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Heterophobia Attack
Oct 25, 2011, 5:10:31 AM10/25/11
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http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-
posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
violated and the punishment was inappropriate, according to
Daily Mail. Following a disciplinary hearing, Smith was demoted
from his position as a housing manager and his salary was
reduced from £35,000 (about $60,000 USD) per year to £21,000
(about $34,000 USD).
The controversy began in February when Smith posted to his
Facebook page the link to a BBC article, “Gay church marriages
get go-ahead.” The article addresses a proposal that could
result in a ban being lifted which has previously prevented
civil partnership ceremonies from being performed in religious
settings in England and Wales. In addition to posting the link
Smith also wrote, “An equality too far.”
One of his colleagues from Trafford Housing, a not for profit
housing association, commented on the post and asked, “Does this
mean you don't approve?”
“No, not really,” Smith replied. “I don't understand why people
who have no faith and don't believe in Christ would want to get
hitched in church. The Bible is quite specific that marriage is
for men and women.”
He also said that the state can choose to allow same civil
unions if it wants to, but it “shouldn't impose its rules on
places of faith and conscience.”
Only Smith's friends on Facebook could view the post initially –
his profile was not made available for public view – but
unfortunately some of his coworkers, who were also his Facebook
friends, saw his comments and complained. He was later forced to
take it down following backlash from the association.
On Sunday, Trafford Housing released a statement clarifying
their reason for taking disciplinary action against Smith. In
2010, the association updated its code of conduct and
distributed it to all 360 members of its staff. Included in the
code were guidelines, the statement says, that “set out what use
employees can make of social networking sites such as Facebook.”
Smith's Facebook page clearly identified him as a manager for
the association, and, following an investigation, his comments
were found to be in violation of company code.
“Mr. Smith was disciplined for his breach of company policy,”
the statement says. “The Trust made no comment about any
personal beliefs that he holds.” The association later states
that the company will “vigorously defend its position” when it
meets with Smith in court.
But Daily Mail reports that Smith's lawyers think that he has
been treated unfairly, and will fight for damages in the amount
of the pay Smith has lost.
“When Adrian was told that he was being demoted with a 40
percent cut in salary, he was stunned,” his attorneys said.
“Nothing he said was offensive or abusive. His comments were
calm, measured and reasonable ... Even those who disagree with
his opinions will surely agree that he has been treated badly.”
Smith has also received the support of The Christian Institute,
an organization that exists to further and promote Christianity
in the United Kingdom. Mike Judge, head of communications for
the institute, says Smith's comments didn't warrant the
punishment he was given.
“Employers have a responsibility to protect the rights of their
staff – and that includes their Christian staff,” Judge said.
“One set of rights should not trump another. It looks to me like
there has been some sort of witch hunt against Mr Smith simply
because of his Christian views.”
posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
violated and the punishment was inappropriate, according to
Daily Mail. Following a disciplinary hearing, Smith was demoted
from his position as a housing manager and his salary was
reduced from £35,000 (about $60,000 USD) per year to £21,000
(about $34,000 USD).
The controversy began in February when Smith posted to his
Facebook page the link to a BBC article, “Gay church marriages
get go-ahead.” The article addresses a proposal that could
result in a ban being lifted which has previously prevented
civil partnership ceremonies from being performed in religious
settings in England and Wales. In addition to posting the link
Smith also wrote, “An equality too far.”
One of his colleagues from Trafford Housing, a not for profit
housing association, commented on the post and asked, “Does this
mean you don't approve?”
“No, not really,” Smith replied. “I don't understand why people
who have no faith and don't believe in Christ would want to get
hitched in church. The Bible is quite specific that marriage is
for men and women.”
He also said that the state can choose to allow same civil
unions if it wants to, but it “shouldn't impose its rules on
places of faith and conscience.”
Only Smith's friends on Facebook could view the post initially –
his profile was not made available for public view – but
unfortunately some of his coworkers, who were also his Facebook
friends, saw his comments and complained. He was later forced to
take it down following backlash from the association.
On Sunday, Trafford Housing released a statement clarifying
their reason for taking disciplinary action against Smith. In
2010, the association updated its code of conduct and
distributed it to all 360 members of its staff. Included in the
code were guidelines, the statement says, that “set out what use
employees can make of social networking sites such as Facebook.”
Smith's Facebook page clearly identified him as a manager for
the association, and, following an investigation, his comments
were found to be in violation of company code.
“Mr. Smith was disciplined for his breach of company policy,”
the statement says. “The Trust made no comment about any
personal beliefs that he holds.” The association later states
that the company will “vigorously defend its position” when it
meets with Smith in court.
But Daily Mail reports that Smith's lawyers think that he has
been treated unfairly, and will fight for damages in the amount
of the pay Smith has lost.
“When Adrian was told that he was being demoted with a 40
percent cut in salary, he was stunned,” his attorneys said.
“Nothing he said was offensive or abusive. His comments were
calm, measured and reasonable ... Even those who disagree with
his opinions will surely agree that he has been treated badly.”
Smith has also received the support of The Christian Institute,
an organization that exists to further and promote Christianity
in the United Kingdom. Mike Judge, head of communications for
the institute, says Smith's comments didn't warrant the
punishment he was given.
“Employers have a responsibility to protect the rights of their
staff – and that includes their Christian staff,” Judge said.
“One set of rights should not trump another. It looks to me like
there has been some sort of witch hunt against Mr Smith simply
because of his Christian views.”
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 25, 2011, 6:45:08 AM10/25/11
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[MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
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http://
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christianpost.com/news/
christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>
> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
(He *almost* got what he deserved. If *I* discovered that
I had a hateful and ignorant bigot in my employ, he'd be CANNED
faster than he could pick up his hat and coat! That's what SHOULD
have happened to that louse.)
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[MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
http://
www.
christianpost.com/news/
christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>
NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
(He *almost* got what he deserved. If *I* discovered that
I had a hateful and ignorant bigot in my employ, he'd be CANNED
faster than he could pick up his hat and coat! That's what SHOULD
have happened to that louse.)
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Republicans : Democrats :: Heartless : Spineless
Teabaggers = Clueless, except for their stance on the economy
(And FADING fast, as far-more-sensible "99ers" replace them!)
"Birthers" = Mindless Loons, and *proven* WRONG on 4-27-11
RRR and LDS Cultists = Cretinous & Loathsome
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••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••
"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481 -- Excellent article!
http://base8.lavenderliberal.com/index.html -- Searchable Database
of the Proposition Hate (8) ENEMIES of Human Rights! KNOW the
enemies... and then HARASS and BOYCOTT the enemies, as much
as it is legally possible to do so!
Dänk 42Ø
Oct 25, 2011, 4:03:30 PM10/25/11
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On 2011-10-25 03:10, Heterophobia Attack wrote:
> http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-
> posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
>
> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>
> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
> Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
> violated...
> http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-
> posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
>
> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>
> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
> Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
Britons don't have free speech rights. He should be glad he was just demoted and not prosecuted
for expressing his opinion. Now he better shut up and eat his meat or he can't have any pudding.
Gunner Asch
Oct 25, 2011, 7:10:40 PM10/25/11
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:45:08 -0500, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>>
>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>
> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
Then of course you are not a Christian.
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>>
>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>
> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 25, 2011, 7:45:19 PM10/25/11
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:10:40 -0700,
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
but the vast majority of ACTUAL Christians (which leaves out the
PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
fair-minded egalitarians.
Did your Buddhism teach you yo be a LIAR?
I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
That might be true of those specious and fictitious "Leftwingers,"
you believe in (along with the Tooth Fairy??), but NOT of sensible
and intelligent egalitarians,
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Republicans : Democrats :: Heartless : Spineless
Teabaggers = Clueless, except for their stance on the economy
(And FADING fast, as far-more-sensible "99%ers" replace them!)
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
> Then of course you are not a Christian.
Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
>>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
> Then of course you are not a Christian.
but the vast majority of ACTUAL Christians (which leaves out the
PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
fair-minded egalitarians.
Did your Buddhism teach you yo be a LIAR?
I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
you believe in (along with the Tooth Fairy??), but NOT of sensible
and intelligent egalitarians,
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Republicans : Democrats :: Heartless : Spineless
Teabaggers = Clueless, except for their stance on the economy
RogerN
Oct 25, 2011, 8:37:40 PM10/25/11
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"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:10:31 +0200,
[MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
http://
www.
christianpost.com/news/
christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>
> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
(He *almost* got what he deserved. If *I* discovered that
I had a hateful and ignorant bigot in my employ, he'd be CANNED
faster than he could pick up his hat and coat! That's what SHOULD
have happened to that louse.)
scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture, nothing new here,
most cults make the same mistake.
Did you realize that the same Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 5 also wrote
Romans? So do the ignortartians also agree with Paul when he wrote:
Romans 1:
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to
sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They
exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created
things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with
lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and
received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do
what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of
wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder,
strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters,
insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they
disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love,
no mercy. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do
such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things
but also approve of those who practice them.
You see, you are not a Christian, you are nothing like a Christian, just a
cult that interprets a single verse to fit your beliefs. If you want to
believe a lie, you are free to do so but don't try to twist the Bible to fit
your misguided belief system. The RRR may also be misguided, but no more
that the one who wrote the stupidity you provided the link to.
RogerN
Gunner Asch
Oct 25, 2011, 9:48:45 PM10/25/11
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:45:19 -0500, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>
>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>
>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
>
> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
Sorry. but if your original statement is true, you simply cannot be a
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>
>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>
>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
>
> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
Christian.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 25, 2011, 10:40:32 PM10/25/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:48:45 -0700,
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
>> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
> Sorry. but if your original statement is true, you simply cannot
> be a Christian.
Your IGNORANCE is duly noted, and is regarded accordingly.
And your LYING does not become you. Not what one would expect
from a Buddhist.
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
>> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
>> but the vast majority of ACTUAL Christians (which leaves out the
>> PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
>> fair-minded egalitarians.
>>
>> Did your Buddhism teach you to be a LIAR?
>> PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
>> fair-minded egalitarians.
>>
>>
>> I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
Your inability to respond to that is noted.
>> I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
> Sorry. but if your original statement is true, you simply cannot
> be a Christian.
And your LYING does not become you. Not what one would expect
from a Buddhist.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 25, 2011, 11:31:19 PM10/25/11
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"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
http://
www.
christianpost.com/news/
christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-
stance-on-facebook-59206/
>>> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
>>> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
>>> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>>>
>>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>
>> http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>>
>> (He *almost* got what he deserved. If *I* discovered that
>> I had a hateful and ignorant bigot in my employ, he'd be CANNED
>> faster than he could pick up his hat and coat! That's what SHOULD
>> have happened to that louse.)
> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting one verse of
> scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture, nothing new here,
> most cults make the same mistake.
Wrong. I belong to NO cult. Mine is a mainstream denomination,
>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-stance-on-facebook-59206/
http://
www.
christianpost.com/news/
christian-gets-pay-cut-for-posting-gay-marriage-
stance-on-facebook-59206/
>>> A housing manager in Manchester, England, was demoted by the
>>> organization he works for after sharing his beliefs against gay
>>> marriage in a post on his personal Facebook page.
>>>
>>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>
>> http://www.egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>>
>> (He *almost* got what he deserved. If *I* discovered that
>> I had a hateful and ignorant bigot in my employ, he'd be CANNED
>> faster than he could pick up his hat and coat! That's what SHOULD
>> have happened to that louse.)
> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting one verse of
> scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture, nothing new here,
> most cults make the same mistake.
the Reformed Church in America. Of which Norman Vincent Peale
(author of "The Power of Positive Thinking") and my father both were
ministers... and in which Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathe-
dral in Garden Grove, California) IS still a minister.
As far as the Bible is concerned, it has DOZENS of irreconcilable
contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
> Did you realize that the same Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 5 also wrote
> Romans 1:24-32 ---
>
> 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to
> sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.25 They
> 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to
> exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created
> things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
>
> 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
> women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the
> same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
> inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other
> men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
>
> 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
> knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they
> do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind
> of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder,
> strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters,
> insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they
> disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love,
> no mercy. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who
> do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very
> things but also approve of those who practice them.
Verses 24-27 could easily have INCLUDED some personal bigotry on
> things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
>
> 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
> women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the
> same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
> inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other
> men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
>
> 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the
> knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they
> do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind
> of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder,
> strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters,
> insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they
> disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love,
> no mercy. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who
> do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very
> things but also approve of those who practice them.
the part of Paul, when it comes to sex. Verses 28-42 deal with SERIOUS
problems, so may have been inspired. That "deserved death" part in
Verse 32 is more in line with the way God had dealt with people in a prev-
ious dispensation (in the OT), and not in the compassionate way that
Jesus did, so it is questionable to some extent.
> You see, you are not a Christian.
Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and sensible
one... unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
<untrue idiocy flushed>.
> The RRR may also be misguided...
That's putting it MILDLY. It's as "misguided" as the segregationists
were.
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Republicans : Democrats :: Heartless : Spineless
Teabaggers = Clueless, except for their stance on the economy
Benny Fishhole
Oct 25, 2011, 11:30:51 PM10/25/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:10:31 +0200, "Heterophobia Attack"
<heterophob...@attackwatch.com> wrote:
>Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
>Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
>violated
LOL, there's no free speech in England, ask Savage.
<heterophob...@attackwatch.com> wrote:
>Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old Christian man, is now suing the
>Trafford Housing Trust, saying his free speech rights have been
>violated
Dänk 42Ø
Oct 26, 2011, 12:15:52 AM10/26/11
to
On 2011-10-25 21:31, (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> quacked:
temples with.
.
.
.
Some religions actually go so far as to label anyone who belongs to a religious sect other than
their own a heretic, even though the overall doctrines and impressions of godliness are nearly
the same. ... Even though the god in all of these religions is basically the same, each regards
the way chosen by the others as reprehensible, and to top it all, religionists actually PRAY for
one another! They have scorn for the brothers of the right-hand path because their religions
carry different labels, and somehow this animosity must be released. What better way than
through 'prayer'! What a simperingly polite way of saying: 'I hate your guts,' is the thinly
disguised device known as praying for your enemy! Praying for one's own enemy is nothing more
than bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
-- Anton LaVey, "The Satanic Bible"
>
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:37:40 -0500,
> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting one verse of
>> scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture, nothing new here,
>> most cults make the same mistake.
>
> Wrong. I belong to NO cult. Mine is a mainstream denomination,
> the Reformed Church in America. Of which Norman Vincent Peale
> (author of "The Power of Positive Thinking") and my father both were
> ministers... and in which Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathe-
> dral in Garden Grove, California) IS still a minister.
Jesus said to give your money to feed the poor, not to wealthy swindlers to build shiny glass
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:37:40 -0500,
> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting one verse of
>> scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture, nothing new here,
>> most cults make the same mistake.
>
> Wrong. I belong to NO cult. Mine is a mainstream denomination,
> the Reformed Church in America. Of which Norman Vincent Peale
> (author of "The Power of Positive Thinking") and my father both were
> ministers... and in which Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathe-
> dral in Garden Grove, California) IS still a minister.
temples with.
.
.
.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
"[W]ithin the confines of a given religion, the personal interpretations of God differ greatly.
Some religions actually go so far as to label anyone who belongs to a religious sect other than
their own a heretic, even though the overall doctrines and impressions of godliness are nearly
the same. ... Even though the god in all of these religions is basically the same, each regards
the way chosen by the others as reprehensible, and to top it all, religionists actually PRAY for
one another! They have scorn for the brothers of the right-hand path because their religions
carry different labels, and somehow this animosity must be released. What better way than
through 'prayer'! What a simperingly polite way of saying: 'I hate your guts,' is the thinly
disguised device known as praying for your enemy! Praying for one's own enemy is nothing more
than bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
-- Anton LaVey, "The Satanic Bible"
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 26, 2011, 12:39:13 AM10/26/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:15:52 -0600,
Dänk 42Ø <dänk@nugget.órg> wrote:
have travelled extensively throughout Latin America... in Central and
South America, and in the Caribbean -- and have for decades DEPLORED
the churches there in which MUCH of the interiors are gilded in gold leaf,
while impoverished people LITERALLY live next door to them!
Robert Schuller has an EGO the size of the planet Jupiter!
I don't agree with the church's having wasted millions on that edifice,
when it could FAR better have been used to help those iin need. I just
mentioned it so that people would know what denomination I was
referring to. Amazingly, you NEVER hear or see any reference in the
"Hour of Power" broadcasts to that congregation's own denomination!
>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>"[W]ithin the confines of a given religion, the personal interpretations of God differ greatly.
>Some religions actually go so far as to label anyone who belongs to a religious sect other than
>their own a heretic, even though the overall doctrines and impressions of godliness are nearly
>the same. ... Even though the god in all of these religions is basically the same, each regards
>the way chosen by the others as reprehensible, and to top it all, religionists actually PRAY for
>one another! They have scorn for the brothers of the right-hand path because their religions
>carry different labels, and somehow this animosity must be released. What better way than
>through 'prayer'! What a simperingly polite way of saying: 'I hate your guts,' is the thinly
>disguised device known as praying for your enemy! Praying for one's own enemy is nothing
>more than bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
>-- Anton LaVey, "The Satanic Bible"
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Dänk 42Ø <dänk@nugget.órg> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting
>>> one verse of scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture,
>>> nothing new here, most cults make the same mistake.
>> Wrong. I belong to NO cult. Mine is a mainstream denomination,
>> the Reformed Church in America. Of which Norman Vincent Peale
>> (author of "The Power of Positive Thinking") and my father both were
>> ministers... and in which Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathe-
>> dral in Garden Grove, California) IS still a minister.
>>
>> "RogerN"<re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>> So you're a member of a cult that is based on interpreting
>>> one verse of scripture in contradiction to the rest of the scripture,
>>> nothing new here, most cults make the same mistake.
>> Wrong. I belong to NO cult. Mine is a mainstream denomination,
>> the Reformed Church in America. Of which Norman Vincent Peale
>> (author of "The Power of Positive Thinking") and my father both were
>> ministers... and in which Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathe-
>> dral in Garden Grove, California) IS still a minister.
>>
>> As far as the Bible is concerned, it has DOZENS of irreconcilable
>> contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
>>
>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
> Jesus said to give your money to feed the poor, not to wealthy swin-
>> contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
>>
>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
> dlers to build shiny glass temples with.
You're preaching to the choir. I went to college in Mexico City, and
have travelled extensively throughout Latin America... in Central and
South America, and in the Caribbean -- and have for decades DEPLORED
the churches there in which MUCH of the interiors are gilded in gold leaf,
while impoverished people LITERALLY live next door to them!
Robert Schuller has an EGO the size of the planet Jupiter!
I don't agree with the church's having wasted millions on that edifice,
when it could FAR better have been used to help those iin need. I just
mentioned it so that people would know what denomination I was
referring to. Amazingly, you NEVER hear or see any reference in the
"Hour of Power" broadcasts to that congregation's own denomination!
>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>"[W]ithin the confines of a given religion, the personal interpretations of God differ greatly.
>Some religions actually go so far as to label anyone who belongs to a religious sect other than
>their own a heretic, even though the overall doctrines and impressions of godliness are nearly
>the same. ... Even though the god in all of these religions is basically the same, each regards
>the way chosen by the others as reprehensible, and to top it all, religionists actually PRAY for
>one another! They have scorn for the brothers of the right-hand path because their religions
>carry different labels, and somehow this animosity must be released. What better way than
>through 'prayer'! What a simperingly polite way of saying: 'I hate your guts,' is the thinly
>disguised device known as praying for your enemy! Praying for one's own enemy is nothing
>more than bargain-basement anger, and of a decidedly shoddy and inferior quality!"
>-- Anton LaVey, "The Satanic Bible"
Gunner Asch
Oct 26, 2011, 12:55:35 AM10/26/11
to
>> Adrian Smith, a 54-year-old PSEUDO-Christian man...
>
> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
Then by that statement..you arent a Christian.
>
> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
Gunner Asch
Oct 26, 2011, 12:56:15 AM10/26/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:40:32 -0500, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>[ ... ]
>
>>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>
>>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
Denial is not a river in Egypt, bigot.
<http://www.TravelForPay.org>" <a...@f.com> wrote:
>[ ... ]
>
>>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>
>>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 26, 2011, 1:20:47 AM10/26/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:48:45 -0700,
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
[ ... ]
>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 26, 2011, 1:21:38 AM10/26/11
to
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:48:45 -0700,
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>>> NO actual CHRISTIAN could be a bigot.
>>> Then of course you are not a Christian.
>> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
>> but the vast majority of ACTUAL Christians (which leaves out the
>> PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
>> fair-minded egalitarians.
>>
>> Did your Buddhism teach you to be a LIAR?
>>
>> I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
Your inability to respond to that is noted.
> Sorry. but if your original statement is true, you simply cannot
> be a Christian.
Your IGNORANCE is duly noted, and is regarded accordingly.
And your LYING does not become you. Not what one would expect
from a Buddhist.
>> Your IGNORANCE is duly noted. Not only am I a Christian,
>> but the vast majority of ACTUAL Christians (which leaves out the
>> PSEUDO-Christians of the hateful RRR Cult) are sensible and
>> fair-minded egalitarians.
>>
>> Did your Buddhism teach you to be a LIAR?
>>
>> I don't recall that's being one of that religion's tenets.
Your inability to respond to that is noted.
> Sorry. but if your original statement is true, you simply cannot
> be a Christian.
Your IGNORANCE is duly noted, and is regarded accordingly.
And your LYING does not become you. Not what one would expect
from a Buddhist.
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Teabaggers = Clueless, except for their stance on the economy
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Oct 27, 2011, 9:02:29 PM10/27/11
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was the mainstream religion that fought against him.
As far as the Bible is concerned, it has DOZENS of irreconcilable
contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but a few
pieces. I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another has a
different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the Egalitarians know
doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other parts.
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
> Did you realize that the same Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 5 also
> wrote
> Romans? So do the [egalitarians] also agree with Paul when he wrote:
> Romans 1:24-32 ---
misinterpreted 1 Corinthians 5, just go to the next chapter...
1 Corinthians 6:
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards
nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is
what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were
justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
> You see, you are not a Christian.
Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and sensible
one... unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
and what not to? And this is based on??? Political correctness? What you
consider to be bigotry?
<untrue idiocy flushed>.
> The RRR may also be misguided...
That's putting it MILDLY. It's as "misguided" as the segregationists
were.
Mark 8:
14 The disciples had forgotten to bring bread, except for one loaf they had
with them in the boat. 15 "Be careful," Jesus warned them. "Watch out for
the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod."
16 They discussed this with one another and said, "It is because we have no
bread."
17 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked them: "Why are you talking about
having no bread? Do you still not see or understand? Are your hearts
hardened? 18 Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear?
And don't you remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves for the five
thousand, how many basketfuls of pieces did you pick up?"
"Twelve," they replied.
20 "And when I broke the seven loaves for the four thousand, how many
basketfuls of pieces did you pick up?"
They answered, "Seven."
21 He said to them, "Do you still not understand?"
The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread better.
The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken things out of
the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste better". So if
homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you can't just pick and
choose what you want to believe because it tastes better to you.
Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an awful lot of
judging others.
If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit together I
think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program that goes
through the entire Bible, you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or
listen free online, or download for free. You'll get many of the
"irreconcilable contradictions" reconciled.
www.ttb.org
RogerN
(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Oct 28, 2011, 12:31:53 AM10/28/11
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:02:29 -0500,
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
[[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
[[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
been REPAIRED! ]]]
> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) wrote]
That was THEN, and *this* is NOW. Vis-a-vis the fundie churches,
the mainstream ones practice Christianity FAR more as Christ set the
example.
>> As far as the Bible is concerned, it has DOZENS of irreconcilable
>> contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
> a few pieces.
No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
> has a different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the Egalitar-
dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.
>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> Did you realize that the same Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 5 also
>>> wrote Romans? So do the [egalitarians] also agree with Paul when he wrote:
>>> Romans 1:24-32 ---
> We don't even have to go as far as Romans to prove the egalitarians
> have misinterpreted 1 Corinthians 5, just go to the next chapter...
>1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ---
> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
> of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idol-
some MORE sinning. Unless the up and kicked the bucket a few seconds
later.
>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and sensible
>> one... unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
>> low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what parts
> to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political correctness?
> What you consider to be bigotry?
Try READING the linked article above. With some COMPREHENSION.
>>> The RRR may also be misguided...
>> That's putting it MILDLY. It's as "misguided" as the segregationists
>> were.
> Here's a teaching of Jesus that you need to understand.
> Mark 8:14-21 ---
mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
> awful lot of judging others.
It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.
> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
[[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
[[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
been REPAIRED! ]]]
> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) wrote]
the mainstream ones practice Christianity FAR more as Christ set the
example.
>> As far as the Bible is concerned, it has DOZENS of irreconcilable
>> contradictions, and thus can only be *partially* Divinely-inspired:
> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
> a few pieces.
they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
> ians know doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other
> parts.
One doesn't have to be an egalitarian to recognize outright contra-
> parts.
dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.
>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> Did you realize that the same Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 5 also
>>> wrote Romans? So do the [egalitarians] also agree with Paul when he wrote:
>>> Romans 1:24-32 ---
> We don't even have to go as far as Romans to prove the egalitarians
> have misinterpreted 1 Corinthians 5, just go to the next chapter...
> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
> aters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves
> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
CLUE: Every person who's done that turned right around and did
> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
some MORE sinning. Unless the up and kicked the bucket a few seconds
later.
>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and sensible
>> one... unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
>> low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what parts
> to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political correctness?
> What you consider to be bigotry?
>>> The RRR may also be misguided...
>> That's putting it MILDLY. It's as "misguided" as the segregationists
>> were.
> Here's a teaching of Jesus that you need to understand.
>
> 14 The disciples had forgotten to bring bread, except for one
> loaf they had with them in the boat. 15 "Be careful," Jesus
> warned them. "Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and
> that of Herod."
>
> 16 They discussed this with one another and said, "It is because
> we have no bread."
>
> 17 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked them: "Why are you
> talking about having no bread? Do you still not see or understand?
> Are your hearts hardened? 18 Do you have eyes but fail to see,
> and ears but fail to hear? And don't you remember? 19 When I
> broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many basket-
> 14 The disciples had forgotten to bring bread, except for one
> loaf they had with them in the boat. 15 "Be careful," Jesus
> warned them. "Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and
> that of Herod."
>
> 16 They discussed this with one another and said, "It is because
> we have no bread."
>
> 17 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked them: "Why are you
> talking about having no bread? Do you still not see or understand?
> Are your hearts hardened? 18 Do you have eyes but fail to see,
> and ears but fail to hear? And don't you remember? 19 When I
> fuls of pieces did you pick up?"
>
> "Twelve," they replied.
>
> 20 "And when I broke the seven loaves for the four thousand,
> how many basketfuls of pieces did you pick up?"
>
> They answered, "Seven."
>
> 21 He said to them, "Do you still not understand?"
>
> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste better.
> So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you can't just
> pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes better to you.
Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>
> "Twelve," they replied.
>
> 20 "And when I broke the seven loaves for the four thousand,
> how many basketfuls of pieces did you pick up?"
>
> They answered, "Seven."
>
> 21 He said to them, "Do you still not understand?"
>
> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste better.
> So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you can't just
> pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes better to you.
mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
> awful lot of judging others.
> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
> that goes through the entire Bible...
Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
RogerN
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> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) wrote]
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
> a few pieces.
> No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
> they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
> them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
significant.
>> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
>> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
>> has a different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the
>> Egalitar-
>> ians know doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other
>> parts.
> One doesn't have to be an egalitarian to recognize outright contra-
>dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.
heard God choose the foolish things to confound the wise? You think you are
wise but you can't understand the Bible as well as the average child.
>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
>> of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idol-
>> aters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves
>> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
>> inherit
>> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
>> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
>> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
> CLUE: Every person who's done that turned right around and did
>some MORE sinning. Unless the up and kicked the bucket a few seconds
>later.
Jesus told Peter to forgive , not 7 times, but 7 times 70, maybe Jesus is
also willing to keep forgiving us if we continue to want to be forgiven.
Something about "faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from
all unrighteousness".
>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and
>> sensible
>> one...
>> unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
>> low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
>> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what parts
>> to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political
>> correctness?
>> What you consider to be bigotry?
> Try READING the linked article above. With some COMPREHENSION.
boss that I don't like and tell him since I know he is a nice boss that he
didn't really mean for me to do those things I would rather not. Pretty
good religion you have there, don't like something, don't bother to conform
to God's will, just create your own God the way you would like for him to
be.
>> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
>> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
>> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste
>> better.
>> So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you can't just
>> pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes better to you.
> Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
>Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
>same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
>be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
>then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
other sins are still condemned in the new covenant.
> If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
>BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
>BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
>credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
>be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
>> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
>> awful lot of judging others.
> It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.
sin, fornication is a sin, adultery is a sin, pretty much any sexual
activity is a sin except with one's own spouse. But you claim Homosexuality
isn't a sin, looks like you are the Bigot here.
>> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
>> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
>> that goes through the entire Bible...
> Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
>and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
I think it would take 60 years to get that far off course, you need to get
headed in the right direction. You can't just edit the Bible to say
anything you want it to, and claim anything else wasn't inspired.
>> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
>> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
>> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
> NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.
contradiction? Where does the Bible plainly say Homosexuality is
acceptable?
And you praise Dr Tiller the Baby Killer? Are you against capitol
punishment too? Talk about irreconcilable differences, real Christians what
to punish the wicked and protect the innocent, some others want to protect
the wicked and punish the innocent.
RogerN
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Oct 29, 2011, 8:56:48 PM10/29/11
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:03 -0500,
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
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>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) wrote]
>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>>>>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
>>> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
>>> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
>>> a few pieces.
>> No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
>> they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
>> them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
Such as THIS one: http://oaks.nvg.org/bible-debris.html
> I've seen many claimed contradictions but no real ones of anything
> significant.
You NEED to take your blinders off! Many of them are OBVIOUSLY
irreconcilable! Who brainwashed you so, against recognizing FACTS??
>>> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
>>> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
>>> has a different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the Egalitar-
>>> ians know doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other
>>> parts.
>> One doesn't have to be an egalitarian to recognize outright contra-
>> dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.
> But with any IQ they can understand the apparent contradictions.
In case you hadn't noticed, the RRR Cult's leaders have been TARGET-
ING low-IQ folks for recruitment and maintenance as their cash-cow,
propaganda-parroting lemmings because they are so GULLIBLE.
<nonsense-flush>
>>>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
>>> of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idol-
>>> aters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves
>>> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
>>> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
>>> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
>>> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
>> CLUE: Every person who's done that turned right around and did
>> some MORE sinning. Unless they up and kicked the bucket a few seconds
> Something about "faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us
> from all unrighteousness".
>>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and
>>> sensible one...
> Humble too, I'll bet?
People don't GET any more humble than I am!!
(LOL!)
Actually, you shouldn't confuse the self-assurance to goes along
with having one's FACTS straight in a debate, with lack of humility.
Apples-and-oranges.
>>>> ...unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
found that bigotry is SO ingrained in them, they never repudiate it. Thus,
if I ever found one in my employ. he/she would get the gate as fast as they
could clean out their desk and hit the bricks!!
>>> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
>>> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
>>> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste
>>> better. So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you
>>> can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes
>>> better to you.
>> Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>> mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
>> Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
>> same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
>> be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
>> then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
> "Take and eat" is part of the new covenant, Indulging in homosexuality
> and other sins are still condemned in the new covenant.
I listed a **LOT** more things above, that homophobic bigots IGNORE,
than just food. Most of which still ARE prohibited. INTERESTING that you
**ignored** all of those... ???
So the RRR Cultists are HYPOCRITES.
>> If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
>> BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
>> BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
>> credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
>> be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
> So Egalitarian Hypocrites are OK?
PROVE that any egalitarian is a hypocrite. LOTSA LUCK!
(However, there are some *irrational* ones out and about. Such
as ones who sensibly defend abortion rights, but then are STUPID enough
to oppose the death penalty in cases where guilt has been indisputably
PROVEN.
>>> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
>>> awful lot of judging others.
>> It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.
> Let's see, according to the New Covenant, looking at a woman with lust
> is a sin, fornication is a sin, adultery is a sin, pretty much any sexual
> activity is a sin except with one's own spouse. But you claim Homosexuality
> isn't a sin, looks like you are the Bigot here.
(1) NOTHING in the Bible says that the sexual OTIENTATION of
homosexuality is sinful. Only various sexual ACTIONS (both
gay and straight) are regarded as sinful.
(2) In the next life, I'd REALLY like to ask God just WHY he had
this huge HANGUP with something as enjoyable as sex.
>>> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
>>> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
>>> that goes through the entire Bible...
>> Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
>>and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
> Did your father share your Egalitarian beliefs?
TOTALLY!! He was a VERY fair and compassionate minister!
I probably LEARNED to be an egalitarian at a very young age as a
result of both my parents being such wondrous role models!
> I think it would take 60 years to get that far off course, you need
> to get headed in the right direction. You can't just edit the Bible to say
> anything you want it to, and claim anything else wasn't inspired.
Unlike you, I use my BRAIN when I read the Bible. And that KEEPS
me in the right direction.
>>> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
>>> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
>>> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
>> NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.
> So how is the verses the condemn homosexuality an irreconcilable
> contradiction? Where does the Bible plainly say Homosexuality is
> acceptable?
See above. The Bible NEVER condemned the ORIENTATION.
> And you praise Dr Tiller the...
...HEROIC abortion provider who helped hundred, and possibly thous-
ands of women before a total A-HOLE **martyred** him? YES!! And I
hope that his murderer ROTS and BURNS in agonizing pain in the lowest
and hottest depths of the Lake of Fire for all eternity!!
> Are you against capitol punishment too?
ONLY if there is any possibility of innocence. When a killer has
been convicted on totally incontrovertible proof, I favor executing the
S.O.B. ASAP. That's simply taking out the trash. It's the fate that
Jeffrey Dahmer SHOULD have been sentenced to -- but fortunately,
his fellow inmates felt the same way!
> Talk about irreconcilable differences, real Christians what to punish the
> wicked and protect the innocent, some others want to protect the wicked
> and punish the innocent.
I can't speak for others, but you can see that *I* want ONLY the
guilty to be punished. Such as Dahmer, and all murderers of abortion
doctors.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Response to an RCC-Cult ANTI-Choicer,
about the Martyred HERO, Dr. George Tiller
You know nothing of Dr. Tiller and his work, because you ignore the
facts. Dr. Tiller proved, in court, on more than one occasion, this his
work fully conformed to the laws of Kansas, a very conservative state.
Even when women begin to die, suffer sterility, maiming from the lack of
a late term abortion, or giving birth to grossly deformed babies, you'll
still ignore the facts. By the way, you and your "church" will protest
paying one cent of tax to care for the injured or dead women, or for the
costs of caring for a grossly deformed or handicapped baby during its
short lifetime. You'd rather the family be ruined to the point where
they're in poverty. And, you'll still refuse to pay any welfare costs
or costs of restoring the ruined family. That's the kind of person you
are, and the kind of people your "church" is.
Dr. Tiller was an actual Saint.
-- "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>, 8-26-10
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
••• Rest in Peace •••
••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
••• Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com •••
"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
died otherwise, thousands who would've been made sterile
or gravely injured by childbirth. He knew his life was at grave
risk. Dr. Tiller was a true Saint."
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
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>>
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>> or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from Outlook
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>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) wrote]
>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>>>> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>>>>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
>>> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see irreconcilable
>>> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
>>> a few pieces.
>> No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
>> they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
>> them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
> I've seen many claimed contradictions but no real ones of anything
> significant.
irreconcilable! Who brainwashed you so, against recognizing FACTS??
>>> I have seen many other denominations with much more of the puzzle
>>> put together, one denomination has one area put together well, another
>>> has a different area figured out, and so on. The parts that the Egalitar-
>>> ians know doesn't have to be understood as contradictory to the other
>>> parts.
>> One doesn't have to be an egalitarian to recognize outright contra-
>> dictions when he sees them. Just an IQ over 80 will usually suffice.
In case you hadn't noticed, the RRR Cult's leaders have been TARGET-
ING low-IQ folks for recruitment and maintenance as their cash-cow,
propaganda-parroting lemmings because they are so GULLIBLE.
<nonsense-flush>
>>>> http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom
>>> of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idol-
>>> aters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves
>>> nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
>>> the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you
>>> were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
>>> the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
>> CLUE: Every person who's done that turned right around and did
>> later.
> Does people doing these things mean they are not sins? Or perhaps since
> Jesus told Peter to forgive , not 7 times, but 7 times 70, maybe Jesus is
> also willing to keep forgiving us if we continue to want to be forgiven.
After 490, all bets are off!
> Does people doing these things mean they are not sins? Or perhaps since
> Jesus told Peter to forgive , not 7 times, but 7 times 70, maybe Jesus is
> also willing to keep forgiving us if we continue to want to be forgiven.
> Something about "faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us
> from all unrighteousness".
>>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and
>>> sensible one...
> Humble too, I'll bet?
(LOL!)
Actually, you shouldn't confuse the self-assurance to goes along
with having one's FACTS straight in a debate, with lack of humility.
Apples-and-oranges.
>>>> ...unlike the PSEUDO-Christian leaders of the RRR Cult, and the
>>>> low-intellect cash-cow lemmings that they have managed to CON with
>>>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
>>> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what
>>> parts to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political
>>> correctness? What you consider to be bigotry?
>> Try READING the linked article above. With some COMPREHENSION.
> I wonder if that would work with my boss? I could ignore any orders
> from my boss that I don't like and tell him since I know he is a nice boss that
> he didn't really mean for me to do those things I would rather not. Pretty
> good religion you have there, don't like something, don't bother to conform
> to God's will, just create your own God the way you would like for him to
> be.
In my half-century of opposing bigots and their hate-agendas, I've
>>>> their LYING propaganda and hate-agendas.
>>> Maybe, but can you see that you are picking a choosing what
>>> parts to believe and what not to? And this is based on??? Political
>>> correctness? What you consider to be bigotry?
>> Try READING the linked article above. With some COMPREHENSION.
> I wonder if that would work with my boss? I could ignore any orders
> from my boss that I don't like and tell him since I know he is a nice boss that
> he didn't really mean for me to do those things I would rather not. Pretty
> good religion you have there, don't like something, don't bother to conform
> to God's will, just create your own God the way you would like for him to
> be.
found that bigotry is SO ingrained in them, they never repudiate it. Thus,
if I ever found one in my employ. he/she would get the gate as fast as they
could clean out their desk and hit the bricks!!
>>> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
>>> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
>>> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste
>>> better. So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you
>>> can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes
>>> better to you.
>> Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>> mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
>> Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
>> same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
>> be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
>> then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
> "Take and eat" is part of the new covenant, Indulging in homosexuality
> and other sins are still condemned in the new covenant.
than just food. Most of which still ARE prohibited. INTERESTING that you
**ignored** all of those... ???
So the RRR Cultists are HYPOCRITES.
>> If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
>> BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
>> BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
>> credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
>> be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
> So Egalitarian Hypocrites are OK?
(However, there are some *irrational* ones out and about. Such
as ones who sensibly defend abortion rights, but then are STUPID enough
to oppose the death penalty in cases where guilt has been indisputably
PROVEN.
>>> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
>>> awful lot of judging others.
>> It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.
> Let's see, according to the New Covenant, looking at a woman with lust
> is a sin, fornication is a sin, adultery is a sin, pretty much any sexual
> activity is a sin except with one's own spouse. But you claim Homosexuality
> isn't a sin, looks like you are the Bigot here.
homosexuality is sinful. Only various sexual ACTIONS (both
gay and straight) are regarded as sinful.
(2) In the next life, I'd REALLY like to ask God just WHY he had
this huge HANGUP with something as enjoyable as sex.
>>> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
>>> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
>>> that goes through the entire Bible...
>> Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
>>and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
> Did your father share your Egalitarian beliefs?
I probably LEARNED to be an egalitarian at a very young age as a
result of both my parents being such wondrous role models!
> I think it would take 60 years to get that far off course, you need
> to get headed in the right direction. You can't just edit the Bible to say
> anything you want it to, and claim anything else wasn't inspired.
me in the right direction.
>>> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
>>> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
>>> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
>> NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.
> So how is the verses the condemn homosexuality an irreconcilable
> contradiction? Where does the Bible plainly say Homosexuality is
> acceptable?
> And you praise Dr Tiller the...
...HEROIC abortion provider who helped hundred, and possibly thous-
ands of women before a total A-HOLE **martyred** him? YES!! And I
hope that his murderer ROTS and BURNS in agonizing pain in the lowest
and hottest depths of the Lake of Fire for all eternity!!
> Are you against capitol punishment too?
been convicted on totally incontrovertible proof, I favor executing the
S.O.B. ASAP. That's simply taking out the trash. It's the fate that
Jeffrey Dahmer SHOULD have been sentenced to -- but fortunately,
his fellow inmates felt the same way!
> Talk about irreconcilable differences, real Christians what to punish the
> wicked and protect the innocent, some others want to protect the wicked
> and punish the innocent.
guilty to be punished. Such as Dahmer, and all murderers of abortion
doctors.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Response to an RCC-Cult ANTI-Choicer,
about the Martyred HERO, Dr. George Tiller
You know nothing of Dr. Tiller and his work, because you ignore the
facts. Dr. Tiller proved, in court, on more than one occasion, this his
work fully conformed to the laws of Kansas, a very conservative state.
Even when women begin to die, suffer sterility, maiming from the lack of
a late term abortion, or giving birth to grossly deformed babies, you'll
still ignore the facts. By the way, you and your "church" will protest
paying one cent of tax to care for the injured or dead women, or for the
costs of caring for a grossly deformed or handicapped baby during its
short lifetime. You'd rather the family be ruined to the point where
they're in poverty. And, you'll still refuse to pay any welfare costs
or costs of restoring the ruined family. That's the kind of person you
are, and the kind of people your "church" is.
Dr. Tiller was an actual Saint.
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••• A True American HERO! •••
••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
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"He saved the lives of thousands of women who would've
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RogerN
Nov 1, 2011, 10:13:10 PM11/1/11
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>"(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) " wrote in message
>news:sl4pa71ff5abvcqvt...@4ax.com...
>
>On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:03 -0500,
>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>> [[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
>>> HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
>>>
>>> [[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
>>> been REPAIRED! ]]]
>>>
>>> I can't find where or how to set the settings on windows live mail,
>>> if you
>>> or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from
>>> Outlook
>>> Express and this crap is what I got, not what I wanted.
>
> No WONDER!! Just go HERE and download a *REAL* newsreader
>from Forte. It's FREE!
>
> http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
I downloaded and installed, seems it's only a 30 day trial and then they
>On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:54:03 -0500,
>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>> [[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
>>> HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
>>>
>>> [[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
>>> been REPAIRED! ]]]
>>>
>>> I can't find where or how to set the settings on windows live mail,
>>> if you
>>> or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from
>>> Outlook
>>> Express and this crap is what I got, not what I wanted.
>
> No WONDER!! Just go HERE and download a *REAL* newsreader
>from Forte. It's FREE!
>
> http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
want $29 for it. I think I'll keep using my Windows Live and let you
correct my attributes :-)
>>>> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) wrote]
>>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>>>>> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.TravelForPay.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> [MORONIC ALIAS by an Anonymous Coward] wrote:
>
>
>>>> The Bible is more like a 10,000 piece puzzle. You see
>>>> irreconcilable
>>>> contradictions because your group hasn't been able to put together but
>>>> a few pieces.
>
>>> No. The irreconcilable contradictions are irreconcilable because
>>> they ARE mutually-exclusive. They are REAL contradictions. Google
>>> them and see for yourself. LOTS of good sites present them.
>
> Such as THIS one: http://oaks.nvg.org/bible-debris.html
wrote the stuff, I guess he isn't in the IQ greater than 80 club. For
example he thinks it's a contradiction that Elijah went to Heaven but Jesus
was the only one to ascend to Heaven. A person in that day would describe
an aircraft taking off as ascending into the heavens. The old Testament
saints, Elijah included, went to a place know as Abraham's Bosom, also
called Paradise, but not Heaven where Jesus ascended to.
But instead of argue the point, out of the 120+ "contradictions" on the
website, pick out any that changes Homosexuality behavior to not be
considered a sin. All of the "contradictions" I read didn't amount to
anything one way or another. If Paul went here first or there first, it
doesn't make a bit of difference in anything Paul taught.
>> I've seen many claimed contradictions but no real ones of anything
>> significant.
>
> You NEED to take your blinders off! Many of them are OBVIOUSLY
>irreconcilable! Who brainwashed you so, against recognizing FACTS??
obviously doesn't know what they are talking about, they would probably have
difficulty understanding the conversation in an old lady's quilting group.
490 times.
>> Something about "faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse
>> us
>> from all unrighteousness".
>
>>>>> You see, you are not a Christian.
>
>>>> Wrong. And I also happen to be a relatively intelligent and
>>>> sensible one...
>
>> Humble too, I'll bet?
>
> People don't GET any more humble than I am!!
>
> (LOL!)
>
> Actually, you shouldn't confuse the self-assurance to goes along
>with having one's FACTS straight in a debate, with lack of humility.
>Apples-and-oranges.
professing yourself to be wise that God is making a fool of.
> In my half-century of opposing bigots and their hate-agendas, I've
>found that bigotry is SO ingrained in them, they never repudiate it. Thus,
>if I ever found one in my employ. he/she would get the gate as fast as they
>could clean out their desk and hit the bricks!!
You can find a "Christian" that is perfectly willing to listen to a song
about adultery but if there was a homosexual song they would refuse to
listen to it because it's disgusting.
>>>> The "yeast" of the Pharisees was their teaching. Yeast makes bread
>>>> better. The Pharisees were teaching their own religion, they had taken
>>>> things out of the scripture that they didn't like, they made it "taste
>>>> better. So if homosexuality is a sin according to scripture, then you
>>>> can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because it tastes
>>>> better to you.
>
>>> Same for shrimp, lobster, other shellfish, and clothing made of
>>> mixed fabrics? How about seances and mediums? Ouija Boards and
>>> Tarot Cards? Tea-leaf readers and other fortune-tellers? And going to
>>> same for consultations? Astrology and horoscopes? ALL of which would
>>> be (and in some cases directly were, by virtue of already existing back
>>> then) condemned at LEAST as much as homosexual sex was.
>
>> "Take and eat" is part of the new covenant, Indulging in
>> homosexuality
>> and other sins are still condemned in the new covenant.
>
> I listed a **LOT** more things above, that homophobic bigots IGNORE,
>than just food. Most of which still ARE prohibited. INTERESTING that you
>**ignored** all of those... ???
the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. Many of the things you
mentioned had a spiritual meaning, listen to McGee and learn about it.
> So the RRR Cultists are HYPOCRITES.
>
>>> If the HYPOCRITES of the RRR Cult ever seek to deprive the
>>> BILLIONS (worldwide) of people of their rights and well-being on the
>>> BASIS of *those* prohibited actions, then I will at least give them
>>> credit for no longer being hypocrites. Even though they would still
>>> be crazier than barn owls and totally-obnoxious and bigoted fools.
>
>> So Egalitarian Hypocrites are OK?
>
> PROVE that any egalitarian is a hypocrite. LOTSA LUCK!
>
> (However, there are some *irrational* ones out and about. Such
>as ones who sensibly defend abortion rights, but then are STUPID enough
>to oppose the death penalty in cases where guilt has been indisputably
>PROVEN.
>
>>>> Your website link condemns judging others but if seems to do an
>>>> awful lot of judging others.
>
>>> It judges the HATEFULNESS and irrationality of bigots.
>
>> Let's see, according to the New Covenant, looking at a woman with
>> lust
>> is a sin, fornication is a sin, adultery is a sin, pretty much any sexual
>> activity is a sin except with one's own spouse. But you claim
>> Homosexuality
>> isn't a sin, looks like you are the Bigot here.
>
> (1) NOTHING in the Bible says that the sexual OTIENTATION of
> homosexuality is sinful. Only various sexual ACTIONS (both
> gay and straight) are regarded as sinful.
> (2) In the next life, I'd REALLY like to ask God just WHY he had
> this huge HANGUP with something as enjoyable as sex.
stick his penis in another mans butt, and God is so cruel because God wants
him to stick it in a woman, what punishment!
>>>> If you want to learn where more of the pieces of the puzzle fit to-
>>>> gether I think you would be amazed. There is a Bible teaching program
>>>> that goes through the entire Bible...
>
>>> Probably McGee. Been there, done that. My father was a minister,
>>>and I've studied the Bible for around 60 years.
>
>> Did your father share your Egalitarian beliefs?
>
> TOTALLY!! He was a VERY fair and compassionate minister!
>I probably LEARNED to be an egalitarian at a very young age as a
>result of both my parents being such wondrous role models!
>
>> I think it would take 60 years to get that far off course, you need
>> to get headed in the right direction. You can't just edit the Bible to
>> say
>> anything you want it to, and claim anything else wasn't inspired.
>
> Unlike you, I use my BRAIN when I read the Bible. And that KEEPS
>me in the right direction.
>>>> you can find a radio station that broadcasts it or listen free
>>>> online, or download for free. You'll get many of the "irreconcilable
>>>> contradictions" reconciled. www.ttb.org
>
>>> NOT the ones that actually ARE irreconcilable.
>
>> So how is the verses the condemn homosexuality an irreconcilable
>> contradiction? Where does the Bible plainly say Homosexuality is
>> acceptable?
>
> See above. The Bible NEVER condemned the ORIENTATION.
What about if a man has lust for children, are you a hypocrite if you say
child molestation is wrong? What if a man has a lust to rape, is that OK
too?
>> And you praise Dr Tiller the...
>
> ...HEROIC abortion provider who helped hundred, and possibly thous-
>ands of women before a total A-HOLE **martyred** him? YES!! And I
>hope that his murderer ROTS and BURNS in agonizing pain in the lowest
>and hottest depths of the Lake of Fire for all eternity!!
RogerN
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.TravelForPay.org>
Nov 1, 2011, 11:15:09 PM11/1/11
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:13:10 -0500,
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> (Ż`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´Ż) wrote
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
So they must have gotten CHINTZY and GREEDY!!
I used if for several years, and then upgraded to a paid
version a few years ago to take advantage of the extra bells
and whistles.
You have nothing to lose by trying it for FREE for a month,
so you can see for yourself ho excellent it is.
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
> (Ż`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´Ż) wrote
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>> (Ż`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´Ż) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>> [[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
>>>> HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
>>>>
>>>> [[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
>>>> been REPAIRED! ]]]
>>> I can't find where or how to set the settings on windows live mail,
>>> if you or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from
>>> Outlook Express and this crap is what I got, not what I wanted.
>> No WONDER!! Just go HERE and download a *REAL* newsreader
>> from Forte. It's FREE!
>>
>> http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
> I downloaded and installed, seems it's only a 30 day trial and then
> they want $29 for it. I think I'll keep using my Windows Live and let
> you correct my attributes :-)
Their "FREE Agent" program used to be PERMANENTLY free.
>>>> [[[ Oh good grief!! WHEN will this guy learn
>>>> HOW attributes work in Usenet posts?!?? ]]]
>>>>
>>>> [[[ The *attributes* in this post have AGAIN
>>>> been REPAIRED! ]]]
>>> I can't find where or how to set the settings on windows live mail,
>>> if you or anyone else knows I'll give it a try. I copied my settings from
>>> Outlook Express and this crap is what I got, not what I wanted.
>> No WONDER!! Just go HERE and download a *REAL* newsreader
>> from Forte. It's FREE!
>>
>> http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
> I downloaded and installed, seems it's only a 30 day trial and then
> they want $29 for it. I think I'll keep using my Windows Live and let
> you correct my attributes :-)
So they must have gotten CHINTZY and GREEDY!!
I used if for several years, and then upgraded to a paid
version a few years ago to take advantage of the extra bells
and whistles.
You have nothing to lose by trying it for FREE for a month,
so you can see for yourself ho excellent it is.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 2, 2011, 1:13:42 AM11/2/11
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RogerN wrote:
>
> > ?????????????????? wrote:
> >
> > http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
>
> I downloaded and installed, seems it's only a 30 day trial and then they
> want $29 for it. I think I'll keep using my Windows Live and let you
> correct my attributes :-)
There are a lot of free news clients. Thunderbird & Xnews are OK. I
> > ?????????????????? wrote:
> >
> > http://www.webmasterfree.com/forte_free_agent
>
> I downloaded and installed, seems it's only a 30 day trial and then they
> want $29 for it. I think I'll keep using my Windows Live and let you
> correct my attributes :-)
don't know what OS you're using, but I still use the old Netscape 4.78
for newsgroups with XP.
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