Mig Cart Photos
Pete Snell
Completed my MIG welder cart last night. Photos are in the dropbox
under MigCart*. <http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/>
For some reason the TXT file doesn't wrap properly, I'm not sure what
happened, so I've included it here.
"One of the guys here at work upgraded his MIG welder to one with spool
gun capablilties. He offered me his old one at a price I couldn't
refuse. It worked really well, but the leads were short, and I didn't
have a 20amp outlet for it, which limited me to the lower settings for
heat. I installed a 20amp plug near the panel in my shop, but I wanted
the ability to weld anywhere in the shop, and maybe the driveway. So I
bought 9 meters of real 12 gauge extension wire and hardwired it into
the welder. I then bought 10 feet of #2 welding cable and replaced the
short ground lead with that.
The welder worked really well, but was low to the ground, which meant
the short torch cable was bent into a sharp 'S' shape when I was working
on the bench. This made the wire feed unpredictable, and made welding
trickier. So I decided to build a cart for it, which would have the
extra bonus of giving me a spot to store the longer cables, as well as
allowing me to work at a higher position. MigCart* files show the
assembly and final product. I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender for
the side rails. It works well, but I need more practice to make my bends
where they should be!"
Pete
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Royal Military College
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Winston
(...)
> So I decided to build a cart for it, which would have the
> extra bonus of giving me a spot to store the longer cables, as well as
> allowing me to work at a higher position. MigCart* files show the
> assembly and final product. I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender for
> the side rails. It works well, but I need more practice to make my bends
> where they should be!"
>
> Pete
Elegant!
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCart.txt
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartPieces.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartTacked.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartComplete.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartAssembled.JPG
--Winston
Denis G.
What size tubing did you use? It looks like your JD tubing bender
does a great job!
I didn't see a spot for a gas bottle? Do you exclusively use flux-
core?
Pete Snell
>
> What size tubing did you use? It looks like your JD tubing bender
> does a great job!
> I didn't see a spot for a gas bottle? Do you exclusively use flux-
> core?
The tubing is one inch diameter, 0.065" wall. The bender works great,
but it does take practice to get the bends where you want them. It only
took me 4 tries to make the 2 'rails' I needed. ;-)
The welder is set for flux core for now. I can adapt a bottle, but I
think 90% of the time I'll use this welder, I'll want the flux core. If
I need to weld something fussier I'll use my Squarewave 275 TIG. In one
of life's little ironies, I used the TIG to weld up the cart, as the MIG
machine was apart on the bench!
Pete
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Royal Military College
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Canada
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Gunner Asch
>Hi All
>
> Completed my MIG welder cart last night. Photos are in the dropbox
>under MigCart*. <http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/>
>
> For some reason the TXT file doesn't wrap properly, I'm not sure what
>happened, so I've included it here.
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartAssembled.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartComplete.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartPieces.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCartTacked.JPG
http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/MigCart.txt
Very nicely done!
Gunner
>
>"One of the guys here at work upgraded his MIG welder to one with spool
>gun capablilties. He offered me his old one at a price I couldn't
>refuse. It worked really well, but the leads were short, and I didn't
>have a 20amp outlet for it, which limited me to the lower settings for
>heat. I installed a 20amp plug near the panel in my shop, but I wanted
>the ability to weld anywhere in the shop, and maybe the driveway. So I
>bought 9 meters of real 12 gauge extension wire and hardwired it into
>the welder. I then bought 10 feet of #2 welding cable and replaced the
>short ground lead with that.
>
> The welder worked really well, but was low to the ground, which meant
>the short torch cable was bent into a sharp 'S' shape when I was working
>on the bench. This made the wire feed unpredictable, and made welding
>trickier. So I decided to build a cart for it, which would have the
>extra bonus of giving me a spot to store the longer cables, as well as
>allowing me to work at a higher position. MigCart* files show the
>assembly and final product. I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender for
>the side rails. It works well, but I need more practice to make my bends
>where they should be!"
>
>Pete
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Brian Lawson
Nice job. I've bent a lot of stuff with a bender over the years, and
four tries to get a good pair seems like you did better than most of
us "pros" !!! Good for you.
One comment. It looks like it is a bit of a short handle, which is
just fine, but I wonder if putting the roller wheels closer to the
middle would make it easier to "roll" when you want to move it. Not
so far that it is "tippy" though.
Take care.
Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:35:29 -0400, Pete Snell <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote:
Pete Snell
> Hey Pete,
>
> Nice job. I've bent a lot of stuff with a bender over the years, and
> four tries to get a good pair seems like you did better than most of
> us "pros" !!! Good for you.
>
> One comment. It looks like it is a bit of a short handle, which is
> just fine, but I wonder if putting the roller wheels closer to the
> middle would make it easier to "roll" when you want to move it. Not
> so far that it is "tippy" though.
>
>
and keeping in mind that I may put a small gas bottle on the back
someday helped me decide on that position. Hanging 9 meters of #12 3
conductor off the back helps too! I thought about bending and welding a
handle to the cart itself, but I'll see how it works with the handle
that came on the welder.
Pete
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> Completed my MIG welder cart last night.
> I got to use my new JD2 tubing bender ...
Nice job.
But now I have bender envy <G>. I *might* talk myself into the $295 for
the bender itself:
http://www.jd2.com/shop/custom.aspx?recid=1
but I'd need at least a few dies and that would be out of question.
How many dies do you have? Can they be made at home?
Bob
JR North
and resubmit to Steve.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:35:29 -0400, Pete Snell <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote:
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Now...
Your picture files are apx 1MB each, and huge. I checked
migcartcomplete-its 1971X2478. 480X620 would do fine. Steve specifies
files of less than 100KB. I'm sure he doesn't appreciate you Bogarting
3MB on his server for 3 JPGs.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:35:29 -0400, Pete Snell <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote:
Larry Jaques
<bobeng...@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
[Yeah, nice job, Pete.]
His JD2 is a definite upgrade from the HF bender:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38470
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while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
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Bill McKee
"Pete Snell" <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote in message
news:4bbc8a21$1...@win9.rmc.ca...
Very nice. My mig cart puts the front of the welder higher than the back.
So is easy to see and adjust the dials on the front. Then I put my old
Airco Stick welder on top of the cart and then installed the Lincoln 180c on
top of the stick welder. Makes for a very compact welding setup.
Pete Snell
> But now I have bender envy <G>. I *might* talk myself into the $295 for
> the bender itself:
> http://www.jd2.com/shop/custom.aspx?recid=1
> but I'd need at least a few dies and that would be out of question.
>
> How many dies do you have? Can they be made at home?
>
Hi Bob! I only have one die right now, a 3" radius version. A fella
could build his own, but I'm not sure it would be worth it. I think
making the parts would be in reach for most of the people here, but
getting the geometry right would be tricky.
I bought the model 32 bender with an eye to doing heavier tube sometime
later. Right now I'm undecided about getting a 1.5" die, or one for 3/4
square tube as my next one. Next bending project for me is to bend up a
cradle to put an Yamaha RZ350 engine in a Yamaha R6 chassis (Project R3.5!)
No I don't know exactly why either..... ;-)
Pete
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Pete Snell
Fixed and resubmitted with resized photos.
Pete
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Pete Snell
>
> Very nice. My mig cart puts the front of the welder higher than the back.
> So is easy to see and adjust the dials on the front. Then I put my old
> Airco Stick welder on top of the cart and then installed the Lincoln 180c on
> top of the stick welder. Makes for a very compact welding setup.
Sounds nice. I thought about tipping it up, but realized I if I did,
I couldn't use it as an 'auxillary' bench... ;-)
Pete
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Larry Jaques
<sne...@rmc.ca> scrawled the following:
>Bill McKee wrote:
>
>>
>> Very nice. My mig cart puts the front of the welder higher than the back.
>> So is easy to see and adjust the dials on the front. Then I put my old
>> Airco Stick welder on top of the cart and then installed the Lincoln 180c on
>> top of the stick welder. Makes for a very compact welding setup.
>
> Sounds nice. I thought about tipping it up, but realized I if I did,
>I couldn't use it as an 'auxillary' bench... ;-)
Um, Pete, if you're going to be setting your cuppa joe/beer/BigGulp on
top of the welder when it's plugged in, make sure you have Magic Smoke
Release insurance _before_ doing so. ;)
Larry Jaques
<sne...@rmc.ca> scrawled the following:
>Bill McKee wrote:
>
>>
>> Very nice. My mig cart puts the front of the welder higher than the back.
>> So is easy to see and adjust the dials on the front. Then I put my old
>> Airco Stick welder on top of the cart and then installed the Lincoln 180c on
>> top of the stick welder. Makes for a very compact welding setup.
>
> Sounds nice. I thought about tipping it up, but realized I if I did,
>I couldn't use it as an 'auxillary' bench... ;-)
Oops, I forgot to add "What, you can't bend brackets and sheetmetal to
form a flat top over the welder to store goodies? Either remove/rivet
and replace the top or build the brackets to affix to the standard
cover holddown screw placement and use longer screws.
Pete Snell
>
> His JD2 is a definite upgrade from the HF bender:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38470
>
Hey ! I have one of those too! (the Princess Auto version). I used it
to make a pedestal that would hold either the JD2 bender or it. I cut
the head off the Princess Auto version, and welded 2.5" square tube to
the heads so that I can swap them out if I want to bend some strap or
similar. I even made a set of dies to bend 1" tubing, which worked ok.
No comparison for the JD2 version though.
Pete
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Pete Snell
>
> Oops, I forgot to add "What, you can't bend brackets and sheetmetal to
> form a flat top over the welder to store goodies? Either remove/rivet
> and replace the top or build the brackets to affix to the standard
> cover holddown screw placement and use longer screws.
Yes Larry, just what I needed. More work on my tools, so that I can
made other new parts for other tools. ;-) Anybody else have that problem?
Pete
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Steve B
> Completed my MIG welder cart last night. Photos are in the dropbox
> under MigCart*.
snipped conversation re: FCAW vs.GMAW (flux core vs. MIG)
I am making a cart, too, but have very different needs. I like your thought
of keeping the machine high to keep the overbend to a minimum. But to me,
that makes your whole assembly with the welder on it too top heavy. A
friend of mine has the exact Miller, but has a bigger wheelbase footprint.
I stick weld anything I want that much penetration on, so always use a
bottle with my MIG. Locating the bottle on the lower level keeps the center
of gravity down, but with the bottle, welder, and everything else, the whole
thing is rather heavy, I'd say easily going over 100#. On your cart, the
bottle would stick WAY out.
It all depends on where you are going to use the welder, too. For your roll
around flat floor shop, what you have is good, but I'd watch for tipping,
especially if all casters swivel, and it can run sideways. On my wood
container floor, my cart is presently a 6" inflatable tire garden cart, but
it uses too much space, and has no room for holding everything.
So, I am just cutting down a shopping cart, and going to put the bottle on
the bottom, and the machine on the next level up to keep the center of
gravity down. The handle is high, and the wheels far enough apart to make
it stable. It would be no good outside in the sand, but when I need to take
the machine outside, I will just put it on the soft wheeled cart, first
making some supports to make it more stable in holding all the "stuff".
I was going to (and may still) make a trick one out of custom cut tubing,
but for the sake of time and simplicity, I'll use the shopping cart version,
and see how that works out. It may give me the motivation to put concrete
on top of the sand.
Steve
Pete Snell
>
> I am making a cart, too, but have very different needs. I like your thought
> of keeping the machine high to keep the overbend to a minimum. But to me,
> that makes your whole assembly with the welder on it too top heavy. A
> friend of mine has the exact Miller, but has a bigger wheelbase footprint.
Yeah, I thought about that, and the fact that the welder is actually
pretty light means it isn't as tippy as it may look. I wouldn't try to
drag it sideways by one of the cables, but it is pretty stable.
>
> I stick weld anything I want that much penetration on, so always use a
> bottle with my MIG. Locating the bottle on the lower level keeps the center
> of gravity down, but with the bottle, welder, and everything else, the whole
> thing is rather heavy, I'd say easily going over 100#. On your cart, the
> bottle would stick WAY out.
I doubt I'll ever use a bottle, but if I do it'll be the smallest
available. Maybe 16" high and 25lbs. If I got serious I think I would
cut the back platform off of the welder so that the bottle would rest on
the bottom portion of the cart.
>
> It all depends on where you are going to use the welder, too. For your roll
> around flat floor shop, what you have is good, but I'd watch for tipping,
> especially if all casters swivel, and it can run sideways. On my wood
> container floor, my cart is presently a 6" inflatable tire garden cart, but
> it uses too much space, and has no room for holding everything.
Might haul it out into the driveway, or maybe the patio. Pretty even
surfaces. It only has the two rear wheels on a fixed axle, the front
just sits on a 'prop' of 3" channel.
>
> So, I am just cutting down a shopping cart, and going to put the bottle on
> the bottom, and the machine on the next level up to keep the center of
> gravity down. The handle is high, and the wheels far enough apart to make
> it stable. It would be no good outside in the sand, but when I need to take
> the machine outside, I will just put it on the soft wheeled cart, first
> making some supports to make it more stable in holding all the "stuff".
>
> I was going to (and may still) make a trick one out of custom cut tubing,
> but for the sake of time and simplicity, I'll use the shopping cart version,
> and see how that works out. It may give me the motivation to put concrete
> on top of the sand.
Sounds like an interesting base platform. Post some photos when you get
it done!
Pete
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Canada
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Gunner Asch
>>
>> I was going to (and may still) make a trick one out of custom cut tubing,
>> but for the sake of time and simplicity, I'll use the shopping cart version,
>> and see how that works out. It may give me the motivation to put concrete
>> on top of the sand.
>
>Sounds like an interesting base platform. Post some photos when you get
>it done!
>
>Pete
I brought home my Miller 2050 plasma cutter from LA tonight and the cart
the boys fabbed up was for dead level concrete floors. Damned thing is
nearly 100lbs, but no bigger than most small migs.
Anyone have a cart design for a heavy bastard thats actually quite
small, and will largely be used on uneven ground?
http://www.millerwelds.com/products/plasma/spectrum_2050/
Gunner, who would like to use it both onsite and on other locals..
Larry Jaques
<gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:24:43 -0400, Pete Snell <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was going to (and may still) make a trick one out of custom cut tubing,
>>> but for the sake of time and simplicity, I'll use the shopping cart version,
>>> and see how that works out. It may give me the motivation to put concrete
>>> on top of the sand.
>>
>>Sounds like an interesting base platform. Post some photos when you get
>>it done!
>>
>>Pete
>
>
>I brought home my Miller 2050 plasma cutter from LA tonight and the cart
>the boys fabbed up was for dead level concrete floors. Damned thing is
>nearly 100lbs, but no bigger than most small migs.
You's gittin' old, boy.
Net Weight with Torch 86 lb (39 kg)
>Anyone have a cart design for a heavy bastard thats actually quite
>small, and will largely be used on uneven ground?
>
>http://www.millerwelds.com/products/plasma/spectrum_2050/
>
>
>Gunner, who would like to use it both onsite and on other locals..
It only cuts 7/8" stock? You don't need that. Send it up to me. I'll
build a nice cart for it and return it, um, at some later date. ;)
Nice score. What'dja pay?
Gunner Asch
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:08:33 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:24:43 -0400, Pete Snell <sne...@rmc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I was going to (and may still) make a trick one out of custom cut tubing,
>>>> but for the sake of time and simplicity, I'll use the shopping cart version,
>>>> and see how that works out. It may give me the motivation to put concrete
>>>> on top of the sand.
>>>
>>>Sounds like an interesting base platform. Post some photos when you get
>>>it done!
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>
>>I brought home my Miller 2050 plasma cutter from LA tonight and the cart
>>the boys fabbed up was for dead level concrete floors. Damned thing is
>>nearly 100lbs, but no bigger than most small migs.
>
>You's gittin' old, boy.
>Net Weight with Torch 86 lb (39 kg)
Add in 100' of 8gauge 4 conductor they spliced into the original power
cable....<G>. That shit adds up quick.
>
>
>>Anyone have a cart design for a heavy bastard thats actually quite
>>small, and will largely be used on uneven ground?
>>
>>http://www.millerwelds.com/products/plasma/spectrum_2050/
>>
>>
>>Gunner, who would like to use it both onsite and on other locals..
>
>It only cuts 7/8" stock? You don't need that. Send it up to me. I'll
>build a nice cart for it and return it, um, at some later date. ;)
>
>Nice score. What'dja pay?
$11,000
Thats what they owed me. And Ive still got my Abene miller, Hardinge
HC, Victor copy of DV-59, (4) Bechler swiss screw machines,
transformers, carts, autodrills, 800 lbs of brand new pneumatic
cylinders etc etc etc still locked up in the building. That I may wind
up loosing. Ill know more Wed.
Gunner