Enamel Paints question
Gemini
pots. I thought about using enamel paints for their gloss, but I don't
know what well it would stand up to water or if it would chip away easily.
Does anyone have any suggestions or hint about this? Would I have to use
an acrylic sealer on top to be on the safe side? Thank you in advance!
:o)
Peace! Gemini in Ontario, Canada
http://members.xoom.com/planetgemini/
Graham Baker
Glass paint instead (MARABU DECOGLASS). These paints are fired onto the
tile, 100c in a normal oven, for about 1/2 hr.
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Annemarie
pottery. Often buying cheap terracotta pots and then selling them for lots
more. Some are food vessel types of shapes etc.
I consider this "cheating" if you will, and also a serious health risk. The
food vessel shaped bowls etc carry a small "for decorative purposes only"
sticker on the bottom, but I do not concider that enough.
Tiles are somewhat different, at least they do not present a health hazard,
but, I still consider it cheating if it is not fired on. Hope I haven't
offended. The glass paints suggestion sounds good if you haven't access to
a kiln.
Annemarie
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> There are a lot of people here in NZ who are using enamel paints to
decorate
> pottery. Often buying cheap terracotta pots and then selling them for
lots
> more. Some are food vessel types of shapes etc.
> I consider this "cheating" if you will, and also a serious health risk.
The
> food vessel shaped bowls etc carry a small "for decorative purposes only"
> sticker on the bottom, but I do not concider that enough.
> Tiles are somewhat different, at least they do not present a health
hazard,
> but, I still consider it cheating if it is not fired on. Hope I haven't
> offended. The glass paints suggestion sounds good if you haven't access
to
> a kiln.
> Annemarie
since my name and post was left on your response, I thought I would answer.
:o)
Although I would seriously love to learn to make my own pottery, at present
I haven't found anyone near enough to teach me (aside from the fact that I
don't have enough time away from the house due to caring for my mom). So I
have no choice for now, but to buy the terracotta pots and hopefully the
ceramic tiles to paint on. I would never consider selling anything that
could pose health problems, and I wouldn't be selling the "pots" or
"tiles", I'd be selling my artwork on the items for decoration. So I hope
that I haven't offended anyone by wanting to do this... it isn't my intent
to cheat anyone.
I haven't dabbled in painting much, although I do sketch. At present the
only thing I painted was a tiny terracotta flowerpot just to see how it
would look (using a waterbase paint and then an acrylic sealer on top). My
mom was impressed (of course she has always been my best critic in my
writing and art *grin*) and thought it looked like an Aztec painted pot. I
personally don't think it looks that great, but it *is* my first attempt at
painting a flowerpot.
Annemarie
Yes I was responding to you and understand how much fun you could have, let
me explain further.
We potters spend many hours and days and weeks attempting to make glazes and
using different methods of underglazes etc with a glaze over the top. The
making of the vessel is only half the job, it has to be bisque fired and
then glaze fired. The underglazes are very different to use than paints,
they do not flow like paints, and until they are fired you are not sure how
they are going to look. When you achieve a process that is pleasing it is
very exciting.
Then you see someone who has just used commercial paint on a bought pot, and
some shops sell these for high prices, and I'm sure you will understand that
it rankles a bit. The buyers certainly may not be aware that it is not
durable or food safe, or maybe they are, but it still rankles.
So sorry if I offended, but I hope you understand where I am coming from as
a potter.
Annemarie
Graham Baker
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I too am in NZ. I also make my own pots ect to sell. But the Warehouse is
just not worth competing against.
I agree with you that painted pottery for food is a big no, for health
reasons. Although I have played with the idea, and design concept, then
trown the pot away broken when finnished with.
Yours in Potting
Graham
Myra Best Christeck
this list is free to have an opinion and this one is mine.
It seems to me that the real point is that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder. If someone finds Gemini's pots pleasing, they will buy them.
If that someone finds a handbuilt vase they like, he/she will buy that.
In my humble opinion, this string is not about competition for selling
our pieces. However, it may well be about fearing our own work is not
good enough to stand by itself.
Myra Ann
Monika Schleidt wrote:
>
>
> Biku wrote:
>
>> I think you are being a bit hard on her.
>> I agree about the safety concerns you have but
>> that is all.
>> A craft is a craft. Whether she just paints finished pots
>> or starts form the clay. It is still her craft. As long as
>> she doesn't try to pass it off as 100% her pottery then
>> I don't see the difference.
>> Most of my shows are in Small galleries. But I do one show
>> at a housing fair as a favour to a friend who owns the
>> company who hosts the fair. every year there is my works as
>> well as a stall selling stuff from Arita (a famous pottery place
>> in Japan). The pottery from there however is not their best.
>> It is all made using casts much of it by machine. The pictures
>> although very nice are also made by machine or by stickers.
>> This stuff sells on average 75% cheaper than my work. Am I
>> happy about this .... no. I am forever hearing " $100. But that vase
>>
>> over there is only $30......"
>> The point is people know the difference between true pottery and
>> painted pots as well as between something made by hand or
>> made by a machine. At $100 dollars I have no trouble selling my
>> larger pots. People who buy the lesser quality goods, I feel
>> wouldn't
>> appreciate the time and effort that goes into what I make and
>> therefore I prefer they don't buy my work.
>> Maybe I'm an idealist, but that is the way I feel.
>> Biku
>
> Biku,
> I think the point is that SOME people know the difference, but most
> don't. Those SOME are the ones who buy your pots for $100, but I see
> Annemarie's point, we all spend days and weeks developing glazes only
> to find that the next stand sells something bought at the hardware
> store and painted with acrylic paint and calls it pottery. I am
> fortunate, the Austrian Annual Potters Market has a very strict jury,
> where acrylic painted things wouldn't have a chance to get in. Nice if
> your clientel knows the difference, but what do the rest of us do to
> compete with acrylic paint and machine made pots?
> take care, Monika,
> Vienna, Austria
>
>>
>> Annemarie wrote in message
Biku
Annemarie wrote in message
Roger
you can maybe afford a small kiln to fire things like enamels in- if not now
maybe later- I never heard that Clarice Cliff was a potter but she earned a
fair deal of respect and no-one ever accused her of cheating -glaze is only
another way of decorating a pot- vessel-whatever the two are separate
skills- enjoy yours-blow what anyone else thinks.
julia
check the link below to see my 'unglazed' approach to stoneware
www.mudandfire.co.uk
Roger
He won the Turner prize with half a cow (or sheep, i cant quite be bothered
to remember) pickled in formaldahyde.
When asked 'is this art' he replied' its in an art gallery isnt it'
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> I really don't want to fan the fire on this subject, but everyone on
> this list is free to have an opinion and this one is mine.
>
> It seems to me that the real point is that beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder. If someone finds Gemini's pots pleasing, they will buy them.
> If that someone finds a handbuilt vase they like, he/she will buy that.
> In my humble opinion, this string is not about competition for selling
> our pieces. However, it may well be about fearing our own work is not
> good enough to stand by itself.
>
> Myra Ann
>
> Monika Schleidt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Biku wrote:
> >
> > Biku,
> > I think the point is that SOME people know the difference, but most
> > don't. Those SOME are the ones who buy your pots for $100, but I see
> > Annemarie's point, we all spend days and weeks developing glazes only
> > to find that the next stand sells something bought at the hardware
> > store and painted with acrylic paint and calls it pottery. I am
> > fortunate, the Austrian Annual Potters Market has a very strict jury,
> > where acrylic painted things wouldn't have a chance to get in. Nice if
> > your clientel knows the difference, but what do the rest of us do to
> > compete with acrylic paint and machine made pots?
> > take care, Monika,
> > Vienna, Austria
> >
> >>
Graham Baker
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>
>He won the Turner prize with half a cow (or sheep, i cant quite be bothered
>to remember) pickled in formaldahyde.
We use this argument all the time in college on what is art. Best I've ever
heard is art is in the eye of the beholder. To me his work isn't art it has no
thught behind it that I've ever heard tell of.
And to me its the idea inherent in the art work that means more than looking
pretty. Though being pretty also helps
Biku
goatnose2
Annemarie
Roger
I think it is important to encourage people to do what they can according to
their means
who knows what they may achieve later. A friend of ours has just achieved an
Honours degree in fine art at the
age of 73 and is selling through galleries. What would you do without a
kiln?
Not give up I'm sure!! You'd find some way to practice your art .
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