors - preferably washable
watercolors: set of eight
1 dry erase marker - black - med. point
. . .
As opposed to:
1 box of crayola crayons
Prang watercolors
Crayola markers
1 dry erase marker
. . .
I've coped with both type of lists - at least once I had a teacher get
upset because I did *not* get the $7 set of Prang watercolors but
settled for $2 Crayola watercolor (there was a lot of other comments,
similar, from the same teacher - won't go there)
I do agree with your example - but because of the number, not the fact
one is brand name and the other generic. . . same number - who cares
about the brand as long as they color! I've been there - the envy
of the child next to you with so many more colors to pick from!!!!!
:)
Sonya Cirillo
teacher be at school, church, home, a friend or relative).
*But* too many children are sat on - I can't begin to tell
you how many times my children have come home and said - the
teacher didn't like my picuture because the xxxxx was the wrong
color! My reply was usually something like - "Well the teacher
was just trying to be realistic and didn't know you were using
an imaginary world!" :)
Children go through phases too - most settle and insist on making
things match realistic colors somewhere around 2nd/3rd grade - but
my personal opinion is that it is good to encourage them to explore
with color sometimes too. . . abstract type arts work good at this
stage :) But if they are still in art by high school they are back
experimenting with color (yea!!)
Sonya
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply
>.....my personal opinion is that it is good to encourage them to explore
>with color sometimes too. . . abstract type arts work good at this
>stage :) ..............
I used to go round and round with my older sis who had no kids. whe would
get in such a state when I insisted that DD do her best to color inside the
lines. My belief is that the best use of coloring books is to teach the little
ones eye hand coordination byt giving them an outline to attempt to stay
within. Any color is OK at first but as they get older, they need to learn to
use the proper colors and then go back to using whatever strikes their fancy.
If DD was drawing her OWN picture then she could do whatever she wanted. Any
color, any design, draw black outlines and then color outside them. Whatever
she wanted was hers to have so to speak. If she was trying to draw a cat or
dog then we would attempt to make the drawing actually look like a cat or dog.
AS with our needlework (to get this sort of back on topic -- LOL) -- we all
need to learn to do something the best and most "proper" or even dare I say
"acceptable" way possible so that when we let our imaginations take flight the
results are based on solid foundations. CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Sewuni
>somewhat. . . they will specify that your child needs xxxx brand
>watercolors and xxxx brand crayons. . . . <rolling eyes> *who cares*
And then there's the grade school my daughter attended last year:
2 plain red pocket folders
2 plain yellow pocket folders
2 boxes of 24 crayola brand crayons
2 boxes of 16 crayola brand watercolors.....
you get the picture. Theoretically, the purpose in specifying colors and so on
was to ensure that all children had the same supplies, (supposedly to reduce
the "my stuff is better than your stuff" kind of comments) and to ensure that
no "inappropriate" designs were present. This school actually banned Harry
Potter merchandise after two kids got into a fight AFTER SCHOOL over trading
cards. They were also required to wear uniforms to prevent gang colors (come
on already, these are K-5 kids!) and "peer pressure issues." Personally I
think we've taken conformity a bit too far now.
Jennifer
s ew un i a t a o l d o t c o m
WIPs: Precious Moments "Because You Count"; two Memorial Flag squares;
Stephen King "Misery" converted from book art; Mirabilia "Lady of the Flag"
Anna Begins
sew...@aol.competent says...
> And then there's the grade school my daughter attended last year:
> 2 plain red pocket folders
> 2 plain yellow pocket folders
> 2 boxes of 24 crayola brand crayons
> 2 boxes of 16 crayola brand watercolors.....
>
do at least manage to provide crayons for the children.
Okay, so they don't get a set each, but that teaches them another lesson
- to share :)
--
Anna
We are all travellers in the wilderness of this world, and the best we
can find in our travels is an honest friend.
- Robert Louis Stevenson
Karen C - California
<seanette.spam...@impulse.net> writes:
>
>My kindergarten teacher [I was 5 then] got bent out of shape because I
>colored a cow purple. You'd think she'd have gotten more upset about
>how hard a time I had staying anywhere near the lines. :-)
I've never seen a purple cow
I never hope to see one
But I can tell you any how,
I'd rather see than be one.
Ogden Nash
Karen C - California
<dbre...@math.purdue.edu> writes:
>
>As for using colors that aren't specified on a chart, I always worry that
>I'll be creating a mess. I don't know enough to judge whether a slightly
>darker grey will make the shading all wonky.
>
That's why you line up all the colors in a shading and look at them to see if
they flow. :)
A big question is, "is this used as shading in a row of similar colors, or do I
just need something to put in the center of the flowers?"
I hunted all over the county for months for a particular color, and when I
finally got it was when I discovered that I could've used any other pink
because the only place this one showed up was the pink spots on her cheeks. In
fact, I had one in stash that I thought would've been even better, but after
spending 3 months tracking it down, I wasn't going to frog and replace it!
Anna Begins
says...
>
> I think this notion that only a precious few are artistically talented
> tends to make people afraid of messing with whatever a designer has
> done--after all, he/she has this mystical gift, and if you change one
> thing, you will ruin the vision the designer had!
I'm lucky, I guess - I get to work with a very good graphic designer in
my job, and she is incredibly open and "non-precious" about her designs -
so when I have said "I'm not sure that works" we work together to fix it
- and I've learnt a lot, and now we produce stuff pretty much as a team.
It has demystified a lot of the design process for me, and has given me
confidence in other areas.
I've also learnt that with design there is no one "correct" solution -
when Jules comes up with design concepts, mostly three of four would wrk
equally well, and it comes down to a matter of taste.
When I was at school, a couple of careless comments from my Art teacher
destroyed any confidence I had in my ability. Having a best friend who is
a very talented architect didn't help either :) But it *is* possible to
learn. I filed away in my head images of things that pleased me -
buildings, magazine layouts, shop displays, gardens, a swatch of
fabric... and then when I could, thought about why they had appealed to
me...the structure, lines, colours, distribution ... whatever...
I'm still not a confident designer, but I'm going to work on that. But I
have confidence in my taste. And because I know the "rules" that govern
that taste, I can make changes within it... I almost never make a
project exactly as instructed ... especially when it comes to colours, or
lettering... and I wish more people were prepared to make their work more
personal...designers are only people too, and they don't always get it
right ...
Some people can be quite scathing about XS and NP (especially painted
canvases) and call it nothing more than painting by numbers - and to be
honest, sometimes it can feel like that for me, unless I do make the
changes that make it *my* piece. Actually, by doing so, sometimes it
makes me feel more in touch with the designer, because it seems more like
a collaborative effort ...
umm, I'll shut up now, I'm rambling...
Sheena
One is more in touch with the designer. I have done three courses now
with Anna Pearson and the last time (in Norfolk) I decided I wanted to
do a needlepoint rug. Everything she had was not quite right for me and
finally I decided I would do a border from one of her designs, combine
it with another of her designs in the middle etc. She was just as
excited as I was about the outcome and obviously did not feel I had
either rejected her designs or colours, she admitted that it was fun to
see it all from a totally different perspective. It really goes to show
that we all have thoughts on colours, designs etc. to give to each
other.
As an aside, for my ramble, my aunt who was there decided to do one of
her diaper patterns for an old chair. She got started on it but was
unable to complete it and I offered to finish it for her. I did tell
Anna that I find her designs are b-----s for difficult tent stitches
around patterns, especially repetitive ones. She thinks that funny, she
just designs and the model stitchers have the headaches! Oh well.
Sheena
Dianne Lewandowski
rest who have contributed to this thread).
However, I'm afraid to take your stance too far. That really puts
down the "real" artist, who has a sense of color, a sense of design
that by far the vast majority of us just won't ever get to. Each of
us has our strengths and weaknesses, and I, personally, don't want to
demean those who are far superior in artistry than I am.
I've seen artists being touted by EGA, and when I see their work, my
heart goes thud. I don't know enough to say it's poor. So I don't
and I won't. I've seen others that makes my heart sing. And I've
seen others that are simply stunning, while others are mediocre at
best.
Without getting into a difference of opinion on what is and what is
not "art", (that would take a thousand years and never be solved), I
WILL admit that, if we just weren't so restricted, we could take
what's around us and use it.
As you pointed out, the primitive redwork drawings. Much of early
embroidery was done by peasants who used designs carved into
furniture, from pottery, or other artifacts. I just took an "idea"
from a teapot so that I can make a picture that matches my kitchen!
We need to learn to use what's around us.
I love some of the designs produced in cross stitch and other mediums.
They are far and away on a higher plane than anything I could do. But
I also enjoy getting my feet wet and trying to do things on my own.
But I also realize that some people just don't have the knack for it.
But you can still be *very* creative in your own right.
Dianne
Bmciowa
>I've never seen a purple cow
>I never hope to see one
>But I can tell you any how,
>I'd rather see than be one.
>
>Ogden Nash
Isn't this by Lear?
Sara
WIP: Baby things for friends
Brittany's Quilt (Indigo Rose) done!
May Basket Samper (Pat Rogers)
Trish Brown
> My kindergarten teacher [I was 5 then] got bent out of shape because I
> colored a cow purple. You'd think she'd have gotten more upset about
> how hard a time I had staying anywhere near the lines. :-)
>
> --
> Seanette Blaylock
Hmph! DD's Year One teacher gave her appalling marks and labelled her
'dull' because she never completed the colouring component of her
worksheets.
Her Year Two teacher has shot DD into the Gifted class because she
thinks outside the box and is far too intelligent to bother with mundane
colouring! (I am almost in *love* with this woman... LOL!)
I will say that observational skills become important early on in a
child's development and in early primary education we need to be certain
that kids *know* there are no purple cows and can *see* that dogs
rarely-to-never have five legs. Of course, it depends on the child and
what stage of development it's at. I must say, DS never coloured his
cows purple, but DD might... she'd colour anything in any colour, just
to get it over with! LOL! She *loves* Corel PhotoPaint for just this
reason: that paint-can icon is a life-saver!
--
Trish {|:-}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Seanette Blaylock
to say about Re: Coloring, Was Re: recomstructing `old` embroideries ,
and ponderings about How rich we are n:
>I will say that observational skills become important early on in a
>child's development and in early primary education we need to be certain
>that kids *know* there are no purple cows and can *see* that dogs
>rarely-to-never have five legs.
I'm sure I knew that about cows, and I *know* I knew normal dog
anatomy, since we had lots of dogs [and cats]. :-)
Mavia Beaulieu
Bmciowa wrote:
>
> >
> >I've never seen a purple cow
> >I never hope to see one
> >But I can tell you any how,
> >I'd rather see than be one.
> >
> >Ogden Nash
>
> Isn't this by Lear?
>
> Sara
Actually it was written by Gelett Burgess. Twenty years later he
followed it up by writing:
Ah, yes, I wrote the "Purple Cow"
I'm sorry, now, I wrote it!
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'll kill you if you quote it.
Cinq Ans Après, 1914
I persume he's no longer around to follow up on that threat! LOL
happy stitchin'
Mavia
Trish Brown
>
> Trish Brown <kawb...@ozemail.com.au> had some very interesting things
> to say about Re: Coloring, Was Re: recomstructing `old` embroideries ,
> and ponderings about How rich we are n:
>
> >I will say that observational skills become important early on in a
> >child's development and in early primary education we need to be certain
> >that kids *know* there are no purple cows and can *see* that dogs
> >rarely-to-never have five legs.
>
> I'm sure I knew that about cows, and I *know* I knew normal dog
> anatomy, since we had lots of dogs [and cats]. :-)
ROTFL! Both my kids have been regarded with awe by their classmates
because both have been blessed with the ability to draw 'great horses'.
And what makes a 'great horse' in primary school? Hindlegs with knees
that bend backwards!
Karen C - California
(Bmciowa) writes:
>Isn't this by Lear?
You may be right. I didn't look it up. Not even sure I have it in any of my
books TO look up. I mean, it definitely isn't "Literature". :)
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
I always told all my students , but more so the students who were
studying to become instructors , that "Everybody has some Sort of
creativeness in him/her " and that we should encourage it in our
pupils/ students rather than crush it with our Dos and Donts !! but on
the other hand we should Firmly teach the basic methods of proper
working ,, and that The good teaching way is walking delicately
between this 2 needs .
It is not an easy task ,,, too many teachers and instructors take the
easy way out , They encourage copying their `solutions`, their Color
schemes ,,,, etc...
You are right On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:49:09 -0600, "Dawne Peterson" e
>teachers. My mother certainly didnt instill confidence and independence!!
trained, when in 3 rd grade i knitting my second sock I added some red
stripes, as the green wool bored me !!! My mother was asked by teacher
to "restrain ` this Creative imagination` , for the child`s own good !
>I also think we have made the creative arts into an mystery. Too many
>people believe they "can't draw" and so are stuck with whatever transfers
Well Creative arts are a mystery , we all carry in our minds !!! and i
still can`t draw or won`t draw , but work my way around it, Never use
other people designs or transfers , I will never be Rembrandt ,,,, But
i produce My work , i always encouraged my students to listen to their
own Mystery inner Crteative voice ....
Several weeks ago a woman contacted me , telling me she had ALL this
Muse , but she can`t get her work into any Gallery , nore does she
sell it , could she come and show me some of it ??? she ahppens to
live near by ,,, She came ,, showed some very Decorative , appligued
Backgrounds , all very neat , nice cxolor combinations ,,,, but it had
no SAY, it lacked Her in it ???She complained that her work was " So
beautiful!!!" I agreed it was Beautiful , but it made me want to sleep
It did not tell me any story ,, thus I asked her if i should be honest
or polite !!! I also could see Her Teacher in her works ,, she was
amazed as i said to her with whom she learned !!!!
She wanted me to give her clues , How her work would sell better ,,
I said to her she should Work more On her backgrounds , maybe tell Her
story ,,, She did not understand me , she insisted that it had to be
sold as was ,,,, I never lay a hand on other persons work ,, thus i
asked her if she liked her children , when she said yes , i adviced
her to Say this in color on top of the Neat background ,,, She asked
how she should do that ??? I adviced her to think about Love My kids
theme , ,maybe read some poems about it , look at Classical art about
it !!! she told me that it was unkind of me to mock her !! I said i
was very serious , 3 days later she called me and asked if she could
come show me what she did , sheembroidered lots of Heart contours
over the back ground , and asked me if I was happy now ??? I asked her
if She was happy , she said she was now very happy . Work is not sold
by now but she loves her work better !!! and told me she learned to
follow her Gut feelings more !!!
I see a future for her !!!
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
us were either lucky or just stubborn enough to develop and train this
and use this abilities more
Others chose to develop other abilities !! Nobody is born with a
complete ability ,, everyone has some basic abilioties and This
Artistic senses have to be nourished by learning trying testing etc..
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
the keys to your talent or Creative Source !!!
looking listening comparing , se what appeals to YOU ,,, yes you have
found it !!!
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
it in bulk , and resell it to the parents ?
Our schools have uniforms, it does not stop kids from looking
different !!
mirjam
On 17 Jul 2002 21:16:43 GMT, sew...@aol.competent (Sewuni) wrote:
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
it cuts of all your colors ,,, every time you wonder about matching 2
colors or how 2 neighbouring colors will look ,,, wrap them side by
side and , hang them in a place that you can see ,
this will tell you how they will look ,
mirjam
a
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
and an important tool to
>ones eye hand coordination byt giving them an outline to attempt to stay
>within.
has a Sight problem,I adviced many a friend / colleague , when they
complained that their kids did not stay within the lines , to go have
their eyes checked ,,,, and indeed many a times , when a child can`t
keep within the line after a certain amount of coloring experience has
a sight problem , many a time , it canbe treated at this young[er]
ages, with expert help.
>use the proper colors and then go back to using whatever strikes their fancy.
nature made it ? How would a child of a mother who dyes her hair ,
draw a color drawing of his mother ???
Did you know that Dry countries Green is more yellow than Rainy
countries Green ?
AS to Forms of actual beasts ,, yes i agree with you a cat should Look
like a cat not like a camel , but i knew a wonderful child who could
not draw , but always Just wrote by every form , cat , dog etc... he
writes beautiful poetry ,, he is Word gifted , and should be helped to
develop that !!!
So his cats look like squares ,,,, he can`t help it ,,, mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
what a pity she is afraid to move out of the rules ???
but I know a woman , who knitted for 20 years a pattern I gave her,
The same one pattern !!!!
And she was very proud of it !!!
mirjam
O
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply
>Proper color ??? you mean as intended by the book maker ?? or as
>nature made it ?
I mean as nature made it :-))). I like to color kitties & sheep pretty pastel
colors like pink and green and lilac. I taught DH that she could do the same
but that it was pretend colors and she had leaarned that sheep and kitties are
not really those colors.
>Did you know that Dry countries Green is more yellow than Rainy
>countries Green ?
Have to LOL about this. In Lizard Land, the green of
mesquite trees along the Verde River is distincly different from the green of
the same trees out in the desert! People wouldn't believe me when i would tell
them this until they saw it for themselves!!!!! It really IS true :-)).
CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Dawne Peterson
I agree with you that some people do have incredible artistic gifts, and
deserve the admiration they receive.
It has been a longstanding concern of mine, though, as someone with a back
ground in fine arts, that so many people are convinced they cannot draw,
paint, sculpt etc. We will never all be Manet or Klee, but most people can
learn realistic drawing (e.g. Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is one
excellent book), which is very satisfying--and would be a good skill if one
wanted to alter a chart (I have changed facial and body proportions more
than once) or draft patterns for embroidery. Colour sense, which some
people again do have naturally, can be developed. Some of the best books
I've seen on the topic are guides for quilters that explain and open up
the colour wheel relationships. Especially when one is stitching something
for personal pleasure, it is nice to have the confidence to say "you know,
I'd like this better if the flowers in the border were blue." and be able
to lay out thread and select a blue that makes a pleasing combination.
The comment about the "mystic" skill was not to say that there are not
people who have it, but that that needn't stop someone else from
interpreting the work differently to please themselves! Duchamp drew a
moustache on the Mona Lisa
Dawne
Bmciowa
>
>Actually it was written by Gelett Burgess. Twenty years later he
>followed it up by writing:
>
Thanks!
Dianne Lewandowski
come up with are simply . . . well . . . ya wouldn't want them in YOUR
house. <big grin>
And it would be awful if, after changing something, it took you 2
hours to frog and/or ruined a perfectly nice piece.
But you can take a small piece and add a blending thread, or beads, or
different stitches. Get your feet wet! If it's awful, who cares? Ya
learned something. Maybe it'll only be admiration for the original,
but ya learned. :-)
Dianne
On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:17:49 -0500, Danny Breidenbach
<dbre...@math.purdue.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Sonya Cirillo wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It's an attitude!!! It comes partially when folks are being taught -
>> when teachers teach in this way: "now color/paint the coat red; next
>> paint the hair dark brown. . ." instead should be: "now color the coat
>> - yes Suzy you can use as many colors as you want - but try to not
>> get too detailed or you won't get finished. . . next paint the hair. . "
>
>I've noticed in pediatricians' offices that the pages from coloring books
>nearly always have the Little Mermaid colored blue, or the horse colored
>pink, and all sorts of other delightful variations. Kids lose that later.
>But I think it's wrong to blame it all on the teachers. For example, if my
>three-year-old decides that the cow should be purple, she gets into quite a
>tizzy if she can't find the purple crayon. It's almost as though she
>thinks "But it's SUPPOSED to be purple." But then, who really knows that
>kids are thinking.
>
>As for using colors that aren't specified on a chart, I always worry that
>I'll be creating a mess. I don't know enough to judge whether a slightly
>darker grey will make the shading all wonky.
>
>--Danny
>
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
of these for my kids (they're for slightly older kids (elementary age),
not really wee ones). Each page has an outline/border to be colored and
text to elicit the "artist" to draw in the center. For example, There
might be the back of people's heads looking at a wall of framed boxes,
and the text would say, "What kind of art are these people looking at?"
and the child would draw the pictures. Or a picture of an empty vase,
and text to prompt the child to draw the flowers in it. A
fill-in-the-blanks approach.
I found them on amazon: it's the anti-coloring book series, by Susan
Striker.
sue
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply wrote:
>
> >From: Sonya Cirillo cir...@localline.com
>
> >.....my personal opinion is that it is good to encourage them to explore
> >with color sometimes too. . . abstract type arts work good at this
> >stage :) ..............
>
> I used to go round and round with my older sis who had no kids. whe would
> get in such a state when I insisted that DD do her best to color inside the
> lines. My belief is that the best use of coloring books is to teach the little
> ones eye hand coordination byt giving them an outline to attempt to stay
> within. Any color is OK at first but as they get older, they need to learn to
> use the proper colors and then go back to using whatever strikes their fancy.
> If DD was drawing her OWN picture then she could do whatever she wanted. Any
> color, any design, draw black outlines and then color outside them. Whatever
> she wanted was hers to have so to speak. If she was trying to draw a cat or
> dog then we would attempt to make the drawing actually look like a cat or dog.
> AS with our needlework (to get this sort of back on topic -- LOL) -- we all
> need to learn to do something the best and most "proper" or even dare I say
> "acceptable" way possible so that when we let our imaginations take flight the
> results are based on solid foundations. CiaoMeow >^;;^<
--
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
The Magazine of Folk and World Music
http://www.dirtylinen.com
Marie
wanted to. She was afraid she wouldn't do it right, I never could get her
to try. Well, as long as she's happy and enjoys her cross stitch that's the
really important thing. Marie (Boboette)
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote in message
news:3d36534f...@news.actcom.net.il...
Caryn
>use - specific color dry-erase, Sharpie and Vis-a-Vis pens. No, the
>kids never, ever touch them. They just hand them over for the
>teacher's use, because supposedly the school won't provide them but
>the teachers "must" have them. I refuse to buy those things any more.
So, you believe that teachers can afford these school supplies on their own?
Trust me, most of them can't! Especially the younger ones, believe me they are
barely scraping by!
And our taxes are paying for a lot more than you seem to think. Schools need
heat and some need a.c. There are janitors to pay, groundskeepers, off duty
police officers to pay as security, lunchroom workers, and of course teachers,
a nurse (in some schools anyway), secretaries and administrators. Schools pay
for textbooks, copy paper & copier supplies, computers and software. All to
try to keep up with what the high and mighty Board of Education and the State
Board of Regents mandate the cirriculums to be for the year.
And you begrudge the teachers a couple markers?
Caryn
Blue Wizard Designs
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Coming soon: Kitty Firefighter and Kitty Santa
Dianne Lewandowski
drummer. No. Not everyone. :-) Each of us is born with our
strengths and weaknesses. We learn to deal with them. We can enhance
all of these things in each of us. But in the end, where you are on
the scale is "individual".
We can dumb it down, too, as a society, family, individual. I'll
grant that. And we are dumbed down a lot. :-)
I agree with most of what you are saying, but you ARE born with innate
abilities. We are not equal. We might like to think we are. But
we're not. I flunked algebra in school. I went back 2 years later
and passed it with straight A's. But it took 2 tutors and 3 books to
get me through. And when the class was over, I couldn't do an algebra
problem to save my life. I truly WANTED to. I stuck with it. I
practised for hours. Let's face it. My synopsis aren't geared for
math. <very big grin>
Dianne
Dianne Lewandowski
gotta draw the line. So many people out there get the wrong idea.
My aunt, in her eighties, took a drawing class. She always said she
could never draw. Well, she really developed and did some wonderful
real-life sketches. But she was a very talented person in many ways -
florist, recital pianist & teacher.
I got to thinking about subject in another way. I have a modest
Victorian home. All white. couldn't think what else to do, so put up
shutters and front door and painted them a soft gray. Porch floor a
stronger gray.
Couple nights ago, thought about painting the trim cranberry. Pretty
wild for me. Been thinking and thinking about this. coming to the
conclusion that, I like the quiet gray. There's a contrast, but it
doesn't shout at you. That's me. So, while a designer might really
come up with something I'd love to look at, it wouldn't be "me". I
have loads of color in the garden. And the house looks sharp when the
snow is deep.
Haven't given up, yet, on the cranberry. But more food for thought.
:-)
Dianne
Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply
>That's like saying all children can learn to play piano, or be a
>drummer. No. Not everyone. :-)
Well -- we disagree -- sort of -- again. Personally I think any child with the
necessary *physical* ability -- as in both hands and arms function -- can be
taught to play the piano and drums and most anthing else. Siad child like will
NOT be a ***pianist*** or a ***drummer*** but will probably be able to play the
instrument just passably well. We can *learn* to do ALMOST anything but that
doesn't me we will be able to do it well.
Doing something really well requires not only the education and training but
the practice, skill, ability, desire and *above all* a natural talent for it.
I remember an old M*A*S*H* episode where Charles had to amputate the right hand
of a young man who was a concert pianist. The young man was absolutely
destroyed when we awoke from surgery and discovered he had only one hand -- he
assumed his career as a concert pianist was over for good.
Charles challenged him with some scores of classical music composed for the
Left Hand ONLY -- NO right hand at all!! The young man was 8still* sure his
years of being a great pianist were over. Charles told hmi that he (charles)
could *play* the piano in a technically perfect manner. But his playing was
just that -- piano playing -- Charles knew he was not a pianist. While he
might *love* the music he knew he didn't have the creative spark necessary to
put his soul into the music. Charles' soul went into his hand when he
operated.
So -- we need to be aware that there is a difference between being able to
play the piano and being a pianist; being able to draw or being an artist,
being able to write and being a novelist...... We can be taught and can learn
(if we want) the *technical* aspects of ANY creative endeavour as long as we
have the physical and mental ability. We can NOT be taught nor can we learn to
be truly talented or gifted in any creative endeavour. It's one of those
things that you either have or you don't. CiaoMeow >^;;^<
.
Carol Sylvester
>
> However, I've noticed that quite often among the post-CCS generation, there's
> a phobia that the ONLY colors that are acceptable are the ones the designer
> called out. I've just had the argument (again) with a friend that she needn't
> pass on a piece she loves just because the chart says 18-count; she can stitch
> it on 14 just fine. She and I regularly go round in circles that she can't
> stitch this or that because it's on linen and she can't do linen, or that
> she'dlove to start this, but the designer said cream and all she has on hand >is antique white.
>
Karen--
I can so totally relate to your neighbor.
I've gotten to the point in my needlework where I have a lot of ideas
in my head, but am AFRAID to put them down on to paper or fabric or
sand on the beach or whatever because I fear they won't look like
what's in my head. There's no one to tell me what DMC color matches
the color my brain is seeing. I think this comes because I've stitched
for so long (since the beginning, really) always following the chart
stitch by stitch, color by color. I feel like Indiana Jones in Holy
Grail at the end when he's debating about whether to step off the
cliff, not knowing about the invisible bridge to take him across.
On Monday, I attended the first class in a three-part "embroidery
collage" class which is being taught by a textile artist and not a
needleworker (yes, I know there's some arbitrary distinction there on
my part, but bear with me here). We had people in the class that had
done NO needlework before. The instructor put fabric and thread on the
table and said "Ok, start." I panicked.
What should I stitch? I don't have a chart to follow!
So I started with some green cordoury and some mustard colored floss,
and made random bullion knots. Then I added more bullion knots, in
olive green. By now I'm getting the hang of it. I added three bullion
knots in coral, done with six strands of floss instead of three. Then
I filled in the empty spaces with a variety of stitches with a nice
dark purple. The instructor came around, looked at my piece and
screamed (yes, screamed!) "This is so cool!" She had never seen
bullion knots before. She also was somewhat surprised with my color
choice, but said they all worked together on the fabric.
I left class that night with ideas tumbling out of my brain, and an
increased confidence level. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to
stitch since then, but at least I feel I've made a first step. My
first effort isn't fantastic, won't win any awards, but because I was
forced to make it, I feel as though I've begun what could be an
interesting journey.
Sorry for the length. My husband's been out of town this week so I
couldn't share this with him--and he wouldn't care much anyway--and I
just got my USENET access back!
Carol Sylvester
carol.s...@sopheon.com
Joan Erickson
>
> Dianne,
> I agree with you that some people do have incredible artistic gifts, and
> Especially when one is stitching something for personal pleasure, it
> is nice to have the confidence to say "you know, I'd like this better
> if the flowers in the border were blue." and be able to lay out thread
> and select a blue that makes a pleasing combination.
>
> The comment about the "mystic" skill was not to say that there are not
> people who have it, but that that needn't stop someone else from
> interpreting the work differently to please themselves!
definitely *don't* agree with the choices of fabrics I've seen her
models stitched on. That blah (to me!), khaki/beige/tan/clay/dirty
color many of her designs are stitched on do absolutely nothing for
me, so I've chosen other fabric colors.
I'm definitely not artistic (although I do have *rare*
occasional bursts), but I'm not gonna believe that a true designer will
say that "this is the *only* color fabric you can stitch this on!"
Well, that's my 2c-worth! :)
--
Joan
See my first-ever design here:
http://www.HeritageShoppe.com/heritage/temp/joan1.jpg
"Stitch when you are young and poor, frame when you are old and rich."
- Elizabeth's (rctn'r) sister's MIL (Barbara Marr)
Joan Erickson
Does your DHusband *know* he's a "she"??? ;-) Sorry, couldn't
resist!
Summer
:^) I didn't *want* to draw in the pictures myself, I just wanted to
color! And while I was coloring in the pictures, I would make up
stories in my head about whatever I was coloring.
Whether a person prefers to follow someone else's chart or make up
their own may have a lot to do with temperment as well as artistic
ability, and then of course there is the situation of falling in love
with a design *exactly* as you see it and not wanting to change a
thing.
For me, trying to draw/paint/design is simply too frustrating to be
anything but a painful chore. What comes out on paper is so rarely
anywhere near satisfactory, compared to the idea in my mind, that it
is simply not enjoyable to do. If I had to design my own patterns for
stitching, I probably wouldn't be stitching at all.
I have recently become much more comfortable with changing small
details in my stitching, such as changing a row of flowers from pink
to purple, but as for designing a whole piece? No thank you - I like
the stitching much better.
--Summer
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carol.s...@sopheon.com (Carol Sylvester) writes:
>I
>just got my USENET access back!
>
Welcome home! And congratulations on taking that first big step. In
retrospect, it wasn't so hard, was it?
Karen C - California
catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr (Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) writes:
>Charles told hmi that he (charles)
>could *play* the piano in a technically perfect manner. But his playing was
>just that -- piano playing -- Charles knew he was not a pianist
Bingo. When we were staying with my aunt, she commented to my mother that she
could always tell who was playing the piano without looking. The every-note
perfect player-piano automaton was me; the "fire in the soul" piano-player
pianist was my cousin. Because I'm a rapid-fire typist, I could outrace him on
the finger exercises every time (we'd start together, in different octaves, and
I'd have reached the end of the ascent and started going back downward long
before he got to the turnaround), but I play the piano with the same depth of
feeling that I play my typewriter, i.e., none. From just two notes, you'd
never know if I was trying to play Beethoven's Fifth or a Chopin nocturne. He
could sit behind me and yell "left pedal", "right pedal", "pound the keys", but
I just didn't FEEL the music the way he did; even with his coaching, I did not
sound like him.
As far as drawing, I absolutely cannot make what's in my head come out my hand.
I suppose it sounds odd for someone who does 36-count-over-1 to say I have no
hand-eye coordination, but that seems to be the problem. I was never very good
about coloring between the lines, either.
But words, ah, I can make my typewriter sing in ways I could never do with the
piano.
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
Welllll if that is what makes her happy ,,,, let it be ...
mirjam
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:29:19 GMT, "Marie" <rpel...@earthlink.net> w
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
Well done , you have passed the threshold ,,, no do more with it
mirjam
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
EVERYBODY can learn everything ,,, of course life has taught us that
it is not always so !!! But when we start with a calss we do not know
who will excell or find the Basic Qualities in him/her self !!!! and
we have to give all the same respectful help ,,,,everyone should be
treated as a potential little Rubinstein !!!! later [ too often too
soon] the less able will stop learning anyway ... but at least what
they will take with them , will be some Good quality basic knowledge
!!!
>rummer. No. Not everyone. :-) Each of us is born with our
>strengths and weaknesses.
wonders to explore and see which this are > and unless we try we do
not know !!!
>all of these things in each of us. But in the end, where you are on
>the scale is "individual".
>grant that. And we are dumbed down a lot. :-)
>I agree with most of what you are saying, but you ARE born with innate
>abilities. We are not equal. We might like to think we are. But
>we're not.
Still we should respect the fact that even if we are not equaly
equipped we have the SAME rights !!!>>
>I flunked algebra in school. I went back 2 years later
>and passed it with straight A's. But it took 2 tutors and 3 books to
>get me through.
What a pity you did not have this help in the first year of school
>practised for hours. Let's face it. My synopsis aren't geared for
>math. <very big grin>
still if you calculate your handwork ,,, you know how to work that
perfectly !!!!
mirjam
Caryn
>receive extortion lists from the schools when my siblings and I were
>in school, and the funding has been increased since that time.
>There's enough money there to buy office supplies.
That's funny. I distinctly remember coming home first day of school with list
of stuff I "needed" to have for the year. Notebooks, bookcovers, pens,
pencils, markers, rulers, etc. While I don't remember if these were 100% for
my own use or whether some of it went into the shared pot (I seem to think some
was shared tho), I'm sure that in 1970's prices it probably was equivalent to
$40 today.
I was thinking of another expense schools are paying today, that they NEVER had
in "our day". Liability insurance!! This cost to schools is totally
outrageous and out of control. Have you noticed how much smaller playgrounds
are at schools now compared to what we had? Schools are pulling anything a kid
could possibly hurt themselves on in order to keep their insurance costs lower.
I buy the school supplies, I provide tissues and paper towels, now and then I
send in sticker sheets for the teachers to use when grading papers. To me
these aren't unreasonable expenses. I spread buying these school supplies over
the entire summer so it's never a big hit to the budget. Better to have the
teachers actually teaching, then spending time trying to scrounge supplies from
the office or other classrooms!
Dianne Lewandowski
glad you shared.
How many wraps for those bullions? <big, big grin> Aint it grand when
you try something, it kinda works, and your little brain begins to
say, "I CAN!"
Dianne
On 18 Jul 2002 12:26:39 -0700, carol.s...@sopheon.com (Carol
Marie
much *kelly* green or spring green here.
This man at work told us a story about the time his young daughter drew a
picture of her teacher, gave it to teacher as a gift. The little girl
colored teachers hair yellow with a wide black stripe running all the way
across the top center of the teachers head. Yes, the girl had colored the
teachers hair *roots* showing! ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Marie (Boboette)
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made for mom, when I was about 8 or 9 years old. I folded up a piece of
colored construction paper, and had drawn and cut out 5 gingerbread men and
pasted them onto the card inside and out. Then I wrote this corny little
poem inside for mom. I found as I grew older, especially in school, my
creativity was stifled. I was expected to *conform* and do exactly as the
other kids were doing - no exception. I was not allowed to be creative. I
used to lay on the floor and color with my kids. Not just crayons, we used
different things, glitter, sequins, shapes, all different things. I found,
as my kids became older, they were able to think up more creative solutions
to problems, are more able to *think* outside the box. P.S. One of my sons
did win a best in district for some of his artwork one year.
Marie (Boboette)
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EGNeedler
>for textbooks
Just had to comment on these few words, now for ancient history. Back in the
1930's in West Virginia during the Great Depression each student had to buy
his/her own books, none were furnished. One could sell them at the end of the
year to make money to buy next years books and others who couldn't afford to
buy new books could buy the used ones more cheaply. We also had to buy our own
supplies such as crayons, etc. Of course, we only had boxes of eight colors.
I remember how excited I was when the boxes of 16 colors appeared.
Eleanor the Elder
Monique Reed
sheet of tracing paper between each pair of facing pages. The
instructions said to trace such and such from one page and this and
that from the other. The combined result was something funny, like a
mouse in a teacup. Does anyone else remember these? The one I
remember best was a Tom & Jerry one...
Monique
whose best Christmas present every year was a box of 64 crayons...
Di Messina
Hello! Glad you got your usenet access back! We missed you!
Di
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Caryn
>schools (we never did) and very seldom get "recess" at all. Our
>schools did have playgrounds, but we didn't have the gyms that
>schools have now.
>
I envy you there! We had PE from 1st grade on in my school district growing
up. My school had a playground, where we got a 15 min recess after lunch. And
we had PE two days a week in the Gym/Auditorium....what today they call the
"multipurpose room" in my kids' schools. I have very vivid memories of the
world's ugliest gym uniform too...onepiece button up the front, bloomer
bottomed blue thing!
Our local standardized tests (In VA) are called the SOL's. They say it stands
for "Standards Of Learning" but most of us know what SOL really stands for
"S*** Outta Luck!"
Jelena
>>They have PE in the elementary
>>schools (we never did) and very seldom get "recess" at all. Our
>>schools did have playgrounds, but we didn't have the gyms that
>>schools have now.
>>
>
>I envy you there! We had PE from 1st grade on in my school district growing
>up. My school had a playground, where we got a 15 min recess after lunch. And
>we had PE two days a week in the Gym/Auditorium....what today they call the
>"multipurpose room" in my kids' schools. I have very vivid memories of the
>world's ugliest gym uniform too...onepiece button up the front, bloomer
>bottomed blue thing!
Oh gads! They had those things in VA, too?!
Yuck.
-- Jelena (who wore that ugly blue thing in the gym in NC schools)
Laurie Riley
elementary school and at least 3 times a week in HS. As a fitness
professional, I am so supportive of the importance of physical education,
especially in light of the epidemic of childhood (and adult) obesity that we
have here in the states. PE is much more fun and individualized now than it
was when we were in school. Younger kids in elementary school still play
lots of sports and games like we did (back in the dark ages <G>). But, iin
junior HS and HS, some schools districts have fitness centers where kids can
try lots of different exercise modalities (like aerobics, treadmills, a
climbing wall, kickboxing, step aerobics, weight machines, swimming etc.) to
see what they like best. It provides them with a good overview of the types
of exercise available and lets them see that they can make a choice that
suits their own personality and interests. There really is some form of
physical fitness for everyone. We just have to be encouraged to find it.
Rant off.......<G>
Best,
Laurie
N. Suburban Chicago, IL
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Caryn
>>bottomed blue thing!
>
>Oh gads! They had those things in VA, too?!
>
>Yuck.
Actually, Long Island! VA is current location. Hopefully this one will be the
one that sticks!
Sewuni
>it in bulk , and resell it to the parents ?
>Our schools have uniforms, it does not stop kids from looking
>different !!
>mirjam
I personally agree, Mirjam, and I suggested this to the Parent Teacher
Association this last year (I was PTA secretary, so I felt I had a better line
to the decisionmakers than I'd had in past years). We found a company that
would put together kits of the supplies that would be needed by each child -
including the paper supplies that I never had to bring when I was a child, such
as baby wipes, tissues and paper toweling - for a preset flat rate, ensuring
uniformity and availability - I spent 4 weeks looking for those dratted yellow
folders - and reducing or eliminating shopping time and hassles for parents.
The teachers loved the idea, the parents (almost in unison) decided they didn't
want to take advantage of the offer. Oh well.
Jennifer
s ew un i a t a o l d o t c o m
WIPs: Precious Moments "Because You Count"; two Memorial Flag squares;
Stephen King "Misery" converted from book art; Mirabilia "Lady of the Flag"
Sewuni
>
>And you begrudge the teachers a couple markers?
>
I know the teachers can't, and I don't begrudge them markers etc., but I do
feel that the BOE should be providing the teachers with the tools that they
need in order to teach our students. In the school district where we lived
last school year, the taxes were already exorbitantly high because the business
base was so small and we residents had to make up the difference. Our SD had
just dropped nearly 5 million into a new junior high, which by the way is
gorgeous but about 50% unused yet, which makes little sense to me (for example,
1.5 million into a brand new gymnasium, yet they use the old gym for classes
AND athletic competitions, leaving the new gym completely untouched. So why
did we build a new gym?) And just try extracting any kind of explanation from
the BOE! Lawyers make more sense to me!
I think that the administrations really do need to take a better look at what
they're spending our tax money and our registration dues and so on. It
shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the parents to supply the teachers with
their tools.
And the PTA (as opposed to a PTO) is actually prohibited by charter from
providing any supply, material, etc. that does not benefit the entire student
body. In other words, we can buy a big-screen TV for the kids to watch on
rainy days when they can't go out for recess, but we can't buy chalk or copy
paper. (seriously, we had this battle during the just ended school year) PTO
doesn't have this restriction, but again, should it be the PTO's
responsibility? The PTO is not the teacher's employer. Would the average
secretary put up with having to buy her own copy paper and so on, as opposed to
having the company buy it?
:::::relinquishing the soap box::::
Sewuni
>list
>of stuff I "needed" to have for the year. Notebooks, bookcovers, pens,
>pencils, markers, rulers, etc. While I don't remember if these were 100% for
>my own use or whether some of it went into the shared pot (I seem to think
>some
>was shared tho), I'm sure that in 1970's prices it probably was equivalent to
>$40 today.
Heather's initial school supplies for the 2001-2002 school year, including the
paper supplies that I know went into the classroom kitty, 78 bucks! This
didn't include over $200 in uniforms or the restocking of paper supplies for
the room and pencils, crayons, etc. for herself near mid-term, or the $85
registration fees that supposedly go to supplying the teachers with their
teaching materials.
Maybe that doesn't sound like a lot, but this hit me just as I'd been fired
from a job and didn't know when I would have another paycheck coming. I could
barely pay the rent at that time, much less school supplies and clothing. And
I know that I wasn't the only parent with financial difficulties.
Caryn
>secretary put up with having to buy her own copy paper and so on, as opposed
>to
>having the company buy it?
>
One of the last secretarial type jobs I had, I had to provide my own pens and
notepads!!!
Worked at a business college which basically got by on welfare moms with Pell
Grants.
Caryn
>would put together kits of the supplies that would be needed by each child -
My dd brought home one of the ads for a deal like this. Price wasn't
unreasonable either, but one minor thing kept me from ordering it.
My dd is left handed! They made no allowances for her needs as far as
scissors. Seems petty on my part, but if I'm buying something for her use, I
want her to be able to actually use it! So I'm buying the supplies on my own,
so that she'll have the proper scissors. And yes, I realize I could have
bought that pack, and supplied just the scissors she needed, but I had all of 3
days to make the decision, and gut reaction was to skip it!
Jelena
>>world's ugliest gym uniform too...onepiece button up the front, bloomer
>>>bottomed blue thing!
>>
>>Oh gads! They had those things in VA, too?!
>>
>>Yuck.
>
>Actually, Long Island! VA is current location. Hopefully this one will be the
>one that sticks!
Wow. I would have thought that New Yorkers would have raised heck
about something that ugly. ;)
-- Jelena
Caryn
>>>>bottomed blue thing!
>>>
>>>Oh gads! They had those things in VA, too?!
>>>
>>>Yuck.
>>
>>Actually, Long Island! VA is current location. Hopefully this one will be
>the
>>one that sticks!
>
>Wow. I would have thought that New Yorkers would have raised heck
>about something that ugly. ;)
>
>-- Jelena
>
I imagine if someone tried to force the adults into such a get-up there would
have been riots, but force a preteen girl into it and nobody lifts an eyebrow!
lol
Dianne Lewandowski
mother's and her parent's time. I was a WWII baby.
Sometime during the late 60's or very early 70's a welfare mother sued
and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. At least that is what I
remember. So now, everything is to be provided. Only, I can't make
heads nor tails of this because everyone here seems to be telling us
they have to buy everything!!!
This all happened after my daughter went through elementary school.
Back packs indeed! I defy any school board to tell me my kid has to
have one. Talk about nonsense.
I know. I'll hear from 50 of you telling me what a great deal a
backpack is. And I'm going to turn right around and tell you that
they aren't necessary, are additional expenses for families already
struggling, hasn't done one thing to make kids "responsible" for their
papers, and is just one more thing "Orwellian."
<big grin>
Dianne
Kelly
>>world's ugliest gym uniform too...onepiece button up the front, bloomer
>>bottomed blue thing!
>
I grew up in Tennessee, and we had those in junior high! UGH!!! LOL!!
WIPs: Lady of the Flag; Purrfect Patterns; SC Nature's Home afghan; Snowfolk
Row
Sampler45
>> >I never hope to see one
>> >But I can tell you any how,
>> >I'd rather see than be one.
>> >
And then there's
I've never seen a purple cow
I probably never will
I'd like to see a purple cow
Cause I'm a purple bull!
Pat in NJ
A pessimist complains about the wind; an optimist hopes it will change; a
realist adjusts the sails.
WIPs
Stoney Creek Afghan - "Nature's Homes"
Eva Rosenstand Flower Vase
Moss Creek's "The Embroderess"
Sonya Cirillo
you 'rent' the books, the lower grades are quite expensive since
they have moved to using tear-away books. The supply list is
moderate with some districts more particular than others.
In Texas - there wasn't any book rentals or fees of sort *BUT*
we were required to furnish what seemed to be *ALL* the school
supplies. I was pretty upset at the end of one school year where
we had been required to supply 3 packages of color paper, 3 packages
of manila paper, 1 of very large manila paper. . . . and the
amount of art work that came home for the year did not match in the
least. This is when I found out that I had not only supplied my
daughters art supplies but probabally half the class!!!! The
attitude was well those who can - help those who can't. . . EXCUSE
ME!!!!!!! The parents of the kids not able to bring in supplies
were driving brand new cars and trucks (as oppose to our 3 cars -
the newest of which is 1988) - the children wore expensive name
brand clothes (not all - but I found the ones that were bringing in
supplies were mostly the poorer ones. What really bummed me out was
the main culprits were the non-Americans - they sure left me with a
very poor impression!) . . . . grrrrrrrrrr - good thing that was the
last year we were there! They would have gotten an ear full from me
otherwise.
Sonya
Judy Bay
Mavia Beaulieu
Sampler45 wrote:
>
> >I've never seen a purple cow
> >> >I never hope to see one
> >> >But I can tell you any how,
> >> >I'd rather see than be one.
> >> >
>
> And then there's
>
> I've never seen a purple cow
> I probably never will
> I'd like to see a purple cow
> Cause I'm a purple bull!
>
> Pat in NJ
>
There seems to be lots of variations of this one!
Ogden Nash wrote:
I've never seen a purple cow
I never hope to see one
But from the milk we're getting now
There certainly must be one.
happy stitchin'
Mavia
KDLark
>> have one. Talk about nonsense.
>>
>> I know. I'll hear from 50 of you telling me what a great deal a
> backpack is
You won't hear it from me. Then again, backpacks are a pain in libraries
because kids can sneak books into them, which is my beef with them!
I don't think backpacks were "mandated," though. When I first saw them, they
were being worn by college students, and the idea just trickled down to the
lower grades. Teachers generally think they're a nuisance, always in the way
and stuffed with notes that never seem to get home, principals hate them
because kids smuggle things in with them.
It's a "fad" sort of thing right now...look at the Lunch Box story. When I was
a kid (60's) lunch boxes were metal with glass lined thermos (thermoses?
thermoii?) and it was VERY uncool to carry one past elementary school. The
older kids carried plain brown paper bags. Now everyone carries small rigid
coolers or padded bags.
I also remember paying for workbooks, which was a giant rip-off because we
hardly ever used them. At least we DID use the Weekly Reader we paid for!
Until I went to middle school, we always had school supplied paper -- yucky
newsprint with blue and/or red lines. The crayons were "Prang" and smelled
weird. All the teachers wrote in yellow chalk on green "blackboards." Now
blackboards are passe -- overhead projectors enable the teacher to watch the
class while writing -- and the (*&(* things eat up costly (about $9.00,
wholesale) blubs. The overhead bulb budget topped out at about $1,200.00 last
year at my last school. At least no one is asking kids to send those in!
Katrina L.
KDLark
>>it in bulk , and resell it to the parents ?
Many schools where I work have a "school store." The school buys standard
stuff (plain pencils, notebook paper, poster board, science project boards) and
sells it to the parents at cost, no mark-up whatsoever. I can recall the same
sort of "store" (run by the "business ed." kids) at one of the middle schools I
attended. The other middle school had vending machines for pencils and paper.
Katrina L.
KDLark
>> >>world's ugliest gym uniform too...onepiece button up the front, bloomer
>> >>bottomed blue thing!
We had them in Florida, as well. Actually, I had two different styles. The
first one was dark blue, with elastic around the legs -- I suppose that kept
any stray boys from looking up them. The second type was pale blue, with no
elastic. Both were hideous and sack-like and despised.
Katrina L.
Dianne Lewandowski
found a vocation that suits you and your personality. However, I
disagree with Illinois law on this subject. Having raised my daughter
there, I feel I have a right to speak out about it. <big grin>
I am against mandatory PE in schools, and I am especially against
mandatory sports.
Playgrounds and occasional non-contact sports are wonderful for
children. Riding bikes, roller skating, jumping rope, hopscotch, hide
& seek, run fox run . . . . all these activities are great and keep
kids fit. We all don't need (nor should we want) to look like the guy
in the BowFlex commercial.
The problem with obesity and laziness has nothing whatsoever to do
with a lack of PE. It has to do with fast food and lazy parenting.
We didn't have any of this "stuff" when I went to school. JH and 9th
grade I was mandated in PE and boy did I hate every minute of it and
did my best to get out of it as often as possible. I was not
inactive, quite thin, and was not lacking for muscle tone.
This current fitness craze is a joke. Just like all this diet soda
stuff while they stuff another donut down their throats.
We've discussed here at RCTN about sports, PE, the damage it can do to
many not only in actual physical harm, but emotional as well.
If you're into this "stuff", well and good. But to shun those of us
who aren't is ridiculous. Sports has become a religion in this
country, particularly in the schools, at the cost of a great many
things that help fine tune minds. Get the darn donut out of your
mouth and walk to the store! Start cooking from scratch instead of
filling your bodies with chemicals that don't belong there. Stay away
from fast food. Garden. Tell your kids to go outside and play, and
make sure they do.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :-)
Dianne
Dianne Lewandowski
"stuff" to read! How did all this "control" get shifted?
Dianne
Pat Porter
essential for all children unless there is some physical reason against it.
Playground games are fine - as long as you`re not one of the poor
unfortunate, unpopular kids - or those who are just not very GOOD at such
activities - who are never invited to join in, or are just bullied and so
just keep out of the way. There are always a few like that. At least with
scheduled games and P.E. they are assured of some beneficial exercise and
being "one of the crowd".
Pat P.
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Chris Braun
haven't thought much about it for years and don't have kids -- but I
do wish I'd been offered more opportunities in school to learn
different sports and types of exercise. Phys Ed consisted mostly of
doing jumping jacks in the gym. Later on -- in college and after -- I
was exposed to a variety of activities that I loved (from serious
biking to ice hockey to rock climbing). It would have been great to
be exposed to more of these when younger.
A particular thing I wish I'd run into much earlier is weight lifting.
I took it up 2 1/2 years ago at age 51, and have become very serious
about it. I train 5 days a week and have begun competing. Perhaps I
wouldn't have liked it when I was young, but when I see all the
wonderful young woman lifters out there today, I sure wish I'd been
given the opportunity. I just learned last year that my high school
had a weight room -- it was off the boys' locker room, so girls
couldn't even go there!
Chris
C Cordell
(MDT+6) From: egne...@aol.com (EGNeedler)
Schools pay
for textbooks
>Just had to comment on these few words, now for ancient history. Back
in the 1930's in West Virginia during the Great Depression each student
had to buy his/her own books, none were furnished. One could sell them
at the end of the year to make money to buy next years books and others
who couldn't afford to buy new books could buy the used ones more
cheaply.
<snip>
Eleanor the Elder
This was true in schools I attended in CO, even up to the mid 50's, when
I graduated from HS.
chris c
The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. -e.e. cummings,
poet (1894-1962)
Karen C - California
writes:
> I would have thought that New Yorkers would have raised heck
>about something that ugly. ;)
We did, but we were only kids, so shut up and do what teacher tells you.
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"Pat Porter" <pat.p...@Attilantlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Much as I disliked most PE and games, I totally agree with Laurie - it`s
> essential for all children unless there is some physical reason against
it.
>
> Playground games are fine - as long as you`re not one of the poor
> unfortunate, unpopular kids - or those who are just not very GOOD at such
> activities - who are never invited to join in, or are just bullied and so
> just keep out of the way. There are always a few like that. At least with
> scheduled games and P.E. they are assured of some beneficial exercise and
> being "one of the crowd".
I don't think scheduled games have anything to do with being "one of the
crowd". It's just as easy to be ignored when a team is being picked or
during a game of field hockey/basketball/insert favourite team sport as it
is in the schoolyard.
I also think that many PE teachers focus on the necessity of "team playing"
to the such an extent that they forget that things like walking, biking and
swimming are just as much exercise as trying to turn oneself into Nadia
Comanec or Michael(a) Jordan. Those activities are also far more within
reach for most of us, for the rest of our lives.
Like Dianne, I think the worship accorded overpaid sports figures is a
serious
problem in our society. The current jock culture relegates those who can't
or won't participate well down the list.
I also think it can be very difficult, as an adult, to maintain one's
physical activity, especially if one's holding down one or more jobs,
commuting for hours every day, trying to look after children and run a
household.
emerald ( a walker)
Dianne Lewandowski
should be a wide variety of things as you outlined. Absolutely.
But I'm against "mandatory". :-)
Part of what I object to is flunking a PE class and having it affect
your grade point. One of my piano students did just that last year.
She hates PE. All they do is sports. This is not a sedentary girl.
She mentioned that she very much wishes at least one semester would be
something akin to dance (a very vigorous activity), or aerobics work
outs.
Good post, Chris.
Dianne
KDLark
>your grade point. One of my piano students did just that last year.
>She hates PE. All they do is sports.
When I was a young librarian, I worked at a middle school, and during a faculty
discussion about the honor roll, I suggested that they take PE grades out of
the formula. The PE teachers were pretty ticked at that suggestion! I stuck
to my guns (yep, I hated PE in schoo, also) but they insisted that "kids who
are good in other classes will do well in PE, because we only judge by effort,"
etc., etc. As an unathletic kid, I started out giving it my best "effort," but
getting picked last for games, making a D on the president's physical fitness
test, and never going beyond the forward and backward roll in gymnastics
assured me a grade below an A, and shut me out of the all A honor roll in
middle school. So much for effort!
When it came down to a faculty vote about PE grades, there were only two people
who voted against using them -- me and one other female teacher.
I also think it was a big mistake to put boys and girls (past grade school)
into the same PE classes, but that's another story.
Katrina L.