Crime Report on the Sandy Hook Massacre

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

Read the Connecticut State's Attorney's Crime Report on the Sandy Hook
Massacre

The document offers insight into the history of the gunman and a
timeline of the police response to the school.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/crime-report-sandy-hook-shooting

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:58:06 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<D...@null.net> wrote:

>
>Read the Connecticut State's Attorney's Crime Report on the Sandy Hook
>Massacre
>
>The document offers insight into the history of the gunman and a
>timeline of the police response to the school.

So?

Does it offer any insight to the useless, knee-jerk responses of
politicians?

[The Daring Dufas]

The Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freaks believe the government
must institute gun control which will ultimately lead to the
confiscation of privately owned firearms by government agents pointing
guns at the citizenry. The tragic murder of the children and teachers at
the Sandy Hook school was done by a young man who was mentally ill. We
don't need gun control, we need crazy people control. Unfortunately, we
would wind up with mental institutions filled with Liberals and
Leftists. ^_^

TDD

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That's probably why they don't mention it, unless its to falsely
accuse Ronald Reagan of "turning crazy people out into the streets."

But then, that just inflated Democrat voter turnout, so it wasn't such
a bad thing for them, either.

Why aren't we reading about the Washington Navy Yard Shooting? Is it
because no children were shot? Is it because the shooter legally
acquired the weapon, using Democrat-approved procedures? Was it
because he didn't use any "killer clips" or "assault rifles?" Was it
because he was driving a Prius? Because he was a registered Democrat?
Because if Obama had a son he would look like Aaron Alexis?

[Jeff M]

On 11/26/2013 5:49 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

Probably not. But it might offer some insight into the destructive
Pavlovian responses of irrationally extremist and blindly fanatical gun
lovers.

Expect more mass shootings at schools, shopping malls and office parks
near you. Preaching blind hatred and ignorant fear, while teaching that
violence and guns are the only answer, is a potent recipe for making
such disasters.

--
�The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

[Delvin Benet]

On 11/26/2013 6:20 AM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 11/26/2013 5:49 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:58:06 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>> <D...@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Read the Connecticut State's Attorney's Crime Report on the Sandy Hook
>>> Massacre
>>>
>>> The document offers insight into the history of the gunman and a
>>> timeline of the police response to the school.
>>
>> So?
>>
>> Does it offer any insight to the useless, knee-jerk responses of
>> politicians?
>
> Probably not. But it might offer some insight into the destructive
> Pavlovian responses of irrationally extremist and blindly fanatical gun
> lovers.

Adam Lanza was a leftist.

[Mike Smith]

You are attempting to confuse a libtard with facts. They cannot be
confused by facts, due to their inability to understand what a fact
is.

Mike Smith

[Jeff M]

On 11/26/2013 12:18 PM, Mike Smith wrote:

Your average rightard extremist, meaning a gullible, ignorant fool who
is far below the intellectual, moral and cognitive attainment of normal
people, wouldn't know a fact if it hit him upside his head with a 2 x 4,
as demonstrated by the utterly inane and pointlessly silly comment
above, as well as by what one usually sees in posts from you or your
boyfriend here.

[pyotr filipivich]

The Daring Dufas <the-dari...@stinky-finger.net> on Tue, 26 Nov
2013 07:22:49 -0600 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

You say that like it was a bad thing.

Okay, it might prove to be expensive, but other than that ... it
is for the children.
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[RD Sandman]

Klaus Schadenfreude <KlausScha...@gmx.com> wrote in
news:dk299995d166c8t7u...@4ax.com:

Nope.

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One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

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[Steve W.]

The most important paragraph in the whole thing is

" It is known that the shooter had significant mental health issues that
affected his ability to live a normal life and to interact with others,
even those to whom he should have been close. As an adult he did not
recognize or help himself deal with those issues. What contribution this
made to the shootings, if any, is unknown as those mental health
professionals who saw him did not see anything that would have predicted
his future behavior. He had a familiarity with and access to firearms
and ammunition and an obsession with mass murders, in particular the
April 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado. Investigators
however, have not discovered any evidence that the shooter voiced or
gave any indication to others that he intended to commit such a crime
himself. "


In other words, We don't have a clue why he did what he did. And there
were no outward signs that he would do this...

--
Steve W.

[Mike Smith]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:40:48 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>On 11/26/2013 12:18 PM, Mike Smith wrote:

See what I mean, Delvin...

Mike Smith

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:26:09 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

Other than the fact he was a nutcase and this was known long before he
came uncunted.

Gunner

__
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Heinlein

[Gunner Asch]

Notice Jeffy doesnt deny his Lanza was a leftist. He attempts to make
people ignore this factoid by going off into lala land using as many
insults as he can dream up.

Typical of the mentally ill Leftwinger..sad really.

Shrug

[The Daring Dufas]

Gunner, have you noticed that the majority of these "mass shootings"
seem to happen when Democrats are in The White House? I see a black ops
brainwashing of perpetrators conspiracy going on. o_O

TDD

[Billy]

In article <l73ivg$nf8$1...@dont-email.me>,

The Daring Dufas <the-dari...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:

Face it Dippy, you couldn't fid your ass with both hands.

How does Virginia Tech fit into your master plan? Hmmmmmm?

More Guns, More Mass Shootings�Coincidence?
<http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation
>

<http://alangraysonemails.tumblr.com/post/64719421164/the-tea-party-no-mo
re-popular-than-the-klan>

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans
-mostly-white.aspx>
Democrats Racially Diverse; "Tea Baggers" Mostly White

Extinction isn't just for Dinosaurs anymore,
Join the entitled, no-choice "White Whine'rs Party" on their Lemming's
Run.

Tea,
the new Kool Aid
--
Remember Rachel Corrie
<http://www.rachelcorrie.org/>

Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>

[Oglethorpe]

"Billy" <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in message
news:wildbilly-2DA54...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The safest place on the planet according to Liberal ideology.....

I'm NOT confident that I'm always right, I'm just confident that
Liberals are always wrong.






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[Billy]

In article <4NKdnVE90q29mwvP...@mchsi.com>,

You mean that like most Americans, the faculty and students didn't want
to be surrounded by gun nuts, so they declared gun possession on campus
against the law. The problem is that there are irrational people among
us, and Cho Seung-Hui represented his group by killing 32 people and
wounding 17 others on April 16, 2007, at Virginia Polytechnic.

Mental illness among the killers is no surprise, ranging from paranoid
schizophrenia to suicidal depression. But while some states have
improved their sharing of mental health records with federal
authorities, millions of records reportedly are still missing from the
FBI's database for criminal background checks.

Are you, Gunneria Arschloch, suggesting that to be safe in America,
everyone should have to carry a weapon at all times?

Law enforcement officials are the first to say that civilians should not
be allowed to obtain particularly lethal weaponry, such as the AR-15
assault rifle and ultra-high-capacity, drum-style magazine . . .
The expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban under President George
W. Bush in 2004 has not helped that cause: Seven killers since then have
wielded assault weapons in mass shootings.

In the meantime, the gun violence in malls and schools and religious
venues continues apace. As a superintendent told his community in
suburban Cleveland this February, after a shooter at Chardon High School
snuffed out the lives of three students and injured three others, "We're
not just any old place, Chardon. This is every place. As you've seen in
the past, this can happen anywhere."

As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
death tolls get higher.

Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.

<http://www.motherjones.com/special-reports/2012/12/guns-in-america-mass-
shootings>

�As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that
all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are
equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to
see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.�
- George Washington

[Billy]

In article <4NKdnVE90q29mwvP...@mchsi.com>,
"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote:

Sorry, I misidentified the author of this post as Gunneria Arshloch,
when credit should have gone to the arschloch Oglethorpe, who name
recalls Georgia, Jim Crow, Lester Maddox, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, and
Jack Abramoff. Save your alligator tears, Oglethorpe. You are only one
of many hypocrites to post here in tx.guns.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The you are saying Liberals Discriminate against people that exercise
their Constitutional RIGHTS?

*But isn't that unconstitutional*

Like Discriminating against people for their Religion which is a
constitutional RIGHT also?

[Gunner Asch]

Ayup. Billy is one of those that consideres the Constitution to be
nothing more than asswipe.

Which is why he is on the List.

[No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list']

No "list"; no "those who keep the list"; no "cull."

It's all bullshit, gummer. You know it is, and we know you know.


--

People who have been in the military
did not do military "duty" or
"service"; they just had a military
job for a while. Calling it "duty"
suggests it is owed. It is not.

[Scout]

"Billy" <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in message

news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

Actually the faculty and students had nothing to say in the matter. I bet if
they had been consulted they would have chosen a different option.

So quit trying to assert support from people that had ZERO input into
setting up that policy.

[Scout]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote in
message news:38Jlu.153245$gp1.1...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...

Not only that, but they assert support by people that had nothing to do with
that policy much less their opinion on that policy.

Free hint: the faculty and students weren't consulted on the matter much
less have their opinion decide whether this policy was enacted.

As such billy is just pulling popular support out of his ass.

[Rudy Canoza]

So, gun possession makes one a "gun nut." I see. Do you own a
wristwatch or an MP3 music player or a pair of shoes? Does that make
you a "wristwatch nut," a "music player nut,", or a "shoe nut?"

You're just a fuckwit - worse than a nut.

>
> Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.

Leftists, of course, would like citizens to have no guns at all. Sorry
- that's just not going to happen.

[Uncle Steve]

Why do dumbfuck right-tards always accuse others of doing what they do
themselves?


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
/One/ Roman law weighed more than all the lyrics and school-
metaphysics of the time together. And I maintain that to-day many an
inventor, many a diplomat, many a financier is a sounder philosopher
than all those who practice the dull craft of experimental psychology.

[RogerN]

"Billy" wrote in message
news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

<snip>

>
>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>death tolls get higher.
>
>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>

Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when Adam
Lanza illegally brought a gun. Thanks to liberal, children and faculty were
shot and killed. Thanks to liberals the school was set up to be a target
range and death camp for the law abiding victims that the liberals disarmed.
So what is the liberals response? Blame the NRA.

Who, but a liberal, could be so stupid to think a person that wants to kill
teachers and children is going to obey a sign or a law?

So liberals would like fewer guns, but thanks to liberals being morons,
there are more guns in the hands of inexperienced first time gun owners that
could be on a power trip ready to try out their new toy.

Proof liberals are stupid:
Liberals would like fewer guns but the actions of liberals cause more guns
and ammo to be circulating.

Liberals want ObamaCare so more people would have health insurance. But
thanks to ObamaCare and stupid liberals, something like 100 people have lost
their health insurance for every one that's been able to sign up for
ObamaCare. More people have seen the legendary Big Foot than have been able
to sign up for ObamaCare.

Republicans wanted to delay ObamaCare, they said it wasn't ready. It would
have been the perfect excuse for Obama to delay it and blame Republicans.
But, being a liberal, he's too stupid and instead uses a government shutdown
to get his idiots to blame it on Republicans. So then they reach a deal and
guess what? The Republicans were right, ObamaCare wasn't ready and Obama's
now delaying another part of ObamaCare, his liberal Democrat signature
legislation.

There is no doubt about it, with all the evidence Obama has given you about
how stupid you have to be to be a liberal, you have no excuse, if you're
still a liberal after all the demonstrated failure, you're just plain
incurably stupid.

Blame Bush, Blame NRA, Blame Republicans, Blame Tea Party for the failure of
Liberal's policy. They told you that your ideas wouldn't work, and when
they don't, you blame those that warned you. Why didn't liberals just
listen to reason in the first place? A. Because they are too stupid!

NRA told you that criminals would bring guns where guns are illegal.
Republicans AND Democrats told you ObamaCare was bad legislation. You
didn't believe them, instead you believed Obama when he said you could keep
your policy if you liked it, you believe Obama doesn't know anything about
the scandal after scandal since his administration has been in power.

If there isn't a list, there should be. If you liberals aren't on the list,
you should be. If there won't be a "Great Cull" there needs to be. That's
the only thing that will save this country from the stupid failure that
liberals have brought us to, blaming others all the way.

Time to play the race card again?

RogerN

DEMOCRATS - Dimwits Embracing Marxism Over Capitalism Really Are
Tremendously Stupid

[RogerN]

"Uncle Steve" wrote in message news:d923f1b81b...@gmail.com...

<snip>

>Why do dumbfuck right-tards always accuse others of doing what they do
>themselves?
>
>

>Retards,
>
>Uncle Steve
>
>--

Let's see, so the liberals think a person that is sick enough to kill
children in a school and then take their life is going to obey a "gun free
zone"? And then when they don't, just like the NRA has been saying for
decades, the liberals blame the NRA? You dumbfuck libtards blame NRA for
the Sandy Hook kill zone that YOU LIBTARDS set up to be safe for lunatics to
kill children and teachers at will. You dumbfuck libtards disarmed law
abiding citizens so that liberal dumbfucks can take a gun and have a killing
spree. Then, like your kind always do, you blame others for what you've
caused.

You idiots think the government should control healthcare when they are too
incompetent to even get a working website, and had to hire contractors(more
jobs sent out of the country) to even get a website that doesn't work. It
is brains surgery and you liberals are too stupid to be qualified to operate
fingernail clippers!

[RD Sandman]

Billy <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in
news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

The students had nothing to do with that decision. It was made by the
regents.

The problem is that there are irrational
> people among us, and Cho Seung-Hui represented his group by killing 32
> people and wounding 17 others on April 16, 2007, at Virginia
> Polytechnic.

Yep, Cho was mentally ill as is Holmes (Aurora Colorado), Loughner
(Tucson) and Lanza (Newtown).

> Mental illness among the killers is no surprise, ranging from paranoid
> schizophrenia to suicidal depression. But while some states have
> improved their sharing of mental health records with federal
> authorities, millions of records reportedly are still missing from the
> FBI's database for criminal background checks.

Yep, and that is a big part of the problem. HPAA laws and state privacy.

> Are you, Gunneria Arschloch, suggesting that to be safe in America,
> everyone should have to carry a weapon at all times?

No, he isn't....but there are definitely times when having a weapon with
is smart, prudent and providential.

> Law enforcement officials are the first to say that civilians should
> not be allowed to obtain particularly lethal weaponry, such as the
> AR-15 assault rifle and ultra-high-capacity, drum-style magazine . . .

No, they aren't.

> The expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban under President
> George W. Bush in 2004 has not helped that cause: Seven killers since
> then have wielded assault weapons in mass shootings.

Which is a rather miniscule part of the deaths by gun fire in the US.
One need only look at Chicago, Detroit, LA, etc.. to realize that.

> In the meantime, the gun violence in malls and schools and religious
> venues continues apace.

Not really......see above.

As a superintendent told his community in
> suburban Cleveland this February, after a shooter at Chardon High
> School snuffed out the lives of three students and injured three
> others, "We're not just any old place, Chardon. This is every place.
> As you've seen in the past, this can happen anywhere."
>
> As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
> death tolls get higher.

Actually, you are completely full of shit. Homicides by firearm are down
and yet the number of guns in this countrry has increased by abnou 5
million per year.

> Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>
> <http://www.motherjones.com/special-reports/2012/12/guns-in-america-mas
> s- shootings>

Another liberal publication whose proclamations don't match the ATF, FBI
or other listings.

--
Sleep well tonight.......

RD (The Sandman}

One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

[RD Sandman]

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:

> "Billy" wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
> ...
>
> <snip>
>>
>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>death tolls get higher.
>>
>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>
>
> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.

Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
school.

--
Sleep well tonight.......

RD (The Sandman}

One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

who decides what is allowed on campus?


Guns are NOT banned in my yard so it must have something about their
property and their endeavor.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 11/28/2013 1:55 PM, RogerN wrote:
> "Uncle Steve" wrote in message news:d923f1b81b...@gmail.com...
>
> <snip>
>> Why do dumbfuck right-tards always accuse others of doing what they do
>> themselves?

>

> Let's see, so the liberals think a person that is sick enough to kill
> children in a school and then take their life is going to obey a "gun free
> zone"? And then when they don't, just like the NRA has been saying for
> decades, the liberals blame the NRA?

Logic isn't something Liberals excel at....


Liberals think they can rationalize what crazy people do, but the crazy
people are irrational.

Why would someone violate a law when they are about to kill someone ?


Only Liberals will tell you they wouldn't break any gun laws because
that would be bad.... but killing someone, that's OK.



I guess the Liberal stand on life should have shed light on that Liberal
thought process.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

No they are perfectly correct.

>Homicides by firearm are down and yet the number of guns in this countrry has increased by abnou 5
>million per year.

So what has that to do with the increase in mass shootings ?

Why Are Mass Shootings Increasing Even While Gun Violence is
Decreasing?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/64057/why-are-mass-shootings-increasing-even-while-gun-violence-is-decreasing

This is only part of the picture.

In the context of the decline in gun violence, the hysteria-inducing,
horrifying type that occurred on Monday appears to be on the rise. The
definition of the term "mass shooting" has been contested as some use
the term "rampage" or "spree" killing, while others exclude
family-related incidents.

A mass shooting is when a shooter has indiscriminately fired on
individuals in an isolated building or public area. These have become
all too common.

Of the 12 deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history, seven have taken
place since 2007, according to counts made by the Washington Post. At
this rate, this decade is becoming one of the deadliest in history.


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decreasing?, Why Are Mass Shootings Increasing Even While Gun Violence
is Decreasing? Image Credit: AP

The massacre in the Washington Navy Yard on Monday that resulted in
the death of 13 people, including shooter Aaron Alexis, was another
tragic incident in a long list of similar attacks. It has been called
the deadliest mass shooting in the U.S. since the tragic incident
Sandy Hook Elementary School last December.

And yet, despite recent high-profile cases of mass, indiscriminate
murder at gunpoint, instances of gun violence have actually shown a
dramatic decline. While horrific, violent mass shootings have been
covered extensively by the media, broader instances of gun violence
have gone down by a whopping 49% since a peak in 1993.

This is only part of the picture. In the context of the decline in gun
violence, the hysteria-inducing, horrifying type that occurred on
Monday appears to be on the rise. The definition of the term "mass
shooting" has been contested as some use the term "rampage" or "spree"
killing, while others exclude family-related incidents. A mass
shooting is when a shooter has indiscriminately fired on individuals
in an isolated building or public area. These have become all too
common. Of the 12 deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history, seven have
taken place since 2007, according to counts made by the Washington
Post. At this rate, this decade is becoming one of the deadliest in
history.

A series of infographics published in the Boston Globe illustrates
just how widespread mass shootings have become in the country in
recent years. Often perpetrated by young and middle-aged men, many of
whom have been diagnosed with or are suspected to have some sort of
mental health issue, mass shooters have indiscriminately killed
approximately 214 innocent people in America since 2007.

Locations of Mass Shootings in the U.S. since 1998

(via Boston Globe)

(via Boston Globe)

Mass shootings are nothing new in America. In 1949, more than 50 years
ago, shooter Howard Unruh indiscriminately killed 13 people (including
three children) in the streets of Camden, N.J. in an incident known as
the "Walk of Death."

Mass shootings are also not unique to the United States. Horrific,
bloody killings like these have tainted modern global history. A
Norwegian killer topped the list when he posed as a police man and
massacred more than 80 people at a youth camp in July 2011, which is
the biggest mass shooting episode in modern history to date. When the
U.S. mourned the loss of 13 innocent victims in the November 2009 Fort
Hood shooting, mass shootings also occurred at a German school and in
the British countryside.

Adding Monday's horrific episode at Washington D.C.'s Navy Yard to the
list indicates that these instances have been particularly bloody, and
frequent, in America since 2007.

(via Mother Jones)

The hope is that recent mass shootings are isolated, tragic acts that
do not portent broader trends in America. A particularly bloody few
years resulting from indiscriminate gun attacks may not necessarily
indicate an overall rise in such incidences. In fact, a sharp decline
occurred since the bloody attack in Columbine High School that killed
12.

But the recent figures are not good. 2012 was a particularly
devastating year, marked by shootings sprees in Newtown, Conn.,
Aurora, Colo., among others. Monday's shooting at the Navy Yard adds
to a list of tragic cases that have already killed dozens this year.
2013 is poised to be yet another chart-topping year.

[Gunner Asch]

He is known for that. Along with pulling gerbils, the kitchen sink,
fence posts, etc etc out of his ass.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 11/28/2013 2:20 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
> news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Billy" wrote in message
>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
>> ...
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>> death tolls get higher.
>>>
>>> Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>
> Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
> and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
> school.
>
>

ban cars..... it was used in the same crime.

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:55:41 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

Very well stated.

And we havent even touched on Benghazi...and the rising number of
generals, colonels and military members that have been recently
fired..or are quiting on their own.

Pretty soon Canada can invade and take over the US.

Or Mexico will..they already have 15 million troops here.....

[Rudy Canoza]

No, he is full of shit.

>> Homicides by firearm are down and yet the number of guns in this countrry has increased by abnou 5
>> million per year.
>
> So what has that to do with the increase in mass shootings ?

*What* "increase" in mass shootings?

> Why Are Mass Shootings Increasing Even While Gun Violence is
> Decreasing?
>
> http://www.policymic.com

Left-wing advocacy site - not reliable.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:

>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Billy" wrote in message
>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
>> ...
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>
>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>
>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
>and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
>school.

He did not take her guns.

The guns were kept in his room and his mother forbidden entry.

Newtown Report Renews Focus on Role of Lanza's Mom

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/newtown-report-renews-focus-role-lanzas-mom-21020780

As Adam Lanza withdrew from the world into his bedroom, the only
person he appeared to be close to was his mother, who cooked his
favorite meals, did his laundry daily � and bonded with him over
shooting and guns.

Investigators' final report on last year's school massacre in Newtown
provided new insights into Nancy Lanza's home life with her troubled
adult son and renewed the debate over whether she bears any
responsibility for the bloodbath that began with her shooting death.

"I think that we will always be bewildered by someone who did express
her concern for her son, why she sought to have him engage with
firearms," Gov. Dannel P. Malloy said Tuesday. "Not even those folks
who oppose reasonable gun safety legislation would argue that it was a
good idea to have someone who was evidencing this kind of disturbance
have possession of the kinds of weapons that he had possession of."

Adam Lanza's fascination with violence was apparent to teachers and
other acquaintances, investigators said in their report. He collected
materials on mass killings and kept a spreadsheet ranking of mass
murders.

But his mother wasn't allowed to enter his bedroom, according to the
report, and it was unclear how much she knew about his obsession.



http://articles.courant.com/2013-03-29/news/hc-newtown-search-warrants-20130327-1_1_adam-lanza-nancy-lanza-gun-range

A gun safe, where some weapons were stored, was in Adam Lanza's
bedroom, a warrant indicates.

Investigators found a gun safe open and with no indication that it had
been broken into. In one warrant, there is also a reference to a gun
safe in Lanza's bedroom,

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

The documented increase you have childishly just snipped of course.

http://www.decisionsonevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Mass-Shootings-in-the-US-are-on-the-Rise.png

[Scout]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote in
message news:KJMlu.153583$gp1....@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...

That would be the Board of Visitors either directly or by proxy via the VT
Administration.

http://www.vt.edu/about/administration/

> Guns are NOT banned in my yard so it must have something about their
> property and their endeavor.

Probably it is, but it's not being decided by faculty and students as Billy
claimed was the case.

[JamesHutchinson]

"RD Sandman" wrote in message
news:XnsA286736EC...@216.196.121.131...

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:

> "Billy" wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
> ...
>
> <snip>
>>
>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>death tolls get higher.
>>
>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>
>
> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.

Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
school.

####
And, he didn't acquire a hall pass, let alone was it show-n-tell day!

[Oglethorpe]

"Billy" <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in message

news:wildbilly-54F2C...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

I do not post in tx.guns. Virginia Tech as and still is a gun free zone.
Every place - outside of where Giffords was shot - where a "mass shooting"
has occured has been a gun free zone. Evidence is that James Holmes pick
that theater in Colorado because it banned guns. Moreover, in case after
case, it has been the appeaance of armed resistance that has precipitated
the suicide of shooters. In several cases, shooters have been stopped and
held by armed citizens.


I support nationwide unrestricted carry; openly, concealed or not at all -
your personal choice - no license required.

[Oglethorpe]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote in
message news:KJMlu.153583$gp1....@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...

University officials.

[Oglethorpe]

"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message
news:i58f99567ec81gcqu...@4ax.com...

There is no such thing.

[Oglethorpe]

"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message

news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> "Billy" wrote in message
>>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
>>> ...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>
>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
>>and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
>>school.
>
> He did not take her guns.
>
>

Yet he did.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Yet they can protest to get anything else they want like banning
MILITARY RECRUITERS or getting gays in as affirmative action or
limiting speech by Conservative speakers. But they couldn't protest a
ban on firearms? Strange how that works isn't it?

>>> As such billy is just pulling popular support out of his ass.
>>>
>>>
>> who decides what is allowed on campus?
>>
>
> University officials.

Not only are guns NOT banned but there has never been a mass shooting
(or any shooting) on my property.... what are they doing at these
colleges that would provoke such a violent act? Obviously I don't do
it on my property where there have been ZERO shootings.


Is it that they have coaches or others that shower with these young men
and boys?

They all seem to be young men, men who are being taught modern
Liberalism by an increasingly Liberal-Socialist government controlled
system of education....

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:44:54 -0800, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote in tx.guns

The retard posts to tx.guns

[RD Sandman]

GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
news:i58f99567ec81gcqu...@4ax.com:

I didn't look at it as a mass shooting problem since that is a very small
percentage of the people being killed viz firearms. I look at totals.
As the number of guns in this country has risen the number of homicides
with them have dropped.

>>Homicides by firearm are down and yet the number of guns in this
>>countrry has increased by abnou 5 million per year.
>
> So what has that to do with the increase in mass shootings ?

Don't you care about the folks getting killed with firearms unless they
are in a mass shooting? Is it because most of those victims are white,
you racist bastard? See, I can throw insults around just like a liberal
can. Look at Chicago.....504 homicides by firearm. Hell, add up
Virginia Tech, Tucson, Aurora and Newtown and you simply get an average
month in Chicago or Detroit.

> Why Are Mass Shootings Increasing Even While Gun Violence is
> Decreasing?
>
> http://www.policymic.com/articles/64057/why-are-mass-shootings-increasi
> ng-even-while-gun-violence-is-decreasing

Because of how we handle (or don't handle) mental illness..... I have
been up here ranting on that since VT and Tucson.

> This is only part of the picture.
>
> In the context of the decline in gun violence, the hysteria-inducing,
> horrifying type that occurred on Monday appears to be on the rise. The
> definition of the term "mass shooting" has been contested as some use
> the term "rampage" or "spree" killing, while others exclude
> family-related incidents.
>
> A mass shooting is when a shooter has indiscriminately fired on
> individuals in an isolated building or public area.

No, it isn't. It is when three or more individuals were killed in a
single incident.

These have become
> all too common.
>
> Of the 12 deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history, seven have taken
> place since 2007, according to counts made by the Washington Post. At
> this rate, this decade is becoming one of the deadliest in history.

Yep, so you folks better get off your asses and address mental illness
and how it will be handled. Wasting your time on hi-cap mags and AR15s
won't do it.

> Rachel George's avatar image By Rachel George September 17, 2013
>
> 123 Comments
> |
> 1163 Views
> |
> 126 Shares
>
> 21
>
> why, are, mass, shootings, increasing, even, while, gun, violence, is,
> decreasing?, Why Are Mass Shootings Increasing Even While Gun Violence
> is Decreasing? Image Credit: AP
>
> The massacre in the Washington Navy Yard on Monday that resulted in
> the death of 13 people, including shooter Aaron Alexis, was another
> tragic incident in a long list of similar attacks. It has been called
> the deadliest mass shooting in the U.S. since the tragic incident
> Sandy Hook Elementary School last December.

And had no AR15 or hicap mag involved. His shootings were with a
shotgun.

> And yet, despite recent high-profile cases of mass, indiscriminate
> murder at gunpoint, instances of gun violence have actually shown a
> dramatic decline. While horrific, violent mass shootings have been
> covered extensively by the media, broader instances of gun violence
> have gone down by a whopping 49% since a peak in 1993.

Yep, and that is what I was addressing. Not everyone is killed in a mass
shooting. They are (and remain) a small part of the picture.

> This is only part of the picture. In the context of the decline in gun
> violence, the hysteria-inducing, horrifying type that occurred on
> Monday appears to be on the rise. The definition of the term "mass
> shooting" has been contested as some use the term "rampage" or "spree"
> killing, while others exclude family-related incidents. A mass
> shooting is when a shooter has indiscriminately fired on individuals
> in an isolated building or public area.

Wrong....see above.

These have become all too
> common. Of the 12 deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history, seven have
> taken place since 2007, according to counts made by the Washington
> Post. At this rate, this decade is becoming one of the deadliest in
> history.

Now, you are simply repeating the same incorrect information.

Why hope? Why not do something about it? Something that has a chance to
work..... Address state medical privacy laws.....HPAA....how mental
illness is handled....improve how people can be admitted for observation,
both volutary and involuntarily. Improve communication between the
medical industry and NICS.

> But the recent figures are not good. 2012 was a particularly
> devastating year, marked by shootings sprees in Newtown, Conn.,
> Aurora, Colo., among others. Monday's shooting at the Navy Yard adds
> to a list of tragic cases that have already killed dozens this year.
> 2013 is poised to be yet another chart-topping year.
>
>>
>>> Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>
>>> <http://www.motherjones.com/special-reports/2012/12/guns-in-america-m
>>> as s- shootings>
>>
>>Another liberal publication whose proclamations don't match the ATF,
>>FBI or other listings.
>

[RD Sandman]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@Blackhole.nebulx.com> wrote in
news:V1Olu.49947$as5....@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com:

Well, it was not an assault vehicle.

[RD Sandman]

GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> "Billy" wrote in message
>>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.
>>> au ...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>
>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his
>>mother and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took
>>them to school.
>
> He did not take her guns.
>
> The guns were kept in his room and his mother forbidden entry.

And they magically showed up in the back of the car or at the school
without him taking them. Imagine that.

She was the purchaser of the guns....not Adam.

[RD Sandman]

"JamesHutchinson" <Bonni...@bass.gov> wrote in news:TL%lu.385776
$ZQ7....@fx18.iad:

>
>
> "RD Sandman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA286736EC...@216.196.121.131...
>
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
> news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Billy" wrote in message

>> news:wildbilly-3CB799.22070927112013@c-61-68-245-

199.per.connect.net.au
>> ...
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>
>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>
> Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his
mother
> and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
> school.
>
> ####
> And, he didn't acquire a hall pass, let alone was it show-n-tell day!
>
>

I know but that never got reported to NICS.

[RD Sandman]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in
news:3rGdncENSNTzNQXP...@mchsi.com:

You would love Arizona. Concealed carry....no permit. The state will
issue you a permit but it only has two purposes. With a permit, you can
dine in a restaurant that serves alcohol (you are not to participate) and
you will have reciprocity with some other states.

There are four states, AFAIK, that do that. Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska,
Arizona and some parts of Montana.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:28:01 -0800
typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>>>>>> Gunner, have you noticed that the majority of these "mass shootings"
>>>>>> seem to happen when Democrats are in The White House? I see a black ops
>>>>>> brainwashing of perpetrators conspiracy going on. o_O
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it Dippy, you couldn't fid your ass with both hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does Virginia Tech fit into your master plan? Hmmmmmm?
>>>>
>>>> Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".
>>>

>>> You mean that like most Americans, the faculty and students didn't want
>>> to be surrounded by gun nuts,

Dippy doesn't know from bupkis. That was a decision made by
Progressive Democrat Administrators, who are not at all concerned with
the education or safety, of their "customers", viewing students as
income streams with issues attached.

>>
>>The you are saying Liberals Discriminate against people that exercise
>>their Constitutional RIGHTS?
>>

>>*But isn't that unconstitutional*
>>
>>Like Discriminating against people for their Religion which is a
>>constitutional RIGHT also?
>
>Ayup. Billy is one of those that consideres the Constitution to be
>nothing more than asswipe.

The Democrat Party has worked hard for their reputation as being
against the religious Christians, or those who actually believe that
the US Constitution's guarantees applies to everyone, including (if
not especially) those not part of a Democrat voting block.
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:22:59 -0600, RD Sandman

<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:

>GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
>news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>> "Billy" wrote in message
>>>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.
>>>> au ...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>>
>>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his
>>>mother and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took
>>>them to school.
>>
>> He did not take her guns.
>>
>> The guns were kept in his room and his mother forbidden entry.
>
>And they magically showed up in the back of the car or at the school
>without him taking them. Imagine that.

Nothing magical.

He had them in his room.

>
>She was the purchaser of the guns....not Adam.

He had possession of them however.

He did not kill his mother and take her guns..he always had them.

[Jeff M]

On 11/29/2013 11:03 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:28:01 -0800
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>>>>> Gunner, have you noticed that the majority of these "mass shootings"
>>>>>>> seem to happen when Democrats are in The White House? I see a black ops
>>>>>>> brainwashing of perpetrators conspiracy going on. o_O
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Face it Dippy, you couldn't fid your ass with both hands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does Virginia Tech fit into your master plan? Hmmmmmm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".
>>>>
>>>> You mean that like most Americans, the faculty and students didn't want
>>>> to be surrounded by gun nuts,
>
> Dippy doesn't know from bupkis. That was a decision made by
> Progressive Democrat Administrators, who are not at all concerned with
> the education or safety, of their "customers", viewing students as
> income streams with issues attached.

YOU don't know from bupkis. You are simply and quite mindlessly
regurgitating the old, ridiculous, right-wing, stereotype-filled,
anti-academic propaganda talking points you've been fed and that we've
all heard before.

>>> The you are saying Liberals Discriminate against people that exercise
>>> their Constitutional RIGHTS?
>>>
>>> *But isn't that unconstitutional*
>>>
>>> Like Discriminating against people for their Religion which is a
>>> constitutional RIGHT also?
>>
>> Ayup. Billy is one of those that consideres the Constitution to be
>> nothing more than asswipe.
>
> The Democrat Party has worked hard for their reputation as being
> against the religious Christians, or those who actually believe that
> the US Constitution's guarantees applies to everyone, including (if
> not especially) those not part of a Democrat voting block.

The Republican Party has worked hard to stereotype Democratic opposition
to hard-right pseudo-Christian fundamentalist fanaticism as being
directed against ordinary faithful Christians, which they are not, and
the Republicans actually believe that the US Constitution's guarantees
don't apply to everyone, especially those who are different than them or
who they suspect might vote for Democrats.


--
�The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

[RD Sandman]

GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
news:soih999l962jlsfgb...@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:22:59 -0600, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
>>news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>> "Billy" wrote in message

>>>>> news:wildbilly-3CB799.22070927112013@c-61-68-245-

199.per.connect.net.
>>>>> au ...
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and
their
>>>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed
when
>>>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>>>
>>>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his
>>>>mother and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took
>>>>them to school.
>>>
>>> He did not take her guns.
>>>
>>> The guns were kept in his room and his mother forbidden entry.
>>
>>And they magically showed up in the back of the car or at the school
>>without him taking them. Imagine that.
>
> Nothing magical.
>
> He had them in his room.

Yep, but they were *her* guns as she was the purchaser of them. Ergo, my
statement above is correct. He took her car and her guns to school.

>>She was the purchaser of the guns....not Adam.
>
> He had possession of them however.
>
> He did not kill his mother and take her guns..he always had them.

He did kill his mother and they were her guns. She may have bought them
to assist in bonding with Adam but the fact remains, she bought the guns,
he didn't.

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in
news:OPGdnUh9toYuUQXP...@giganews.com:

Damn, seems to me that the Democrats have worked just as hard to demonize
and stereotype Republicans and folks like you are on the forefront.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:44:54 -0800, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

wrote in tx.guns.

>I do not post in tx.guns.

From: "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
Newsgroups:
tx.guns,talk.politics.guns,misc.survivalism,rec.crafts.metalworking

[Jeff M]

Damn, seems to me that the Republicans here can pour out any amount of
of vitriol and lies about the Democrats with you ever batting an eye or
objecting in the slightest, but let someone return the favor and there
you are, rushing in to complain, object and defend the Republicans. You
are about as biased, subjective and partisan as they come.

[Guy Fawkes]

"No 'cull'; no 'list'; no 'those who keep the list'" <kill_gummer@soon> wrote
in news:aa997$5297716a$414e828e$29...@EVERESTKC.NET:

> No "list"; no "those who keep the list"; no "cull."
>
> It's all bullshit, gummer. You know it is, and we know you know.
>
>

Man are you gonna be surprised. You sound a little nervous.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.

[Billy]

In article <3rGdncENSNTzNQXP...@mchsi.com>,

I applaud your good taste.

> Virginia Tech as and still is a gun free zone.
> Every place - outside of where Giffords was shot - where a "mass shooting"
> has occured has been a gun free zone. Evidence is that James Holmes pick
> that theater in Colorado because it banned guns. Moreover, in case after
> case, it has been the appeaance of armed resistance that has precipitated
> the suicide of shooters. In several cases, shooters have been stopped and
> held by armed citizens.

Hopefully, the mental health section of the Affordable Health Care with
be enacted, allowing more people with mental problems to receive
treatment. Since most of these mass shootings seem to stem from mental
problems, this may reduce the magnitude of of this national plague.

>
>
> I support nationwide unrestricted carry; openly, concealed or not at all -
> your personal choice - no license required.

That is your right, however most Americans don't agree with you, and the
main reason more gun restriction legislation hasn't been passed is
because of the arms manufacturers, and their dupes at the NRA pour money
into election campaigns.

A majority of the American people don't want gun-nuts walking around
with loaded guns.

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx>
Guns - Gallup Historical Trends

If you were in a public place such as a restaurant or movie theater,
would you feel more safe -- or less safe -- if you knew concealed
firearms were allowed?

More safe Less safe No difference No opinion
2004 Nov 19-21
25% 65 8 2

A poll of registered voters conducted in April 2010 found that 57% feel
less safe when they learn that loaded concealed guns may lawfully be
carried in public. Fifty-six percent of registered voters oppose
allowing people to carry concealed guns in public, with 41% strongly
opposing concealed carry.2

A slight majority of Americans (52%) oppose laws that authorize the
carrying of concealed weapons.3

Another poll found that nearly 52% of Americans favor authorizing the
carrying of concealed weapons only for persons who demonstrate a special
need to carry a concealed weapon.4

A 1999 NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll found that 73% of Americans
disapprove of making it easier for people to legally carry concealed
weapons.5

Americans are more likely to feel less safe rather than more safe if
more people in their community acquire firearms. A study6 reviewing
surveys on public attitudes toward guns in the U.S. found:

? In a 1996 survey, that 59% of respondents would feel less safe as
more people in their community began to carry guns;

? In a 1999 survey, that an overwhelming majority said "No" in
response to questions regarding whether average citizens should be
allowed to bring their guns into restaurants (88%), college campuses
(94%), sports stadiums (94%), bars (93%), hospitals (91%), or government
buildings (92%).
<http://smartgunlaws.org/polling-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/>



Doesn't the majority have the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness without a gun filled environment?
--
Remember Rachel Corrie
<http://www.rachelcorrie.org/>

Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:50:24 -0800, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:

And the earth is flat...right?

Mass shootings in America: A history, 1999 through 2013

Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mass-shootings-central-american-history-article-1.1457514#ixzz2m3sxiiDM

[Jeff M]

In a word, NO. Fortunately, our core rights aren't dependent upon what
others happen to think or feel about our exercise of them. I'm sure
most Americans don't approve of the Klan holding public rallies, either,
even it it is unquestionably their right to do so.

Personally, I feel less safe, due not only to the violently criminally
inclined and dangerously mentally ill people out there, but also because
of all the people with only minimal firearms training, poor personal
judgment, and questionable psychological stability carrying guns out
there these days. In other words, I'm just as worried about running
into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into the sort
of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.

[Billy]

In article <3rGdncENSNTzNQXP...@mchsi.com>,

> >> > How does Virginia Tech fit into your master plan? Hmmmmmm?
> >>
> >> Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".
> >

Just a quick follow-up.

> >
>
> I do not post in tx.guns. Virginia Tech as and still is a gun free zone.
> Every place - outside of where Giffords was shot - where a "mass shooting"
> has occured has been a gun free zone. Evidence is that James Holmes pick
> that theater in Colorado because it banned guns. Moreover, in case after
> case, it has been the appeaance of armed resistance that has precipitated
> the suicide of shooters. In several cases, shooters have been stopped and
> held by armed citizens.

Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to
increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters
are less likely to hit their targets than police in these
circumstances." A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building
put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers
trained in counterterrorism confronted a gunman and wounded nine
innocent bystanders in the process.

How do law enforcement authorities view armed civilians getting
involved? One week after the slaughter at the Dark Knight screening in
July, the city of Houston--hardly a hotbed of gun control--released a new
Department of Homeland Security-funded video instructing the public on
how to react to such events. The six-minute production foremost advises
running away or otherwise hiding, and suggests fighting back only as a
last resort. It makes no mention of civilians using firearms.

<http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation
?page=1>

>
>
> I support nationwide unrestricted carry; openly, concealed or not at all -
> your personal choice - no license required.

<http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states
-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html>
20 Deadliest Gun States


Personally, I believe that our oligarchs encourage social polarization
through racism, red-baiting, abortion, and the toy like affection that
gun-nuts have for their weapons. As long as we are intent on these
issues, little things like legislation to give investment banks, fossil
fuel producers, and arms makers more tax dollars, while reducing
personal wealth and freedoms for the middle and lower classes, and
concentrating the selection of politicians into the hands of the rich.
Polarizing the public is a trick that has been used many times by the
CIA to destabilize foreign countries.

For more, see the movie below, "The Shock Doctrine".



Tea,
the new Kool Aid

[deep]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:47:47 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>Personally, I feel less safe, due not only to the violently criminally
>inclined and dangerously mentally ill people out there, but also because
>of all the people with only minimal firearms training, poor personal
>judgment, and questionable psychological stability carrying guns out
>there these days. In other words, I'm just as worried about running
>into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into the sort
>of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.

Agreed. And I'm a gun owner. I just don't like the idea of a bunch
of untrained gunnuts running around carrying weapons. More guns mean
more people getting shot, not less.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/26/2013 9:20 AM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 11/26/2013 5:49 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

>> On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:58:06 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>> <D...@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Read the Connecticut State's Attorney's Crime Report on the Sandy Hook
>>> Massacre
>>>
>>> The document offers insight into the history of the gunman and a
>>> timeline of the police response to the school.
>>

>> So?
>>
>> Does it offer any insight to the useless, knee-jerk responses of
>> politicians?
>
> Probably not. But it might offer some insight into the destructive
> Pavlovian responses of irrationally extremist and blindly fanatical gun
> lovers.
>
> Expect more mass shootings at schools, shopping malls and office parks
> near you. Preaching blind hatred and ignorant fear, while teaching that
> violence and guns are the only answer, is a potent recipe for making
> such disasters.
>


How come it's only leftists that seem to hear and obey this "preaching"?

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/26/2013 1:40 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 11/26/2013 12:18 PM, Mike Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:42:04 -0800, Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.n�t> wrote:

>>
>>> On 11/26/2013 6:20 AM, Jeff M wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/2013 5:49 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:58:06 -0800, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>>>>> <D...@null.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the Connecticut State's Attorney's Crime Report on the Sandy
>>>>>> Hook
>>>>>> Massacre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The document offers insight into the history of the gunman and a
>>>>>> timeline of the police response to the school.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it offer any insight to the useless, knee-jerk responses of
>>>>> politicians?
>>>>
>>>> Probably not. But it might offer some insight into the destructive
>>>> Pavlovian responses of irrationally extremist and blindly fanatical gun
>>>> lovers.
>>>

>>> Adam Lanza was a leftist.
>>
>> You are attempting to confuse a libtard with facts. They cannot be
>> confused by facts, due to their inability to understand what a fact
>> is.
>
> Your average rightard extremist, meaning a gullible, ignorant fool who
> is far below the intellectual, moral and cognitive attainment of normal
> people, wouldn't know a fact if it hit him upside his head with a 2 x 4,
> as demonstrated by the utterly inane and pointlessly silly comment
> above, as well as by what one usually sees in posts from you or your
> boyfriend here.
>


Kill that naughty messenger!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/26/2013 7:54 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:30:27 -0600, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:40:48 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/26/2013 12:18 PM, Mike Smith wrote:

>> See what I mean, Delvin...
>>
>> Mike Smith
>
> Notice Jeffy doesnt deny his Lanza was a leftist. He attempts to make
> people ignore this factoid by going off into lala land using as many
> insults as he can dream up.
>
> Typical of the mentally ill Leftwinger..sad really.
>
> Shrug
>
> Gunner
>

Jeffy adheres to his training very well, don't you think?

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in

news:2-OdnfjEIYilUgXP...@giganews.com:

I get on both sides but too many of the conservatives are so far into it
that no amount of banter will fix it. In your case, you used to be a lot
more neutral than you are now in your leftward drift. My point, which
you seem to have missed is that both sides are pouring out the vitriol.
I just pointed out that Democrats are just as bad on the demonizing as
the Republicans.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/28/2013 1:07 AM, Billy wrote:
>>

>> Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".
>
> You mean that like most Americans, the faculty and students didn't want

> to be surrounded by gun nuts, so they declared gun possession on campus

> against the law. The problem is that there are irrational people among

> us, and Cho Seung-Hui represented his group by killing 32 people and
> wounding 17 others on April 16, 2007, at Virginia Polytechnic.

And, just how well that gun-free zone worked out? Just about as well as
all the leftist gun-free zone massacres. Just pass a law that makes it
illegal to harm another person. There, that'll do it!

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:52:10 -0800, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>

wrote:

>
>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message

>news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com...

>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>> "Billy" wrote in message

>>>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>

>>>>>
>>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>>

>>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>>
>>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
>>>and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
>>>school.
>>
>> He did not take her guns.
>>
>>
>

>Yet he did.

Not according to the report.
Try reading it.

He didn't have to take any guns from his mother he already had
them in his room.

"A gun safe, where some weapons were stored, was in Adam Lanza's
bedroom
Investigators found a gun safe open and with no indication that it had
been broken into"

[Rudy Canoza]

Patently false. The number of guns goes up every year, even as the
number of shootings has fallen.

You're an idiot, Scheisskopf.

[Jeff M]

On 11/29/2013 1:06 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
[snip]

>> Expect more mass shootings at schools, shopping malls and office parks
>> near you. Preaching blind hatred and ignorant fear, while teaching that
>> violence and guns are the only answer, is a potent recipe for making
>> such disasters.
>>
> How come it's only leftists that seem to hear and obey this "preaching"?

It only seems that way to you because you are so generally clueless and
so sadly misinformed by Fox News and other right-wing propaganda organs.

[Jeff M]

Nah, that sort of thing is how regressive extremists, but not us normal
people, typically respond to unwanted facts, usually figuratively, but
sometimes literally.

[RD Sandman]

Billy <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in
news:wildbilly-287E0...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

We can hope, but I don't see anything in ACA that will improve the
transfer of information to NICS....or make it easier to get help in the
first place via commitments, both voluntary or involuntary. I see
nothing in there changing how HPAA handles that information or any easing
of state medical privacy laws.

>> I support nationwide unrestricted carry; openly, concealed or not at
>> all - your personal choice - no license required.
>
> That is your right, however most Americans don't agree with you, and
> the main reason more gun restriction legislation hasn't been passed is
> because of the arms manufacturers, and their dupes at the NRA pour
> money into election campaigns.

Interestingly, those arms manufacturers don't vote....just their
employees do....just like the employees at the local court house.
Senators and Representatives will usually vote as their constituents want
since they do wish to be reelected.

> A majority of the American people don't want gun-nuts walking around
> with loaded guns.
>
> <http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx>
> Guns - Gallup Historical Trends
>
> If you were in a public place such as a restaurant or movie theater,
> would you feel more safe -- or less safe -- if you knew concealed
> firearms were allowed?
>
> More safe Less safe No difference No opinion
> 2004 Nov 19-21
> 25% 65 8 2

You really ought to come up with different poll numbers....those are 10
years old.

> A poll of registered voters conducted in April 2010 found that 57%
> feel less safe when they learn that loaded concealed guns may lawfully
> be carried in public. Fifty-six percent of registered voters oppose
> allowing people to carry concealed guns in public, with 41% strongly
> opposing concealed carry.2
>
> A slight majority of Americans (52%) oppose laws that authorize the
> carrying of concealed weapons.3

I notice you did not cite the poll where either of those figures came
from nor have you in the other times you posted them.

> Another poll found that nearly 52% of Americans favor authorizing the
> carrying of concealed weapons only for persons who demonstrate a
> special need to carry a concealed weapon.4

Again, no cite.

> A 1999 NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll found that 73% of Americans
> disapprove of making it easier for people to legally carry concealed
> weapons.5

Probably 95% of those have no or little idea of how people are cleared
for carrying of concealed weapons. See, I can come up with uncited
figures, too.

> Americans are more likely to feel less safe rather than more safe if
> more people in their community acquire firearms. A study6 reviewing
> surveys on public attitudes toward guns in the U.S. found:
>
> ? In a 1996 survey, that 59% of respondents would feel less
> safe as
> more people in their community began to carry guns;
>
> ? In a 1999 survey, that an overwhelming majority said "No" in
> response to questions regarding whether average citizens should be
> allowed to bring their guns into restaurants (88%), college campuses
> (94%), sports stadiums (94%), bars (93%), hospitals (91%), or
> government buildings (92%).
> <http://smartgunlaws.org/polling-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/>

Now, your suvey is almost 15 years old but, at least you cited one.

> Doesn't the majority have the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit
> of Happiness without a gun filled environment?

The majority doesn't seem to really care or those politicos would have
voted differently for reasons stated above.

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in

news:DpednfW9vufIfAXP...@giganews.com:

Bingo!!

[RD Sandman]

deep wrote in news:jtoh99pjj8gl2j71c...@4ax.com:

Speaking of training...aren't you glad that no one carries 1911s anyumore
since that is old, obsolete technology?

[Jeff M]

On 11/29/2013 1:29 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> deep wrote in news:jtoh99pjj8gl2j71c...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:47:47 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Personally, I feel less safe, due not only to the violently criminally
>>> inclined and dangerously mentally ill people out there, but also because
>>> of all the people with only minimal firearms training, poor personal
>>> judgment, and questionable psychological stability carrying guns out
>>> there these days. In other words, I'm just as worried about running
>>> into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into the sort
>>> of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.
>>
>> Agreed. And I'm a gun owner. I just don't like the idea of a bunch
>> of untrained gunnuts running around carrying weapons. More guns mean
>> more people getting shot, not less.
>>
> Speaking of training...aren't you glad that no one carries 1911s anyumore
> since that is old, obsolete technology?

I'd strongly prefer my "old, obsolete technology" over any other of the
several pistols I own or any I could buy, if I were forced to use a
handgun in defense of life. Only its size and weight prevents it from
being among my everyday carry pistols. John Moses Browning was a genius.

I was awarded an opportunity to attend and recently completed the
Tactical Combat Casualty Care course, which was taught by Special
Forces, Pararescue,and Green Beret combat medics, and related types, all
with significant recent experience. It seems to be a widely common
preference, especially since military rules prevent the use of expanding
ammunition that partially offsets the somewhat mediocre terminal
performance of issue hardball 9mm.

[RD Sandman]

Billy <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in
news:wildbilly-1CEC7...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

That is a bullshit statement. Many concealed carry folks are also
hobbyists in regard to firearms and can outshoot their local police folk.
Many of us are also ex-military.

A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building
> put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers
> trained in counterterrorism confronted a gunman and wounded nine
> innocent bystanders in the process.

So, because of what happened you are going to refer to those law
enforcement officers as concealed weapons carriers?

> How do law enforcement authorities view armed civilians getting
> involved?

Many of them appreciate us. The ones who do not are usually police
chiefs or other political appointees.

For example, there are areas where I live that 911 response is measured
in hours if not days. Sheriff's deputies will tell you to get a couple
of good firearms and practice, practice, practice.

One week after the slaughter at the Dark Knight screening in
> July, the city of Houston--hardly a hotbed of gun control--released a
> new Department of Homeland Security-funded video instructing the
> public on how to react to such events. The six-minute production
> foremost advises running away or otherwise hiding, and suggests
> fighting back only as a last resort.

Of course....that is common sense. In situational handling of those
situations, the first thing to do is to find cover, not stand in the
middle of the street or aisle.

It makes no mention of civilians
> using firearms.
>
> <http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigati
> on ?page=1>
>
>>
>>
>> I support nationwide unrestricted carry; openly, concealed or not at
>> all - your personal choice - no license required.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-stat
> es -from-mississippi-to-arizona.html>
> 20 Deadliest Gun States

Well since there are only 50 of them, about half would have to be on one
side of that average line or the other. ;)

> Personally, I believe that our oligarchs encourage social polarization
> through racism, red-baiting, abortion, and the toy like affection that
> gun-nuts have for their weapons.

And I believe that you preach through ignorance.

As long as we are intent on these
> issues, little things like legislation to give investment banks,
> fossil fuel producers, and arms makers more tax dollars, while
> reducing personal wealth and freedoms for the middle and lower
> classes, and concentrating the selection of politicians into the hands
> of the rich. Polarizing the public is a trick that has been used many
> times by the CIA to destabilize foreign countries.
>
> For more, see the movie below, "The Shock Doctrine".

Is that where you get your information from.....movies?

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in

news:l4-dnaPqocUhdAXP...@giganews.com:

> On 11/29/2013 1:06 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Expect more mass shootings at schools, shopping malls and office
>>> parks near you. Preaching blind hatred and ignorant fear, while
>>> teaching that violence and guns are the only answer, is a potent
>>> recipe for making such disasters.
>>>
>> How come it's only leftists that seem to hear and obey this
>> "preaching"?
>
> It only seems that way to you because you are so generally clueless
> and so sadly misinformed by Fox News and other right-wing propaganda
> organs.
>
>

Well, I don't listen to Ed Burke or Rachel Maddow on MSNBC but I thought
that CNN would be rather neutral. BTW, Fox News is pretty good also. Have
you listened to it?

[RD Sandman]

Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in

news:aa6dne8pOfsfcwXP...@giganews.com:

> On 11/29/2013 1:29 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> deep wrote in news:jtoh99pjj8gl2j71c...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:47:47 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Personally, I feel less safe, due not only to the violently
>>>> criminally inclined and dangerously mentally ill people out there,
>>>> but also because of all the people with only minimal firearms
>>>> training, poor personal judgment, and questionable psychological
>>>> stability carrying guns out there these days. In other words, I'm
>>>> just as worried about running into another George Zimmerman type as
>>>> I am about running into the sort of person he mistook Trayvon
>>>> Martin for.
>>>
>>> Agreed. And I'm a gun owner. I just don't like the idea of a
>>> bunch of untrained gunnuts running around carrying weapons. More
>>> guns mean more people getting shot, not less.
>>>
>> Speaking of training...aren't you glad that no one carries 1911s
>> anyumore since that is old, obsolete technology?
>
> I'd strongly prefer my "old, obsolete technology" over any other of
> the several pistols I own or any I could buy, if I were forced to use
> a handgun in defense of life. Only its size and weight prevents it
> from being among my everyday carry pistols. John Moses Browning was a
> genius.

I agree but Dudu doesn't. He was in here for a couple of weeks whining
about them. He kinda quieted down when the names of over ten or twelve
current manufactuers of 1911s and clones were produced.

> I was awarded an opportunity to attend and recently completed the
> Tactical Combat Casualty Care course, which was taught by Special
> Forces, Pararescue,and Green Beret combat medics, and related types,
> all with significant recent experience. It seems to be a widely
> common preference, especially since military rules prevent the use of
> expanding ammunition that partially offsets the somewhat mediocre
> terminal performance of issue hardball 9mm.

I know about of the people that I know who carry, carry 1911s or clones.
I am not one of them, but then I am mostly a wheelman.

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:20:17 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:

>GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
>news:soih999l962jlsfgb...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:22:59 -0600, RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
>>>news:7eaf99dl47q0bvvav...@4ax.com:

>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:20:49 -0600, RD Sandman
>>>> <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Billy" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:wildbilly-3CB799.22070927112013@c-61-68-245-
>199.per.connect.net.

>>>>>> au ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and
>their
>>>>>>>death tolls get higher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed
>when
>>>>>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his
>>>>>mother and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took
>>>>>them to school.
>>>>
>>>> He did not take her guns.
>>>>

>>>> The guns were kept in his room and his mother forbidden entry.
>>>
>>>And they magically showed up in the back of the car or at the school
>>>without him taking them. Imagine that.
>>
>> Nothing magical.
>>
>> He had them in his room.
>
>Yep, but they were *her* guns as she was the purchaser of them. Ergo, my
>statement above is correct. He took her car and her guns to school.
>
>>>She was the purchaser of the guns....not Adam.
>>
>> He had possession of them however.
>>
>> He did not kill his mother and take her guns..he always had them.
>
>He did kill his mother and they were her guns. She may have bought them
>to assist in bonding with Adam but the fact remains, she bought the guns,
>he didn't.

Not in dispute.

That he didn't kill his mother to steal her guns, as many have
suggested, is the point being clarified here.

[deep]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:27:54 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:


>Interestingly, those arms manufacturers don't vote....just their
>employees do....just like the employees at the local court house.
>Senators and Representatives will usually vote as their constituents want
>since they do wish to be reelected.
>

You must be fucking joking. What planet do you live on? There's 8
lobbyists for every member of Congress. They may say whatever their
constituents want to hear, but then they follow the money.

[Jeff M]

On 11/29/2013 1:48 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in
> news:l4-dnaPqocUhdAXP...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 11/29/2013 1:06 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Expect more mass shootings at schools, shopping malls and office
>>>> parks near you. Preaching blind hatred and ignorant fear, while
>>>> teaching that violence and guns are the only answer, is a potent
>>>> recipe for making such disasters.
>>>>
>>> How come it's only leftists that seem to hear and obey this
>>> "preaching"?
>>
>> It only seems that way to you because you are so generally clueless
>> and so sadly misinformed by Fox News and other right-wing propaganda
>> organs.
>>
> Well, I don't listen to Ed Burke or Rachel Maddow on MSNBC but I thought
> that CNN would be rather neutral. BTW, Fox News is pretty good also. Have
> you listened to it?

I listen to or watch Fox News almost every day, and I rather like Shep
Smith. But MSNBC is likewise almost entirely out of the actual news
business these days as well, and I consider CNN to be less partisan, but
also rather mediocre, as a news source.

It seems that most of the murderers and mass murderers these days who
have a clearly identifiable political basis for their crimes are
right-wingers of one type or another, although most of them are just
plain homicidally crazy.

[Jeff M]

I was also mostly a wheelgun guy until the last 15 years or so. It's
what I started with, first was trained on, and what I carried on the job.

[Gunner Asch]

> In other words, I'm just as worried about
>> running into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into
>> the sort of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.
>>

Mistook Trayvon for?

Seems as though a court of law cleared Zimmerman of any wrong
doing..which would indicate that they believed as Zimmerman did..that
Trayvon was indeed a violent attacker who needed to be shot in that
circumstance.

You and RD both seemed to have missed that part in your mutual attacks
on Conservatives

Odd that there are little or no reports of legally armed citizens
going fuggazi..isnt it?

Funny that, if you both are correct. Which the data will show..you
are not.

Perhaps these conservatives were mistaken about the other guy(s) as
well?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRVPr1FeWMk

And these were mistakes about intent too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QikmCTgtxx8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I68_LG22VaE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9z331amWAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNf8v4m5Vdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eCrs_MXxo


__
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Heinlein

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:29:29 -0600, RD Sandman
<rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote:

>deep wrote in news:jtoh99pjj8gl2j71c...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:47:47 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Personally, I feel less safe, due not only to the violently criminally
>>>inclined and dangerously mentally ill people out there, but also because
>>>of all the people with only minimal firearms training, poor personal
>>>judgment, and questionable psychological stability carrying guns out
>>>there these days. In other words, I'm just as worried about running
>>>into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into the sort
>>>of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.
>>
>> Agreed. And I'm a gun owner. I just don't like the idea of a bunch
>> of untrained gunnuts running around carrying weapons. More guns mean
>> more people getting shot, not less.
>>
>
>Speaking of training...aren't you glad that no one carries 1911s anyumore
>since that is old, obsolete technology?

<VBG>

Gunner

__
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Heinlein

[deep]

Anybody who knows anything about firearms technology including the
vast majority of military and police units worldwide have adopted the
DA/SA 9mm. If someone desires more energy then the 10mm/.40 cal is
where they upgrade to. The SA only single stack 1911 has gone the
way of the SA revolver and is mostly used now by the nostaligic and
historical re-enactments.

[Jeff M]

"Marines Pick Colt for New Pistol
Jul 20, 2012
Military.com by Matthew Cox

The Marine Corps has tapped Colt Defense LLC to make more than 10,000
new Close Quarter Battle Pistols for the service's elite special
operations troops.

The July 19 contract, which has a total value of $22.5 million, brings
an end to the Corps' exhaustive search for the top .45 caliber,
1911-style pistol to replace the fleet of worn-out Marine Corps Forces
Special Operations Command, or MARSOC, M45 pistols."

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/07/20/marines-pick-colt-for-new-pistol.html

[Mike Smith]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:25:11 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

Thanks for posting another great example of the emotionally-based
delusional fantasies you libturds have. List after list of mass
murderers and their affiliations have been posted here repeatedly,
clearly indicting the liberal, progressive wing of the democrat nut
farm, yet you blindly hold onto your fantasy.

Mike Smith

[Jim Wilkins]

<deep> wrote in message
news:o8uh99tovanp2en3e...@4ax.com...

>
> Anybody who knows anything about firearms technology including the
> vast majority of military and police units worldwide have adopted
> the
> DA/SA 9mm. If someone desires more energy then the 10mm/.40 cal is
> where they upgrade to. The SA only single stack 1911 has gone the
> way of the SA revolver and is mostly used now by the nostaligic and
> historical re-enactments.

http://mscg.yuku.com/topic/3738
"The two biggest reasons we carry the .45 pistol," said Marine Maj.
Tracy Tafolla, "is a single-action loader is a little faster for the
Marines to use when conducting close-quarters battle."
"We get faster, stronger and more accurate shots that we just wouldn't
get with a double-action pistol," said Tafolla, head of the Special
Missions branch, III3rd Marine Expeditionary Force Special Operations
Training Group. That means Marines can get off a first round faster,
smoother and more accurately.


Now don't you feel ashamed of yourself for lying?

[ra...@conexus.net]

On 11/29/2013 12:31 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>
>> In other words, I'm just as worried about
>>> running into another George Zimmerman type as I am about running into
>>> the sort of person he mistook Trayvon Martin for.
>>>
>
> Mistook Trayvon for?
>
> Seems as though a court of law cleared Zimmerman of any wrong
> doing..which would indicate that they believed as Zimmerman did..that
> Trayvon was indeed a violent attacker who needed to be shot in that
> circumstance.

No, the jury said no such thing. They rendered no judgment on Martin at
all. They said simply that Zimmerman acted in self defense. That's
*all* they said.

[Jeff M]

>> plain homicidally crazy.
>
> Thanks for posting another great example of the emotionally-based
> delusional fantasies you libturds have. List after list of mass
> murderers and their affiliations have been posted here repeatedly,
> clearly indicting the liberal, progressive wing of the democrat nut
> farm, yet you blindly hold onto your fantasy.

Thanks for posting another great example of ignorant partisan nonsense.
Plenty of phony right-wing bullshit claims have been posted here
repeatedly, but that proves nothing to the non-gullible and non-true
believers in the Regressive mythos. Now, feel free to cite your list of
supposed left winger murderers and mass murderers who have a "clearly
identifiable political basis for their crimes" here. Use as much space
as necessary.
----
[O]n July 18, 1984 James Oliver Huberty, who told his wife he hated
�children, Mexicans and the United States� opened fire inside the
McDonald�s Restaurant in San Ysidro, CA using a Browning P-35 Hi-Power
9mm pistol, Winchester 1200 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, and an Israeli
Military Industries 9mm Carbine (Uzi) � all legally acquired. He killed
21 and injured 19 before he was shot dead by police.

On Aug. 10, 1999 White supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr., fired 70
rounds with an Uzi-type submachine-gun inside the lobby of the Jewish
Community Center in Granada Hills, CA wounding three children, a teenage
counselor and an office worker. He then carjacked a woman�s Toyota at
gunpoint, dumped it behind a motel and murdered US Postal Worker Joseph
Santos with a Glock 9mm handgun.

On July 27, 2008 Former U.S. Army private, Jim David Atkinsson, who
hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals, using a
Remington Model 48 12-gauge shotgun, murdered two people and injured
seven others inside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church
in Knoxville, TN.

The day after Obama�s inauguration, white supremacist Keith Luke went on
a killing spree in Brockton, Massachusetts. His goal was to kill as many
Jews, blacks and Hispanics as possible. When questioned by
investigators, the deranged gunman who had stockpiled hundreds of rounds
of ammunition, proclaimed that he was fighting the extinction of the
white race.

A little over a month later, Donnie Baker, a former Republican campaign
volunteer shot seven Chilean immigrants in Florida. Those who knew him
said he was obsessed with the fear that illegal immigrants were taking
over the country.

In April of 2009, Richard Popalowski, a white supremacist in Pittsburgh,
shot and killed three police officers following a domestic disturbance
call. He apparently thought that Obama was part of a government
conspiracy to seize all guns, and he feared the government would take
his guns away.

Later the same month, a Fort Walton Beach Florida man who thought the
Obama administration was conspiring against him, shot and murdered two
sheriff�s deputies.

On May 31, 2009 Dr. George Tiller was murdered in his own church by a
right-wing �pro- life� gun man who decided to express his belief in the
sanctity of human life by executing a medical doctor.

Eleven days later a right-wing white supremacist and Holocaust denier
walked into the National Holocaust Museum and killed an African-American
security guard. Two weeks later, three Neo-Nazis were arrested for
bombing a diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona.

On April 20, 2010 a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement was
arrested after a failed attempt to take over a Tennessee county courthouse.

Exactly one month later, in West Memphis Arkansas, Sovereign citizens
Jerry and Joe Kane murdered two police officers before they themselves
were shot and killed in the ensuing shoot out with police.

On July 18, 2010 Byron Williams, an angry unemployed man, was arrested
by police after they discovered a car full of weapons and ammunition
that he had planned to use to kill progressives. He was on his way to
the non-profit Tides Foundation Center, a favorite target of vitriol
from Glenn Beck�s radio show.

On Jan. 8, 2011 22-year old Jarold Lee Laughner killed six people,
including a judge and a nine-year old child, and wounded 13 others,
including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), using a 9mm Glock 19
pistol during a public meeting in a supermarket parking lot near Tuscon, AZ.

On Aug. 5, 2012 Wade Michael Page, a 40-year old white supremacist and
U.S. Army veteran murdered six people and wounded four others inside a
Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, WI with a Springfield XD(M) semi-automatic pistol.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-recent-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth

As for your idiotic delusions:

"The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a
myth

by Keith Darling-Brekhus, Tulsa FBI Examiner
January 20, 2013

Based on the assertions of Roger Hedgecock a right-wing radio show host,
the meme that the five worst recent mass shootings were committed by
registered Democrats is making its way through e-mail chains and social
media. Hedgecock asserts, without providing any evidence or sources,
that the Ft. Hood shooter, the Virginia Tech shooter, the Aurora Theater
shooter and Adam Lanza of Sandy Hook infamy were all �registered
Democrats�. He acknowledges that Klebold and Harris (the Columbine
Colorado shooters) were too young to be registered voters but asserts,
again without providing any evidence, that Harris and Klebold�s parents
were progressives or liberal Democrats. All of these charges are utterly
baseless and perhaps do not even deserve a response. However, given the
effectiveness of right-wing lies in saturating social media and duping
the incurious (a far too numerous segment of the population), some more
detailed debunking is in order.

To the best of my ability, I have attempted to research these claims
with as much rigor as possible. If there is any evidence for or against
my debunking, I welcome that evidence in the spirit of free inquiry. Let
me also state that given that neither major political party condones
mass shooter violence in any way, shape or form, and that all these acts
are individual acts of violence that are not sanctioned by either
elected Democrats or Republicans (at least not mainstream leaders in
either party), the very notion that they are acting on behalf of a
political party is itself problematic. This is not to say that mass
shootings are apolitical acts, but rather it is to say that as political
acts they may express an ideology (racism, misogyny, entitlement,
psychosis, etc) but they do not in general express alignment with a
political party or if they do it is not an association that the
Democrats or Republicans would accept as legitimate (neither party wants
to claim James Holmes or Adam Lanza as a member in good standing, no
matter what Holmes or Lanza feels about them). In any case, we can
categorically REJECT the notion that any of the shooters in question has
been shown to be a registered Democrat on a case by case basis.

1. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter) lived in either Virginia (his
state of residence prior to being sent to Ft. Hood) or Texas, neither of
which has partisan registration. Therefore the claim that he was a
"registered Democrat" is false. I do not know if he voted or how he
voted, but I do know that unless he was registered in a state in which
he did not reside, that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.

2. Since Virginia does not have partisan registration there is also no
way to tell whether Seung-Hui Cho was a Democrat, but again because
there is no partisan registration in the state we can say that the claim
that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE. (Update: A more obvious point
is that Cho was a resident alien, not a US citizen, so he was not
eligible to vote in the US)

3. The allegation that James Holmes was registered Democrat was based on
a Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who found voter registration
records for a DIFFERENT James Holmes who was about the same age. Alex
Jones� Infowars and other right-wing websites then dutifully repeated
the lie without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado
Theater Shooter James Holmes was NOT registered to vote, as evidenced by
this retraction: {Newly-released information on the suspect�s birthdate
(which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch),
combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the
suspect�s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in
fact, not have been registered to vote.}. However, most of right-wing
media continued to promote the lie without printing Breitbart sites
retraction. The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat is FALSE.

4. The claim that Adama Lanza is a registered Democrat has been
suggested based not on any evidence that he was registered as one, but
on the rather dubious claim that because Connecticut has almost 2 to 1
Democratic registration over Republicans, he was probably a Democrat.
(Claim: "Adam Lanza, NewtownConn murderer. Registered Democrats
outnumber Republicans by about a 2-1 ratio in Connecticut. The odds are
therefore that the Lanza family are (sic) Democrats.") This of course is
a bogus argument to begin with, but even if we were to make the claim
that a mass shooter�s political affiliation must be the same as the
majority of the people in his area, we can debunk this foolish idea by
taking this shoddy analysis down to the local level. Yes, Connecticut
voted for Barack Obama, BUT the city of Newtown voted for Mitt Romney.
If we look at the results we find that Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama
in Newtown by 7451-6784 votes or 51.7 percent to 47 percent. Republican
Senate candidate and Tea Party favorite Linda McMahon carried the city
over Democrat Chris Murphy by an even larger margin. Add in the other
information we have that Lanza�s mother was a �doomsday prepper� and a
home schooler in a Republican-leaning city and we can pretty well
dispense with the erroneous assumption that Lanza must have been a
Democrat (UPDATE: According to at least one media source, Nancy Lanza
was a registered Republican. The source does not provide a link, but the
author of this article is seeking further confirmation). We can
therefore claim that with no evidence to support the claim, the
assertion that Lanza was a Democrat is not demonstrated and that in the
absence of any evidence it is likely FALSE.

5. Klebold and Harris of course were not old enough to vote and they had
no apparent political affiliation. Allegations that they came from
families of Democrats or liberal progressives appear to have no sources
to substantiate those claims. What little ideology the boys demonstrated
owed mostly to an admiration for Timothy McVeigh not Ted Kennedy.
Harris� father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric Harris wanted to
join the Marine Corps. The boys lived in Littleton, Colorado a
relatively conservative and affluent suburb of Denver. The claim that
their parents were Democrats is UNSUBSTANTIATED. Any suggestion that the
two boys were Democrats is demonstrably FALSE.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-recent-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth

[deep]

Prove it asswipe.

>Mike Smith

[Jeff M]

I'm guessing he heard that lie from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Fox
News, and eagerly, unquestioningly gobbled it down whole, since it
panders to his own ignorant preconceptions, as intended.

[Oglethorpe]

"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message

news:mafh99h1vndlpjdob...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:44:54 -0800, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
> wrote in tx.guns

>
>>
>>"Billy" <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in message
>>news:wildbilly-54F2C...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>>> In article <4NKdnVE90q29mwvP...@mchsi.com>,
>>> "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Billy" <wild...@withouta.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:wildbilly-2DA54...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>>>> > In article <l73ivg$nf8$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> > The Daring Dufas <the-dari...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>>>> >

>>>> >> On 11/26/2013 6:52 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> >> > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:26:09 -0500, "Steve W."
>>>> >> > <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>

>>>> >> > Other than the fact he was a nutcase and this was known long
>>>> >> > before
>>>> >> > he
>>>> >> > came uncunted.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Gunner
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gunner, have you noticed that the majority of these "mass shootings"
>>>> >> seem to happen when Democrats are in The White House? I see a black
>>>> >> ops
>>>> >> brainwashing of perpetrators conspiracy going on. o_O
>>>> >>
>>>> >> TDD
>>>> >
>>>> > Face it Dippy, you couldn't fid your ass with both hands.
>>>> >

>>>> > How does Virginia Tech fit into your master plan? Hmmmmmm?
>>>>
>>>> Viginia Tech wa a liberal inspired "gun free zone".
>>>

>>> Sorry, I misidentified the author of this post as Gunneria Arshloch,
>>> when credit should have gone to the arschloch Oglethorpe, who name
>>> recalls Georgia, Jim Crow, Lester Maddox, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, and
>>> Jack Abramoff. Save your alligator tears, Oglethorpe. You are only one
>>> of many hypocrites to post here in tx.guns.
>>>
>>
>

>>"I do not post in tx.guns."
>

> The retard posts to tx.guns

You must be the retard then.

[Steve Rothstein]

On 11/28/2013 1:20 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
> news:5vadneCsCJNJEQrP...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Billy" wrote in message

>> news:wildbilly-3CB79...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au

>> ...
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> As more guns are privately owned, mass shootings increase, and their
>>> death tolls get higher.
>>>
>>> Yes, liberals would like fewer guns circulating in society.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks to liberals, the law abiding citizens were disarmed when
>> Adam Lanza illegally brought a gun.
>
> Adam Lanza did NOT buy a gun legally or illegally. He killed his mother
> and took her guns she had legally bought and her car and took them to
> school.
>
>

RD, just a minor technical correction here. The poster did not say
anything about Lanza buying a gun. The letter R in "brought" changes it
to the act of bringing a gun somewhere.

Of course, since it is an incomplete sentence that does not express a
full thought, I could be wrong in my interpretation also. I added the
clause "to the school" as an implied expression. It is possible that you
took the interpretation he meant and he just misspelled "bought", which
would make your statement a correct correction.

You know, it would be so much better if people would use proper grammar
and spelling in their posts. I guess that would be asking too much of
most posters.

Steve Rothstein

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Prove it, asswipe.

>>Thanks for posting another great example of the emotionally-based
>>delusional fantasies you libturds have. List after list of mass
>>murderers and their affiliations have been posted here repeatedly,
>>clearly indicting the liberal, progressive wing of the democrat nut
>>farm, yet you blindly hold onto your fantasy.
>>
>Prove it asswipe.

[chuckle]

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:32:10 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>

So where did Dudu get *his* lie? Oh right, you don't give a shit about
that.

[chuckle]