The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the
private business sector prior to their appointment to the
cabinet.
You know what the private business sector is... a real life business,
not a government job.
Here are the percentages:
T. Roosevelt........ 38%
Taft..................... 40%
Wilson ................. 52%
Harding.................49%
Coolidge.............. 48%
Hoover................. 42%
F. Roosevelt......... 50%
Truman................. 50%
Eisenhower........... 57%
Kennedy.............. 30%
Johnson................ 47%
Nixon.................... 53%
Ford..................... 42%
Carter................... 32%
Reagan................. 56%
GH Bush.............. 51%
Clinton ................. 39%
GW Bush............. 55%
And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
presidents!!
And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
their business?
They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and
me?
How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk about
business when he's never worked for
one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
>
>And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
>
>Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
>presidents!!
>
Notice you don't provide a cite. No doubt because you got this where
you get most of your shit... out of your ass..
>And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
>their business?
>
>They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and
>me?
>
>How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
>most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk about
>business when he's never worked for
>one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
>
>
>
It's very difficult to get into Harvard, not because of academic
requirements but because acceptance is based on social and political
criteria. So how did Barry Soetoro get in? What was his connection?
And where did he get $50,000 a year?
Barry Soetoro was CIA sponsored at Columbia.
Barry Soetoro was an affirmative action student at Harvard.
>And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
>their business?
As a bankrupt and insolvent deadbeat who's been dodging creditors his
entire adult life, you're the last person who should be commenting on
what others should do. And yet you have the most to say! Can you get
any more absurd? Of course you can!
For example, your recent complaint about evil California expecting you
to pay for back license fees on the van you couldn't afford to drive.
Pretty lame, but wait... remember several years ago when you had the
exact same problem with your wife/ex/wife's Volvo? And you came here
to whine about it, only to be told that normally intelligent people
turn in the plates on vehicles not being driven, which is a
commonly-known requirement that's well explained on the DMV's web
site. And how did know-it-all gummer the prince of stupefaction react
to that embarrassment? By making the exact same mistake *again*, and
by crying about it on Usenet *again*, and by trying to blame it on
California *again*! By now if we read that you found a way to lop your
head off in a pencil sharpener, nobody should be surprised.
Wayne
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>VERY INTERESTING!
>
>The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the
>private business sector prior to their appointment to the
>cabinet.
>
>You know what the private business sector is... a real life business,
>not a government job.
>
<snip>
Assuming your data is correct, on the surface this may appear to
be a problem, however there is the difference between what
"running a business" means today and what it meant years ago.
For example, "Engine Charlie" Wilson, SecDef under Eisenhower
could note and largely be correct "what's good for GM is good for
the country and what's good for the country is good for GM,"
although this raised a furor at the time.
The days when "American" businesses did well, it meant that
America did well, and when America did well, it meant Americans
did well are largely over, with the obsolescent "American"
corporations being replaced by transnational corporations with
the same name, likely domiciled in a tax haven country, with cash
flow from their external operations greater than their domestic
ones, e.g. Hewlett-Packard.
The mix of business has also changed, and the heads and senior
officers of today's corporations are far more likely to have a
MBA [Master of Business Annihilation] degree and be expert in
"financial engineering" [book cooking] and "off-shoring," than
they are to be expert in domestic high volume and high value
added operations with high domestic employment (and real wealth
generation).
The record of accomplishment by recent cabinet members with
business experience has not been encouraging with the Secretary
of the Treasury being the "poster child." e.g. Robert Rubin under
Clinton, Henry "Bazooka" Paulson under Bush II, and Tim Geithner
under Obama. Andrew W. Mellon under Hoover is not an encouraging
example either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_W._Mellon
His cure for the depression: "liquidate labor, liquidate stocks,
liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the
rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high
living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral
life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick
up from less competent people."
Two major problems appear to be; First, the revolving door of
excessive interchange between the governmental policy makers and
the senior members of the industries, which they are in theory to
oversee and regulate, with the result that the line of
demarcation between government and business is increasingly
blurred; and Second, the ballooning of the size and complexity of
private business to the point where many of the nominally private
U.S. corporations are now larger in dollar volume than the
majority of countries in the U.N. with their CEOs as isolated
and privileged as any "head of state." While there are many
examples, Rick Wagoner, late of G.M., is perhaps the most well
known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wagoner
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Nope, sorry. 30 seconds of googling shows this to be another echo chamber
falshood.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/02/glenn-beck/beck-says-less-10-percent-obama-cabinet-members-ha/
got any facts to back that up?
I found where this comes from, and the originator is James David
Manning, a typical paranoid-delusional crazy. Strabo, you really keep
interesting company!
You can clear up part of this by showing us Lord Barry's passports.
And while you're rummaging around in the hidden documents drawer,
get his Harvard application.
Oh, and grab Lord Barry's birth certificate too!
Can you make it any more plain that you are nuts?
Reading that article is interesting. Particularly when it shows that the
majority of those with "private party" business experience got that as
fucking lawyers.
Which have about as much real world rationality as sand spiders.
So the article it was taken from was pretty fucking accurate. Despite
your protestations.
Gunner
For asking about the President of the United States of Americas birth
cert, when there is so very much controversy about it?
Why would that be nuts? Do we simply accept that you have a skull
filled with properly operationing brain cells..when there is so much
evidence against it?
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
There's no controversy. There are only delusional nuts. Like you, and
Strabo.
>
> Why would that be nuts? Do we simply accept that you have a skull
> filled with properly operationing brain cells..when there is so much
> evidence against it?
Who in the world would care about what you "accept"?
You're too far gone for that, Gunner. You're doing a full-time stand-up
routine, with Strabo as your straight man.
--
Ed Huntress
> > The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
>
> It's very difficult to get into Harvard, not because of academic
> requirements but because acceptance is based on social and political
> criteria.
One reason it is hard to get into Harvard is that it does not cost
your family anything if the family income is less than $60,000 per
year. So they get applications from everyone that thinks they might
get accepted. From the Harvard U website.
Does Harvard offer financial aid?
Yes. Over 70 percent of Harvard students receive some form of
financial aid. Our policy of need-based financial aid is designed to
meet 100 percent of a family's demonstrated need. Our recent low– and
middle–income initiatives have made our aid program even more generous
by eliminating the parent contribution for families with incomes below
$60,000, reducing the parent contribution for families with incomes
between $60,000 and $180,000, and eliminating student loans. These
enhancements enable all students to participate fully in the
extracurricular life of the college. Our financial aid policies apply
equally to international students and to U.S. citizens.
Dan
Ignorance is no excuse. Those who support Lord Barry are going to be
held responsible for his actions.
Correction. They are telling corporations how to run their business.
> They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and
> me?
>
> How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
> most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk about
> business when he's never worked for
> one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
All good questions.
By you and what army, oh beloved fruitcake? Even with this health care
brouhaha, he still has a positive approval rating.
--
Ed Huntress
same old fantasy where strabo and gunner stop being losers and turn
into into masters of the universe.
<shrug>
The two keyboard-tappin', smoke-blowin' armchair generals of the Sons of
Timothy McVeigh.
After that House vote last night, they should be easy to spot. Look for the
plumes of smoke coming out of their ears. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
You have that fantasy? Odd. Now if you werent morbidly overwieght, Id
fuck you silly, but....given the likelyhood of you being slender or
moderate in girth...shrug..it looks like you are simply going to have to
keep buying those D batteries by the case and posting on Usenet during
sessions with your Rabbit 2.
The other thing though..is you would probably start spewing Marxist
slogans during orgasm and that would cause me to lose interest in a
hurry. Stuffing a pillow over your face, while an idea, should not be
done during sex. But perhaps those that are charged with your removal
during the upcoming Great Cull might use that idea. Afterall...it leaves
the scene so much cleaner and neater.
Martin
>
> By you and what army, oh beloved fruitcake? Even with this health care
> brouhaha, he still has a positive approval rating.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday
shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that
Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent
(41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index
rating of -12 (see trends).
Dan
Cherry-pick your polls and hype up your fantasies however you wish, Dan. If
you want to know the big picture, look at the averages posted by
RealClearPolitics. That's the place for serious poll-watchers.
--
Ed Huntress
Looks like a good site, thanks.
Interesting trend line in their poll chart on BHO approval/disapproval
Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Now we'll see what effect the health care bill
has on it. That line is almost like a barograph of public opinion.
As for the site, that plus Politico will give you the best perspectives on
current opinion that you can get. They're both pretty comprehensive, and on
top of the spectrum of ideas and opinion. Journalists hit those sites as
soon as they get to their desks in the morning.
--
Ed Huntress
No argument about that from me; just funny to see the losers clinging
to their birther and other such lunatic fantasies.
Pols go up, pols go down, pols go up, ...
Its fascinating to me to note that Jessie is among the 29%
> Cherry-pick your polls and hype up your fantasies however you wish, Dan. If
> you want to know the big picture, look at the averages posted by
> RealClearPolitics. That's the place for serious poll-watchers.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
I did not cherry pick. I just googled and that was the first one that
showed up.
I have not fantasties. I was just trying to figure out what you
counted as positive numbers. To me positive would be above 50% .
Below 50% and a politician is out of a job. So I looked at
RealClearPolitics and saw that Obama's approval rating is below 50 %.
So now I guess I have the big picture.
Obama's approval rating is below what I consider to the positive
range. So I would say you are the one with fantasies.
RealClearPolitics sounds like a place for those that are rabid about
politics.
Dan
> Cherry-pick your polls and hype up your fantasies however you wish, Dan.
> If
> you want to know the big picture, look at the averages posted by
> RealClearPolitics. That's the place for serious poll-watchers.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>I did not cherry pick. I just googled and that was the first one that
>showed up.
So, you picked the low-hanging fruit. That's close to cherry-picking. <g>
>I have not fantasties. I was just trying to figure out what you
>counted as positive numbers. To me positive would be above 50% .
>Below 50% and a politician is out of a job.
Almost never is that the case. Ronald Reagan's approval rating was 41%
during his second year in office.
> So I looked at
>RealClearPolitics and saw that Obama's approval rating is below 50 %.
>So now I guess I have the big picture.
>Obama's approval rating is below what I consider to the positive
>range. So I would say you are the one with fantasies.
The "positive" range is one that's above the "negative" range. Right now, at
this moment in the RCP summaries, he has a positive spread of 1.3%.
>
>RealClearPolitics sounds like a place for those that are rabid about
>politics.
Yup.
> Dan
This is it. Follow the link...
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/newsarchive/Ayn_Rand,_Textbook_of_Americanism.mht
> RealClearPolitics sounds like a place for those that are rabid about
> politics.
>
I'd say 'interested in' rather than 'rabid about'. While it seems to lean
slightly to the right, it does have more balance than NewsMax or HuffPo.
Okay, so I guess you need to have run a hamburger or owned a business to
be able to function in a government position, is that the idea? Because
if you think having business experience somehow prepares you for the job
of president or other political jobs you can forget it. If it was years
ago you would be saying that only people with military experience are
qualified to have government jobs. I'm sorry but this is now the 21st
century and you don't need business or military experience to be a
successful politician or government worker. In fact, being trained
specifically for those jobs is better than any work experience. But all
you have to do is look at the results and you see that Obama is doing
just fine in his new job and according to some, has no business
experience. He's proof that business experience is no longer any kind of
prerequisite for government work. In fact, I'd say it doesn't help at
all. Just look at Bush.
Hawke
>GW Bush............. 55%
Dang !!!
He failed at everything !!
Only about a year now & Obama has already reformed much
of healthcare .... which has been a need for 50 years.
Find those "WMDs" yet?
Another winger failure ....
--
Cliff
Crackpots and loons always think they are smarter than everyone else.
They always think they are the holders of the truth and everyone else
has been deceived. It's part of the illness that they cannot distinguish
between reality and fantasy. They live with fantasy as their truth. It
never bothers them that everyone else thinks they are nuts because they
are convinced they know the truth. Suffice it to say, they are nuts and
that's why what they think is so different from what everyone else does.
They're legends in their own minds. The problem for them is that to
everyone else they're just weirdos.
Hawke
That explains why conservatives never visit that sites.
Hawke
>And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run
>their business?
>
>They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and
>me?
>
>How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the
>most successful economic system in world history... stand and talk about
>business when he's never worked for
>one? ...... or about jobs when he has never really had one??!
Physician heal thyself?
Oh yeah the US car companies and financial giants were the epitome of
well-managed, stable, profitable companies. It was glorious right up
to the moment Obama got elected.
Then WHAM-O! (another once great US company) like somebody flipped a
switch, they are upside down. Oh yeah, Obama and his hench crew are
to blame. <rolls eyes>
Time will tell how many Chertoffs and Brownies Obama will have to buck
stop. (I think both these guys are working in security consulting now
<rolls eyes again> )
Things have been heading this way for decades. If anything, Obama
will have to increase the emphasis on improving the US educational
system. If this doesn't happen, we are definitely going down.
I am not hopeful - too much hate and ignorance. ("Idiot America" by
Charles Pierce is a decent treatment)
PsS
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A fictional account of how to drastically reform the financial world...
More at http://PinstripeSniper.blogspot.com and if that gets banned, check
www.PinstripeSniper.com
Hey up Doc. Google tracks what sites you visit, and returns sites based
on what you clicked on before. All YOU are likely to get from Google is
fruitball sites.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/google_personalizes_logged_out_search/
>The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the
>private business sector prior to their appointment to the
>cabinet.
Palin = 0
McSame = 0 (IIRC).
bush at several massive failures paid for with Other People's Money ....
SureShort = Halliburton bankrupt (but he can play Golf).
HTH
--
Cliff
Cliffie, I was unaware that Palin and McCain were appointed to the
president's cabinet. Do you have a cite?
Yet you would trust Palin as pres .... LOL ...
BTW, Faux & Glenn Beck were lying again anyway.
What else is new?
--
Cliff
Grades?
> And where did he get $50,000 a year?
Most private Universities provide.
> Barry Soetoro was CIA sponsored at Columbia.
Oh?
> Barry Soetoro was an affirmative action student at Harvard.
Make your case, but don't contradict yourself, as you do above.
Dan
Who is "Lord Barry?" Can't argue facts?
Dan
In case you hadn't noticed, Obama isn't pure white. In fact he's dark
enough to set the Republicans/Neocons/Religionists/Racists underwear on
fire. Immensely entertaining. Start rumors and watch them run with it,
"Pssst! Obama has a blond honey on the side..."
--
Regards, Curly
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Mediocre.
But he did have a recommendation from a Communist mentor.
>
>> And where did he get $50,000 a year?
>
> Most private Universities provide.
>
Only if they want you. Why did Yale want Barry?
>
>> Barry Soetoro was CIA sponsored at Columbia.
>
> Oh?
>
Sure. After he was recruited.
You're so far behind you probably don't know about his
international travels.
Remember Clinton's trip to Moscow and other then off-limit
places? Well, Barry did something similar.
>
>> Barry Soetoro was an affirmative action student at Harvard.
>
> Make your case, but don't contradict yourself, as you do above.
>
He qualified via affirmative action and could have gotten points
as a foreign national. His father was a British subject.
>
> Dan
>
You call Magna Cum Laude "mediocre"?
>hal wrote:
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>>And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
>>>
>>>Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
>>>presidents!!
>>
>>Notice you don't provide a cite.
>
>Here is 21,600 of them.
>
><http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=T+Roosevelt+38%25+Taft+40%25+Wilson++52%25+Harding+49%25+Coolidge+48%25+Hoover+42%25+F+Roosevelt+50%25+Truman+50%25+Eisenhower+7%25+Kennedy+30%25+Johnson+47%25+Nixon+53%25+Ford+42%25+Carter+32%25+Reagan+56%25+GH+Bush+51%25+Clinton+39%25+GW+Bush+55%25&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=>
>
>How simple was that? This brings up the question - are 0bamaBots
>* stupid
>* helpless
>* hard core liars
All of the above.
Gunner
>
>__
>WS in a.s and m.s
>Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.
Nor the brains or any of the other myriad qualifies he had to qualify.
That much is obvious.
That being said, back in the day, there was a very good predictor of
incipient Silicon Valley company failure: the hiring of their very first
Harvard MBA...
Dan
When you need a 'Master of Business Annihilation', go with the
best...
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
>> Grades?
>>
>
>Mediocre.
As in "Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School".
Right.
>But he did have a recommendation from a Communist mentor.
bin Laden loved bushco.
--
Cliff
>>> And where did he get $50,000 a year?
>>
>> Most private Universities provide.
>>
>
>Only if they want you. Why did Yale want Barry?
Barry who?
--
Cliff
Well, Strabo probably did attend the Sixth grade.
So did Jethro Bodine.
--
Cliff
>
>Dan wrote:
>>
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>> > hal wrote:
>> >
>> >> The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
>> >
>> > Alas, I didn't have the mentors and political supporters he did.
>>
>> Nor the brains or any of the other myriad qualifies he had to qualify.
>> That much is obvious.
>>
>> That being said, back in the day, there was a very good predictor of
>> incipient Silicon Valley company failure: the hiring of their very first
>> Harvard MBA...
>
>
> When you need a 'Master of Business Annihilation', go with the
>best...
A bush ...
--
Cliff
>Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> hal wrote:
>>>
>>>> The man went to Harvard. Something you could never have done.
>>>
>>> Alas, I didn't have the mentors and political supporters he did.
>>
>>Nor the brains or any of the other myriad qualifies he had to qualify.
>>That much is obvious.
>
>There you go with your mindless, unsupported blather again.
>
>0bama has refused to release his grades. You don't have a clue what
>mine were.
What were they in?
>Yet in classic liberal fashion, you manage to make a
>comparison and come to a conclusion.
Now that you brought yours up ...
>>That being said, back in the day, there was a very good predictor of
>>incipient Silicon Valley company failure: the hiring of their very first
>>Harvard MBA...
>
>The trouble is that THAT is not in my post. It's not part of anyone
>else's post that I quoted. YOU cut it and pasted it from somewhere
>else, into my post.
A sure sign of paranoia.
>
>And you wonder why liberals are viewed with their credibility and
>honesty under suspicion.
They are not supported by Faux & Rush?
--
Cliff
>hal wrote:
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:16:35 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>>And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is.....Obama......... 8% !!!
>>>
>>>Yep! Thats right! Only 8% !!! ..... the least by far of the last 19
>>>presidents!!
>>
>>Notice you don't provide a cite.
>
>Here is 21,600 of them.
>
><http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=T+Roosevelt+38%25+Taft+40%25+Wilson++52%25+Harding+49%25+Coolidge+48%25+Hoover+42%25+F+Roosevelt+50%25+Truman+50%25+Eisenhower+7%25+Kennedy+30%25+Johnson+47%25+Nixon+53%25+Ford+42%25+Carter+32%25+Reagan+56%25+GH+Bush+51%25+Clinton+39%25+GW+Bush+55%25&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=>
>
>How simple was that?
Searching for a given winger lie?
Pretty simple if you ask me.
You found some.
>This brings up the question - are 0bamaBots
>* stupid
>* helpless
>* hard core liars
Lying wingers like gummer?
--
Cliff