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technomaNge

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Jan 6, 2010, 8:16:05 PM1/6/10
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Here's a good laugh for you.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048


They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:

"How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
or iron."

technomaNge
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You can't make this stuff up.

Existential Angst

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"technomaNge" <pir...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Here's a good laugh for you.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048
>
>
> They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:
>
> "How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
> or iron."
>

Idiocy is a pre-requisite for being in the media. That, and some degree of
pathology.
Almost without exception.
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EA

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Larry Jaques

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Jan 7, 2010, 11:58:25 AM1/7/10
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:19:57 -0700, the infamous Steve Ackman
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:

>In <hi3ckl$s77$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:16:05

>-0600, technomaNge, pir...@microsoft.com wrote:
>> Here's a good laugh for you.
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048
>>
>>
>> They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:
>>
>> "How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
>> or iron."
>

> That's not all. Reconcile that statement with others
>in the story:
>
>"...the objects are thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they
>circle. That means they probably aren't planets. They are bigger and
>hotter than planets in our solar system, including dwarf planets."
>
>"The five planets are all much larger than Earth, much closer to their
>stars than Earth is to the sun, and way too hot for life, Borucki said. A
>couple of these planets are close to 3,000 degrees."

ABC, where AGWK scientists go to get their science!

--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

rangerssuck

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:19:32 PM1/7/10
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On Jan 7, 11:58 am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:19:57 -0700, the infamous Steve Ackman
> <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
> >In <hi3ckl$s7...@news.eternal-september.org>, on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:16:05

> >-0600, technomaNge, pir...@microsoft.com wrote:
> >> Here's a good laugh for you.
>
> >>    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048
>
> >> They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:
>
> >> "How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
> >> or iron."
>
> >  That's not all.  Reconcile that statement with others
> >in the story:
>
> >"...the objects are thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they
> >circle. That means they probably aren't planets. They are bigger and
> >hotter than planets in our solar system, including dwarf planets."
>
> >"The five planets are all much larger than Earth, much closer to their
> >stars than Earth is to the sun, and way too hot for life, Borucki said. A
> >couple of these planets are close to 3,000 degrees."
>
> ABC, where AGWK scientists go to get their science!
>
> --
> We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
> with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
> and the stuff of life itself.   --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10

Wall Street Journal, where wingers go to get their science!

Ed Huntress

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:31:28 PM1/7/10
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"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Like the Pat Michaels WSJ global-warming editorial a few weeks ago, to which
the wingers piled on. Michaels has a fine resume, too, and an interesting
list of contributors and supporters:

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers
The Western Fuels Association
North Carolina Coal Institute
Pacific Research Institute (an industry front)
Kentucky Coal Operators Association
AMAX Energy Corporation
Consolidation Coal Corporation
Cincinnati Gas and Electric
The National Aerosol Association
Massie Coal Corporation
Indiana Coal Mining Institute
Arizona Electric Power Cooperative
Virginia Petroleum Council
Alabama Electric Power Cooperative
World Coal Conference
American Mining Congress

A fine, unbiased group, with no conflicting interests to get in the way,
unlike all of those academics who are fighting for tenure. d8-)

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Ed Huntress


Jim Wilkins

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Jan 7, 2010, 12:58:43 PM1/7/10
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On Jan 6, 11:19 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
wrote:

> In <hi3ckl$s7...@news.eternal-september.org>, on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:16:05
>
> -0600, technomaNge, pir...@microsoft.com wrote:
> > Here's a good laugh for you.
>
> >    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048
>
> > They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:
>
> > "How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
> > or iron."
>
>   That's not all.  Reconcile that statement with others
> in the story:
>
> "...the objects are thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they
> circle. That means they probably aren't planets. They are bigger and
> hotter than planets in our solar system, including dwarf planets."
>
> "The five planets are all much larger than Earth, much closer to their
> stars than Earth is to the sun, and way too hot for life, Borucki said. A
> couple of these planets are close to 3,000 degrees."
>
> --
> ☯☯

We can't explain our own Sun. which is 5500 - 6000C at the surface and
millions of degrees further out:
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/sun.html

jsw

Buerste

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"Jim Wilkins" <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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jsw

And, it's interesting that the Earth's mantle is millions of degrees.

Ed Huntress

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"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Wilkins" <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:309b3a17-ef92-4b4d...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 6, 11:19 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
> wrote:
>> In <hi3ckl$s7...@news.eternal-september.org>, on Wed, 06 Jan 2010
>> 19:16:05
>>
>> -0600, technomaNge, pir...@microsoft.com wrote:
>> > Here's a good laugh for you.
>>
>> > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Space/wireStory?id=9475048
>>
>> > They are discussing two newly found planet-like objects:
>>
>> > "How hot? Try 26,000 degrees Fahrenheit. That's hot enough to melt lead
>> > or iron."
>>
>> That's not all. Reconcile that statement with others
>> in the story:
>>
>> "...the objects are thousands of degrees hotter than the stars they
>> circle. That means they probably aren't planets. They are bigger and
>> hotter than planets in our solar system, including dwarf planets."
>>
>> "The five planets are all much larger than Earth, much closer to their
>> stars than Earth is to the sun, and way too hot for life, Borucki said. A
>> couple of these planets are close to 3,000 degrees."
>>
>> --
>> ??

>
> We can't explain our own Sun. which is 5500 - 6000C at the surface and
> millions of degrees further out:
> http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/sun.html
>
> jsw
>
> And, it's interesting that the Earth's mantle is millions of degrees.

The Earth's mantle peaks at around 4000C. Were you the consultant for that
article, by any chance?

--
Ed Huntress


Buerste

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Stuart Wheaton

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I just love how the people who jump on every mis-statement and gaffe
made by the left, somehow think Sara pPalin is a communications genius.

cavelamb

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Jan 7, 2010, 6:21:35 PM1/7/10
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Buerste wrote:
>
> "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
> news:eIr1n.15410$Sh7....@newsfe25.iad...
> <snip>
>> And, it's interesting that the Earth's mantle is millions of degrees.
>
> Sorry, forgot the "proof". I'm sure there are libtards out there that
> need it from a credible source and who is more credible than Al Gore?
>
> http://www.infowars.com/science-according-to-al-gore-earth-interior-millions-of-degrees/

quote:
This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has decided to block it.


> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/16/gore-has-no-clue-a-few-million-degrees-here-and-there-and-pretty-soon-were-talking-about-real-temperature/

Nothing played...

> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/18/al-gore-earths-interior-extremely-hot-several-million-degrees

This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has decided to block it.
Partial transcript


> http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2009/11/al-gore-thinks-earths-core-is-millions-of-degrees.html

This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has decided to block it.
Partial transcript


Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about this...

But I did leave a note with them asking about it...

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/


"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."


Buerste

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Jan 7, 2010, 7:33:56 PM1/7/10
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"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has decided to block
> it.
> Partial transcript
>
>
> Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about
> this...
************************************

SNOPES??? You mean the ultra-libtard website owned by uber-liberals David
and Barbara Mikkelson who are totally in the libtard tank for
all-that-is-libtardad? That Snopes?

I'm so sorry, I know it was too difficult for you to follow links to
webpages so I cut/past a couple of them here for you. Let me know if any of
the words are too big, I'll find a libtard with a Ph.D. to explain them to
you. Of course NBC blocked the vid, it shows Gore as the stupid liar he is.
And, by association....

Science According to Al Gore: Earth Interior “Millions of Degrees”
a..
Kurt NimmoInfowars
December 10, 2009

Not only did Al Gore invent the internet, he has also redefined earth
science. The puffed up prophet of the phony climate change movement went on
the Conan O’Brien Show in mid-November and told the world the temperature of
the interior of the earth is “millions of degrees.” O’Brien didn’t flinch.

In fact, the Inner Mantle of the earth is 5400 ºF (3000ºC) and the Outer
Mantle is 2520 ºF (1400ºC) and 5400 º F (3000ºC). The Core of the earth is
between 9032 – 10832 ºF (5000-6000 ºC).


This is an estimation. Nobody knows the exact temperature of the earth’s
interior. The estimate of the temperature is derived from theoretical
modeling and laboratory experiments, but no scientist believes the
temperature is anywhere near a million degrees.

The above video demonstrates that Al Gore is a carnival huckster for the
globalist movement peddling junk science and has no idea what he is talking
about.

Gore has no clue – a few million degrees here and there and pretty soon we’re
talking about real temperature
16
11
2009
This is mind blowing ignorance on the part of Al Gore. Gore in an 11/12/09
interview on NBC’s tonight Show with Conan O’Brien, speaking on geothermal
energy, champion of slide show science, can’t even get the temperature of
earth’s mantle right, claiming “several million degrees” at “2 kilometers or
so down”. Oh, and the “crust of the earth is hot” too.

Buerste

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"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwh...@fuse.net> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I just love how the people who jump on every mis-statement and gaffe made
> by the left, somehow think Sara pPalin is a communications genius.

So, you admit that the whole "Global Warming" scam is just a gaffe made up
by the left. Good for you!

Stormin Mormon

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Jan 7, 2010, 7:38:08 PM1/7/10
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According to the snopes web site, they are about as non
political as can be. Plus being Candaian, have no stake in
US politics.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


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William Wixon

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"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwh...@fuse.net> wrote in message
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whenever a discussion pops up about the earth's core i post a link to a
webpage of a guy who says there's a 3km ball of fissionable material at the
center of the earth. i love that concept. wondering if you guys are aware
of this (wacko) guy.

http://nuclearplanet.com/Herndon's%20Nuclear%20Georeactor.html

b.w.

Stuart Wheaton

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Jan 7, 2010, 9:03:09 PM1/7/10
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Buerste wrote:
>
> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:mP6dnQEyFPUc8dvW...@earthlink.com...
> <snip>
>> This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has decided to
>> block it.
>> Partial transcript
>>
>>
>> Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about
>> this...
> ************************************
>
> SNOPES??? You mean the ultra-libtard website owned by uber-liberals
> David and Barbara Mikkelson who are totally in the libtard tank for
> all-that-is-libtardad? That Snopes?
>

You are losing it Tawm... facts and reality do not have a political
agenda. You hate Snopes because they routinely point out the idiocies
of right wing political screed e-mails. You might not be aware that
they often de-bunked stuff that was supposed to be about GWB's more
absurd actions... See:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/bushbook.asp
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bushwave.asp
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bush.asp


Hardly the behaviour of radical lefties.

but hey Tawm, the truth has never stopped you before, so you just keep
saying whatever thought wanders into that empty little head of yours.

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cavelamb

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Steve Ackman wrote:
> In <mP6dnQEyFPUc8dvW...@earthlink.com>, on Thu, 07 Jan 2010
> 17:21:35 -0600, cavelamb, cave...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about this...
>>
>> But I did leave a note with them asking about it...
>
> No need to ask snopes. I witnessed it, transcribed,
> and posted it here:
> news:slrnhfq3lk...@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org
>

Sorry, Steve, the link didn't work...


It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.

That actually bothers me a bit.
Why would they do that?

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Ed Huntress

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"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Steve Ackman wrote:
>> In <mP6dnQEyFPUc8dvW...@earthlink.com>, on Thu, 07 Jan 2010
>> 17:21:35 -0600, cavelamb, cave...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about
>>> this...
>>>
>>> But I did leave a note with them asking about it...
>>
>> No need to ask snopes. I witnessed it, transcribed,
>> and posted it here:
>> news:slrnhfq3lk...@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org
>>
>
> Sorry, Steve, the link didn't work...
>
>
> It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>
> That actually bothers me a bit.
> Why would they do that?
>
> --
>
> Richard Lamb
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Some of the networks are getting pissed about having their "content" ripped
off for nothing. Expect more such battles in the future.

--
Ed Huntress


cavelamb

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Ed Huntress wrote:
> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>


>> It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>>
>> That actually bothers me a bit.
>> Why would they do that?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Lamb
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>
> Some of the networks are getting pissed about having their "content" ripped
> off for nothing. Expect more such battles in the future.
>

Maybe, Ed, and then again, maybe not.

I think it's interesting that they squashed the videos, and don't have an
archive of it themselves. That's real close to revisionism.

They also wouldn't present John Coleman.
But they did offer this link to that interview...

How strange...

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/al-gore-sued-by-over-30000-scientists-for-global-warming-fraud-john-coleman/blog-207879/

John Coleman founded the Weather Channel.
This is his interview re: Al Gore and Climategate.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/


Ed Huntress

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"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>>>
>>> That actually bothers me a bit.
>>> Why would they do that?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Richard Lamb
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>>
>> Some of the networks are getting pissed about having their "content"
>> ripped off for nothing. Expect more such battles in the future.
>>
>
> Maybe, Ed, and then again, maybe not.

From WebTVwire, 5/2/08:

"When Hulu was launched as a joint venture between NBC and Fox last October,
YouTube suddenly became their enemy. NBC even deleted its YouTube channel
and all of the content."

--
Ed Huntress

cavelamb

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Ed Huntress wrote:
> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:nOCdnVU076abM9vW...@earthlink.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>>>>
>>>> That actually bothers me a bit.
>>>> Why would they do that?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Richard Lamb
>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>>> Some of the networks are getting pissed about having their "content"
>>> ripped off for nothing. Expect more such battles in the future.
>>>
>> Maybe, Ed, and then again, maybe not.
>
> From WebTVwire, 5/2/08:
>
> "When Hulu was launched as a joint venture between NBC and Fox last October,
> YouTube suddenly became their enemy. NBC even deleted its YouTube channel
> and all of the content."
>


Well, the significant part of that episode seems to be missing on Hulu.

Also, Hulu response time, sync, and menus suck bit time.

Ed Huntress

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"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:nOCdnVU076abM9vW...@earthlink.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>>>>>
>>>>> That actually bothers me a bit.
>>>>> Why would they do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Lamb
>>>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
>>>> Some of the networks are getting pissed about having their "content"
>>>> ripped off for nothing. Expect more such battles in the future.
>>>>
>>> Maybe, Ed, and then again, maybe not.
>>
>> From WebTVwire, 5/2/08:
>>
>> "When Hulu was launched as a joint venture between NBC and Fox last
>> October, YouTube suddenly became their enemy. NBC even deleted its
>> YouTube channel and all of the content."
>>
>
>
> Well, the significant part of that episode seems to be missing on Hulu.
>
> Also, Hulu response time, sync, and menus suck bit time.

'Can't help with that one. My wife seems to like it, though.

--
Ed Huntress


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pyotr filipivich

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Let the Record show that cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net> on or about
Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:46:34 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>Steve Ackman wrote:
>> In <mP6dnQEyFPUc8dvW...@earthlink.com>, on Thu, 07 Jan 2010
>> 17:21:35 -0600, cavelamb, cave...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> Of the 35 items that Snopes currently has on Al Gore, none are about this...
>>>
>>> But I did leave a note with them asking about it...
>>
>> No need to ask snopes. I witnessed it, transcribed,
>> and posted it here:
>> news:slrnhfq3lk...@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org
>>
>
>Sorry, Steve, the link didn't work...
>
>
>It does seem interesting that NBC is blocking the video on YouTube.
>
>That actually bothers me a bit.
>Why would they do that?

They say "Brand Protection" and "Intellectual Property" but the
real reason is: they are true believers, and party stalwarts. That
which does not fit the narrative, is un-news.

tschus
pyotr

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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

cavelamb

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Looks like about a thousand people taped that episode.

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Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/


Jim Wilkins

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Once the youtube video has downloaded look for the large .flv file in /
Documents and Settings/ and copy it elsewhere. The VLC player can open
it.

Lewis Hartswick

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I don't know what your problem is but I just read all 4 of them.
...lew...

cavelamb

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I could *read* them just fine.
I could NOT play the videos.

I wanted to see what was really said.
Not what someone said was said.

pyotr filipivich

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Let the Record show that Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> on or about
Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:24:01 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to appear
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>Once the youtube video has downloaded look for the large .flv file in /
>Documents and Settings/ and copy it elsewhere. The VLC player can open
>it.

There is a downloadhelper add-on for firefox which will download
the flv file and convert to wmv, or D/L the mp4 file.

Weee!

Jim Wilkins

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On Jan 9, 3:26 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> napisal:

> >Once the youtube video has downloaded look for the large .flv file in /
> >Documents and Settings/ and copy it elsewhere. The VLC player can open
> >it.
>
>         There is a downloadhelper add-on for firefox which will download
> the flv file and convert to wmv, or D/L the mp4 file.
>
>         Weee!

This is supposed to save youtube videos, but it doesn't always work
for me:
http://keepvid.com/

jsw

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Let the Record show that Jim Wilkins <kb1...@gmail.com> on or about
Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:04:59 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to appear
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http://www.downloadhelper.net/

"Works for me".
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