>>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

>>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

>>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

>>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
>>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
>>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

>>>>>cheers
>>>>>T.Alan

>>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
>>>>be shooting FMJs

>>>>Gunner

>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
>>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
>>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

>>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
>>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

>>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
>>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets at
>>>about the speed of sound is well known.

>>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
>>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
>>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it expands at
>>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As to
>>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
>>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
>>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain 9mm
>>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a good
>>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I like
>>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs, which
>>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as Winchester
>>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the 147
>>grain ones too.

>>Hawke

> And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll probably stick
> with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for 35
> years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often, I just
> want the option.

>>>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

>>>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

>>>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

>>>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
>>>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
>>>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>T.Alan

>>>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
>>>>>be shooting FMJs

>>>>>Gunner

>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
>>>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
>>>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

>>>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
>>>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

>>>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
>>>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets at
>>>>about the speed of sound is well known.

>>>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
>>>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
>>>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it expands at
>>>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As to
>>>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
>>>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
>>>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain 9mm
>>>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a good
>>>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I like
>>>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs, which
>>>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as Winchester
>>>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the 147
>>>grain ones too.

>>>Hawke

>> And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll probably
>> stick with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for
>> 35 years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often, I
>> just want the option.

> I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months ago that
> said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to hollow points for
> the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through and through shootings
> in which other officers and by-standers were getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes
> sense to me.  When I was on the force in Richmond, Va. we had to stand
> inspection with ball but as soon as we got in the car we switched to Super-vel
> hollow points.

> Jim

>> And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll probably stick
>> with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for 35
>> years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often, I just
>> want the option.

>I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months
>ago that said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to
>hollow points for the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through
>and through shootings in which other officers and by-standers were
>getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes sense to me.  When I was on the force
>in Richmond, Va. we had to stand inspection with ball but as soon as we
>got in the car we switched to Super-vel hollow points.

>Jim

> >>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

> >>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

> >>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

> >>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
> >>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
> >>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

> >>>>>cheers
> >>>>>T.Alan

> >>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
> >>>>be shooting FMJs

> >>>>Gunner

> >>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
> >>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
> >>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
> >>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

> >>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
> >>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

> >>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
> >>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets
at
> >>>about the speed of sound is well known.

> >>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
> >>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
> >>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it
expands at
> >>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As
to
> >>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
> >>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
> >>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain
9mm
> >>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a
good
> >>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I
like
> >>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs,
which
> >>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as
Winchester
> >>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the
147
> >>grain ones too.

> >>Hawke

> > And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll
probably stick
> > with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for
35
> > years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often,
I just
> > want the option.

> I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months
> ago that said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to
> hollow points for the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through
> and through shootings in which other officers and by-standers were
> getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes sense to me.  When I was on the force
> in Richmond, Va. we had to stand inspection with ball but as soon as we
> got in the car we switched to Super-vel hollow points.

> Jim

>>Tom Gardner wrote:

>>>"Hawke" <desmith...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>>news:13sse9bj0firm8f@corp.supernews.com...

>>>>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

>>>>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

>>>>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

>>>>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
>>>>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
>>>>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>T.Alan

>>>>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
>>>>>>be shooting FMJs

>>>>>>Gunner

>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
>>>>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
>>>>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

>>>>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
>>>>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

>>>>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
>>>>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets

> at

>>>>>about the speed of sound is well known.

>>>>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
>>>>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
>>>>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it

> expands at

>>>>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As

> to

>>>>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
>>>>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
>>>>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain

> 9mm

>>>>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a

> good

>>>>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I

> like

>>>>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs,

> which

>>>>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as

> Winchester

>>>>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the

> 147

>>>>grain ones too.

>>>>Hawke

>>>And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll

> probably stick

>>>with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for

> 35

>>>years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often,

> I just

>>>want the option.

>>I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months
>>ago that said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to
>>hollow points for the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through
>>and through shootings in which other officers and by-standers were
>>getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes sense to me.  When I was on the force
>>in Richmond, Va. we had to stand inspection with ball but as soon as we
>>got in the car we switched to Super-vel hollow points.

>>Jim

> Super-Vels! Wow, that was a long time ago. Those were the days of the super
> hot light weight bullet trend in 9mm ammo. There's a lot more choices
> nowadays. The advances in bullet design in the last decade have really
> improved the performance of 9mm ammo to the point that all the expensive
> stuff is very effective. Today it's not the bullet weight that matters that
> much. It all performs really well. But I still think that the 124 grain
> weight bullet is ideal for the 9mm caliber.

> Hawke

>>>Tom Gardner wrote:

>>>>"Hawke" <desmith...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:13sse9bj0firm8f@corp.supernews.com...

>>>>>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

>>>>>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

>>>>>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

>>>>>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
>>>>>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
>>>>>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

>>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>>T.Alan

>>>>>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
>>>>>>>be shooting FMJs

>>>>>>>Gunner

>>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
>>>>>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
>>>>>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

>>>>>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
>>>>>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

>>>>>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
>>>>>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets

>> at

>>>>>>about the speed of sound is well known.

>>>>>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
>>>>>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
>>>>>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it

>> expands at

>>>>>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As

>> to

>>>>>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
>>>>>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
>>>>>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain

>> 9mm

>>>>>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a

>> good

>>>>>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I

>> like

>>>>>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs,

>> which

>>>>>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as

>> Winchester

>>>>>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the

>> 147

>>>>>grain ones too.

>>>>>Hawke

>>>>And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll

>> probably stick

>>>>with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for

>> 35

>>>>years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often,

>> I just

>>>>want the option.

>>>I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months
>>>ago that said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to
>>>hollow points for the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through
>>>and through shootings in which other officers and by-standers were
>>>getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes sense to me.  When I was on the force
>>>in Richmond, Va. we had to stand inspection with ball but as soon as we
>>>got in the car we switched to Super-vel hollow points.

>>>Jim

>> Super-Vels! Wow, that was a long time ago. Those were the days of the super
>> hot light weight bullet trend in 9mm ammo. There's a lot more choices
>> nowadays. The advances in bullet design in the last decade have really
>> improved the performance of 9mm ammo to the point that all the expensive
>> stuff is very effective. Today it's not the bullet weight that matters that
>> much. It all performs really well. But I still think that the 124 grain
>> weight bullet is ideal for the 9mm caliber.

>> Hawke

> We used .38 revolvers, autos weren't allowed.  The whole department (445) used
> 4" S&W.  One other guy and I had the only two 6" Colts that the department
> had.  Guess who had the better scores during annual quals. This was in
> 1970-72.

> Jim

>>Hawke wrote:

>>>"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
>>>news:8aAzj.10428$C1.7571@trnddc07...

>>>>Tom Gardner wrote:

>>>>>"Hawke" <desmith...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:13sse9bj0firm8f@corp.supernews.com...

>>>>>>>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers

>>>>>>>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,

>>>>>>>>>Try this load , Gunner:

>>>>>>>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
>>>>>>>>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
>>>>>>>>>transfer energy without going too far...

>>>>>>>>>cheers
>>>>>>>>>T.Alan

>>>>>>>>What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well
>>>>>>>>be shooting FMJs

>>>>>>>>Gunner

>>>>>>>>"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
>>>>>>>>Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
>>>>>>>>off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
>>>>>>>>them self determination under "play nice" rules.

>>>>>>>>Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
>>>>>>>>for torturing the cat."  Gunner

>>>>>>>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
>>>>>>>point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets

>>>at

>>>>>>>about the speed of sound is well known.

>>>>>>Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
>>>>>>quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
>>>>>>special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it

>>>expands at

>>>>>>snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As

>>>to

>>>>>>the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
>>>>>>agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
>>>>>>record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain

>>>9mm

>>>>>>bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a

>>>good

>>>>>>job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I

>>>like

>>>>>>the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs,

>>>which

>>>>>>are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as

>>>Winchester

>>>>>>silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the

>>>147

>>>>>>grain ones too.

>>>>>>Hawke

>>>>>And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll

>>>probably stick

>>>>>with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for

>>>35

>>>>>years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often,

>>>I just

>>>>>want the option.

>>>>I read an article in, I think, "Combat Handgunner" a couple of months
>>>>ago that said that even NYPD, that bastion of antiquity, had gone to
>>>>hollow points for the simple reason that they wanted to stop the through
>>>>and through shootings in which other officers and by-standers were
>>>>getting shot by ball ammo.  Makes sense to me.  When I was on the force
>>>>in Richmond, Va. we had to stand inspection with ball but as soon as we
>>>>got in the car we switched to Super-vel hollow points.

>>>>Jim

>>>Super-Vels! Wow, that was a long time ago. Those were the days of the super
>>>hot light weight bullet trend in 9mm ammo. There's a lot more choices
>>>nowadays. The advances in bullet design in the last decade have really
>>>improved the performance of 9mm ammo to the point that all the expensive
>>>stuff is very effective. Today it's not the bullet weight that matters that
>>>much. It all performs really well. But I still think that the 124 grain
>>>weight bullet is ideal for the 9mm caliber.

>>>Hawke

>>We used .38 revolvers, autos weren't allowed.  The whole department (445) used
>>4" S&W.  One other guy and I had the only two 6" Colts that the department
>>had.  Guess who had the better scores during annual quals. This was in
>>1970-72.

>>Jim

> Gee, let me guess...Ok, I give, tell us who DID score better?

> >> >>Try this load , Gunner:

> >> >>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152
> >> >>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to
> >> >>transfer energy without going too far...

> >> >>cheers
> >> >>T.Alan

> >> > What about expansion?  Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as
well
> >> > be shooting FMJs

> >> > Gunner

> >> > "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
> >> > Making sure other people play nice and dont  kill each other (and us)
> >> > off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
> >> > them self determination under "play nice" rules.

> >> > Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
> >> > for torturing the cat."  Gunner

> >> I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow
> >> point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets
at
> >> about the speed of sound is well known.

> > Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at
> > quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38
> > special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it
expands at
> > snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As
to
> > the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement
> > agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good
> > record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain
9mm
> > bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a
good
> > job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I
like
> > the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs,
which
> > are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as
Winchester
> > silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the
147
> > grain ones too.

> > Hawke

> And I would have bet on you being anti-gun...I'm impressed!  I'll probably
stick
> with hardball and count on multiple taps, that's how I've practiced for 35
> years, using one ammo all the time.  I'll probably not carry very often, I
just
> want the option.

>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed
>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems.  I remember he had a
>sense of humor.

>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting
>too many of these animals in prison.  WTF???  This incident just confirms my
>conviction to get my ccw.  It just so happens that the security company that I
>hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20%
>discount.  I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after
>installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker
>and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar.  The
>trigger is now SWEET!  (Don, are you reading this?)  I'll have to get a hold of
>Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.

>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday.  The shooting took
>>place a
>>few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the
>>neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight.
>>If I
>>would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots.  I had to pull off
>>the
>>road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.

>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he
>>seemed
>>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems.  I remember he
>>had a
>>sense of humor.

>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were
>>putting
>>too many of these animals in prison.  WTF???  This incident just confirms
>>my
>>conviction to get my ccw.  It just so happens that the security company
>>that I
>>hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get
>>a 20%
>>discount.  I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after
>>installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and
>>striker
>>and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar.  The
>>trigger is now SWEET!  (Don, are you reading this?)  I'll have to get a
>>hold of
>>Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense
>>round.

> Yes.  I'd like to know more about the source of the aftermarket
> trigger and about the overtravel limit setscrew, please.  Note that if
> "sweet" means "light", that is not a good tactical trigger for carry.
> You want very crisp without a lot of travel,  but somewhat heavy.

> As to ammo:  wait until after your training  to choose ammo.  Your
> first criteria must be that the gun is utterly, flawlessly  reliable
> with it. XD's are not known to be fussy feeders, but you need to be
> sure.  I have not found any ammo that my XD .40 doesn't work
> flawlessly with -- but if I had another one of the same model I'd
> definitely check it.

> Think about your choice of caliber for a moment.  The advantage to
> 9mmp is that it has light recoil, double-stackers like the XD hold
> lots of 'em -- and ammo is cheap.   Forget about the mythical
> "one-shot stop" with magic ammo in a 9mmp.  You aren't limited to one
> shot.  If you get several hits in COM, the probability of at least one
> of them having the desired effect is at least as good as one hit from
> a  heavier round that you may not shoot as well.    Really critical
> spots  within COM are not arranged radially from center in importance.
> COM is not a bullseye with numbered rings.  They're somewhat randomly
> distributed.  A heavy round works better because it damages a larger
> region -- but a lighter round in a  right spot is even more effective.
> Consider:  the 12 gage shotgun with #00 buck is absolutely
> unquestioned re stopping power.  It merely delivers  eighteen 97-grain
> balls at 1100 fps.  Each of these balls is both lighter and slower
> than a 9mmp 124-grain HydraShok JHP, and they don't expand. However,
> probability of one or more  of them hitting a critical spot is
> essentially  1.

> You must be able to shoot well with the ammo you choose,  which means
> be in complete control of muzzle flip.  You are in control when you
> can deliver 4 or 5 rounds into COM at 21 feet in under a second.

> A "hot" round that misses has negative efficacy because it still
> invites return fire.  Recoil should be a non-issue with a full-size XD
> in 9mmp, but you need to be sure that's true for you with your piece
> and your ammo.