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gill

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Has anyone seen/read the book called the Embroiderer's Garden by
Thomasina Beck? If discussion about it doesn't belong on this
newsgroup, does anyone know a more suitable newsgroup, please?

The book/ideas/hints are amazing to my mind. And it suggests
integrated embroidery and needlepoint, which I'm sure others have done
well before this book.

If you are familiar with this book/artist, please let me know if you
know any similar resources. I find this book unbelievably
inspirational. Thanks.

Lula

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Thomasina Beck is one of my favorite British needlework book authors.
The book you mention 'Embroider's Garden' is a beautifully, illusrated
inspirational book for all stitchers, no matter what techniques they
favor and one of my all time favorites.

There is an updated version of this book, I think Threads of Silver and
Gold (?) - I'm laid up at the moment and don't have the book in front of
me so can't tell you the exact title but it's a continuation of the
above book.
I have three of Beck's books - the other is about the history of
embroidery (sorry don't have the exact title) but I'm sure you can find
it doing a search in needlework, bookshops or checking the following
site which features many needlework books.
http://www.WyndhamNeedleworks.com/

If you like Beck's books for inspiration - look for books by Jan Messent
another British author who has written many inspiring needlework books
on many techniques, all wonderfully creative, colorful and enjoyable to
read.
---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

gill wrote:
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> Has anyone seen/read the book called the Embroiderer's Garden by
> Thomasina Beck?

> The book/ideas/hints are amazing to my mind. And it suggests

Spring Pam

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Lula,
You were close and I kept thinking I had heard of this book...tonite it
hit...
book review in our EGA chapter newsletter by a member.

"Gardening with Silk and Gold" is a revision of the 1979 Embroidered
Gardens by Thomasina Beck. There are additional gorgeous plates, clear
photographs, and some inspiring line drawings.
--
Pam Thompson
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ERivera308

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Hi Gill


I agree with Lula, the books are beautiful. Ms. Beck has done four books and
they are all lovely. You may not be able to get her first book because it was
done in 1979. Her other three I believe are still available.

Embroidered Gardens - 1979
The Embroiderer's Garden - 1988
The Embroiderer's Flowers - 1992
The Embroiderer's Story - 1995

Happy Stitching

EdithNYC

Lula

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Thanks Edith and Pam for posting the correct titles of the Thomasina
Beck books. There's so much wonderful info in them and the Embroider's
Garden was my all time favorite needlwork book!

There's definitely something inspiring about gardens and botanicals for
needlework - colors, patterns, whimsies and so on....


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Spring Pam wrote:
>
> Lula,
> You were close and I kept thinking I had heard of this book...tonite it
> hit...
> book review in our EGA chapter newsletter by a member.
>
> "Gardening with Silk and Gold" is a revision of the 1979 Embroidered
> Gardens by Thomasina Beck. There are additional gorgeous plates, clear
> photographs, and some inspiring line drawings.
> --
> Pam Thompson

Martina Weber

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On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:06:20 +0000, gill <gi...@kennett.net> wrote:

>Has anyone seen/read the book called the Embroiderer's Garden by

>Thomasina Beck? If discussion about it doesn't belong on this
>newsgroup, does anyone know a more suitable newsgroup, please?
>

>The book/ideas/hints are amazing to my mind. And it suggests
>integrated embroidery and needlepoint, which I'm sure others have done
>well before this book.
>
>If you are familiar with this book/artist, please let me know if you
>know any similar resources. I find this book unbelievably
>inspirational. Thanks.

There are several more books by this author - "Gardening with gold
and silver", "The Embroiderers Flowers"and "The Embroidererers Story"
come to my mind immediatley - as I have them here in my shelf.
They are indeed an encyclopaedia of knowledge and inspiration - and I
like to browse them here and there, just for fun!

best regards,
Martina
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Design and Needlearts
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PDS-BDS

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I have all of them and I like the Embroider's Garden best absolutely. I
found a good deal of them in second hand shops and maybe even Ruth Kern
could help you find them. She is a delight....barbara

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gill

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Are people (regular people...) producing much original work like is
found in the Beck books? I was blown away from the examples in the
book, and wonder if many or few people are producing work of such
beauty, originality, etc. I'd never seen work quite like is found in
the book.

gill

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I'm sorry but who is Barbara Kern?

gill

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I mean Ruth Kern.

gill

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How exciting to have the second entry I've ever made into a newsgroup
spur so many informed and interesting exchanges!

I stumbled on the Beck book I mentioned and though low on money, HAD
to buy it on the spot for its inspiration and in case it might be hard
to find. (I'm just returning to hand-sewing after years of working
60-hour weeks as a professor which I've sort of left behind--so I
don't know much about availability or anything about needlework
trends.) I'm excited to learn its one of the favorites of many of you
who responded.

Clarification: Was the 79 book Embroidered Gardens revised as
Gardening with Silk and Gold?

So is the book I bought, The Embroiderer's Garden (can't find a date
in the book), a completely different volume/contents from the above?

As to the conversion between needlework and gardening/floral motifs--
their interconnectability (is that a word??) really is fascinating.
That's probably worth discussing. I'll reenter when I've thought of
something worth sharing under the subject "sewing gardens". I can
feel in my bones that there're some important connections there--some
obvious and others perhaps not so.

PDS-BDS

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I saw lots of it in France when I studied there. barbara

PDS-BDS

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gill wrote:
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> I'm sorry but who is Barbara Kern?


Ruth Kern is great and sells used and new needlework books.

PDS-BDS

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ERivera308

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Hi Gill

Since you like Thomasina Beck there is another needleworker that I think you
will also like. Her name is Helen M. Stevens from England. Her books are also
beautiful. They are:

The Timeless Art of Embroidery - 1997
The Embroiderer's Countryside - 1992
The Embroiderer's Country Album - 1994

Her stitching and designs are lovely.

Happy Stitching

EdithNYC

Lula

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Yes, I know there are "regular" people producing "art" needlework
Even though I am a designer by trade, what I do for myself would be
considered needlework art as I use the medium of needlework - the
threads and fabrics as my paints and canvas to "paint" original images.

What's so fascinating about needlework art is how varied and unique the
uses of threads, fabrics, techniques and embellishments can be used to
create surface design - I love the feel and texture of textile art.

Fiberarts is a magazine devoted to the more artistic side of textile
arts found on newsstands that you might be interested in checking out
for more inspiration - there are usually annoucements and articles on
embroidered art pieces featured.

Piecework is another mag featuring historical and often interesting
features on esoteric, historical and popular needlework techniques.


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Lula

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Nature has been a featured inspiration to the arts and expecially
textile arts from the beginning of mankind!

A lot of textile art/surface design is botanical in nature with stylized
patterns of plants and animals featured - sometimes so stylized that at
first glance look more similar to graphic repeat patterns rather than
the original florals that inspired it.

Oriental rug patterns come to mind with their stylized pattern motifs
based on gardens and botanicals as gardens/oasis/water were the ultimate
in a desert existence - the very idea of heaven on earth.

In the study of fine arts programs - there is a very heavy emphasis on
studying the historical aspects of art for the origins and relationships
of ethnic and cultural influences influencing the arts from the
beginning to it's influences on western art that most are familiar with
today.

Yes, the second Beck Gardening with Silk and Gold is a revised and
updated version of the first Beck Embroider's Garden. I have both books
as I found the newer version worth buying for the updated info and new
pictures.


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

PDS-BDS

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The magazine Piecework is truly the only journal ,if you will,allowable
of it's kind for education/design classes. It is truly well done and I
am proud to say it is from my state of Colorado (even though I have
deserted it and live in Virginia at the moment). I have used it as a
reference for many years in design classes and it has really allowed
hand textiles( as we call them in my business) to a new level of
acceptance. We have journals for other home-production
structures--architecture,ceram,wall,plaster, but it is the only one for
interior design including hand textiles... So proud it has made it. I
have the very firt copy signed! barbara

>
> Yes, I know there are "regular" people producing "art" needlework
> Even though I am a designer by trade, what I do for myself would be
> considered needlework art as I use the medium of needlework - the
> threads and fabrics as my paints and canvas to "paint" original images.
>
> What's so fascinating about needlework art is how varied and unique the
> uses of threads, fabrics, techniques and embellishments can be used to
> create surface design - I love the feel and texture of textile art.
>
> Fiberarts is a magazine devoted to the more artistic side of textile
> arts found on newsstands that you might be interested in checking out
> for more inspiration - there are usually annoucements and articles on
> embroidered art pieces featured.
>
> Piecework is another mag featuring historical and often interesting
> features on esoteric, historical and popular needlework techniques.
> ---
> Lula
> http://www.woolydream.com
> Needlework Adventures
>
> gill wrote:
> >

PDS-BDS

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The magazine Piecework is truly the only journal ,if you will,allowable
of it's kind for education/design classes. It is truly well done and I
am proud to say it is from my state of Colorado (even though I have
deserted it and live in Virginia at the moment). I have used it as a
reference for many years in design classes and it has really allowed
hand textiles( as we call them in my business) to a new level of
acceptance. We have journals for other home-production
structures--architecture,ceram,wall,plaster, but it is the only one for
interior design including hand textiles... So proud it has made it. I
have the very first copy signed! barbara

PDS-BDS

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When studying in Paris at the Cluny, almost all medieval work is
inspired by nature as well. I brought back an entire bolt of Cluny
tapestry loomed across the street from it under my arm and have two
upholstered pieces of furniture of it now in my tapestry room. It is
really all based on stylized nature work.

>
> Nature has been a featured inspiration to the arts and expecially
> textile arts from the beginning of mankind!
>
> A lot of textile art/surface design is botanical in nature with stylized
> patterns of plants and animals featured - sometimes so stylized that at
> first glance look more similar to graphic repeat patterns rather than
> the original florals that inspired it.
>
Absolutely! Between my book on elements and the one now on Byzantine
work, I studied African cultue and it still had nature as a theme...
>
> In the study of fine arts programs - there is a very heavy emphasis on
> studying the historical aspects of art for the origins and relationships
> of ethnic and cultural influences influencing the arts from the
> beginning to it's influences on western art that most are familiar with
> today.
I also agree the second book is better for sure! You people have
encouraged me to pull those old books out and will probably get a chance
to look at them this weekend sometime. Haven't pulled them out for
years..........barbara

Elizabeth O'Rourke

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Thomasina Beck's books are available in hard back and soft back versions
from her publisher, David & Charles in the UK and some are also
available from Amazon's site. Email me if any of you need any more info
on David & Charles. We had an interview with Thomasina Beck in issue 4
and Helen Stevens in issue 22. See our website if any of you are
interested in obtaining back issues.
Liz http://www.classicstitches.com

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gill

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Thank you for your response. That's the kind of info I am looking
for. I agree--though my comments may be naive--the combination
somehow of the picture image and the texture of the medium is
fascinating and seems to multiply the possibilities. I am very
interest in this phenomenon.

Do you think Fiberarts is easily available on newstands? Would you
suggest something like Borders mag rack--which seems to be huge?

gill

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I replied to you on the newsgroup, then saw I can do both at once.

I also wanted to mention that I often think of my (outdoor) gardening
and (indoor) flower arranging as "painting with flowers". I think
I've also seen this phrase used in various gardening books I've read.
I'm sure Jekyll would've had to have used it.

gill

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Much obliged.

gill

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Lula wrote:
>
> Nature has been a featured inspiration to the arts and expecially
> textile arts from the beginning of mankind!
>
> A lot of textile art/surface design is botanical in nature with stylized
> patterns of plants and animals featured - sometimes so stylized that at
> first glance look more similar to graphic repeat patterns rather than
> the original florals that inspired it.
>
> Oriental rug patterns come to mind with their stylized pattern motifs
> based on gardens and botanicals as gardens/oasis/water were the ultimate
> in a desert existence - the very idea of heaven on earth.
>
> In the study of fine arts programs - there is a very heavy emphasis on
> studying the historical aspects of art for the origins and relationships
> of ethnic and cultural influences influencing the arts from the
> beginning to it's influences on western art that most are familiar with
> today.
>
> Yes, the second Beck Gardening with Silk and Gold is a revised and
> updated version of the first Beck Embroider's Garden. I have both books
> as I found the newer version worth buying for the updated info and new
> pictures.
> ---
> Lula
> http://www.woolydream.com
> Needlework Adventures
>
> gill wrote:
> >
> >
> > Clarification: Was the 79 book Embroidered Gardens revised as
> > Gardening with Silk and Gold?
> >
> > So is the book I bought, The Embroiderer's Garden (can't find a date
> > in the book), a completely different volume/contents from the above?
> >
> > As to the conversion between needlework and gardening/floral motifs--
> > their interconnectability (is that a word??) really is fascinating.
> > That's probably worth discussing. I'll reenter when I've thought of
> > something worth sharing under the subject "sewing gardens". I can
> > feel in my bones that there're some important connections there--some
> > obvious and others perhaps not so.


fascinating response from you. Thank you

Lula

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Yes Gill, you can gind Fiberarts at the larger book chains like Borders
and Barnes & Noble.
Also, take a look at Ornament magazine - there are often featured
articles on art textiles among other decorative objects to wear - one
past article I found extremely inpiring was that of an artist
embroidering tiny vignettes on fabric with cotton flosses, creating art
brooches from the embroideries.

Then there is an article about a Welsh needlework artist in Mary
Hickmott's Needlework mag - current issue I think - pub in the UK but
available at the book chains.
The article was written by another contributor to RCTN, well known
needlearts/craft books author - Melinda Coss.
I found this article to be the most fascinating in the entire mag, the
only reason I bought a copy.


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Lula

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Even though I don't personally garden, I'm still influenced by flowers
and gardens very much in my work.
Because of this, I've read many garden books and have a small knowledge
of famous gardeners like Ms Jekyll and current well known
gardener'authors such as P Hobhouse and R. Verey. I buy many of their
and garden books by others for inspiration and info.

In the romantic view of gardening and needlework such as in the medieval
days - there is the lady of the manor sitting in her garden embroidering
with busy bees flitting in the background among the the beds of sweet
smelling flowers and herbs.
I've always loved the images of old knot gardens and the intricate
border patterns as well as topiary gardens with their imaginative
shapes.
Looking at pictures of these gardens inspires all sorts of images in my
mind from the realistic to stylized, imgainative flights of fancy into
the whimsical.

When I was in textile college, we spent many hours painting realistic
botanical studies as florals are the basis of most textile and surface
designing not to mention having to study all about natural colors, dyes
and other info in creating these textile designs.
Just about any textile design graduate can do a floral design in their
sleep!
Then when I went to Fine Arts college - it was the same thing all over
again - looking at nature for inspiration.


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Melinda Coss

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And the interview with Thomasina Beck is written with
style, flair and integrity. :-P
Queen (who decided to come back for this)
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