I'm mad (eye shadow)
Rose Howard
I've only been playing with PC for a couple of months, but I used eye
shadows from the beginning. Anyway one thing I found out was that after
you put on the eye shadow and you decide the color isn't as dark as you
would like for it to be, wait a few minutes until the surface of the clay
has cooled some and apply another coat. The little spongy eye shadow
applicators also will smooth out some imperfections as you go. I recently
did a Palomino horse using eye shadow and put several coats on it by
letting it cool between each layer. Also put a German Shepherd (black and
tan) in the scene and used the same method on him.
I perfer the colors and texture of eye shadows to acrylics. Acrylic paint
shines to much for me. But that's just me.
I recently got a box of artist pastels and am looking forwards to using
them, but I mainly do nature scenes and the eye shadows give me the nice
muted colors I like.
Sue Heaser
In article <01bd23b1$9860b4a0$324682d0@default>, Rose Howard
<ro...@fgi.net> writes
>I recently got a box of artist pastels and am looking forwards to using
>them, but I mainly do nature scenes and the eye shadows give me the nice
>muted colors I like.
<Grin> Why do you think that artist's pastels do not? They come in an
enormous range of colours - 336 in the Grumbacher range alone - about 50
different blues and greys for example in every shade, tint or tone you
can imagine. Pastel colours are considered some of the most permanent
colours available to artists.
One point that should be raised: Eye shadows are not necessarily created
from permanent pigments. They are designed to be washed off after a day,
after all. Some can discolour badly in light after a year or two. As I
said before, they may contain perfumes and moisturisers that can react
with polyclay.
There are pastel paintings in art museums that are still brilliant after
400 years. It depends how much you want your work to last.
Sue
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Sue Heaser
Judi Maddigan
I, too, have had better luck with artist's pastels rather than make-up.
One of the blushes I once tried on an angel's cheeks turned brown in the
oven.
With a good, basic set of artist's pastels, you can blend just about any
color you need. I rub the pastels on heavy paper to mix the exact shade,
then apply the powder to the clay using a soft brush. Adding white
pastel to raised areas of colored clay gives nice highlights, too.
— Judi Maddigan
http://members.aol.com/pushmolds/index.html
ro...@fgi.net
In article <IC32zRAb...@heaser.demon.co.uk>,
Sue Heaser <s...@heaser.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> In article <01bd23b1$9860b4a0$324682d0@default>, Rose Howard
> <ro...@fgi.net> writes
> >I recently got a box of artist pastels and am looking forwards to using
> >them, but I mainly do nature scenes and the eye shadows give me the nice
> >muted colors I like.
>
> enormous range of colours - 336 in the Grumbacher range alone - about 50
> different blues and greys for example in every shade, tint or tone you
> colours available to artists.
>
> One point that should be raised: Eye shadows are not necessarily created
> from permanent pigments. They are designed to be washed off after a day,
> after all. Some can discolour badly in light after a year or two. As I
> said before, they may contain perfumes and moisturisers that can react
> with polyclay.
>
> There are pastel paintings in art museums that are still brilliant after
> 400 years. It depends how much you want your work to last.
>
> Sue
> --
> Sue Heaser
Point well taken. I will definitely learn to use the pastels. I don't
play with the clay for hours to have it go weird in a few months/years.
Thank you for the warning and advice. Maybe there are just to many
colors to choose from in the box of 24 (grin) I have. With a box of 336
I'd be like a kid in a candy store. But oh all the colors..............!
Rose Howard
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MJBURK
>One point that should be raised: Eye shadows are not necessarily created from
permanent pigments. They are designed to be washed off after a day, after all.
Some can discolour badly in light after a year or two. As I
said before, they may contain perfumes and moisturisers that can react with
polyclay.
There are pastel paintings in art museums that are still brilliant after 400
years. It depends how much you want your work to last.
Sue <<<<
I made are now yellowing.
ERRRRR Makes me fell stupid, cause I have given them to co-workers every
year for the past 3 years.
So I will no longer be using polyuerothene(? spelling)
Too much time and work to have them get ruined by using materials that conflict
with the clay.
Mj aka; Nuts4clay
Billings Montana
~~Don't worry
be Happy~~
violette laporte
Hi,
Pastels can also be used to color clay. With transparent/translucent
clay, I get interesting results. A little amount of powder goes a long
way.
Violette
T.J. Howell
>I, too, have had better luck with artist's pastels rather than make-up.
>One of the blushes I once tried on an angel's cheeks turned brown in the
>oven.
>
As I have said, I only use it because some friends give it to me and I
don't use much. For my more important pieces I DO use the pastels. And
even there, I don't use many. When I do use it, it's because I want a
really subtle shading that I can't get with acrylic paints.
But I will take this make up issue under advisement. I may give up
using it all together now that I am feeling like my pieces are getting
better.
Thanks...
Tommie
Everyone runs for hokey pokey
It's the natural thing to do! --Richard Thompson
http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tjturner
Creagers
Could not agree more with you Judi...Soft Artist's pastel are the best for
shading polymer clay. The color seems truer, longer lasting...and is finer so
it seems to adhere to the clay better. I have always used pastel for coloring
my Dolls heads...but truthfully I started because I was originally a Pastel
Portrait artist...and I had a ton of them laying around...so I gave it a
shot...and loved it...I actually started first with using them on my Early
Early Soft Sculptures...then into the polymer.
Whether you apply with brushes or your finger...Pastels seem to blend so well
(chalk Pastels...not the Oil Pastels) ...then I lightly spray with several
light misty coats of Krylon Matte Spray #1311 at a distance of about
16"-20"...because I have found that if I spray to close the so called Matte
Spray dries shiny and to thick...
Jodi
irene
If the pastels are applied before baking, will they rub off after baking if
you don't use a glaze? And do any glazes adversly affect pastels? Do
brush-on glazes smear the colors?
Another new thing for me to try.....
Irene
Sue Heaser
In article <01bd251b$5526e900$8582cdcf@default>, irene
<fat...@mindspring.com> writes
>If the pastels are applied before baking, will they rub off after baking if
>you don't use a glaze?
In my experience, only on heavily used jewellery - they don't rub off
things that are not handled much like miniatures. But if you want them
to be really permanent, I think it wise to glaze for protection - using
a matte glaze if you don't want a shine.
> And do any glazes adversly affect pastels?
I have never found any that do - if the glaze is okay for polyclay, it
is fine for pastels too which are extremely inert substances - far more
tolerant than polyclay!
>Do
>brush-on glazes smear the colors?
Baking seems to set them into the surface, so I have not found that they
smear when glazed after baking. I use pastels for jewellery, dolls,
miniatures, ornaments etc etc etc. Wonderful effects - Enjoy them!
Sue
--
Sue Heaser
MJBURK
>Early
>Early Soft Sculptures...then into the polymer.
Jodi.... what kind of medium did you use for your soft scult. ? Are you
referring to... like sculpting a bust ? (now no wise cracks ;-) from any of you
in the background) if thats whatyou mean, what kind of clay did you use.
A long time ago on 'Days of Our Live's' I believe that was the name of the
soap. Racheal Cory scultped and I always wanted to try that. But around
here I can't find that kind of clay. Just kids type modeling clay, or air dry
or of coarse polymer. Maybe it isn't what I thought. I always thought you
could leave it out and it wouldn't get hard or dry out, yet it was soft enough
to move around with fingers.
Mj
Mayor's Office
I know that all the books recommend adding "blush" to cheeks before baking.
I use Fimo and Sculpy III and I blush the cheeks AFTER baking, using real
blush and an eye shadow brush. I have never had any problem. In fact, you
can't get the blush off. It's there to stay. When applied to a smooth,
baked surface, the results is much more subtle and realistic looking. Try
it once and be your own judge.
Marilyn
Creagers
HI MJ...
We started our Doll Making Career by doing Soft Sculptures which were made from
Nylon stockings (needle sculpted), canvas duck cloth bodies, wool clothing, and
of course..Richard's accessories! We had a blast and learned so much that we
in time put to use in our Polymer Sculpted Dolls that we do now. They stood
approx. 27" high. Any Dolls that you either needle sculpt (needle and thread)
, or manipulate fabric in some way are usually called 'Soft Sculpture'. It can
be Nylon Stockings, tricot, polyester of some sort...just something that you
can stretch and gather up face shapes in the fabric.
As far as leaving out...polymer can be left for months (even years in some
cases...if covered) and working later. Not air dry clay..although a wonderful
medium...it dries to darn fast for me!! I do like to use the air dry to press
into my sculpted molds that I make from sculpey...to make my lapel pins as it
dries nice and light!
Hope I answered this right...brain is not working yet this am....
Jodi
MJBURK
>As far as leaving out...polymer can be left for months (even years in some
>cases...if covered) and working later.
I know that about polymer :-) I thought because you said soft scultp. you
meant the kind of sculpting on the soap opera. I was hoping you could tell
me what kind of clay that is you need. Maybe it IS the kind that dries out and
they just didn't put that across in the soap.
Please excuse any speeling, I'm sitting here trying to get my mind off my hip,
it's out of place and I darn neer cant take it. I've gone back and redone
other words but dont feel like continuing.
Does anyone else know what type of clay is used for scultping a bust of full
body. Maybe there isnt such a thing. It eas all show just for soap.
JPatter3
When using pastels, I have found that some colors change when baked. Have you
either Jodi or Sue found that?? I have the most problems with reds. So now I
test bake each color before I will use it.
Jenny P.
Kraftier
I think that was just earth clay sculpting MJ! I think it WILL air dry... but I
believe they keep the piece wrapped with wet/damp cloth until they're actually
done with it... that way they can keep working on it for an extended period of
time.
~~~waving~~~ Joanie :o}
http://members.aol.com/kraftey/index.html
Creagers
Hi Jenny...
Good to see ya! Hmmmm...change colors! They might be oxidizing during the
baking process... to tell you the truth I have not had the problem as I
always color my Doll heads AFTER the baking process...just a habit I got into.
I felt I could control my coloring better working on a hard baked
surface...leaves more room for removal of color when I make a mistake. If the
pastel color is worked well into the sculpey or fimo with tight dense brushes
(not just lightly feathered on) ..and then sprayed with a few light dustings of
fixitive...the color stays on forever with no fading... I have my first doll
that I did this method with and his cheeks are just as rosey as the day they
were painted...
Jodi
MJBURK
>I think that was just earth clay sculpting MJ! I think it WILL air dry...
Thanks Joanie :-)
Sue Heaser
In article <19980120233...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, JPatter3
<jpat...@aol.com> writes
>When using pastels, I have found that some colors change when baked. Have you
>either Jodi or Sue found that?? I have the most problems with reds. So now I
>test bake each color before I will use it.
>
>Jenny P.
Jenny, what was the brand? I have never had this happen with pastels -
red acrylic paint and blusher, yes... but pastels, no. I use Rembrandt
and Rowney brands.
Sue
--
Sue Heaser
ANT KAR
MJ,
Hi there! I hope your hip is feeling better. My mom broke hers a couple years
ago, and was in a lot of pain for quite some time.
As far as the sculpting on the soap goes, yes, usually it is air drying clay
that is kept moist by wetting it with a spray bottle of water from time to
time. It is kept workable from session to session by covering it with a damp
cloth and than a large plastic bag like a garbage bag or something, that you
can tie closed at the base. When finished, you can either make a mold of it or
you can hollow it out, reattach all the parts, and then fire it if you want,
depending on what type of clay you have used(earthenware, stoneware, etc.).
You can also build a figure using oil-based clay that won't dry out in air, but
then you definately need to make a mold of it and cast it in plaster or
something later on.
I hope that this gives you a better idea of how to go about the sculpting. If
you need more info, I can look up the name of a good reference book that might
be in your library.
Happy sculpting!
Karen
Karen where the snow has finally arrived in western NY
ANT KAR
>with tight dense brushes
>(not just lightly feathered on) ..and then sprayed with a few light dustings
>of
>fixitive...the color stays on forever with no fading...
Hi Jodi,
What do you use for fixative?
Thanks,
Creagers
>
>Hi Jodi,
>What do you use for fixative?
>Thanks,
>Karen
Hi Karen...
I use Krylon Matte Spray #1311
Jodi
JPatter3
In article <aUjyGDAB...@heaser.demon.co.uk>, Sue Heaser
<s...@heaser.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Jenny, what was the brand? I have never had this happen with pastels -
red
>acrylic paint and blusher, yes... but pastels, no. I use Rembrandt
and Rowney
>brands.
Hi Sue, lets see here, the one box I have had since high school is Duro brand.
The other I bought about 4 years ago is SMi brand. I was using these colors to
shade some flowers I was sculpting. Most colors were fine, but the reds from
both brands turned to peach after I baked them. I have tried Jodi's trick to
put the color on after baking on a couple of faces I have done and really like
it. By the way Jodi's video is really great, I can't wait for the next one.
Jenny P.
Sue Heaser
In article <19980122183...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, JPatter3
<jpat...@aol.com> writes
>
>Hi Sue, lets see here, the one box I have had since high school is Duro brand.
>The other I bought about 4 years ago is SMi brand.
Oh dear - never heard of either - they must be US brands? Are they well
known and used by artists - rather than school or student quality which
are more likely to have less sound pigments... <Grin> I hope you don't
think I'm being rude about your pastels, Jenny! :*)
Sigh - isn't polyclay a perilous journey of potential pitfalls? Oh well,
a fun, perilous journey...
And we can't get *any* US videos here in UK - and I would *love* to see
Jodi's - I've heard such wonderful things about them. UK videos are in a
different format - grumble grumble... so they would have to be converted
which is very expensive. We may get organised in the British PC Guild to
do just that in time.
Sue
--
Sue Heaser
ANT KAR
Thanks Jodi!!
DABlack
>and I blush the cheeks AFTER baking, using real blush and an
stay. . .
Were you using a brush, or an eyeshadow foamy-type wand? I've not been able to
successfully use a *soft brush* to transfer blush to baked cheeks, but the wand
might be the secret since it probably would embed the color into the clay.
Does the clay need to be warm when you do this?
Diane B.
Creagers
>
>And we can't get *any* US videos here in UK - and I would *love* to see
>Jodi's - I've heard such wonderful things about them. UK videos are in a
>different format - grumble grumble... so they would have to be converted
>which is very expensive. We may get organised in the British PC Guild to
>do just that in time.
>
>Sue
>-
Hi Sue...
We anticipated this possible problem of different Video Formats when we
created our Sculpting Video..and so we had a small number of them created in
the PAL format which is what they use in England and many other countries
around the world. This has been allowing us to sell to Australia, France,
England and parts of Canada. We asked around and indeed found out that it was
horribly expensive for people to convert our tapes...so we thought we would cut
to the chase and save everyone the money and the trouble. If you want info on
getting the PAL Video...please drop me an e-mail...and we will be happy to get
it right out to you.
Best,
Jodi and Richard
Byroni10
>isn't polyclay a perilous journey of potential pitfalls?
Now try saying that 5 times quickly---great tonlgue twister
<g>
Roni
"Be yourself! Who else is better qualified?"