Any ceramic artists here?
JMS
I have being doing comtemporary ceramics for
the last three years as a hobby. This year I have decided to try to sell
some of my work at craft fairs. I was wondering if there is anyone here who
makes a living doing ceramics? I enjoy all aspects of the business, the
cleaning, firing and painting etc. I would like to eventually sell my
finish ware.
I'm not interested in the wholesale business of it or becoming a teacher.
It seems that the money is into selling the greenware or bisque to studios.
I don't want to go into mass production of any of my work. I want to sell
my individual pieces as "one of a kind". I'm wondering if there is any
money to be made in selling the finished product?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jess
hank evans
"JMS" <jessie...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You can do anything if you put your mind to it. :)
You've got to commit, though.
And I wouldn't pretend for a second that it isn't a struggle.
good luck
peace ;)
Hank :)
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arti...@earthlink.net
wrote:
some here may remember me....i used 2 post on clayart a couple
years ago....then i posted some truth on the subject of which u
inquire and my posts were banned.....can u imagine being banned from a
usenet group???
well the truth still is that u can make all the fine ceramic art
u would like but the only way 2 sell them is for less than the
material costs(cost of mud) because u will be competing with people
who r subsidized by the government 2 the tune of $40-$50k a year.
These people r commonly called teachers. They like 2 call theirselves
artists but r usually hacks....their prices r dirt cheap and they will
tell u 2 sell your great thoughtful work 4 nothing 2 "get your name
out there".....They will also stab u n the back at every turn because
any real art shows their hobby crap 2 b the hobby crap that it is
HEHEHEHE......
True value of ceramic art can only b set by lots of time; i
think dieing long ago is required. then if your pieces survive they
can sell for the prices that fine art command...meanwhile the posers
will undercut u right out of business and they like it like
that...afterall they make their money from the government and only
value sales 2 prove that their vapid crap is ART....then when people
see their vapid crap and their fine credentials they r led 2 believe
that the vapid crap is ART and the circle goes round
there is no greater joy than connecting with the positive side if
the universe long enough 2 create a fine work of art...i KNOW
unfortunately joy will not feed u so the way the BUSINESS of art
is set up now true artists r harrased (banned from usenet groups)
until they hide and either stop working or conform and become teachers
so your choices r....1 become a teacher and produce vapid crap or
2 find some1 like my wonderful wife who will support u until u have
been dead long enough 4 your work 2 sell 4 the correct price
MKent41616
>2 find some1 like my wonderful wife who will support u until u have
>been dead long enough 4 your work 2 sell 4 the correct price
>
Damn you need a drink
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Tommy Humphries
after you are dead?
Can't figger out how you got booted from clayart, they seem to be one of the
most open minded groups around. Rejoin and see.
You gotta admit that painted ceramics, and the "artists" who do this work
are at this time a dime a dozen...There was a time when this work was
carried out true artists, who out of necessity, worked for the large
industrial giants. Then 30 years ago or so the equipment and materials for
the "do it at home" crowd dropped to an affordable level and the boom was
on.
The average quality of the "artwork" was low, and the prices were lower.
Serious artists could not compete with these craft fair selling, greenware
buying, and community ceramic shop firing weekend warriors. How was the
ceramic artist, who makes their own originals, makes their own molds, etc.
etc. hope to compete when the public doesn't know the difference, and sees
the huge difference in pricing.
For now the advice is simple, be true to your artwork, the studio potter
movement went through the same problems and came out a winner as the buying
public became educated about pots. Hopefully the same will be true with the
ceramic arts movement, though I doubt the effect will be as noticeable.
<arti...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Tommy Humphries
nothing to do with it...
Tommy Humphries
Nancy Albin
every way,teaching, a NYC dealer,galleries,craft shows, mail order etc
currently and the most successful and comfortable for me is having
show/sales at the houses of friends. I have 4 a year and tats all the
money I need Some potters like to have a kiln opening several times a
year and sell right out of teir studios Good luck with finding what
works for you and do promote yourself thats what sells work good or bad
Nancy Jane
arti...@earthlink.net
It used to be a newsgroup called bit.listserv.clayart....but i just
checked my groups list and did not find it so i guess it was taken off
the usenet and placed where it could be better controlled and censered
by those good open minded folk of which you wrote
I guess this is the only clay related newsgroup now
-artimator
arti...@earthlink.net
arti...@earthlink.net
them to be old enough to be considered antiques.....
all you have to do to get banned from clayart is flame back at
mary molinaro; especially if she happens to be moderating the group
because the regular moderator is out of town.....she is a bitch...It
all started with a post I wrote after a brownosing asshole laid hands
on 12 prototype design tumblers I made and he tossed them in a fit of
jealous rage...I asked, "How does this happen?" I recieved 60 flame
posts in return attacking every part of my life, none of which had
anything to do with my original premise...I had jerks who take $50000
dollars a year from the public coffers accusing me of being a welfare
fraud because I took advantage of the kilns at the local junior
college instead of building my own in my suburban backyard. Wouln't
my neighbors love that 10 ft flame licking the sky from the wood kiln
stack?...... Soooo I got a sixpack of red stripe beer and answered
every single one of them; starting with mary "the bitch" molinaro, as
she was both the most ridiculous and the most venomous. She could not
handle any truth so she canceled every reply I had sent and had me
banned from clayart.
as for painted ceramics they are not likely to be confused with
the real thing....I was whining about the posers in the ceramics
"establishment" who get a nice salary paid for with my taxes, teach
full time, and sell their work for less than material costs. Most of
them would never sell a damn thing if they put a real price on their
crap and were not allowed to wear their credentials like a crown. In
a blind test; my work and theirs, mine wins everytime. My problem is
that they can slap a ridiulously low price on it and tell people "I
did a workshop at Alfred, and I have a degree from the Institute
(which daddy paid for), and I'm a well known giver of workshops and I
have been TEACHING ceramics for years so I must know everything about
ceramics, and only I know what ART is" All that BS impresses
galleries so they sell a couple pieces of their miniscule yearly
output so they can say "My stuff sells at the uptown gallery so I must
be hot shit" Well they are usually cold turds and their vapid crap has
no appeal to or relationship with humanity. Personally I wouldn't use
most of the stuff I see in galleries for a water saving toilet tank
filler...It has alot of parallels with the old Emperors new clothes
story.
Meanwhile if a real artist rears his ugly head he is summerally
run out of town on a rail because as I said before real meaningful
work shows their vapid crap to be vapid crap....Ask your average human
being if he can see the Emperor's wang hanging and you will find that
the public is not nearly as gullible or stupid as the "ART CLICKE"
would like to believe....The trouble is they have an airtight lock and
hold on the art market, which leaves me with no choice but to put the
art that I don't give to friends or place in my own home in one of my
now 3 storage units....I guarantee you though that my stuff will not
end up in the dumpster like so much of the work of winners of the Most
Vapid Contests...I've seen people cry real tears over a little
accidental breakage
BTW I was not trying to discourage the original poster; I was
merely pointing out the state of the art biz in the USA today, which
is that an artist with some true vision must have some kind of
personal support in order to develope that vision....or they can get a
job teaching and join the arsty fartsy (arty farty?) art club at which
point they must abandon their vision and conform to the club line
which is if you can tell what the hell a piece is than it isn't
convoluted enough and has too much relationship with real
value.....for a good breakdown of real value check one of my last
posts on clayart. It was proclaimed to be the most consise and
truthful that one of the regular clay arters had ever seen...It might
have been Don Jones but I don't remember...
I am very happy creating works of fine art fulltime and not
worrying about selling them. I LOVE being possibly the only fulltime
fine artist left in America. I love letting my work speak for itself
and not having to keep a current list of asses kissed. I love my
daughter coming home from school, after being fauned over all day
after showing one of my pieces in conjunction with a project, and
telling me she truly has a cultural advantage in life over her peers.
It seems that real art is a seldom seen commodity in today's world.
I am saddened to see the current state of affairs in the art biz
but I am hardly broken by it, and I heartily encourage anyone with an
interest in the field to go for it. I also admonish any such person
that they must listen to their own heart and not the posers who will
definately tell them they are all wrong.
sincerly,
-artimator
arti...@earthlink.net
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:55:41 -0600, "Tommy Humphries"
<th...@shreve.net> wrote
GURUSHAKTI
search engine and type in clayart archives and a few different ones will show
up.
One of the archives, archives messages as per the subject, another one,
archives them by the dates and is current -- within 24 hours of the messages
being posted.
By the way, Mel Jacobsen is now running the list. Joe and Mary Molinara have
worked long and hard for the list and are now putting their time and energy
into other avenues.
Regards,
June
Steve Mills
Why don't you put some pictures of your work up on a website, then we
can look and admire and you would reach a much wider audience.
I assume from your address which you don't actually have a website at
the moment, but it's worthwhile thing to do, and it does bring you in
front of a wider group of potential buyers.
This is after all a world wide newsgroup.
--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK
RonQ
MKent41616 <mkent...@aol.comdipyskpy> wrote in message
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The answer of course is a true Constitutional Republic. "If you can keep
it."
A Constitutional Republic protects the lamb from the lynch mob that is
democracy. 51/49 ? No thanks, not on anything substantive.
--
RonQ
"I get these messages from other planets.
I'm apparently some kind of agent from another planet,
but I haven't got my orders clearly decoded yet."
William S. Burroughs