Unhinged Right Wing
Cliff
[
Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he and
other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a town-hall
meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby against universal
healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a fight broke out, ending in
six arrests.
Who threw the first punch depends on whom you ask. But who got the worst of it
was fairly clear. Gladney was taken to the emergency room with injuries to his
knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face and ended up in a wheelchair. His troubles
were just beginning. Recently laid off, this particular anti-health reform
protester, it turned out, had no health insurance. Last heard, he was still
accepting donations for his medical expenses.
It's not difficult to ridicule the American right. Its peculiar blend of
paranoia, mania, fantasy and misanthropy has been given full rein these past few
months. Those who demanded in July to see Obama's birth certificate (which does
exist) ended August invoking the British healthcare system's "death panels"
(which do not). That most of their claims were verifiably false was of little
consequence--to them at least. At one point they insisted that if scientist
Stephen Hawking were British and subject to the National Health Service, he
would be dead, even though Hawking is British, alive and grateful to the NHS for
his care.
So progressives could be forgiven for branding the right as stupid and crazy.
But they would also be wrong. For if this is madness, there is great method in
it. It is well organized and well funded. It has proven effective in mobilizing
support, creating "controversy" where little exists and disrupting and
disorienting whatever national conversation there is. If it is stupid, then what
does it say about us, since time and again it manages to outmaneuver the left?
Annoying, bizarre, incoherent, divisive, intolerant, small-minded, misinformed,
ill informed and disinformed, certainly. But stupid and crazy--anything but. It
takes considerable skill to convince people that something that is clearly good
for them--like universal healthcare--is not. If the right is crazy, it is crazy
like a Fox News presenter. Reducing a political strategy or belief to a
psychological disorder to dismiss and ridicule its proponents may be comforting.
But it also abandons any hope of defeating it or stymieing its influence beyond
therapy.
There are three important points to acknowledge about people like Gladney.
First, they are not new. The cold war in general and McCarthyism in particular
was built on lies, misinformation, obsession and guilt by the most tenuous of
associations .....
]
pandora
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/13/opinion/main5307094.shtml
> [
> Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he
> and other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a
> town-hall meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby
> against universal healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a
> fight broke out, ending in six arrests.
>
> Who threw the first punch depends on whom you ask. But who got the worst
> of it was fairly clear. Gladney was taken to the emergency room with
> injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face and ended up in a
> wheelchair. His troubles were just beginning. Recently laid off, this
> particular anti-health reform protester, it turned out, had no health
> insurance. Last heard, he was still accepting donations for his medical
> expenses.
Oh, the lovely irony!
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/13/opinion/main5307094.shtml
> [
> Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he and
> other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a town-hall
> meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby against universal
> healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a fight broke out, ending in
> six arrests.
>
>
Union thugs attacked a black man who dared express his own opinion about
something..
A glimpse at the utopia that Dear Leader "hopes" for..
Gunner Asch
>>
>> There are three important points to acknowledge about people like Gladney.
>> First, they are not new. The cold war in general and McCarthyism in
>> particular was built on lies, misinformation, obsession and guilt by the
>> most tenuous of associations .....
>> ]
You do understand dont you...that WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam and the
Balkans were all wars that Democrat Presidents sent troops into harms
way. do you not?
And it appears that the Obamassiah is increasing the US role in
Afghanistan by a significant number of troops.
I thought he wanted to get us out?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Is that really what happened? Then folks better start going armed if
there are further Democrat thugs at those meeting.
When attacked..shoot them. Hummmm Blue tshirts isnt that their uniform?
Gunner
Cliff
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/seiu-victim-kenneth-gladney-wants-hi
Looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault .... how much was he
being paid by rethugs?
>A glimpse at the utopia that Dear Leader "hopes" for..
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/0470feb3219207458625760b001142ac?opendocument
[
Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
]
--
Cliff
SaPeIsMa
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:ln2ua5dd9qsvbak3j...@4ax.com...
He's turning into an LBJ variant
Aratzio
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> got double secret probation for
writing:
And the wingnuts once more prove their ignorance of policy or
geography.
Thinking on it, probably it is both.
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:53:09 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <s7ira55tsuf1sfffs...@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/13/opinion/main5307094.shtml
> >> [
> >> Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he and
> >> other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a town-hall
> >> meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby against universal
> >> healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a fight broke out, ending in
> >> six arrests.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Union thugs attacked a black man who dared express his own opinion about
> >something..
>
> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/seiu-victim-kenneth-gladney-wants-hi
> Looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault .... how much was he
> being paid by rethugs?
Such an impartial source you use..
Can you explain why the 6 who attacked him went to jail ?
>
> >A glimpse at the utopia that Dear Leader "hopes" for..
>
>
> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/0470feb3219207458625760b001142ac?opendocument
> [
> Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
> we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
> them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
> mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
> overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
> ]
More ubsubstantiated lies...
Cliff
>In article <37gua5t65te5n8erf...@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:53:09 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <s7ira55tsuf1sfffs...@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/13/opinion/main5307094.shtml
>> >> [
>> >> Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he and
>> >> other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a town-hall
>> >> meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby against universal
>> >> healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a fight broke out, ending in
>> >> six arrests.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Union thugs attacked a black man who dared express his own opinion about
>> >something..
>>
>> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/seiu-victim-kenneth-gladney-wants-hi
>> Looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault .... how much was he
>> being paid by rethugs?
>
>Such an impartial source you use..
Still looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault ....
>Can you explain why the 6 who attacked him went to jail ?
Why don't you ask the police there?
Did Kenneth Gladney run off & hide?
>>
>> >A glimpse at the utopia that Dear Leader "hopes" for..
>>
>>
>> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/0470feb3219207458625760b001142ac?opendocument
>> [
>> Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
>> we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
>> them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
>> mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
>> overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
>> ]
>
>More ubsubstantiated lies...
Such as spending about two million dollars per day on it ....
--
Cliff
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:12:36 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <37gua5t65te5n8erf...@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:53:09 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <s7ira55tsuf1sfffs...@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/13/opinion/main5307094.shtml
> >> >> [
> >> >> Spare a thought, and maybe even a dime, for Kenneth Gladney. In August he and
> >> >> other members of the right-wing St. Louis Tea Party arrived at a town-hall
> >> >> meeting organized by Missouri Democrat Russ Carnahan to lobby against universal
> >> >> healthcare. In the spirit of this fraught summer, a fight broke out, ending in
> >> >> six arrests.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Union thugs attacked a black man who dared express his own opinion about
> >> >something..
> >>
> >> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/seiu-victim-kenneth-gladney-wants-hi
> >> Looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault .... how much was he
> >> being paid by rethugs?
> >
> >Such an impartial source you use..
>
> Still looks like Kenneth Gladney did the assault ....
I am sure I can find video that would make it look like Elvis is still
alive..
Wouldn't make it so..
>
> >Can you explain why the 6 who attacked him went to jail ?
>
> Why don't you ask the police there?
> Did Kenneth Gladney run off & hide?
No, they took him to a hospital..
But you knew that.
>
> >>
> >> >A glimpse at the utopia that Dear Leader "hopes" for..
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/0470feb3219207458625760b001142ac?opendocument
> >> [
> >> Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
> >> we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
> >> them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
> >> mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
> >> overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
> >> ]
> >
> >More ubsubstantiated lies...
>
> Such as spending about two million dollars per day on it ....
Source ?
ATP*
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2518855...@news.bytemine.net...
SEIU- union thugs? SEIU is one of the lamest unions ever. They're not
exactly the Teamsters and not known for thuggery.
Cliff
>I am sure I can find video that would make it look like Elvis is still
>alive..
About 7% of the US population believes Elvis is stiill alive.
Are they all wingers too?
Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>> >> [
>> >> Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
>> >> we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
>> >> them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
>> >> mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
>> >> overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
>> >> ]
>> >
>> >More ubsubstantiated lies...
>>
>> Such as spending about two million dollars per day on it ....
>
>Source ?
Look it up.
--
Cliff
tankfixer
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
Not my claim to prove...
Cliff
Show them to us then.
Put up or shut up.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Look it up. Check the news sources.
--
Cliff
tankfixer
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
Go to Montana...
Lookout
wrote:
>In article <l4d6b5tl96l110ve0...@4ax.com>,
>Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:18:52 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <q0b5b5l1n810qe6nf...@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:01:40 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I am sure I can find video that would make it look like Elvis is still
>> >> >alive..
>> >>
>> >> About 7% of the US population believes Elvis is stiill alive.
>> >> Are they all wingers too?
>> >>
>> >> Found those "WMDs" yet?
>> >
>> >Yup...
>>
>> Show them to us then.
>> Put up or shut up.
>
>Go to Montana...
AHAHHAH you fucking dumbass. Still playing the WMDs lie?
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
Are you claiming there are none in Montana ?
Cliff
Nope.
Look it up. Check the news sources.
[
A Common Cause study earlier this year
found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
spending.
]
That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
--
Cliff
Cliff
Found those "WMDs" yet?
BTW, DeadEye Dick moved. Closer to control central ...
--
Cliff
miguel
wrote:
>In article <ukk8b59iomh7rugk3...@4ax.com>,
>mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:51:10 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <l4d6b5tl96l110ve0...@4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:18:52 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <q0b5b5l1n810qe6nf...@4ax.com>,
>> >> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:01:40 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I am sure I can find video that would make it look like Elvis is still
>> >> >> >alive..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> About 7% of the US population believes Elvis is stiill alive.
>> >> >> Are they all wingers too?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Found those "WMDs" yet?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yup...
>> >>
>> >> Show them to us then.
>> >> Put up or shut up.
>> >
>> >Go to Montana...
>>
>> AHAHHAH you fucking dumbass. Still playing the WMDs lie?
>
>Are you claiming there are none in Montana ?
What is the relevance of that?
tankfixer
mun...@mungge.com says...
He asked for WMD...
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:56:32 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <46d6b5lstpu60ijd1...@4ax.com>,
> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:19:12 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <t4b5b55renppkopl1...@4ax.com>,
> >> >Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:01:40 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> [
> >> >> >> >> Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly
> >> >> >> >> we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of
> >> >> >> >> them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have
> >> >> >> >> mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by
> >> >> >> >> overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."
> >> >> >> >> ]
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >More ubsubstantiated lies...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Such as spending about two million dollars per day on it ....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Source ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Look it up.
> >> >
> >> >Not my claim to prove...
> >>
> >> Look it up. Check the news sources.
> >
> >Liar
>
> Nope.
> Look it up. Check the news sources.
So you have the link right there and you won't share it..
> [
> A Common Cause study earlier this year
> found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
> million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
> spending.
> ]
> That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
> and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
Care to research what the unions are spending on pushing thier side of
things ?
Aratzio
tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
writing:
>In article <el79b5hc61be4a4dp...@4ax.com>,
You need everyone to do all of your research for you. That way you can
insure that no information crosses the "brain - ignorance barrier"
that you cannot dismiss as biased.
Cliff
It's not just one link. It's public knowledge now. It's all over
if you were not too lazy to think.
>
>> [
>> A Common Cause study earlier this year
>> found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
>> million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
>> spending.
>> ]
>> That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
>> and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
>
>Care to research what the unions are spending on pushing thier side of
>things ?
What is "their side of things"? Most already get pretty good employer-paid
healthcare, right? Just look at the socialist medical care bush & cheney get ...
--
Cliff
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
So far he hasn't shown the research he claims backs up the assertions he
is making.
I don't expect him to be honest and look at what the Pro side is
spending every day to push thier agenda.
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
So you claim..
>
> >
> >> [
> >> A Common Cause study earlier this year
> >> found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
> >> million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
> >> spending.
> >> ]
> >> That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
> >> and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
> >
> >Care to research what the unions are spending on pushing thier side of
> >things ?
>
> What is "their side of things"? Most already get pretty good employer-paid
> healthcare, right? Just look at the socialist medical care bush & cheney get ...
Ask the unions then why they are spending so much money advertizing for
a "change"...
Aratzio
You moron, you demanded he do your research for you AFTER he presented
his evidence to support his claim.
Like I said, nothing crossed the "Brain - Ignorance barrier".
tankfixer
old "it's common knowledge" dodge..
Aratzio
That is called "evidence" you then demanded "Care to research what the
unions are spending on pushing thier side of things ?"
See, he posts "evidence" you demand he do your counter research
because you are too stupid to operate the "google machine".
Isn't English simple when someone explains it to you?
miguel
wrote:
Look up where the WHO ranks the US in health care among nations.
Perhaps that will answer your question.
Aratzio
miguel <mun...@mungge.com> got double secret probation for writing:
What is #37, far below those horrid socialists in Canada, England,
Sweden. Hell, we are even below Morocco. We do have it all over those
Slovenian bastiges.
We are
14th in preventable deaths!
24th in life expectancy!
2nd in health expenditures per as a percentage of GDP (What the fuck
are the Marshall Islands doing?)
So obviously when you total those numbers up, we have the best health
care system that the Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industries could
design for themselves.
Lets leave it just like it is, because gawd knows if it gets any worse
we are totally fucked.
John Q Public
Quote some more WHO numbers, we all know they are geared towards socialist
interpretations because they need to justify their huge taxes.
Why don't you give life expectancy numbers comparing disease survivability?
Its because they show were better
Take out the car deaths, deaths from sporting accidents and a host of
others and were better
so go fuck yourself and your fucked numbers
Cliff
What "agenda"?
Getting better health care for all at a lower price per person?
Did you drool on this ASCII?
<GAK>
Now the wingers want less health care for some at a higher price
and want to maintain low quality & responsability while getting
maximum bribes to the rethugs .... AND they lie wholesale.
You keep falling for their lies &BS. Sucker (tankfixer).
>> You moron, you demanded he do your research for you AFTER he presented
>> his evidence to support his claim.
>
>No, all he has done is make his claim.. When asked he falls back to the
>old "it's common knowledge" dodge..
>
You are entirely free to do your own added research.
As I stated, it's common knowledge so you will find
many cites.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Demonstrate otherwise.
(Thinking hurts wingers & the green ooze drools out.)
>>
>> >
>> >> [
>> >> A Common Cause study earlier this year
>> >> found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
>> >> million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
>> >> spending.
>> >> ]
>> >> That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
>> >> and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
>> >
>> >Care to research what the unions are spending on pushing thier side of
>> >things ?
>>
>> What is "their side of things"? Most already get pretty good employer-paid
>> healthcare, right? Just look at the socialist medical care bush & cheney get ...
>
>Ask the unions then why they are spending so much money advertizing for
>a "change"...
I guess they can count on their fingers. Probably even multiply too.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Little wonder they are spending nearly 2 million per day on
bribes & propaganda ... for wingers to buy.
>Lets leave it just like it is, because gawd knows if it gets any worse
>we are totally fucked.
CEO of United Healthcare gets about a million dollars per day ..... and
he's just one of them ....
BTW, IIRC The same advertising folks that sold "Cigarettes are good for you"
and "Swift Boat" and "There is no global warming" & other lies are probably
involved ..
BTW, Who was whining about health care costs driving US firms out of
business?
Guess what sort of health care places like Japan & Germany have.
And guess which employers are cutting benefits & charging their
employees ...
--
Cliff
No Bammer
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:51:22 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> got double secret probation for
> writing:
>
>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:ln2ua5dd9qsvbak3j...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:11:41 -0700, pandora <pan...@peak.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>There are three important points to acknowledge about people like
>>>>>Gladney.
>>>>>First, they are not new. The cold war in general and McCarthyism in
>>>>>particular was built on lies, misinformation, obsession and guilt by the
>>>>>most tenuous of associations .....
>>>>>]
>>>
>>>
>>>You do understand dont you...that WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam and the
>>>Balkans were all wars that Democrat Presidents sent troops into harms
>>>way. do you not?
>>>
>>>And it appears that the Obamassiah is increasing the US role in
>>>Afghanistan by a significant number of troops.
>>>
>>>I thought he wanted to get us out?
>>>
>>
>>He's turning into an LBJ variant
>>
>
>
> And the wingnuts once more prove their ignorance of policy or
> geography.
>
> Thinking on it, probably it is both.
You are talking about the Left wingnuts aren't you?
Aratzio
John Q Public <my2c...@me.com> got double secret probation for
writing:
Note: No actual data to refute the factual information, just lies. The
US pays more of its GDP for health care. So tell me the difference in
my pay check between a tax and a "premium". Then explain why Medicare
can provide health care for 4% overhead and UHC is 26% overhead per
premium dollar?
The US pays 16% of GDP, next closest is Canada with 10.5% GDP. They
have no uninsured, we have 17% and rising.
As long as those corporations keep telling you that the cock you suck
is a milk teet you won't ever wonder why the milk is so thin.
>Why don't you give life expectancy numbers comparing disease survivability?
Why would I, do you have the numbers from a world wide organiztion.
>Its because they show were better
Really, so we are good at one thing out of a multitude of
possibilities! Now is that disease survivability based upon treatment?
Because we do have 45,000 people a year who die because they don't get
treatment. You know don't have insurance. I'll bet they are not
counted in your numbers.
>Take out the car deaths, deaths from sporting accidents and a host of
>others and were better
You mean like drunk driving and guns? Yeah, most other countries don't
have to put up with those kinds of things because they have excellent
transist systems and they are not gun crazy retards.
>so go fuck yourself and your fucked numbers
Poor baby, if you had insurance I'd suggest that you could get
treament for the inversion problem.
Aratzio
No Bammer <noba...@earthlink.net> got double secret probation for
writing:
>Aratzio wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:51:22 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>>
>>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>>news:ln2ua5dd9qsvbak3j...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:11:41 -0700, pandora <pan...@peak.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>There are three important points to acknowledge about people like
>>>>>>Gladney.
>>>>>>First, they are not new. The cold war in general and McCarthyism in
>>>>>>particular was built on lies, misinformation, obsession and guilt by the
>>>>>>most tenuous of associations .....
>>>>>>]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You do understand dont you...that WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam and the
>>>>Balkans were all wars that Democrat Presidents sent troops into harms
>>>>way. do you not?
>>>>
>>>>And it appears that the Obamassiah is increasing the US role in
>>>>Afghanistan by a significant number of troops.
>>>>
>>>>I thought he wanted to get us out?
>>>>
>>>
>>>He's turning into an LBJ variant
>>>
>>
>>
>> And the wingnuts once more prove their ignorance of policy or
>> geography.
>>
>> Thinking on it, probably it is both.
>
<lets give a big round of applause for PeeWee Herman>
>You are talking about the Left wingnuts aren't you?
No, stupid, I am not.
Here is the hint: Obama ALWAYS said he was going to focus on
Afghanistan and increase the troops there while drawing down in Iraq.
Therefore the socio-political comment is wrong and the place where the
reduction in troops would occur is wrong.
Now, if you and the rest of the wingnuts would like to discuss any
other political or foreign policy issues I would suggest you have a
grasp of the subject matter so that the educated "elite" do not have
to make you look like you have split melons for heads.
tankfixer
mun...@mungge.com says...
If you think unions have anyones interests but thier own in mind you are
deluding yourself
tankfixer
so you want me to prove a negitive..
Thanks, no.. I will just accept yoru surrender now.
> (Thinking hurts wingers & the green ooze drools out.)
whenever a leftist is asked to back up his claim he just resorts to
"demonstrate otherwise" and jumps to silly insults..
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> [
> >> >> A Common Cause study earlier this year
> >> >> found that health care and insurance interests were spending a combined $1.4
> >> >> million per day over the first quarter. This study looked at insurance and HMO
> >> >> spending.
> >> >> ]
> >> >> That's just the tip of it .... then count the cost of those TV & print ads ...
> >> >> and Faux .... lies on the Web are probably pretty cheap ...
> >> >
> >> >Care to research what the unions are spending on pushing thier side of
> >> >things ?
> >>
> >> What is "their side of things"? Most already get pretty good employer-paid
> >> healthcare, right? Just look at the socialist medical care bush & cheney get ...
> >
> >Ask the unions then why they are spending so much money advertizing for
> >a "change"...
>
> I guess they can count on their fingers. Probably even multiply too.
Figured you wouldn't have a clue.
tankfixer
Seen that "quote"
If you can quote it then you must have had the link to the study..
Or do you just get quotes to use in your daily broadcast from Central ?
>
> That is called "evidence" you then demanded "Care to research what the
> unions are spending on pushing thier side of things ?"
Demand ?
No, suggested he look at both sides before condemning one side for
excesses.
>
> See, he posts "evidence" you demand he do your counter research
> because you are too stupid to operate the "google machine".
He posted a quote of unknown authenticity.
>
> Isn't English simple when someone explains it to you?
You seem th ebe the expert on Simple that is for sure.
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
Right.. you actually believe that line of,
"we are from the government and we are here to help" ?
>
> Did you drool on this ASCII?
> <GAK>
>
> Now the wingers want less health care for some at a higher price
> and want to maintain low quality & responsability while getting
> maximum bribes to the rethugs .... AND they lie wholesale.
Did you get the memo from Dear Leader about how he want's less
partisanship ?
Better check your fax machine before they cut you off the dole.
>
> You keep falling for their lies &BS. Sucker (tankfixer).
>
> >> You moron, you demanded he do your research for you AFTER he presented
> >> his evidence to support his claim.
> >
> >No, all he has done is make his claim.. When asked he falls back to the
> >old "it's common knowledge" dodge..
> >
>
> You are entirely free to do your own added research.
> As I stated, it's common knowledge so you will find
> many cites.
The good old "common knowledge" claim... Don't ya love it..
Like that one about the world being flat..
Aratzio
>In article <h94d9s$1h4$3...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
Really, what could anyone be thinking, of course the Insurance and
Drug industries are 100% behind the American worker.
Aratzio
Since it isn't my quote why would you need me to again do all your
research for you?
If you have any evidence contrary to that quote, please feel free to
show it.
>
>>
>> That is called "evidence" you then demanded "Care to research what the
>> unions are spending on pushing thier side of things ?"
>
>Demand ?
>No, suggested he look at both sides before condemning one side for
>excesses.
Yet you are completely incapable of doing anything to support any of
your beliefs besides demand people provide you evidence to support
your beliefs.
Your contraryt evidence goes here:
(You won't because it doesn't exist)
>
>>
>> See, he posts "evidence" you demand he do your counter research
>> because you are too stupid to operate the "google machine".
>
>He posted a quote of unknown authenticity.
And you were too stupid to figure out that you could just search in
google and find it in 10 seconds.
That "brain ignorance barrier" got in your way again.
>
>
>>
>> Isn't English simple when someone explains it to you?
>
>You seem th ebe the expert on Simple that is for sure.
oooo, smack!, from someone too stupid to use google.
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
Well.. isn't THIS interesting....
http://tinyurl.com/m2ud6m
A report of WHO is getting some of that evil insurance company money...
House Education & Labor Committee
Member Total Insurance Doctors Institutions Pharma
David Wu (D-OR) $530,360 $67,750 $347,810 $51,150 $63,650
Dennis J Kucinich (D-OH)$654,058 $31,900 $446,730 $120,734 $54,694
Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) $474,526 $45,250 $345,910 $62,200 $21,166
House Energy & Commerce Committee
Member Total Insurance Doctors Instit Pharma
Anna Eshoo (D-CA) $1,021,854 $77,650 $353,975 $84,987 $505,242
John D Dingell (D-MI) $1,701,258 $154,800 $831,424 $138,200 $576,834
Frank Pallone Jr (D-NJ) $2,916,718 $110,500 $2,152,991 $282,199 $371,028
Senate Finance Committee
Member Total Insurance Doctors Instit Pharma
Blanche Lincoln(D-AR)$6,289,814 $1,410,138 $2,277,968 $1,281,062
$1,320,646
Charles E Schumer (D-NY) $1,620,529 $460,350 $472,066 $427,613 $260,500
Max Baucus (D-MT) $2,604,524 $669,284 $799,964 $466,591 $668,685
Very interesting....
Aratzio
>Right.. you actually believe that line of,
>"we are from the government and we are here to help" ?
You would rather believe:
"We are the insurance company and our job is to provide coverage and
pay claims, rather than deny claims and cancel coverage after
receiving payment"
"We are the drug company, our job is to create cures rather than
treatments for which we then make billions"
(Watch, he won't understand the difference between treatment and cure)
Here is your hint:
The VA is the highest rated system by the users of any medical system
in the USA. Which is #2?
Evidence that the government can and does provide quality health care
never counts because the wingnuts don't like the government, except
for their benefits, and therefore it cannot actually be working as it
does.
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
At least I have a good idea who is paying your tab to post now...
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
So why are the authors of the bills prancing about with 1100 pages of
swill ?
Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
government take over health care..
Completely....
miguel
wrote:
What is a union's self-interest? Who are union officers? In union
elections who votes?
>> Really, what could anyone be thinking, of course the Insurance and
>> Drug industries are 100% behind the American worker.
>At least I have a good idea who is paying your tab to post now...
Really? Who might that be?
Aratzio
Yo, Alexa, inform Paul who pays me to post.
I do love a good cornspiracy theory.
Aratzio
So who do you imagine? Unless you feel that the Insurance and Drug
companies are more in tune with the American worker than say unions or
even the government? You could try to make the case that they are
better for workers than unions.
Aratzio
The HELP bill is 600 pages. Any other stupid comments that have
nothing to do with the point that the government operates the two
highest rated health care systems in the USA. I guess you are against
well run and efficient health care.
>Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
>government take over health care..
>Completely....
HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
cannot afford the medicare premiums.
Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
rooms for common health issues.
But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
getting subsidized health care.
Aratzio
miguel <mun...@mungge.com> got double secret probation for writing:
Last I heard it was the CIA.
tankfixer
There are a dozen or more bills. I cited the most common House bill,
HR3200.
It is simply 1100 pages of swill.
For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
the VA does now.
>
> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
> >government take over health care..
> >Completely....
>
> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
Would you care to ?
>
> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
>
> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
> rooms for common health issues.
The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
service agency for everyone.
>
> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
> getting subsidized health care.
Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
mouths.
Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
with it ?
tankfixer
Unions have done great things for the auto industry..
Cliff
>I do love a good cornspiracy theory.
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html
Aratzio
You claim you have not read any of the bills, so how do you know they
are swill, let alone why you have the idea you would understand them.
>
>For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
>ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
No.
>that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
>the VA does now.
Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
of those is a poorly run health care system.
The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
are quite good at it.
>
>
>>
>> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
>> >government take over health care..
>> >Completely....
>>
>> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
>> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
>> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
>> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
>> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
>
>I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
>never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
>
>Would you care to ?
Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
capable of describing.
>
>>
>> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
>> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
>>
>> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
>> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
>> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
>> rooms for common health issues.
>
>The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
>service agency for everyone.
So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
local care.
We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
and are closing the rural clinics.
>
>>
>> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
>> getting subsidized health care.
>
>Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
>mouths.
Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
subsidized health care?
>
>Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
>oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
>with it ?
Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
Aratzio
And yet you dodged the question engendered by your paranoid delusion.
Aratzio
Amused <truth@ru.s> got double secret probation for writing:
>On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:36:10 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
>Ratface will be lucky to be alive after this:
>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14962
>
>The insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies will all be
>bankrupt.
>
>
Come on Alexa, tell him for whom I work.
Aratzio
Amused <truth@ru.s> got double secret probation for writing:
>On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:36:10 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
>Here, try this:
>http://www.rense.com/general87/lindd.htm
>
>It probably would be a good idea if you all learned to speak Chinese.
>
Alexa, that sucks as a cornspiracy, you need to do better.
"The Great One"
"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:lvpib5hb7mnlhjgd2...@4ax.com...
Ratz, that sucks as trolling, you need to do better.
--
John C.
"The Great One"
"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:3upib5974vfpgq1c7...@4ax.com...
Then he'll know that you really are a "Mystery-Shopper" that dresses in Drag.....
--
John C.
Amused
Amused
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:57:18 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
Whiner!
tankfixer
When did I say I'd read none of the bills ?
Or making stuff up again are you ?
>
> >
> >For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
> >ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
>
> No.
So how do you intend to get to the VA's level of efficiency ?
>
> >that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
> >the VA does now.
>
> Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
> style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
> of those is a poorly run health care system.
Neither operate under US law either.
>
> The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
> not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
> are quite good at it.
Just as there are horror stories of the care they fail to deliver.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
> >> >government take over health care..
> >> >Completely....
> >>
> >> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
> >> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
> >> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
> >> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
> >> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
> >
> >I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
> >never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
> >
> >Would you care to ?
>
> Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
> Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
> capable of describing.
How many people are currently employed by health insurance companies ?
And how many would still have jobs after your plan is put in place ?
Got a plan to deal with the jump in unemployment you will cause ?
Not to mention the hit the finacial markets take when all those
insurance companies have to dump thier investments as the are forced out
of business..
>
> >
> >>
> >> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
> >> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
> >>
> >> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
> >> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
> >> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
> >> rooms for common health issues.
> >
> >The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
> >service agency for everyone.
>
> So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
> need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
> method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
> local care.
The VA is not intended for anyone other than Vets, you want care from it
sign up and earn it.
>
> We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
> that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
> and are closing the rural clinics.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
> >> getting subsidized health care.
> >
> >Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
> >mouths.
>
> Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
> So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
> subsidized health care?
>
> >
> >Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
> >oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
> >with it ?
>
> Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
Can't bring yourself to call me a racist ?
tankfixer
You shouldn't practice medicine without a license..
Aratzio
Coward
Aratzio
I'll whine as long as your current cornspiracy sucks.
Aratzio
You claimed you started to read them and quit. Unless you want to
claim otherwise?
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
>> >ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
>>
>> No.
>
>So how do you intend to get to the VA's level of efficiency ?
I don't, since I was talking about the fact the government is very
good at running health care. You have any evidence to counter that
fact or are you just going to continue to try strawmen that dont have
anything to do with what was written?
>
>>
>> >that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
>> >the VA does now.
>>
>> Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
>> style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
>> of those is a poorly run health care system.
>
>Neither operate under US law either.
VA and Medicare are not under US law? Really, since when? Maybe if you
tried having your reading make sense you could actually stay with the
conversation.
So here it is for the third time:
Which of the VA or Medicare is a poorly run health care system? Be
prepared to provide evidence to support your conclusion.
>
>>
>> The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
>> not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
>> are quite good at it.
>
>Just as there are horror stories of the care they fail to deliver.
Yes, in EVERY health care sytem there are, now show any evidence that
the the US Government health care SYSTEM is not well managed.
Individual horror stories are not evidence of the SYSTEM, simply local
failures, unless you can provide systemic evidence.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
>> >> >government take over health care..
>> >> >Completely....
>> >>
>> >> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
>> >> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
>> >> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
>> >> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
>> >> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
>> >
>> >I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
>> >never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
>> >
>> >Would you care to ?
>>
>> Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
>> Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
>> capable of describing.
>
>How many people are currently employed by health insurance companies ?
Is that a positive or a negative? How about: far too many.
>And how many would still have jobs after your plan is put in place ?
So, you are in favor of corporate socialism and welfare where rather
than taxes we are required to support inefficient corporations and
redistribute our payroll to the employees of the Insurance companies
and all of the people employed to shuffle the paper created by the
insurance companies.
Not very efficent use of your payroll dollar.
So if people lose their jobs so small and medium companies can pay for
health insurance for the rest of the employees, you are okay with them
being unemployed but those poor helpless insurance companies need to
be protected.
>
>Got a plan to deal with the jump in unemployment you will cause ?
Yes, small and medium companies will be able to hire employees since
their overhead will be lower.
>Not to mention the hit the finacial markets take when all those
>insurance companies have to dump thier investments as the are forced out
>of business..
Well, heaven forbid we should ever do anything that might upset the
poor defenseless Wall Street companies.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
>> >> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
>> >>
>> >> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
>> >> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
>> >> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
>> >> rooms for common health issues.
>> >
>> >The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
>> >service agency for everyone.
>>
>> So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
>> need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
>> method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
>> local care.
>
>The VA is not intended for anyone other than Vets, you want care from it
>sign up and earn it.
"va style"
Pay attention, stupid.
>
>
>>
>> We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
>> that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
>> and are closing the rural clinics.
Yeah, didn't think you would have much to say about actual health care
and the real effects in America, just how horrible it will be for
those poor insurance companies and their wall street pals.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
>> >> getting subsidized health care.
>> >
>> >Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
>> >mouths.
>>
>> Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
>> So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
>> subsidized health care?
>>
Well, you again run and hide. What a surprise, given how in favor of
uncontrolled greed and corporate welfare you are.
>> >
>> >Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
>> >oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
>> >with it ?
>>
>> Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
>
>Can't bring yourself to call me a racist ?
Do you feel I should?
Aratzio
Well, do explain how you came to your "conclusion" that you "have a
good idea who is paying your tab to post". Feel free to describe your
"thought" process.
Aratzio
Zombywoof <Zomby...@cox.net> got double secret probation for
writing:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:07:24 -0700, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>Well first you find a Civil War era facility. Then you staff it with
>people who know speak-da English. Lastly you get a real big room and
>have people expecting services sit in it all day long.
The even more piss ignorant file their briefs. Would be better if they
washed them first.
>>>
>>> >that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
>>> >the VA does now.
>>>
>>> Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
>>> style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
>>> of those is a poorly run health care system.
>>
>>Neither operate under US law either.
>>
>>>
>>> The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
>>> not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
>>> are quite good at it.
>>
>>Just as there are horror stories of the care they fail to deliver.
>>
>Well hells bells would you want your clinic run the way just about any
>Post Office in the U.S. I've ever been to does? Have one person
>manning the counter, 12 in the back on break, then close the facility
>on Saturday while at the exact same time taking out the self-service
>machines.
Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
Really are you that stupid? Amazing the delusions you retards will
create to support your idiotic beliefs.
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
>>> >> >government take over health care..
>>> >> >Completely....
>>> >>
>>> >> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
>>> >> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
>>> >> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
>>> >> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
>>> >> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
>>> >
>>> >I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
>>> >never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
>>> >
>>> >Would you care to ?
>>>
>>> Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
>>> Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
>>> capable of describing.
>>
>>How many people are currently employed by health insurance companies ?
>>And how many would still have jobs after your plan is put in place ?
>>
>>Got a plan to deal with the jump in unemployment you will cause ?
>>Not to mention the hit the finacial markets take when all those
>>insurance companies have to dump thier investments as the are forced out
>>of business..
>>
>No they don't have any plan other then saying they should max minimum
>wage just like they do.
BWAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAA
I love those idiots. When you haven't got anything germane, pretend
you are superior!!!!
Really, why don't you and paul explain how the bankruptcy of people
that have insurance and get cut-off is good for the economy. Then
explain the number of people who have lost their jobs because their
employer had to cut back because insurance costs have gone up.
Gobsmacking stupid is what you guys are.
"I gots mine, fuck everyone else"
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
>>> >> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
>>> >> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
>>> >> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
>>> >> rooms for common health issues.
>>> >
>>> >The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
>>> >service agency for everyone.
>>>
>>> So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
>>> need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
>>> method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
>>> local care.
>>
>>The VA is not intended for anyone other than Vets, you want care from it
>>sign up and earn it.
>>
>And once you do and find out what you'll actually get for your time in
>the bag, you'll end up asking for a Mulligan.
Poor baby, your military experience was not up to your standards? They
boot you for too much of "the stupid"?
>>
>>>
>>> We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
>>> that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
>>> and are closing the rural clinics.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
>>> >> getting subsidized health care.
>>> >
>>> >Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
>>> >mouths.
>>>
>>> Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
>>> So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
>>> subsidized health care?
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
>>> >oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
>>> >with it ?
>>>
>>> Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
>>
>>Can't bring yourself to call me a racist ?
>>
>I'm beginning to think being a Racist would be better then an
>Obamaist.
Of course you would.
The unintentional stupids are always the funniest.
"The Great One"
"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:pscqb5546i5jkleo6...@4ax.com...
No shit !!
--
John C.
"The Great One"
"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:p1eqb5l1frmc8s0qi...@4ax.com...
You go first......stupid Roz !!
--
John C.
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>
>
Umm..
Fedex and UPS...
Billions of items world wide sometimes overnight ..
AND they turn a profit...
tankfixer
I read enough to determine they are swill.
That is easy enough to determine for yourself, just open one at any
random section and start reading through a couple of sections.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
> >> >ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
> >>
> >> No.
> >
> >So how do you intend to get to the VA's level of efficiency ?
>
> I don't, since I was talking about the fact the government is very
> good at running health care. You have any evidence to counter that
> fact or are you just going to continue to try strawmen that dont have
> anything to do with what was written?
No strawman there, the only way you reach the VA's level of care is for
the government to take over all hospitals and clinics.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
> >> >the VA does now.
> >>
> >> Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
> >> style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
> >> of those is a poorly run health care system.
> >
> >Neither operate under US law either.
>
> VA and Medicare are not under US law? Really, since when? Maybe if you
> tried having your reading make sense you could actually stay with the
> conversation.
Brit NHS and the Canadian systems you fool.
You brought them up as examples of how to provide the care and I point
out neither are constrained by US laws.
>
> So here it is for the third time:
> Which of the VA or Medicare is a poorly run health care system? Be
> prepared to provide evidence to support your conclusion.
>
> >
> >>
> >> The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
> >> not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
> >> are quite good at it.
> >
> >Just as there are horror stories of the care they fail to deliver.
>
> Yes, in EVERY health care sytem there are, now show any evidence that
> the the US Government health care SYSTEM is not well managed.
> Individual horror stories are not evidence of the SYSTEM, simply local
> failures, unless you can provide systemic evidence.
Denying VN vets agent Orange coverage for 30+ years..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
> >> >> >government take over health care..
> >> >> >Completely....
> >> >>
> >> >> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
> >> >> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
> >> >> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
> >> >> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
> >> >> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
> >> >
> >> >I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
> >> >never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
> >> >
> >> >Would you care to ?
> >>
> >> Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
> >> Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
> >> capable of describing.
> >
> >How many people are currently employed by health insurance companies ?
>
> Is that a positive or a negative? How about: far too many.
How many will be employed by the new "improved" governmetn system... ?
>
> >And how many would still have jobs after your plan is put in place ?
>
> So, you are in favor of corporate socialism and welfare where rather
> than taxes we are required to support inefficient corporations and
> redistribute our payroll to the employees of the Insurance companies
> and all of the people employed to shuffle the paper created by the
> insurance companies.
Dodging the question.
>
> Not very efficent use of your payroll dollar.
>
> So if people lose their jobs so small and medium companies can pay for
> health insurance for the rest of the employees, you are okay with them
> being unemployed but those poor helpless insurance companies need to
> be protected.
Those small end medium companies will be going out of business in the
uber-depression Obamacare will spark.
>
>
> >
> >Got a plan to deal with the jump in unemployment you will cause ?
>
> Yes, small and medium companies will be able to hire employees since
> their overhead will be lower.
Really..
After they are mandated to pay for health care or pay increased taxes
thier overhead is lower ?
That's rather odd math.
>
> >Not to mention the hit the finacial markets take when all those
> >insurance companies have to dump thier investments as the are forced out
> >of business..
>
> Well, heaven forbid we should ever do anything that might upset the
> poor defenseless Wall Street companies.
Like them or not you blowup the finicial markets and the world goes into
the Dark Ages again
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
> >> >> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
> >> >>
> >> >> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
> >> >> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
> >> >> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
> >> >> rooms for common health issues.
> >> >
> >> >The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
> >> >service agency for everyone.
> >>
> >> So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
> >> need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
> >> method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
> >> local care.
> >
> >The VA is not intended for anyone other than Vets, you want care from it
> >sign up and earn it.
>
> "va style"
> Pay attention, stupid.
Sound like you want to take over all the hospitals and clinics then..
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
> >> that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
> >> and are closing the rural clinics.
>
> Yeah, didn't think you would have much to say about actual health care
> and the real effects in America, just how horrible it will be for
> those poor insurance companies and their wall street pals.
revenge never is a good motivator, you know that ?
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
> >> >> getting subsidized health care.
> >> >
> >> >Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
> >> >mouths.
> >>
> >> Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
> >> So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
> >> subsidized health care?
> >>
>
> Well, you again run and hide. What a surprise, given how in favor of
> uncontrolled greed and corporate welfare you are.
>
> >> >
> >> >Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
> >> >oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
> >> >with it ?
> >>
> >> Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
> >
> >Can't bring yourself to call me a racist ?
>
> Do you feel I should?
Could care less if you did, you'ld be wrong.
BUt that seems to be the word of the day for anyone who dares question
the Dear LEader.
Gray Ghost
news:79eqb5lho90vb1au1...@4ax.com:
> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>
> Really are you that stupid? Amazing the delusions you retards will
> create to support your idiotic beliefs.
>
If they are so efficient why are they always running at a loss? Profit is one
measure of effientcy. At least to nonmarxists.
Bill Noble
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C9291CFC94E9We...@216.196.97.142...
perhaps you would be surprised to learn that there is a thing called
"government services" that are not intended to make a profit - these include
not only the post office, but our military, police, fire, and rescue
operations. As you might recall, our founding fathers felt that post
capability was essential to bind the nation together.
Aratzio
>In article <79eqb5lho90vb1au1...@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>@sneakemail.com says...
>> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
>> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
>> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>>
>>
>
<WOW prove how stupid you are and have no clue how USPS works>
>Umm..
>Fedex and UPS...
>
>Billions of items world wide sometimes overnight ..
They may have in the course of their business handled billions. But
they do not handle even a fraction of the mail the USPS handles.
>AND they turn a profit...
They do not deliver to EVERY address in the USA and they are VERY
expensive.
I'd love to hear the wingnut whinage if the USPS started acting like
FedEx or UPS.
Now, let us see FedEx or UPS set up delivery 6 days a week to any
address in the USA for $0.46 per item.
Oh, and their error rates are higher.
More expensive, less service area and less quality. Yeah, great
examples.
Oh, the USPS sends mail worldwide too. They even have "airmail"
service. Really cheap too, lots less expensive than FedEx.
Aratzio
"They", you have read all 4 committee bills and the chairman's mark in
the finance committee.
Well, there has to be one especially "swill" passage in one of those 5
bills that you found specifically onerous? Maybe you can point to that
and explain why that is swill.
>That is easy enough to determine for yourself, just open one at any
>random section and start reading through a couple of sections.
I don't have to, I know how the sausage is made. You however proved
multiple times your complete lack of knowledge with respect to the
process and you believed that the bills could somehow just override
existing law, without repeal, and enable the federal government to
suddenly start funding abortions. Yet you could not supply even one
quote.
You have not read even a page and are just spewing talking points as
usual.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >For your other comment I'd ask, do you intend the government take over
>> >> >ever Hospital and clinic in the country ?
>> >>
>> >> No.
>> >
>> >So how do you intend to get to the VA's level of efficiency ?
>>
>> I don't, since I was talking about the fact the government is very
>> good at running health care. You have any evidence to counter that
>> fact or are you just going to continue to try strawmen that dont have
>> anything to do with what was written?
>
<Avoiding the question again with his strawman>
>No strawman there, the only way you reach the VA's level of care is for
>the government to take over all hospitals and clinics.
Do you have any evidence the government would not be good at running
health care given their ability to run VA and Medicare?
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >that would be the only way for them to deliver the same quaity of care
>> >> >the VA does now.
>> >>
>> >> Yes and yet you miss the point again. There were two. The Brit NHS
>> >> style VA and the Canadian style single payer medicare. Which of either
>> >> of those is a poorly run health care system.
>> >
>> >Neither operate under US law either.
>>
>> VA and Medicare are not under US law? Really, since when? Maybe if you
>> tried having your reading make sense you could actually stay with the
>> conversation.
>
>Brit NHS and the Canadian systems you fool.
So you cannot read like I said.
>You brought them up as examples of how to provide the care and I point
>out neither are constrained by US laws.
You illiterate stump. Try reading for comprehension (your hint is the
word "style":
"The Brit NHS style VA"
"Canadian style single payer medicare"
See how the NHS and Canadian are used to describe the type of model
for the VA and Medicare.
Now if you are done winning at your game of stupid, would you care to
give the original question a go?
>
>
>>
>> So here it is for the third time:
>> Which of the VA or Medicare is a poorly run health care system? Be
>> prepared to provide evidence to support your conclusion.
Maybe the fourth time is the charm?
Which of the VA or Medicare is a poorly run health care system? Be
prepared to provide evidence to support your conclusion.
I love that question, you wingnuts claim the government will not run
health care well because of "the post office" yet when faced with
actual empirical evidence that for decades the government has been
running high quality health care you run away and avoid the questons.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The two best are government run. So make you case the government is
>> >> not capable of running the health care system. I have evidence they
>> >> are quite good at it.
>> >
>> >Just as there are horror stories of the care they fail to deliver.
>>
>> Yes, in EVERY health care sytem there are, now show any evidence that
>> the the US Government health care SYSTEM is not well managed.
>> Individual horror stories are not evidence of the SYSTEM, simply local
>> failures, unless you can provide systemic evidence.
>
>Denying VN vets agent Orange coverage for 30+ years..
Yes, and that was corrected. Vets living the the CALVET home in
Yountville because of AO disabilities, fully paid for by VA.
Since that has been fixed you have anything current that might
actually be valid? Last I heard the VA started in 1998 with a backlog
of over 200,000 Vets with claims, many with AO claims. The current
backlog is down to 20,000 with most of those previous claims approved.
I'd call that a hell of a turn around and a pretty damn efficient
system.
Maybe you should find out which medical system was key to determining
drugs like Naproxen and Celebrex were causing heart failure. What
highly efficient computerized medical record system spotted the
clusters.
Really, if AO is the best you can come up with you are fucked. Oh and
it was primarily the Reagan and BushI administrations that fought
against the AO diagnosis and the Clinton admin that reversed it. Nice
how those republicans cared about the Vets.
>
>
>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Why not just go for what you seem to feel is the obvious choice, that
>> >> >> >government take over health care..
>> >> >> >Completely....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> HR.193 works for me. I like it, Medicare for all. Your current health
>> >> >> care premiums just shift over to Medicare rather than the insurance
>> >> >> companies and we get an instant +15% increase in usable health care
>> >> >> dollars. We then use that 15% more usable dollars to insure those that
>> >> >> cannot afford the medicare premiums.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've noticed that every person who champions the case you make above
>> >> >never addresses the huge impact it will have on the economy.
>> >> >
>> >> >Would you care to ?
>> >>
>> >> Since you bring it up, what do you imagine are the negatives?
>> >> Specifically what are the positives and the negatives that you are
>> >> capable of describing.
>> >
>> >How many people are currently employed by health insurance companies ?
>>
>> Is that a positive or a negative? How about: far too many.
>
>How many will be employed by the new "improved" governmetn system... ?
Some finite number. Your point, is that a plus or a minus?
>
>
>
>>
>> >And how many would still have jobs after your plan is put in place ?
>>
>> So, you are in favor of corporate socialism and welfare where rather
>> than taxes we are required to support inefficient corporations and
>> redistribute our payroll to the employees of the Insurance companies
>> and all of the people employed to shuffle the paper created by the
>> insurance companies.
>
<irony meters worldwide scream in anguish>
>Dodging the question.
BWAHAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAA
He has to claim that in the middle of the response because he gets it
rammed home in these following paragraphs:
>>
>> Not very efficent use of your payroll dollar.
>>
>> So if people lose their jobs so small and medium companies can pay for
>> health insurance for the rest of the employees, you are okay with them
>> being unemployed but those poor helpless insurance companies need to
>> be protected.
>
<Horror Story Delusional Talking Point Posited As Fact>
>Those small end medium companies will be going out of business in the
>uber-depression Obamacare will spark.
Really, you have evidence of that? Maybe a CBO scoring?
Here, lets use your favorite whine:
You have a link to support your lie?
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Got a plan to deal with the jump in unemployment you will cause ?
>>
>> Yes, small and medium companies will be able to hire employees since
>> their overhead will be lower.
>
>Really..
>After they are mandated to pay for health care or pay increased taxes
>thier overhead is lower ?
>
>That's rather odd math.
Now that was not math, you moron, that is policy.
Really, do you understand how insurance works and the methods by which
the for profit insurance companies make huge profits?
Here is your first clue: The larger the pool the less insurance costs.
Here is your second clue: There is a very large body of uninsured that
are also the healthiest segment of society.
Here is your third clue: How does every other country in the
industrialized world provide health care at 60% or less than our cost
of health care?
BTW: Which taxes. Be specific.
>
>
>>
>> >Not to mention the hit the finacial markets take when all those
>> >insurance companies have to dump thier investments as the are forced out
>> >of business..
>>
>> Well, heaven forbid we should ever do anything that might upset the
>> poor defenseless Wall Street companies.
>
>Like them or not you blowup the finicial markets and the world goes into
>the Dark Ages again
So, the health insurance companies are what support Wall Street. I bet
no one but you ever glommed to that fact.
You obviously think Life Insurance companies and Health Insurance
Companies are the same financial model. Really, do you ever have even
the slightest clue what you blither on about?
Wellpoint is just a service provider company, it does not "invest"
anything. No financial "blowup" if a service provider company goes
under, except for the investors of that service provider company.
>
>
>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Private Health Insurance: 78% of each premium dollar for health care.
>> >> >> Medicare: 96.5% of each premium dollar goes to health care.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
>> >> >> closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
>> >> >> provide quality free health care so that no one has to use emergency
>> >> >> rooms for common health issues.
>> >> >
>> >> >The VA is there to provide care the the countries vets, not be a social
>> >> >service agency for everyone.
>> >>
>> >> So you are against providing VA style health care for those most in
>> >> need of affordable health care and are satisfied with the current
>> >> method for them that clogs the emergency rooms because they have no
>> >> local care.
>> >
>> >The VA is not intended for anyone other than Vets, you want care from it
>> >sign up and earn it.
>>
>> "va style"
>> Pay attention, stupid.
>
>Sound like you want to take over all the hospitals and clinics then..
If you had not been distracted by your "stupid" you would have been
able to remember what was written right above (still quoted) that
described it all exactly.
"also would not be against expansion of the VA system to reopen the
closed unprofitable hospitals and clinics in poor and rural areas to
provide quality free health care"
See how easy that was, I already explained the detail of what I wanted
and no matter what your "stupid" told you, it was not anything like
what you wrote.
You could not directly address the point of "reopening" so you went
off on another of your fallacious strawmen and then lost track, again.
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We won't go into the horrors of emergency care in rural America now
>> >> that the for profit companies control so many of the health systems
>> >> and are closing the rural clinics.
>>
>> Yeah, didn't think you would have much to say about actual health care
>> and the real effects in America, just how horrible it will be for
>> those poor insurance companies and their wall street pals.
>
>revenge never is a good motivator, you know that ?
What revenge, you moron? People in the USA are without healthcare
because greedy fuckers like Health Insurance Companies and Wall Street
are in charge and that needs to change. Making the healthcare
affordable and available is a basic human right for all of our people,
not just those who are rich enough to afford it.
That you believe that corporations have more rights than the farmer
out in Iowa or the 20 year old kid just starting out in Harlem shows
how brain washed you are.
People are more important than corporate profit.
Go ahead, argue against that:
>
>
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I'll bet you would be against American farmers and poor people
>> >> >> getting subsidized health care.
>> >> >
>> >> >Like most leftists you are good at attempting to put words in peoples
>> >> >mouths.
>> >>
>> >> Where did I do that? I made a wager you illiterate.
>> >> So are you in favor of American farmers and the poor getting
>> >> subsidized health care?
>> >>
>>
>> Well, you again run and hide. What a surprise, given how in favor of
>> uncontrolled greed and corporate welfare you are.
Yep, you can't argue the against facts that are not addressed by
talking points.
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >Why don't you just follow Jimmy Carter's lead and call any who dare
>> >> >oppose the current ideas or even offer alternates racist and be done
>> >> >with it ?
>> >>
>> >> Go to see you illiteracy is not confined to my words.
>> >
>> >Can't bring yourself to call me a racist ?
>>
>> Do you feel I should?
>
>Could care less if you did, you'ld be wrong.
You brought it up, not me. Sounds like a guilty conscience.
>BUt that seems to be the word of the day for anyone who dares question
>the Dear LEader.
Your best argument is an Ad Hominem about the democratically elected
President of the United States of American.
What kind of halfwit would conflate the President of the United States
with a North Korean dictator?
Aratzio
grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) got double secret
probation for writing:
>Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
And the "stupid" just keeps on coming.
Here is your hint: Who controls the price of postage for the USPS?
http://www.mailers.org/For_Capitol_Hill_Staffers/fact_sheet_4.html
Now, if they were a for profit corporation like UPS or FedEx they
could charge whatever it costs to deliver the mail and alter it at
will. Of course all the wingnuts would have another hissy fit about
the inefficiency of the USPS because they raised the rates.
Yes, you are a hypocrite, you would whine if they raised rates and you
whine because they don't have a "profit".
I'll bet you don't even understand the long term effects of email upon
general delivery service.
Gray Ghost
news:br5tb5hkl78ftuke7...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:19:46 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) got double secret
> probation for writing:
>
>>Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>news:79eqb5lho90vb1au1...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
>>> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
>>> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>>>
>>> Really are you that stupid? Amazing the delusions you retards will
>>> create to support your idiotic beliefs.
>>>
>>
>>If they are so efficient why are they always running at a loss? Profit is
>>one measure of effientcy. At least to nonmarxists.
>
> And the "stupid" just keeps on coming.
Well you keep posting...
>
> Here is your hint: Who controls the price of postage for the USPS?
The same assholes who are promising us they can provide universal healthcare
that won't cost us a dime more than it does now and in fact will be chaeper
while providing better service.
Though I suppose the irony of that just whooshed past your head causing a
whistling noise in your ear that sounds a lot like an empty jug.
And so what if Congress control the postage rates, the USPS obviously cannopt
operate efficiently and make a profit. Suppose they could set thier own
rates, how much you figure a first class letter would be $1, $2?
>
> http://www.mailers.org/For_Capitol_Hill_Staffers/fact_sheet_4.html
>
> Now, if they were a for profit corporation like UPS or FedEx they
> could charge whatever it costs to deliver the mail and alter it at
> will. Of course all the wingnuts would have another hissy fit about
> the inefficiency of the USPS because they raised the rates.
>
> Yes, you are a hypocrite, you would whine if they raised rates and you
> whine because they don't have a "profit".
>
> I'll bet you don't even understand the long term effects of email upon
> general delivery service.
>
>
>
--
"Universal" American healthcare coverage, explained:
You get the "care" they approve for you, when they get around to it, if they
think your life is worth saving. And you'll pay for everyone's care, too,
whether or not they've paid in, whether or not they deem you valuable enough
to care for, 'cause they think your money is valuable enough to steal.
Aratzio
>Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>news:br5tb5hkl78ftuke7...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:19:46 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) got double secret
>> probation for writing:
>>
>>>Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>news:79eqb5lho90vb1au1...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
>>>> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
>>>> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>>>>
>>>> Really are you that stupid? Amazing the delusions you retards will
>>>> create to support your idiotic beliefs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If they are so efficient why are they always running at a loss? Profit is
>>>one measure of effientcy. At least to nonmarxists.
>>
>> And the "stupid" just keeps on coming.
>
>Well you keep posting...
"I know you are but what am I"
Wow, you did that so much better than PeeWee.
>
>>
>> Here is your hint: Who controls the price of postage for the USPS?
>
>The same assholes who are promising us they can provide universal healthcare
>that won't cost us a dime more than it does now and in fact will be chaeper
>while providing better service.
No, not even close. But then you do exude the "stupid". I wonder what
information could have been gleaned by reading the link provided?
>
>Though I suppose the irony of that just whooshed past your head causing a
>whistling noise in your ear that sounds a lot like an empty jug.
The irony of you being completely wrong, even with the link provided?
>
>And so what if Congress control the postage rates, the USPS obviously cannopt
>operate efficiently and make a profit. Suppose they could set thier own
>rates, how much you figure a first class letter would be $1, $2?
The level of ignorance you just displayed is quite amazing. I even
gave you an opportunity to not look like a complete moron with the
link to how the USPS rate are set.
Nothing says wingnut like proudly proving your complete ignorance.
Gray Ghost
news:iactb5hje86fnjg02...@4ax.com:
Damn, forgot to put your dumb ass back in the bozo bin.
There we go.
Aratzio
Poor little baby. You get made to look the fool that you are and then
you run away like the usual moral coward of the right.
Are there any wingnuts with any balls at all? Is there even a one of
you pathetic drooling wankstains capable of presenting an argument
based upon fact?
Bring me your best wingnut and I will make him run away.
Wingnuts of the world unite, the Ratz is gonna kick your ass.
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:18:33 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
> writing:
>
> >> You claimed you started to read them and quit. Unless you want to
> >> claim otherwise?
> >
> >I read enough to determine they are swill.
>
> "They", you have read all 4 committee bills and the chairman's mark in
> the finance committee.
>
You mean the chairmans markup he was unwiling to give comittee members
time to read before voting on ?
Aratzio
>In article <i32tb5tuskc13p8ii...@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
>@sneakemail.com says...
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:18:33 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> You claimed you started to read them and quit. Unless you want to
>> >> claim otherwise?
>> >
>> >I read enough to determine they are swill.
>>
>> "They", you have read all 4 committee bills and the chairman's mark in
>> the finance committee.
>>
>
<Full Talking Point Mode For Winger>
>You mean the chairmans markup he was unwiling to give comittee members
>time to read before voting on ?
What vote? How about a link to the vote you think occurred on the
finance committee.
Nice snip-n-run so you never answered the real question:
Cliff
From now on send your letters via FedEx or UPS.
--
Cliff
tankfixer
@sneakemail.com says...
>
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:27:59 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
> writing:
>
> >In article <i32tb5tuskc13p8ii...@4ax.com>, a6ahlyv02
> >@sneakemail.com says...
> >> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:18:33 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> >> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
> >> writing:
> >>
> >> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >> You claimed you started to read them and quit. Unless you want to
> >> >> claim otherwise?
> >> >
> >> >I read enough to determine they are swill.
> >>
> >> "They", you have read all 4 committee bills and the chairman's mark in
> >> the finance committee.
> >>
> >
>
> <Full Talking Point Mode For Winger>
> >You mean the chairmans markup he was unwiling to give comittee members
> >time to read before voting on ?
>
> What vote? How about a link to the vote you think occurred on the
> finance committee.
>
> Nice snip-n-run so you never answered the real question:
> Do you have any evidence the government would not be good at running
> health care given their ability to run VA and Medicare?
They very well might do a good job.
But first you have to acknowledge that would require the complete
takeover of every medical clinic and hospital.
Aratzio
No, they do not. There are several methods beyond that simplistic and
quite stupid concept.
1. Single Payer Insurance (See Canada).
2. Hybrid Government & Private (See France)
3. Government subsidized private insurance (???Germany???)
Government runs the overall system however private system provides the
care.
miguel
wrote:
When you get boxed into a corner you change the subject. Every time.
You're a dishonorable coward.
miguel
wrote:
He won't. He'll change the subject with some snide aside taken
straight from some dumbass right wing talking asshole.
Aratzio
miguel <mun...@mungge.com> got double secret probation for writing:
He was completely consistant in not having even the slightest amount
of knowledge or accuracy in his question.
SaPeIsMa
"miguel" <mun...@mungge.com> wrote in message
news:h9pehj$onc$2...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
You mean like your "snide aside"" you dumbass left-wing asshole ?
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Wow, are you ever stupid. I'd love something as efficient as the Post
>>> Office. Send billions of pieces of mail, every year, to any address in
>>> the USA, in 3 days or less, with an accuracy of 99.992%.
>>>
>>> Really are you that stupid? Amazing the delusions you retards will
>>> create to support your idiotic beliefs.
>>
>> If they are so efficient why are they always running at a loss? Profit is
>> one
>> measure of effientcy. At least to nonmarxists.
>
> perhaps you would be surprised to learn that there is a thing called
> "government services" that are not intended to make a profit - these include
> not only the post office, but our military, police, fire, and rescue
> operations. As you might recall, our founding fathers felt that post
> capability was essential to bind the nation together.
The Founding Fathers never intended for there to be a standing military.
The Militia are every able-bodied adult citizen, whose job it is to
defend the country against invaders.
Remember the Constitution?
"Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."
The rest are local issues, and none of the FedGov's business.
Hope This Helps!
Rich