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Pinstripe Sniper

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:06:58 PM12/29/09
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Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)

I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
Here's an online version.
http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp

My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"

(I also had an interesting if depressing read of The Economist "The
World in 2010" issue.)

PsS

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"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
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> Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>
> I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
> Here's an online version.
> http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>
> My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
> aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
> credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
> aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"

I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
Technology_, as a circulation manager (I personally handled the subscription
for the Shah of Iran. Little did I know...). The editors loved working
there, both the ones in Washington and those in New York; they were almost
giddy about their jobs.

Later, one of my buddies moved from _American Machinist_, where we were both
editors, to _AW_, three floors above my office. We had a friendly
competition going for a couple of years, trying to out-scoop each other on
new engine developments at Pratt & Whitney and GE.

--
Ed Huntress


Pinstripe Sniper

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:25:16 PM12/29/09
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very...@nocando.com (Pinstripe Sniper) wrote:
>Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
>Here's an online version.
>http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp

Oh also, lots of other pictures in the other sections listed further
down - the MRO (maintenance/repair/overhaul) section could be of
particular interest to many here.

And a kind of interesting report about a bug (insect not software - ah
the history) plugging a pitot tube on an airliner.

"Bug Wreaks Havoc On Ghana Airlines Flight"
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/mro/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=388668c6-b459-4ea7-941e-a0a2206d415f&plckPostId=Blog%3a388668c6-b459-4ea7-941e-a0a2206d415fPost%3abc0fbaef-413b-423c-b60a-ac3b9d608372&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

I used to read "Aviation Leak" all the time, I drifted away but I
think I'll start reading it again - I recollect both seeing and
learning something cool/worthy pretty much everytime...

Jim Stewart

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:25:52 PM12/29/09
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Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
> news:4b3a520f...@news.flex.com...
>> Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>>
>> I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
>> Here's an online version.
>> http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>>
>> My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
>> aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
>> credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
>> aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"

I passed the "swimsuit" issue around the office.
Also a great article on the first fight of the
787.

> I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
> Technology_, as a circulation manager (I personally handled the subscription
> for the Shah of Iran. Little did I know...). The editors loved working
> there, both the ones in Washington and those in New York; they were almost
> giddy about their jobs.

Wasn't it informally known as "Aviation Leak and Space
Technology" back then?

Ed Huntress

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:26:39 PM12/29/09
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"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
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> very...@nocando.com (Pinstripe Sniper) wrote:
>>Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>>I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
>>Here's an online version.
>>http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>
> Oh also, lots of other pictures in the other sections listed further
> down - the MRO (maintenance/repair/overhaul) section could be of
> particular interest to many here.
>
> And a kind of interesting report about a bug (insect not software - ah
> the history) plugging a pitot tube on an airliner.
>
> "Bug Wreaks Havoc On Ghana Airlines Flight"
> http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/mro/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=388668c6-b459-4ea7-941e-a0a2206d415f&plckPostId=Blog%3a388668c6-b459-4ea7-941e-a0a2206d415fPost%3abc0fbaef-413b-423c-b60a-ac3b9d608372&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
>
> I used to read "Aviation Leak" all the time, I drifted away but I
> think I'll start reading it again - I recollect both seeing and
> learning something cool/worthy pretty much everytime...
>
> PsS

Is Jerry Mayfield still on the masthead?

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Ed Huntress

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:28:30 PM12/29/09
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"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b3a520f...@news.flex.com...
>>> Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>>>
>>> I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
>>> Here's an online version.
>>> http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>>>
>>> My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
>>> aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
>>> credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
>>> aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"
>
> I passed the "swimsuit" issue around the office.
> Also a great article on the first fight of the
> 787.
>
>> I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
>> Technology_, as a circulation manager (I personally handled the
>> subscription for the Shah of Iran. Little did I know...). The editors
>> loved working there, both the ones in Washington and those in New York;
>> they were almost giddy about their jobs.
>
> Wasn't it informally known as "Aviation Leak and Space
> Technology" back then?

<g> Not in the McGraw-Hill offices. But they were very good at getting info
that no one was supposed to have.

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Stu Fields

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:01:08 PM12/29/09
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"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
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> Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>
> I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
> Here's an online version.
> http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>
> My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
> aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
> credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
> aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"
As a publisher/editor/photographer for the Experimental Helo Magazine, I can
say that I ain't bored yet. On one trip I flew 5 different helicopters
including one that weighed 254#. There does seem to be much more
opportunities for interesting experiences because of my position with the
magazine. It does help make up for the below poverty level salary.
Although my 1.3 Mach ride in a T-38, which included a 7G Split S, had more
to do with my welding than my magazine connection.

Stu


Wes

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:02:06 PM12/29/09
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
>Technology_

Everytime I had the duty in the ready room, I read that magazine cover to cover.

Wes
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Ed Huntress

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"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
>>Technology_
>
> Everytime I had the duty in the ready room, I read that magazine cover to
> cover.
>
> Wes

Yeah, it was a good one. They were real mavericks.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:43:46 PM12/29/09
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Jim Stewart wrote:

[snip]


>
> Wasn't it informally known as "Aviation Leak and Space
> Technology" back then?

That's what Boeing managers used to call it every time they'd uncover some
info. about the latest FUBAR.

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Wes

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:13:46 PM12/29/09
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>> Everytime I had the duty in the ready room, I read that magazine cover to
>> cover.
>>
>> Wes
>
>Yeah, it was a good one. They were real mavericks.
>

It was a good magazine. After I read that, I'd read a NATOPS publication that focused on
how Naval pilots screwed the pooch.

The important thing was to have the coffee ready before flight briefing. ;)

Jim Chandler

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:16:54 PM12/30/09
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boeing is going to be doing the flight testing of the 787 right in my
backyard. They will be testing at Southern California Logistics
Airport, the old George AFB (I retired from there in 1988). I know,
it's a stupid name for an airport, but what do you expect from a bunch
of politicians (City of Victorville)? It will be great to see it
flying around.

Jim


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wrote:

Jim Stewart

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:37:50 PM12/30/09
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Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> Jim Stewart wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> Wasn't it informally known as "Aviation Leak and Space
>> Technology" back then?
>
> That's what Boeing managers used to call it every time they'd uncover some
> info. about the latest FUBAR.

The other folklore that I've heard was that during the
Cold War, the Soviet Union had a jet standing by ready
to the latest issue to Moscow in a diplomatic pouch.

Stu Fields

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Dec 29, 2009, 10:27:19 PM12/29/09
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"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b3a520f...@news.flex.com...
>>> Many aeroplane parts are still made from metal. :-)
>>>
>>> I had a flip through the annual airplane picture issue yesterday.
>>> Here's an online version.
>>> http://aviationweek.com/aw/photos/gallerylist.jsp
>>>
>>> My shallow thought was "what a great job it must be to be a pro
>>> aviation photographer - while it must take a while to build the
>>> credibility and connections, I imagine they get to ride in military
>>> aircraft often and FOR FREE! I wonder if that gets boring?"
>
> I passed the "swimsuit" issue around the office.
> Also a great article on the first fight of the
> 787.
>
>> I used to work for _Aviation Week_, then called _Aviation Week and Space
>> Technology_, as a circulation manager (I personally handled the
>> subscription for the Shah of Iran. Little did I know...). The editors
>> loved working there, both the ones in Washington and those in New York;
>> they were almost giddy about their jobs.
>
> Wasn't it informally known as "Aviation Leak and Space
> Technology" back then?
Yep. Back when I worked at a government lab, I was pressed into helping in
a tightly classified project that involved a radar that had cryllic letters
all over the display and manuals. Special clearance was required for
access. Two weeks later, I read about it in the "Aviation Leak". Rumors
had it that the publisher of the "Leak" had a TS clearance????


Ed Huntress

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"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
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They didn't have to confine themselves to diplomatic pouches. I handled
_AW's_ international circulation from 1974 - 1977. We sent 24 copies of
_American Machinist_ to Soviet libraries, and I think it was the same number
of copies of _Aviation Week_, each month.

And it was reciprocal. "Cultural exchange," or something like that. They
also got copies of _Electrical World_, _Power_, _Construction Methods &
Equipment_, _Electronics_, and a few other publications I handled at the
time.

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Ed Huntress

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"Stu Fields" <e...@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
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The editors were from the industry and had all kinds of inside contacts. My
old friend from _AM_, who moved to _AW_, had been an engineer for
McDonnell-Douglas.

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Pinstripe Sniper

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Dec 31, 2009, 1:56:26 PM12/31/09
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Is Jerry Mayfield still on the masthead?

I didn't see him listed on the "Swim Suit" issue (tips hat to Jim
Stewart)

Is there a story you can tell us Uncle Ed? :-)

Pinstripe Sniper

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Dec 31, 2009, 2:07:02 PM12/31/09
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Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote:
>The other folklore that I've heard was that during the
>Cold War, the Soviet Union had a jet standing by ready
>to the latest issue to Moscow in a diplomatic pouch.

I also read that a Soviet operative visited a US facility where
advanced alloys were being machined wearing crepe rubber soled shoes
to pick up chips/swarf for later analysis.

And this leads me to story #2.

Diplomatic plates for Soviets in the US had as the first 2 characters
"FC" (retired in 1992 I hear) I would have loved to have been a fly
on the wall when:
a. The US folks decided to assign that code.
b. When the F-Commies realized we were teasing.
c. When the US decided to change it. F could stand for Friendly too.
(Russians are a fun loving, people) FC could stand for so many
words!

Ed Huntress

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"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>Is Jerry Mayfield still on the masthead?
>
> I didn't see him listed on the "Swim Suit" issue (tips hat to Jim
> Stewart)
>
> Is there a story you can tell us Uncle Ed? :-)
>
> PsS

No, no story. Jerry and I were editors together at _American Machinist_ back
when it was in New York. I think he really wanted _Aviation Week_ from the
start, but there were no openings when he was looking. Eventually he moved
over to _AW_, which was sandwiched between _Business Week_ and _American
Machinist_ in the same building.

He covered manufacturing for _AW_, although he really was a design
engineering guy who had worked on the airframes for the F-15. I lost track
of him after I left to do research for Japan's MITI.

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Ed Huntress

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Dec 31, 2009, 3:08:03 PM12/31/09
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Jim Chandler wrote:

>
> boeing is going to be doing the flight testing of the 787 right in my
> backyard. They will be testing at Southern California Logistics
> Airport, the old George AFB (I retired from there in 1988). I know,
> it's a stupid name for an airport, but what do you expect from a bunch
> of politicians (City of Victorville)? It will be great to see it
> flying around.

That's where they'll be doing some of their max load, hot weather takeoff
tests. See if you can get some photos of how much those plastic wings bend.

Wes

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Dec 31, 2009, 9:04:48 PM12/31/09
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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:

>That's where they'll be doing some of their max load, hot weather takeoff
>tests. See if you can get some photos of how much those plastic wings bend.


Bending isn't bad unless it doesn't rebound. I guess scraping the ground isn't all that
great but the U2 seemed to deal with it.

I got an shirt tail uncle that used to chase those things to help them stay on an even
keel.

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Dec 31, 2009, 8:38:08 PM12/31/09
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Wes wrote:
>
> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >That's where they'll be doing some of their max load, hot weather takeoff
> >tests. See if you can get some photos of how much those plastic wings bend.
>
> Bending isn't bad unless it doesn't rebound. I guess scraping the ground isn't all that

Its not bending as in imminent structural failure. Its a question of
stiffness, the natural frequency of the structure and how close that
comes to those of the flight control loop frequencies.

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:04:48 -0500, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:

>"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>That's where they'll be doing some of their max load, hot weather takeoff
>>tests. See if you can get some photos of how much those plastic wings bend.
>
>
>Bending isn't bad unless it doesn't rebound. I guess scraping the ground isn't all that
>great but the U2 seemed to deal with it.
>
>I got an shirt tail uncle that used to chase those things to help them stay on an even
>keel.
>
>Wes

But a lot of times they didn't catch them. Lockheed had built skids
under the wing tips for that eventuality but I used to see the pickup
trucks chasing them down the runway. about a 50% "save" rate from what
I saw.

Regards,

J.B.

dca...@krl.org

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Jan 1, 2010, 8:42:21 AM1/1/10
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On Jan 1, 1:38 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:

>
> Its not bending as in imminent structural failure. Its a question of
> stiffness, the natural frequency of the structure and how close that
> comes to those of the flight control loop frequencies.
>
> --

> Paul Hovnanian     mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com

I would think they have implemented a digital filter in the flight
control loop. They used to have an actual body bending filter in
missile flight control packages and real rate gyros. Now that is all
done with some software.

Dan

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Jan 1, 2010, 1:54:28 PM1/1/10
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dca...@krl.org wrote:

The same thing can be done for aircraft to maintain stability. But it
becomes more complex than the missile problem. Missiles need to stay on
course, but the actual bending isn't an issue since they don't have to
content with a bunch of passengers that will get airsick.

dca...@krl.org

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Jan 1, 2010, 7:15:12 PM1/1/10
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On Jan 1, 6:54 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:

> The same thing can be done for aircraft to maintain stability. But it
> becomes more complex than the missile problem. Missiles need to stay on
> course, but the actual bending isn't an issue since they don't have to
> content with a bunch of passengers that will get airsick.
>
> --

> Paul Hovnanian  p...@hovnanian.com


> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Have gnu, will travel.

Actually the problem is just as big or bigger on missiles. The
structure is as light as possible. Implementing a body bending filter
lets the structure be lighter which increases range. So as light as
possible, but no lighter.

Dan

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