OT - GOP...the Party of NO : Where's your health care plan?
Too_Many_Tools
Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
TMT
Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
WASHINGTON – Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's
health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being
hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
Republican leaders chose not to draft their own comprehensive bill,
focusing instead on attacking Democrats' plans as too costly and
bureaucratic. Some prominent Republicans now fear they are getting
tagged as the "party of no," and they want the GOP to offer more
solutions to the nation's health care problems.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a potential GOP presidential contender in
2012, said it's time for Republicans "to pivot and say, in addition to
emphasizing what we oppose, here are our proposals" for health care.
The two parties can agree on some important improvements, he said in
an interview Thursday, but Democrats must trim their proposed costs.
Democrats, meanwhile, see a rare chance to go on the offensive in the
debate, which has sometimes seemed dominated by fiery attacks on
Obama's proposals.
"The Grand Old Party's coffers are empty when it comes to health care
reform," Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Democrats' second-
ranking Senate leader, said Thursday.
A new CBS-New York Times poll found that only 14 percent of Americans
think Republicans have clearly explained their plans to change the
health care system, while 76 percent do not. Obama's numbers were
better, though not stellar: 37 percent yes, 55 percent no.
Aware of the criticisms, House Republican leaders have compiled lists
of bills and principles that various colleagues have offered this
year. But even the whole list combined doesn't match the breadth and
detail of the massive Democratic-crafted health care bills that have
moved through five congressional committees and may soon reach the
House and Senate floors in some form.
Democrats scoff at the Republican proposals, calling them skimpy
outlines that would do little if anything to make health care more
affordable and efficient. The Republicans' repeated calls for health-
related tax cuts, without credible spending cuts to offset them, would
dramatically increase the deficit, Democrats say. They note that no
major GOP proposal has been subjected to scrutiny by the nonpartisan
Congressional Budget Office, which has given cost estimates for the
Democratic proposals.
Speaking to union activists recently about health care, Obama taunted
his Republican critics. "What's your answer?" he asked. "What's your
solution?"
"You know what?" he continued. "They don't have one."
Privately, Republican lawmakers have debated the pros and cons of
offering their own comprehensive legislation in the Democratic-
controlled Congress. A leader on the issue, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.,
said on June 17, "I guarantee you, we will bring you a bill that costs
far less, far less than the Democrats' and will provide better results
for the American people."
A month later, Blunt seemed to have changed his mind.
"Our bill is never going to get to the floor," he wrote in a blog, "so
why confuse the focus? We clearly have principles; we could have
language, but why start diverting attention from this really bad piece
of work they've got to whatever we're offering right now?"
Eventually, other Republican leaders in Congress agreed with that
analysis.
Several Republicans in Congress have introduced narrow bills — many
calling for tax cuts — that have gone nowhere in Congress and
generated scant notice. That's just fine with some conservative
activists.
"We have plenty of time to work next year on sensible and targeted
health reform in a bipartisan way," Weekly Standard editor William
Kristol recently wrote. "But first we need to get rid of Obamacare."
With Republicans offering few detailed ideas, some Democrats have
ascribed sinister motives. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., caused an uproar
when he said in a House speech that Republicans want sick Americans to
"die quickly."
Perhaps the most comprehensive list of GOP health proposals is in the
"Republican Solutions Handbook" assembled by the House Republican
Conference, although it covers only one page.
The first two items in this Republican plan would pursue long-standing
conservative goals: limit medical malpractice suits filed by
"overzealous trial lawyers" and devote more resources to stopping
"waste, fraud and abuse" in Medicare and Medicaid.
Proposed tax cuts, meant to help Americans buy health insurance, would
go to workers without employer-provided health plans and to low-income
people. The GOP plan also would encourage businesses that provide
health insurance to automatically enroll all employees, who could opt
out if they wanted.
Blunt's official Web site lists more than 20 bills introduced by
Republicans, which have virtually no chance of passage. Some touch on
the same topic, such as reining in medical malpractice lawsuits.
Several call for tax cuts. One, by Rep. Edward Royce, R-Calif., would
allow up to $500 of unused benefits in a health flexible spending
account to be carried to the next year without tax penalties. Another
would allow tax breaks on insurance premiums for long-term care.
Such bills are neither comprehensive nor offset by spending cuts or
revenue increases, said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., a member of the
House Democratic leadership team.
Republicans "are afraid to put anything on the table," he said,
"because the American people would see it doesn't address the
problem."
Van Hollen predicted the Republicans will fail if they think they "can
beat something with nothing."
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On the Net:
Republican health care proposals: http://blunt.house.gov/Read.aspx?ID1204.
Buerste
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
The Democrats' plan will be unveiled 20 minutes before "You have to vote on
this NOW or the world will end!". And, it will be full of pork and
"Gotcha's" that nobody but the fringe left wants or needs and nobody can
afford.
The conservatives have presented numerous plans that the Democrats refuse to
consider and the State Run Media refuse to report.
Ed Huntress
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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They looked at them, but they thought they were some kids' letters to Santa
Claus.
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Ed Huntress
Too_Many_Tools
> "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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> > "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >>So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
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> > The Democrats' plan will be unveiled 20 minutes before "You have to vote
> > on this NOW or the world will end!". And, it will be full of pork and
> > "Gotcha's" that nobody but the fringe left wants or needs and nobody can
> > afford.
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> > The conservatives have presented numerous plans that the Democrats refuse
> > to consider and the State Run Media refuse to report.
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> They looked at them, but they thought they were some kids' letters to Santa
> Claus.
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> Ed Huntress
In crayon.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
So winger...here is your chance to bypass the StateRun Media...post
the Republican Plan.
TMT
Fred B. Brown
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
Many of the amendments to HR 3400 are from the Republicans, like tort
reform, allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines to lower
costs,
seems the Democrats keep voting them down. The Dems are hell bent on
imposing a public option so the government can eventually take over all
healthcare coverage. Why? There will be a surplus of money Congress can
siphon off for other uses just like they have been doing for years whith
Social
Security. If the private sector can earn billions in profits, think what the
government would have control of if it was the sole provider of health
insurance.
It ain't about insuring the uninsured, it's about control of healthcare
profits.
Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
TMT
Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
WASHINGTON � Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's
Several Republicans in Congress have introduced narrow bills � many
calling for tax cuts � that have gone nowhere in Congress and
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
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> Many of the amendments to HR 3400 are from the Republicans, like tort
> reform, allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines to lower
> costs,
> seems the Democrats keep voting them down. The Dems are hell bent on
> imposing a public option so the government can eventually take over all
> healthcare coverage. Why? There will be a surplus of money Congress can
> siphon off for other uses just like they have been doing for years whith
> Social
> Security. If the private sector can earn billions in profits, think what the
> government would have control of if it was the sole provider of health
> insurance.
> It ain't about insuring the uninsured, it's about control of healthcare
> profits.
>
> Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
>
> TMT
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> Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
> By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
> Associated Press Writer
> Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
>
> calling for tax cuts — that have gone nowhere in Congress and
Excuse, excuse, excuse.
Where is the REPUBLICAN health bill?
TMT
nraclaptrap
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> On Oct 2, 1:50�pm, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> ... So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
Looks like they're going ahead with doing nothing.
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NRACLAPTRAP
Buerste
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Especially those stupid ideas about torte reform, standardized medical forms
and crossing state lines for insurance! Damn those stupid conservatives for
their stupid ideas!
John R. Carroll
The crossing State lines thing is a real Red Herring Tom.
You can do it now - even here in California, as long as your provider will
register and abide by reserve requirements and so forth.
What's up for grabs, and important, is letting individuals organize and
purchase coverage as a group.
Even a retard like you ought to understand the value of that to individuals.
Organizing individuals to form the largest and most influential group
possible is the smart business model.
That group would be constituted from any American that wanted to
participate.
If they didn't, they would be free as a bird to overpay for rescission or
whatever other fate they would be dealt.
There isn't a single prohibition being proposed to preclude that.
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John R. Carroll
Buerste
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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Speaking of retards, how does the loss of all your stupid investments feel?
Still stings I'd bet! Sucks to be you! Good thing you still get your
cheese-check...which I pay for. I wish you'd stop using MY money to buy
booze and drugs.
Ed Huntress
Oh, there's a fine set of window dressings. Let's take a look:
1) Tort reform: The Republicans dominated Congress and had a Republican
president for most of the last decade. But they said little and did nothing
about tort reform. Since 1978, when I first reported on it, Republicans have
yelled for tort reform when they're out of power and then they shut up about
it when they're in.
The fact is, Tom, they've every bit as much in the tank with the trial
lawyers as the Democrats are. They've hardly lifted a finger to do anything
about it when they had the votes to do so. It's one of their pet hobby
horses to talk about when they know they'll never have to do anything.
You say you attend NAM meetings. NAM has been one of the most forceful
promoters of tort reform, in the form of product-liability laws, since the
'70s. You ought to ask them what's happened to it when they had Republican
majorities to work with.
Next:
2) Standardized medical forms: What a great idea! Obama made it one of his
planks during the campaign. I wonder where the Republicans got the idea? <g>
Estimates by several health organizations, who favor the same thing, say
that it will save a few percent. Good start. Again, they had years to do
something about it, but it sounded too much like "regulation" of private
business. So they sat on their asses and did nothing.
And the cherry on top::
3) Crossing state lines for insurance: Put on your thinking cap, Tom.
Picture a long balloon. Squeeze it at one end. Watch where the air goes.
That's what happens to our money when you start shifting the community pool
from one state to another: it gets fatter in one place and skinnier in
another. But there's still the same amount of air -- or our money -- in the
balloon.
Collectively, those are a wish-list to Santa, none of which they've ever
bothered with when they could have done something about, and all of which
are more hot air than substance.
Thus, the Republican "proposals" are nothing more than political bullshit.
Or, as I said, letters to Santa Claus, which sound good but which make one
scratch his head about why we're just hearing from them now.
I think you know the answer.
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Ed Huntress
Too_Many_Tools
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He knows...he just won't admit it.
Typical hypocrite.
TMT
Buerste
The root of the problem is, yes we need health care reform...it's just that
the Democrats can't be trusted. They have to ram through everything before
it can even be read? what's that all about? I know they are losing ground
daily on every issue and want to fulfill their agendas before they lose ALL
credibility and political capital. 2010 will be a VERY interesting election
cycle and if the Democrats don't accomplishing something GOOD for America
(and not just the fringe left), they are going to lose big.
Curly Surmudgeon
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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Yet more evidence that you are too stupid and childish to be rich.
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Too_Many_Tools
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And the Republicans can be trusted?
ROTFLMAO
TMT
Buerste
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
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Mention booze and drugs and look who shows up!
Buerste
ROTFLMAO
TMT
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No. But infinitely more than Democrats.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Wasn't he the one who was going to give gunner a good paying job, with
> insurance, and a free house for gunner's brood? What ever happened with
> that?
Yes, Buerste was. I also gave him an opportunity to double his riches
when he "bet" that the Republicans would win in a landslide in 2012.
Which he weaseled out of.
> Yeah, I've got gunner filtered, so I wouldn't see his bragging about the
> new job. However, I didn't filter Buerste, so I should be seeing him
> crying about how he has been paying gunner for the past four months or
> so and has yet to see gunner at work.
Buerste is about to join Gunner in the Bozo bin. Another lamer
fabricating an on-line persona, hurling invective that he is unable to
back up and claiming to be "rich." As if that gives his childish grunts
any authority...
Buerste
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> insurance, and a free house for gunner's brood? What ever happened
> with that?
>
> the new job. However, I didn't filter Buerste, so I should be seeing
> months or so and has yet to see gunner at work.
I just talked to Gunner yesterday with some questions about VFDs and renewed
my job offer. There never was a free house in the deal nor have I sent him
money other than for purchases of equipment. He won't move, at least not
yet. But the job offer is open, I'm confident his skills would make money
for me. I know he has a work ethic...something you libtards don't
understand. So, does your cheese-check come in the mail today? You can go
get a bunch of 40s and score some drugs! Life is good for you!
HH&C
> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
> Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
>
> TMT
You ask where my health care plan is???
It's in the top file drwaer next to my other policies, that's where.
I have homeowners insurance, auto insurance, life insurance, etc.
So, Tool, where's your health care plan?
Compact Adolescent
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Upstairs, in his mommies mattress. Every time you hear it squeak, someone is
making a "deposit".
Bama Brian
> On Oct 2, 1:50 pm, "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:180bb6f1-cbb1-47ff...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>>
>> Many of the amendments to HR 3400 are from the Republicans, like tort
>> reform, allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines to lower
>> costs,
>> seems the Democrats keep voting them down. The Dems are hell bent on
>> imposing a public option so the government can eventually take over all
>> healthcare coverage. Why? There will be a surplus of money Congress can
>> siphon off for other uses just like they have been doing for years whith
>> Social
>> Security. If the private sector can earn billions in profits, think what the
>> government would have control of if it was the sole provider of health
>> insurance.
>> It ain't about insuring the uninsured, it's about control of healthcare
>> profits.
>>
>> Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
>> By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
>> Associated Press Writer
>> Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
>>
>> calling for tax cuts � that have gone nowhere in Congress and
Why the fuck should there be one?
John R. Carroll
>>> calling for tax cuts � that have gone nowhere in Congress and
Heatlh-Care Bill or Republican?
--
John R. Carroll
Gunner Asch
The fact of the matter is...they will loose their lives. Unfortunately.
Well..for some of them it will be unfortunate.
others....a tip of the hat and a small bit of irish jig will be
appropriate.
Gunner
Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Gunner Asch
Im definately keeping your offer in mind Tom. Most definately. And
Ohio is moderately gun friendly, you are close to the lake for sailing
and it actually snows now and then from what I understand. Things to
consider indeed.
Many thanks.
Gray Ghost
Too_Many_Tools
You mean the revolver with one round chambered for when the pain
becomes too much?
You do realize that without changes your premiums will go up by 66%
soon?
That is if you pay any premiums.
You sound like one of those on the public dole.
TMT
Beam Me Up Scotty
Right next to Obama's.
Compact Adolescent
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:33:06 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
> I keep him around so that I will know when gunner goes tits up again.
> He says that he offered gunner the job again, but gunner likes being
> unemployed. For that, he commends gunner on his strong work ethic.
>
> I think that he and gunner have at least one thing in common. Neither
> have a two dimes to rub together, so they have to fabricate a life to
> give them a reason to wake up each day.
How's the mall cop job going, you loser?
Compact Adolescent
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
> Just because you show us your great plan for jumping off a cliff, does
> not mean I'm going to come up with an even bigger and better way to
> kill myself.
>
> You go right ahead. Pass ObamaCare, kill off the medical system, kill
> of the countries economy. I prefer not to be party to the destruction
> you are hell bent on reeking. It's your death when the voters figure
> out they have been duped by the libs and there is probably no way to
> recover.
He will be among the first to go in the Great Cull.
Buerste
> that's a liberal idea and it's what got gunner where he is today. So,
> you say that you are offering him a full time job and he is turning
> you down. I guess that makes him willfully unemployed doesn't it? You
> may want to rethink that lie about not offering him a house for his
> inbreeds. Google is not your friend.
I'd bet you're union if you really DO work. How many times has the union
prevented you from being fired for cause? Do you have a "union" bumper
sticker? I bet you dooooo!
Compact Adolescent
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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Mall cop union.
Buerste
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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I'm wondering if mass graves or should I buy stock in the funeral business?
Can the bodies be rendered into fuel for SUVs? That would be appropriate.
Gunner Asch
Hummm...good question indeed. Frankly..Id wish for mass graves, but
suspect most will be planted with all due ceremony..at least..the
MuckaMucks..over a month or 3.
Shrug
John Husvar
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote:
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> I'm wondering if mass graves or should I buy stock in the funeral business?
> Can the bodies be rendered into fuel for SUVs? That would be appropriate.
NYSE:
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wmbjk...@citlink.net
>I just talked to Gunner yesterday with some questions about VFDs and renewed
>my job offer.
Your original offer showed some gullibility IMO, but your alleged
renewal makes your lack of intelligence too obvious for even the most
sympathetic reader to ignore.
> There never was a free house in the deal nor have I sent him
>money other than for purchases of equipment.
No surprise there. If you included a house, then he might come, which
would make you responsible for adding another deadbeat to your county.
I don't believe for a second that you can afford to provide him health
insurance, particularly since you already wimped out on providing any
details of how you'd manage that. He'd grab his chest some day soon,
your neighbors could see from these archives that you brought him in
against all better judgment, and then where would you be?
> He won't move, at least not
>yet.
He can't afford to move. His place costs him next to nothing because
he's shameless enough to ignore bills. He wouldn't be able to get away
with that at a new place.
>But the job offer is open, I'm confident his skills would make money
>for me.
LOL I'd love to see you two get together, and especially to read how
gummer's making you money at the same time he's cranking out 7000
posts per month.
> I know he has a work ethic
No, you just pretend that he does. How can he have a work ethic if
he's been piling up liens for 27 years http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp,
much of it at the same time he's sitting on his ass posting that the
economy was great?
>...something you libtards don't
>understand.
Great job of advertising your inability to think. The fact is that
there are deadbeats of every political persuasion. Gummer just happens
to be on one extreme side. The only tie between his hypocritical
politics and his deadbeatitis is that his time-wasting addiction to
posting kook opinions contributed to his insolvency.
> So, does your cheese-check come in the mail today? You can go
>get a bunch of 40s and score some drugs! Life is good for you!
First you deny facts, and then you make some up. You've become as lame
as gummer. I used to believe that you owned a successful business, but
now I assume that everything you write is the same level of BS as
gummy's. I doubt I'm alone in that opinion change.
Wayne
wmbjk...@citlink.net
wrote:
>I'm wondering if mass graves or should I buy stock in the funeral business?
One of the other kooks already told us months ago that this fantasy
revolution was to start last June. If you believed in it, and if you
really had any money to invest, then you'd have made your moves a long
time ago, and you wouldn't be advertising your wisdumb to your
competition. All you seem to do these days is write nonsense, which
says everything about you, including the fact that you're too stupid
to realize it.
Wayne
HH&C
> On Oct 3, 2:26 pm, "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Oct 2, 10:47 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
> > > Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
>
> > > TMT
>
> > You ask where my health care plan is???
>
> > It's in the top file drwaer next to my other policies, that's where.
>
> > I have homeowners insurance, auto insurance, life insurance, etc.
>
> > So, Tool, where's your health care plan?
>
> You mean the revolver with one round chambered for when the pain
> becomes too much?
No, dummy. That's the revolver your two moms play roulette with.
When the pain becomes too much, you want a revolver with with six
rounds in it so you don't chicken out ofter the first "click."
> You do realize that without changes your premiums will go up by 66%
> soon?
And when I quit my insurance, I fall back on something I earned
through military service.
But for you, the government wants to give you for free what I have
earned with service to my country, years of hardship, and danger.
What were your dates of service again?
> That is if you pay any premiums.
Of course I pay premiums. Then I also pay some for each visit and
each prescription.
> You sound like one of those on the public dole.
You sound like someone who wants to be on the public dole. The
murderous resentment is clear.
TriCare is my secondary insurance. I prefer to have better insurance
than TriCare, though, so I pay for it.
Now be a good boy and go pay for yours so I don't have to.
HH&C
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
> not mean I'm going to come up with an even bigger and better way to
> kill myself.
>
> You go right ahead. Pass ObamaCare, kill off the medical system, kill
> of the countries economy. I prefer not to be party to the destruction
> you are hell bent on reeking. It's your death
I think it's being called "The Great Cull."
This is when you get to ask how much rope to bring without getting
into trouble for it.
> when the voters figure
> out they have been duped by the libs and there is probably no way to
> recover.
I'm reminded of Antietam, where we killed over 27,000 of ourselves in
a single day.
Then President Linclon fired McClellan because he didn't kill enough
that day.
People who talk of revolution need to get a grip.
Peter Franks
> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
>
> TMT
>
>
> By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
> Associated Press Writer
> Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
>
> health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being
> hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
How about you just buy your own plan of your own free will and choice?
Why do you feel the need to force people to comply with your wishes?
Compact Adolescent
"Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
news:hab3qa$n3k$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
Now that's a capitol idea!
RD (The Sandman)
september.org:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>>
>> Or did you misplace it like you did the WMDs?
>>
>> TMT
>>
>>
>> Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
>> By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
>> Associated Press Writer
>> Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON � Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's
>> health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being
>> hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
>
> How about you just buy your own plan of your own free will and choice?
> Why do you feel the need to force people to comply with your wishes?
>
Hell, most of what needs to done is to just make it illegal to refuse a
policy due to pre-existing conditions, remove the barrier of state lines
and let the policies compete nationally, make it illegal to cancel a
policy in the middle of treatment or when a person involuntarily loses
their job, put in tort reform to stop "defensive testing" and put them on
Medicare when they retire or go on disability as they do now.
Now, to pay for it, clean up the fraud and waste in Medicare/Medicaid
that's being claimed and let Medicare negotiate with Big Pharma on drug
prices. After all, that is how the Democrats state that their plan will
be deficit neutral.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Fear is the foundation of most governments."
President John Adams
Buerste
"John Husvar" <jhu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:jhusvar-013949...@news.eternal-september.org...
I wonder if we can get a "Green" grant from Obama?
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:33:06 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:43:10 -0400, Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:57:51 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
>>> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:45:09 -0400, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>> news:98WdnfFlaevDGlvX...@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Buerste wrote:
>>>>>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4ac614a3$0$22509$607e...@cv.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:3voxm.225602$cf6.1...@newsfe16.iad...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> news:180bb6f1-
>>>>cbb1-47ff-865...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Democrats' plan will be unveiled 20 minutes before "You have
>>>>>>>>> to vote on this NOW or the world will end!". And, it will be
>>>>>>>>> full of pork and "Gotcha's" that nobody but the fringe left
>>>>>>>>> wants or needs and nobody can afford.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The conservatives have presented numerous plans that the
>>>>>>>>> Democrats refuse to consider and the State Run Media refuse to
>>>>>>>>> report.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They looked at them, but they thought they were some kids'
>>>>>>>> letters to Santa Claus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially those stupid ideas about torte reform, standardized
>>>>>>> medical forms and crossing state lines for insurance! Damn those
>>>>>>> stupid conservatives for their stupid ideas!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The crossing State lines thing is a real Red Herring Tom. You can
>>>>>> do it now - even here in California, as long as your provider will
>>>>>> register and abide by reserve requirements and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's up for grabs, and important, is letting individuals organize
>>>>>> and purchase coverage as a group.
>>>>>> Even a retard like you ought to understand the value of that to
>>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>> Organizing individuals to form the largest and most influential
>>>>>> group possible is the smart business model. That group would be
>>>>>> constituted from any American that wanted to participate. If they
>>>>>> didn't, they would be free as a bird to overpay for rescission or
>>>>>> whatever other fate they would be dealt. There isn't a single
>>>>>> prohibition being proposed to preclude that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John R. Carroll
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of retards, how does the loss of all your stupid
>>>>> investments feel? Still stings I'd bet! Sucks to be you! Good
>>>>> thing you still get your cheese-check...which I pay for. I wish
>>>>> you'd stop using MY money to buy booze and drugs.
>>>>
>>>>Yet more evidence that you are too stupid and childish to be rich.
>>>
>>> Wasn't he the one who was going to give gunner a good paying job, with
>>> insurance, and a free house for gunner's brood? What ever happened
>>> with that?
>>
>>Yes, Buerste was. I also gave him an opportunity to double his riches
>>when he "bet" that the Republicans would win in a landslide in 2012.
>>Which he weaseled out of.
>>
>>> Yeah, I've got gunner filtered, so I wouldn't see his bragging about
>>> the new job. However, I didn't filter Buerste, so I should be seeing
>>> him crying about how he has been paying gunner for the past four
>>> months or so and has yet to see gunner at work.
>>
>>Buerste is about to join Gunner in the Bozo bin. Another lamer
>>fabricating an on-line persona, hurling invective that he is unable to
>>back up and claiming to be "rich." As if that gives his childish grunts
>>any authority...
>
> I keep him around so that I will know when gunner goes tits up again. He
> says that he offered gunner the job again, but gunner likes being
> unemployed. For that, he commends gunner on his strong work ethic.
>
> I think that he and gunner have at least one thing in common. Neither
> have a two dimes to rub together, so they have to fabricate a life to
> give them a reason to wake up each day.
I no longer find any of that ilk amusing. Pitiful, on a good day,
disgusting most days. Lying hypocrites are not humorous, pathetic at
best. They're like having the blind around and moving the furniture
every night.
--
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Curly Surmudgeon
> On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:07:14 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
> Oh come on. It's like a soap opera. You have Stormon setting gunner up
> to get the welfare woman. He doesn't even know that the welfare woman's
> dead boyfriend had to break up that little triangle way back when he was
> alive.
>
> You never know, it could be another Luke and Laura of General Hospital
> fame. The welfare man gets the welfare woman. It's kind of a poetic.
> Even you have to admit that.
I haven't seen the Mor(m)on trying to set Gummer up. Is he offering one
of his 11-year old brides?
Stuart Wheaton
> Especially those stupid ideas about torte reform, standardized medical forms
> and crossing state lines for insurance! Damn those stupid conservatives for
> their stupid ideas!
Gee, where were all these brilliant ideas when the GOP ran things during
the Bush era? Instead we had social security privatization and other
stupid ideas.
Well, now the Democrats are in charge, and since the GOP didn't do
anything about it earlier, I guess you are going to get whatever they
write. Don't bitch about it, you had your chance and wasted it.
Siobhan Medeiros
> So wingers...where is your plan for health care?
>
>
> TMT
>
> Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan?
> By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
> Associated Press Writer
> Fri Oct 2, 3:41 am ET
>
> WASHINGTON – Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's
> health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being
> hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
>
> focusing instead on attacking Democrats' plans as too costly and
> bureaucratic. Some prominent Republicans now fear they are getting
> tagged as the "party of no," and they want the GOP to offer more
> solutions to the nation's health care problems.
>
> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a potential GOP presidential contender in
> 2012, said it's time for Republicans "to pivot and say, in addition to
> emphasizing what we oppose, here are our proposals" for health care.
> The two parties can agree on some important improvements, he said in
> an interview Thursday, but Democrats must trim their proposed costs.
>
> Democrats, meanwhile, see a rare chance to go on the offensive in the
> debate, which has sometimes seemed dominated by fiery attacks on
> Obama's proposals.
>
> "The Grand Old Party's coffers are empty when it comes to health care
> reform," Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Democrats' second-
> ranking Senate leader, said Thursday.
>
> A new CBS-New York Times poll found that only 14 percent of Americans
> think Republicans have clearly explained their plans to change the
> health care system, while 76 percent do not. Obama's numbers were
> better, though not stellar: 37 percent yes, 55 percent no.
>
> Aware of the criticisms, House Republican leaders have compiled lists
> of bills and principles that various colleagues have offered this
> year. But even the whole list combined doesn't match the breadth and
> detail of the massive Democratic-crafted health care bills that have
> moved through five congressional committees and may soon reach the
> House and Senate floors in some form.
>
> Democrats scoff at the Republican proposals, calling them skimpy
> outlines that would do little if anything to make health care more
> affordable and efficient. The Republicans' repeated calls for health-
> related tax cuts, without credible spending cuts to offset them, would
> dramatically increase the deficit, Democrats say. They note that no
> major GOP proposal has been subjected to scrutiny by the nonpartisan
> Congressional Budget Office, which has given cost estimates for the
> Democratic proposals.
>
> Speaking to union activists recently about health care, Obama taunted
> his Republican critics. "What's your answer?" he asked. "What's your
> solution?"
>
> "You know what?" he continued. "They don't have one."
>
> Privately, Republican lawmakers have debated the pros and cons of
> offering their own comprehensive legislation in the Democratic-
> controlled Congress. A leader on the issue, Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.,
> said on June 17, "I guarantee you, we will bring you a bill that costs
> far less, far less than the Democrats' and will provide better results
> for the American people."
>
> A month later, Blunt seemed to have changed his mind.
>
> "Our bill is never going to get to the floor," he wrote in a blog, "so
> why confuse the focus? We clearly have principles; we could have
> language, but why start diverting attention from this really bad piece
> of work they've got to whatever we're offering right now?"
>
> Eventually, other Republican leaders in Congress agreed with that
> analysis.
>
> Several Republicans in Congress have introduced narrow bills — many
> calling for tax cuts — that have gone nowhere in Congress and
> generated scant notice. That's just fine with some conservative
> activists.
>
> "We have plenty of time to work next year on sensible and targeted
> health reform in a bipartisan way," Weekly Standard editor William
> Kristol recently wrote. "But first we need to get rid of Obamacare."
>
> With Republicans offering few detailed ideas, some Democrats have
> ascribed sinister motives. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., caused an uproar
> when he said in a House speech that Republicans want sick Americans to
> "die quickly."
>
> Perhaps the most comprehensive list of GOP health proposals is in the
> "Republican Solutions Handbook" assembled by the House Republican
> Conference, although it covers only one page.
>
> The first two items in this Republican plan would pursue long-standing
> conservative goals: limit medical malpractice suits filed by
> "overzealous trial lawyers" and devote more resources to stopping
> "waste, fraud and abuse" in Medicare and Medicaid.
>
> Proposed tax cuts, meant to help Americans buy health insurance, would
> go to workers without employer-provided health plans and to low-income
> people. The GOP plan also would encourage businesses that provide
> health insurance to automatically enroll all employees, who could opt
> out if they wanted.
>
> Blunt's official Web site lists more than 20 bills introduced by
> Republicans, which have virtually no chance of passage. Some touch on
> the same topic, such as reining in medical malpractice lawsuits.
>
> Several call for tax cuts. One, by Rep. Edward Royce, R-Calif., would
> allow up to $500 of unused benefits in a health flexible spending
> account to be carried to the next year without tax penalties. Another
> would allow tax breaks on insurance premiums for long-term care.
>
> Such bills are neither comprehensive nor offset by spending cuts or
> revenue increases, said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., a member of the
> House Democratic leadership team.
>
> Republicans "are afraid to put anything on the table," he said,
> "because the American people would see it doesn't address the
> problem."
>
> Van Hollen predicted the Republicans will fail if they think they "can
> beat something with nothing."
>
> ___
>
> On the Net:
>
> Republican health care proposals:http://blunt.house.gov/Read.aspx?ID1204.
I believe Mr. Grayson summed up the Republican plan nicely.
HH&C
> Buerste wrote:
> > Especially those stupid ideas about torte reform, standardized medical forms
> > and crossing state lines for insurance! Damn those stupid conservatives for
> > their stupid ideas!
>
> Gee, where were all these brilliant ideas when the GOP ran things during
> the Bush era? Instead we had social security privatization and other
> stupid ideas.
Privatization beats the hell out of it just stopping like it's going
to do.
> Well, now the Democrats are in charge, and since the GOP didn't do
> anything about it earlier, I guess you are going to get whatever they
> write. Don't bitch about it, you had your chance and wasted it.
And the 45 years of Democrat control prior to that? Oh, forgot...
they created SS and expanded benefits.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Its called giving the Leftwingers enough rope so when its time, we can
hang them with it.
Or shoot them, burn them, bury them alive, blow them to pieces etc etc.
Which will happen rather soon.
Gunner
"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."
Stormin Mormon
removed. Let the free market decide things.
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