Hawke
==========
I watched the House on CSPAN pass the HRC after listening [again]
to the time worn rhetoric and "baffle gas". Does the Shakespear
quote "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing" ring a bell?
HCR may indeed be a step forward, but full implementation is 4
years in the future and much will depend on the actual
implementation and details. For example, one of the major cost
items, currently bankrupting many municipal hospitals, is the
unfunded mandate to treat all emergency room patients, regardless
of the ability to pay or legal immigration status. While the
ability to pay factor may be *partially* addressed, the unfunded
federal mandate for "free" and unrestricted emergency room care
for illegal immigrants has not.
Trying to prioritize the most critical and urgently required
legislative actions is like trying to determine which leg of a
three legged stool is the most important, but note that major two
problems, just as urgent and possibly more immediately dangerous
than "health care" to the general public remain.
Specifically the unregulated financial markets/products, and the
continuing, open-ended wars in the mid-east, with a possible
expansion to include a hot war with Iran and the likely closure
of the Straits of Hormuz through which a very significant
fraction [20% of the total world oil consumption] of the world's
oil moves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
A major contributing factor for far too many of the governmental
financial/fiscal problems is an increasingly complex tax system,
permeated with abusive tax avoidance loopholes. When combined
with the unregulated financial services industry, this is a sure
recipe for disaster. One example is the J&J scheme to conduct a
4.4 billion dollar stock buyback. Because of the way this is
structured, the gain from the sale of stock back to the
corporation will be taxed at the 15% capital gains rate rather
than the 28% rate for regular [dividend] income. This will cost
the Treasury 572 million dollars, which the other taxpayers, with
regular earned income, will have to make up. Remember this is
572 million $ for one company and one year.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/retail/pepsico-ups-dividend-oks-stock-repurchase-plan/
A URL for the major findings and some of the data of the book
_This time is Different_ is
http://www.economics.harvard.edu/files/faculty/51_This_Time_Is_Different.pdf
{154 page pdf 415 kB file so you will need a good connection}
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
That's right, Obama and the Democrats stabbed the American people in the
back by passing a health care bill that the majority of Americans didn't
want. Hopefully the American people will remember them when it's time to
vote.
RogerN
Or...when its time to Cull.
But hey...it wont come into effect for 4 more years..so all the
Leftwingers will be either dead or out of office by that time.
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Ah yes...the time to vote...the time to vote a few more traitorous
Republicans out.
TMT
So Gunner...the Conservative Useless Breeder...how will you be paying
for the health insurance you will know be required to buy?
Sell a few of your precious guns?
Laugh...laugh...laugh...
TMT
Hmm...I wonder how these states who can't make their budgets get the
money to fight a multi-year court fight?
More taxes?
Aren't conservatives against more taxes?
TMT
Things have already improved...greatly.
And for the passage of the health care bill...well it feels just like
November 2008 when the Republicans were beaten to a pulp...AGAIN.
Laugh...laugh...laugh...
TMT
They will be constantly reminded right up to election day roger - by every
Democrat in the country.
The political suicide just commited has the Republican brand all over it.
Political scientist Ruy Teixeira found hard evidence that underscores Frum's
fears in a public opinion experiment undertaken by Newsweek last month. The
magazine's pollsters first asked respondents whether they support or oppose
the president's healthcare reform plan, with predictable results: 40 percent
in favor, 49 percent opposed, 11 percent undecided.
Then the pollsters described major aspects of the bill -- the insurance
exchanges, the strict regulation of insurance company policies, the
requirement for insurance with government assistance to those who need help,
the tax on expensive plans, the fines on those who don't get insurance, and
the public option. Not only did most of those aspects of the bill poll
favorably, but the overall legislation ticked up by 8 points when the
pollsters asked the same people again whether they support or oppose it. The
second time reversed the initial results: 48 percent in favor, 43 percent
opposed, 9 percent unsure.
That sharp turnaround in opinion occurred in a matter of minutes during a
telephone call with a stranger. Now the president and the congressional
Democrats have seven months to make the same argument, and smart Republicans
are properly terrified that they will.
JC
1. This is a more minor reason, but passage of this law removes the
factor of annoyance about uncertainty in the minds of voters and also
shows that Democrats are capable of accomplishing a large legislative
change. Just because the uncertainty is over, causes some relief in
the minds of voters and that is a favorable factor.
More briefly, now we cannot say that "Obama administration
accomplished nothing".
2. There is a large constituency of people, like parents of young
adults lacking coverage, people with substandard health insurance
policies, and so on, who would eventually realize the benefits of this
change. When they do, they will, presumably, support its
sponsors.
Also, people like me, who have health insurance, but realize that they
would likely lose it when they *really* need it, would also be
favorably inclined towards it.
3. The people negatively affected are those young healthy well paid
people who have to shoulder some of the costs. While some of them
might realize that one day they may become old and unhealthy and not
so well paid, even if they do not, extra taxes will be a drop in the
bucket and not a hot button issue like gun control.
The healthcare reform has every potential of becoming a sacred
political cow, like Medicare, and create a pro-Democrat constituency
where none previously existed.
Aside from elections, here's one more point that I want to make.
4. As Warren Buffett pointed out, our health care costs are 14-16% of
GDP and are much higher than for other industrialized nations, which
badly affects our competitive standing. The healthcare law has some
chances of reducing that percentage.
i
Hm, I said for two reasons, but listed three reasons. Does not look
too good.
i
I think you can get help with that on algebra.com :-)
Oh hell yes.
And then those that are forced to buy insurance will simply kill
Leftwing Extremists that have been unconstitutionaly driven to force
others to pay for someone elses insurance.
But hey...Leftwingers are going to be killed in hummm about 2 yrs, give
or take a little bit..so its a moot issue.
What about the last time the public got to vote? You remember when one of
the most liberal states got to vote on someone to replace the extremely
libtarded Ed, Ted, just be glad he's dead, Kennedy? The last time the
public got to vote, a Republican won and a Democrat lost. Maybe an
indication of things to come in November.
RogerN
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:38:59 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>news:ho7172$kp9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Following in the footsteps of their losses in 2006 and 2008, the
>>> republican party has again suffered a crushing defeat. Despite doing
>>> everything possible to stop Obama and the Dems from passing health care
>>> reform, the republicans have failed again. Health care reform has passed.
No, a 3,000 page bill calling itself "health care reform" has passed.
Republicans knew better than to vote for the trashy thing. 'Yes'
voters won't last past November, unless Ray's song plays sooner. ;)
>>> So chalk up another loss to the republican party...and the teabaggers. All
>>> their efforts could not stop the duly elected majority from doing what
He misspelled "dully".
>>> they said they would do if elected. For those who were asking what has
>>> Obama accomplished in his time in office you now have your answer. So next
>>> we get to see how bad the republican's predictions of the end of the world
>>> if the bill passes comes to reality. My prediction is things improve.
You own insurance stock, do you, Parakeet?
>>That's right, Obama and the Democrats stabbed the American people in the
>>back by passing a health care bill that the majority of Americans didn't
>>want. Hopefully the American people will remember them when it's time to
>>vote.
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>Or...when its time to Cull.
Isn't that a Ray Charles song?
--snip--
Oh, it's cullin' time again, you're gonna leave me
I can see that far away look in your eyes
I can tell by the way you screwed me darlin' Oooh
That it won't be long before it's cullin' time
Now they say that absence makes the heart grow fonder (fonder)
And that tears are only rain to make love grow
Well my love for you could never grow no stronger (stronger)
If I lived to be a hundred years old
Oh, it's cullin' time again, you're gonna leave me
I can see that far away look in your eyes
I can tell by the way you screwed me darlin'. Yeah now
That it won't be long before it's cullin' time
Now you say you've found someone that you love better (better)
That's the way it's happened every time before
And as sure as the sun comes up tomorrow ('morrow)
cullin' time will start when you walk out the door
Oh, it's cullin' time again, you're gonna leave me
I can see that far away look in your eyes
I can tell by the way you screwed me darlin'. Alright now
That it won't be long before it's cullin' time
(That it won't be long before it's cullin' time)
--snip--
Will tomorrow's lyrics be "Bring out your dead!"?
http://fwd4.me/IgJ
>But hey...it wont come into effect for 4 more years..so all the
>Leftwingers will be either dead or out of office by that time.
Tonight's newspaper headlines have The O saying
"This is what change looks like."
I sure hope he's -not- part of tomorrow's song.
Well, Reps can no longer claim O's done nothing in office. He may well
bring down the entire nation on our heads. <sigh>
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler
>My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
>legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
>reasons.
>
>1. This is a more minor reason, but passage of this law removes the
>factor of annoyance about uncertainty in the minds of voters and also
>shows that Democrats are capable of accomplishing a large legislative
>change. Just because the uncertainty is over, causes some relief in
>the minds of voters and that is a favorable factor.
When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
dude. Mark my words.
Plant _that_ in your Victory garden. ;)
>More briefly, now we cannot say that "Obama administration
>accomplished nothing".
He may yet take the "most destructive" and/or "worst President" awards
before he's done, eh?
>2. There is a large constituency of people, like parents of young
>adults lacking coverage, people with substandard health insurance
>policies, and so on, who would eventually realize the benefits of this
>change. When they do, they will, presumably, support its
>sponsors.
What about the people who haven't been able to afford health insurance
who will now be forced to pay half their monthly salaries for it? Or
the homeless? How will they pay?
>Also, people like me, who have health insurance, but realize that they
>would likely lose it when they *really* need it, would also be
>favorably inclined towards it.
Why would you lose it?
>3. The people negatively affected are those young healthy well paid
>people who have to shoulder some of the costs. While some of them
>might realize that one day they may become old and unhealthy and not
>so well paid, even if they do not, extra taxes will be a drop in the
>bucket and not a hot button issue like gun control.
Do you really believe yourself there?
>The healthcare reform has every potential of becoming a sacred
>political cow, like Medicare, and create a pro-Democrat constituency
>where none previously existed.
The more likely potential is that it will spark the second American
revolution, Ig. Duck and cover.
>Aside from elections, here's one more point that I want to make.
>
>4. As Warren Buffett pointed out, our health care costs are 14-16% of
>GDP and are much higher than for other industrialized nations, which
>badly affects our competitive standing. The healthcare law has some
>chances of reducing that percentage.
Not the way they've done it. The whole system needs to be changed for
it to be affordable to the entire populace. Prima donna physicians
can't be a part of it because they demand too much money for simple
procedures. Etc. ad nauseum.
I'm just glad I'm not near any large populations of Democrats right
now. If and when things spark off, it'll likely be quite dangerous to
be near them.
>On 2010-03-22, Ignoramus7894 <ignora...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> wrote:
>> My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
>> legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
>> reasons.
>
>Hm, I said for two reasons, but listed three reasons. Does not look
>too good.
What's that 4. doing down there? Go sober up, son. <g>
--
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0500, Ignoramus7894
I can imagine some kids whining "Awwwwwwwww, Dad. Do we have to wait
that long?"
4, technically, was not a reason.
As they say, there are three kinds of people, those who can count and
those who cannot.
i
Problem is Larry, It'll never get out. The "media" will hush up
all the un-happy bitchin that soon will be out there. :-(
...Lew...
Can't be defeat since they didn't vote for it. Didn't design it.
Have no idea how to fund it. And no telling how we will pay for it.
Some of us will have benefits. Most won't.
Martin
Thats the cool thing ya know..once the killing starts, the rest of the
folks say..."well hell! Might as well go get some of them rat bastards
ourselves before they are all gone. Git your rifle!"
And then everyone gets their guns, ropes, explosives, firebombs, barbed
wire, knives, cleavers etc etc and goes out and waxes a Leftie.
It will be interesting to see who their replacements are, wont it? Will
the DNC bring up the next string of far leftwing fringe kooks? Will it
simply cease to exist? Will the survivors (if any) be running so scared
that they will start voting to the Right of Limbaugh in self
preservation?
No matter...the Democratic Party will lose a significant number of its
leadership and a very large number of its rank and file. Teachers will
be in short supply, community organizers will cease to exist,
unions...well....shrug... Colleges will be missing significant portions
of its staff...all bulldozed into mass graves and so forth. Even
churches such as the Catholics will be rather short on priests...lots of
far leftwing fringe kooks...not the least of them are child molesters as
well.....shrug
And of course to be entirely fair..the Fringe Right will be losing its
Klanners, Aryan Brotherhood and the rest of its (very) small
embaressments. I wonder..if we bulldoze a couple hundred ABs into the
same ditch as a bunch of Black Leftists and white Leftwingers...will the
ground boil for years afterwards?
As the old curse says..."we will be living in interesting times"
Gunner
One assumes you have stocked up on food, water, consumables and plenty
of ammo, barbed wire, etc etc?
If not..best be about it.
i'm hoping when they find out they've got to pay then they'll really freak
out and demand and cause to be pushed through congress single payer and put
the health insurance companies out of business. tee hee.
b.w.
Until the Leftwing Media becomes a nice fat group of targets for anyone
with a tinsey bit of knowledge and a high power rifle, or a truck load
of fertilizer. Im afraid its gonna change the face of Rockefeller Plaza
and others....
I am well stocked on everything, except water and barbed wire. I could
get water in a variety of ways. The scopes are all dialed in.
i
> No, a 3,000 page bill calling itself "health care reform" has passed.
> Republicans knew better than to vote for the trashy thing. 'Yes'
> voters won't last past November, unless Ray's song plays sooner. ;)
>
Reminds me, some what of the Home Land Security Bill..
Iggy!
Pay a-fuckin-tention!
the qoute is thus...
there are 11 kinds of people.
those who understand binary,
and those who don't.
How many Pampers do you have, Guys?
What? No pampers?
Well then, how many boxes of Kotex do you have?
HUH? None of those either???
Well, then, your sexual preference had better be self abuse, fellas,
cause that's all you're getting...
Believe me.
In the long run, it's not about beans and bullets.
It's diapers and kotex, and toilet paper.
Anything less and you are on your own.
At least that's what Dorothy tells me....
I believe her, too!
(ok, I'm not willing to go it alone.
but what's the difference???)
--
Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
It doesn't have to "get out". A), those who take them out, will
know; B) it will be noticed that certain Celebrities / Pundits /
Editorialists have not been heard from in a while;and that ought to be
enough to C) convince those who aren't in the first decimation that
something is up. Which will lead to more and more deciding to "spend
more time with the family", etc, etc.
Those who say, do not know. Those who do know, do not say...
"He accidentally shot himself 26 times with a submachine gun,
pausing twice to reload. I told you those things were dangerous."
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Good lad. Id seriously consider finding some coils of razor
wire/concertina. Enough to run around the entry side of your property
in just a few moments. Slows down those who wish to burlarize, rob,
rape, etc etc..slows em down long enough to allow you to warn them, or
kill them, given each circumstance. You can find the stuff here and
there, and simply stick em in a dog house type box and when you need
it...put on the gloves and go drag it out.
Water...something about not having to "get water" when you really need
it sorta makes me all warm and fuzzy.
Lots and lots of those blue 55 gal poly barrels out there, that were
used for fruit, jam, jellies and so forth for the baking industry. Easy
to clean out and seal up. Need advise on doing this..simply ask.
All you really need is 2-4 of them, unless you live in a bad bad
neighborhood. Then more would be better. And they stock away easily.
And one assumes you have at minimum...6 months food stuff on hand?
Anything less than 2 months is simply masterbation.
Gunner
Quite true indeed, if the People were made up of combat teams.
But..sigh...they are often made up of amatures who simply know how to
sight and squeeze and are marginally smart enough to bair out
immediately afterwards.
And frankly...word really should get out that those Bastions of Leftwing
Media had their lungs perforated etc etc. At least..a bunch of them
should be publicly terminated with extreme predjudice as encouragement
for other members of the People.
"And Live with Bob Kelly!
On todays note...the mysterious deaths of liberal Democrats continue
unabated
No one knows why this is hapWHAP!!!!!
And now back to the studio......" as the guys brains are wiped off the
cohost. Or the studio suddenly blows out all of its windows, etc etc
etc Or the camera truck drives over a command detonated platter
charge.
Sigh...stuck so far back in no mans land and simply watching it on the
tv or listening to the radio...is gonna be NEAT!!
Gunner, stocking up on banjo strings, picks and microwave popcorn!
> Those who say, do not know. Those who do know, do not say...
>
> "He accidentally shot himself 26 times with a submachine gun,
>pausing twice to reload. I told you those things were dangerous."
>
>tschus
>pyotr
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>
>> One assumes you have stocked up on food, water, consumables and plenty
>> of ammo, barbed wire, etc etc?
>>
>> If not..best be about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>> the subject." Grey Ghost
>
>
>How many Pampers do you have, Guys?
>What? No pampers?
20 cases.
>
>Well then, how many boxes of Kotex do you have?
>HUH? None of those either???
2 cases
>
>Well, then, your sexual preference had better be self abuse, fellas,
>cause that's all you're getting...
<VBG>
Got a dozen tubes of KY also......
>
>Believe me.
>In the long run, it's not about beans and bullets.
>It's diapers and kotex, and toilet paper.
Im low on butt wipe. Ive only got 150 rolls.
>
>Anything less and you are on your own.
>
>At least that's what Dorothy tells me....
>I believe her, too!
>
>(ok, I'm not willing to go it alone.
> but what's the difference???)
Doing it alone is its own punishment.
Misery loves company..or so its claimed.
Thats why I travel with dogs. Very smart dogs.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
Aw, Give him a break!
Gunner if facing his own mortality - and not enjoying it.
He is hoping (and secretly praying) that the rest of us have to deal
with his misguided hopes and dreams.
Sorry, Dude.
Looks like we are not going that way after all...
Bye.
Odd...I learned about my personal mortality in Vietnam some 39 yrs ago.
And Ive died 4 times since then, fortunately they brought me back. Last
time was the result of open heart surgery for 4.5 hours..the time before
that was a post op shot of Demerol after back surgery which resulted in
a Code Blue, and so forth.
Shrug..I know Im not going to live forever. Ive known that since..hummm
1968, when I ran the Norton Commando into the side of a Studebaker at
over 70 miles per hour. That was reinforced by a chute streamer 3 yrs
later...and so forth. Shrug. Death is no stranger to me. Ive delivered
it many many many times in Vietnam, and a few times since then. Someday
it will be my turn. Hopefuly Ill live into my 90s like most of the other
males in my family. With luck.
But I take the best care I can, go armed, keep up the martial arts, (now
that Im a year and change past the triple bypass and later stroke),
speak slow and strike quickly and so forth.
Im not afraid to die. Shrug...Ive lived and died many previous life
times in the past. But frankly..Im hardly ready to go yet, too much to
do, too much too see, too many untouched ladies willing to lay down and
dally with me. But..if it sneaks up on me...Ill simply ride a turn on
the Cosmic Wheel and be born again. And again..and again.
Being Buddhist has some advantages. I dont go to hell like you guys. I
simply play it again.
Gunner
'scuse me, that would be 10 kinds of people.
Get a job.
Including the one that chose suicide rather than living with you.
Maybe he means those who can count in binary and those who can't?
You're right, Lew. But the quicker they do that, the quicker the
unwashed will begin the "process of healing."
Suppress on, media! Suppress on! Fire up the cullers, media. It's
your bed, you sleep in it. Water that tree of Liberty!
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:51:57 -0600, Lewis Hartswick
><lhart...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
>>> getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
>>> All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
>>> except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
>>> have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
>>> Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
>>> thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
>>> When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
>>> psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
>>> dude. Mark my words.
>>
>>Problem is Larry, It'll never get out. The "media" will hush up
>>all the un-happy bitchin that soon will be out there. :-(
>> ...Lew...
>
>
>Until the Leftwing Media becomes a nice fat group of targets for anyone
>with a tinsey bit of knowledge and a high power rifle, or a truck load
>of fertilizer. Im afraid its gonna change the face of Rockefeller Plaza
>and others....
I truly hope that nobody uses truck bombs here in the USA. (External)
Terrorists would be quick to take up the slack and we'd have a fine
mess here. Please pass this on to the cullers: No bombings, no
innocent loss of life, please. Liberty is best served by surgical
removal of the cancer.
>Being Buddhist has some advantages. I dont go to hell like you guys. I
>simply play it again.
"He hit the big REPEAT button in the sky..."
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:32:44 -0700, Larry Jaques
Ayup, more water, canned goods, and propane today. Better safe than
sorry.
I wonder, if I get cases of chili, could I refill the propane
cannisters myself?
If you want to know what to do just listen to the right wingers and then
do the opposite of what they advise. The fact is the economy is
improving. Everything is starting to get better. The results for the
first quarter will be coming out in a couple of weeks and the
expectations are that corporate revenue is going to be really good.
Businesses are making a lot of money. Profits are up, the stock market
is at nearly 11 thousand. People are spending much more than last year
and even real estate is turning. Oh, and health care is passed so things
like pre-existing conditions won't keep you from getting insurance, kids
are now all covered by insurance, parents can keep their children on
their policies until they are 26, and you can't have your insurance
dropped if you get sick. All those things happen right now. That will
help many people. So if you look around you can't help but see things
are getting better all over and the next thing to improve will be
employment. All in all, things are really looking up. So what are the
wingers doing? Predicting the end of the world, stocking supplies, and
that things are headed down. You listen to them at your own peril. Now's
the time to invest in America. We actually have competent people in
power for the first time in a decade. No wonder things are improving. No
republicans to screw things up.
Hawke
Did ANY liberal do ANY math? I just love how they say how this is all going
to get paid for! If I had accounting like that, I'd be in jail!
> As they say, there are three kinds of people, those who can count and
> those who cannot.
>
> i
Don't feel bad, it seems not too many people did ANY math on this bill. I
wish I could avoid GAAP and do MY books like that, but I'd be in jail in no
time.
The system will quickly gyrate to free, Gov. single payer with a big fat VAT
to pay for it all. Since there are a lot more "Takers" than "Producers",
they WIN!!! This plan has been in the works for generations. Destroy
education---check! Destroy morals and family values---check! Attack
religion---check! Control all energy---check! Subsidize the worst parts of
society and tax the crap out of the best---check! Attack the 2nd
Amendment---check! Get as many as possible reliant on the Gov.---check!
Import millions of new voters to support the take-over---check! Punish
wealth creation---check! They WIN!!! But, why destroy the greatest
country that ever was just to be able to take control of the ashes? Is it
better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven? They seem to think so.
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:26:05 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>I truly hope that nobody uses truck bombs here in the USA. (External)
>Terrorists would be quick to take up the slack and we'd have a fine
>mess here. Please pass this on to the cullers: No bombings, no
>innocent loss of life, please. Liberty is best served by surgical
>removal of the cancer.
In Kalifornia it'll be short-circuited Priuses :-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
If you have a surplus of good Karma, you would come back as one of my
sister's pets. Wait, that sounds kinky... In other words, her dogs are
spoiled.
And then Obamacare will kick in and many small businesses will be unable to
stay in business, and unemployment will go up as the quality of healthcare
goes down. The unemployed won't be able to eat unless their doctor gives
them a prescription for food.
RogerN
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:27:28 -0500, cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One assumes you have stocked up on food, water, consumables and plenty
>>> of ammo, barbed wire, etc etc?
>>>
>>> If not..best be about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>>> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>>> the subject." Grey Ghost
>>
>>
>>How many Pampers do you have, Guys?
>>What? No pampers?
>
>20 cases.
Just throw them into the yard when you're done? what a nasty dump run
that'd make when the clouds cleared.
>>Well then, how many boxes of Kotex do you have?
>>HUH? None of those either???
>
>2 cases
Damn, I knew I forgot something on my grocery list. I'll just get a
box. If I need more than that, I'll have bled out beyond return
already.
>>Well, then, your sexual preference had better be self abuse, fellas,
>>cause that's all you're getting...
>
><VBG>
>
>Got a dozen tubes of KY also......
So, in the event that someone makes it through the concertina wire,
your warning will be good? "You're really fucked now, bozo."
>On 2010-03-23, Larry Jaques <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:25 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus7894
>><ignora...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On 2010-03-22, Ignoramus7894 <ignora...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> wrote:
>>>> My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
>>>> legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
>>>> reasons.
>>>
>>>Hm, I said for two reasons, but listed three reasons. Does not look
>>>too good.
>>
>> What's that 4. doing down there? Go sober up, son. <g>
>>
>
>4, technically, was not a reason.
Then why did it follow the numbering of the reasons, hmmm? <g>
>As they say, there are three kinds of people, those who can count and
>those who cannot.
Ayup.
There are good parts to the health care bill but there's enough bad to make
it bad overall. Also, if someone calling me on the phone and telling me
only the good parts about the bill I'd agree with them just to get off the
phone with them if nothing else. Did the pollsters describe how money would
be taken from them and pay for abortions for those to stupid to use birth
control? Not everybody in this country is immoral, but the immoral in this
country vote Democrat. Atheists, Homosexuals, liberals, terrorists, drug
addicts, murderers, rapists, those that engage in bestiality, all the
immoral in general vote Democrat, and that's the majority.
RogerN
When I went through Regressive Hypnotism many years ago, the professer
discovered Id been male, female, young, old etc etc when Id lived the
previous lifetimes. Some ended early..others I lived a long time. But
no notice was made of me being an animal, damnit. It would have been
nice to have been a stud breeder as a break between being a peasent
dying of a broken leg or a woman dying in childbirth etc etc
Sigh. Of course...he didnt speak dog, so perhaps he missed a few
lives?
Choking to death on chlorine in a trench in 1917 was one of the worst I
can recall...and I keep that one tucked way way away back in a dark room
in the back of my skull.
Lets see...I made..grossed a tiny bit under $18k last year.
Now it appears that my contribution would be $15k
Leaving me $3k to live on for a full year.
Thats $250 a month to live on
Or $62.50 a week to live on.
That of course wont pay for my fuel, let alone my power, water bill etc
etc so Ill have to move into Section 8 housing and buy a PS3 to play as
I sit in the Sec 8 housing waiting to die.
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:20:56 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:27:28 -0500, cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One assumes you have stocked up on food, water, consumables and plenty
>>>> of ammo, barbed wire, etc etc?
>>>>
>>>> If not..best be about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>>>> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
>>>> the subject." Grey Ghost
>>>
>>>
>>>How many Pampers do you have, Guys?
>>>What? No pampers?
>>
>>20 cases.
>
>Just throw them into the yard when you're done? what a nasty dump run
>that'd make when the clouds cleared.
Nope..those are for Trading Stock. I dont have any little kids here,
though others in the area do, and One can assume that they would be
willing to trade for Pampers rather than use the old standby of cloth
diapers and wash them in a bucket. No streams around here...shrug.
>
>
>>>Well then, how many boxes of Kotex do you have?
>>>HUH? None of those either???
>>
>>2 cases
>
>Damn, I knew I forgot something on my grocery list. I'll just get a
>box. If I need more than that, I'll have bled out beyond return
>already.
You dont want tampons for wound management, you want napkins..large and
extra absorbant. I have 5 cases.
>
>
>>>Well, then, your sexual preference had better be self abuse, fellas,
>>>cause that's all you're getting...
>>
>><VBG>
>>
>>Got a dozen tubes of KY also......
>
>So, in the event that someone makes it through the concertina wire,
>your warning will be good? "You're really fucked now, bozo."
Thats actually not a bad idea!
But I keep that sort of thing around for trading stock mostly.
KY has a number of uses besides a sex aid...
Guner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
>Don't feel bad, it seems not too many people did ANY math on this bill. I
>wish I could avoid GAAP and do MY books like that, but I'd be in jail in no
>time.
Absolutely. If I ran my finances like the government, I'd be in ruin.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
>When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
>getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
>All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
>except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
>have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
>Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
>thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
>When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
>psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
>dude. Mark my words.
I watch WJ every day. There are a lot of them that think free or 100 to 200 bucks a month
is going to be the fee. Those in that price range that qualify are going to be on
medicaid and I know they are not getting anything where I get my health care. That
practice hasn't accepted new medicaid patients in years.
I'm taken by my watching and often listening to WJ since I'm usually playing the morning
show on my PVR at night when I go to bed, that those that support the Obamunists have a
very shakey grip on economics. These people think it is going to be close to free and
easy to obtain.
Wes
>Problem is Larry, It'll never get out. The "media" will hush up
>all the un-happy bitchin that soon will be out there. :-(
> ...Lew...
Between Fox News and the internet, the word will get out.
>Lets see...I made..grossed a tiny bit under $18k last year.
But you said that you drove millions of miles or some such
foolishness, so the net was only a fraction.
>Now it appears that my contribution would be $15k
You've been dodging bills for your entire adult life, and for as long
as you've been posting up until lately when you found a way to get web
access for free, you chose paying your ISP over property taxes. Oh
wait, you're going to say that you're paying for illegal shared wifi?
Too funny. Regardless, it couldn't be clearer that there's no chance
in hell you'd pay for your own healthcare even if it was only $1 per
day.
>Leaving me $3k to live on for a full year.
No, because if we follow your "logic", then you wouldn't have a
nickel.
>Thats $250 a month to live on
If the lifestyle you describe in your posts costs anything close to
that, then you should ask for a refund. Get off your butt and ask the
nearest street person for some self-improvement tips.
>Or $62.50 a week to live on.
Let me guess... on the day in grade 2 when they tried to teach you how
many weeks are in a year, you were asleep and dreaming about how you
were going to squeeze the life out of oilcan harry?
>That of course wont pay for my fuel, let alone my power, water bill etc
>etc so Ill have to move into Section 8 housing and buy a PS3 to play as
>I sit in the Sec 8 housing waiting to die.
So? That's pretty much what you've been doing for years, sitting on
your ass playing silly games on Usenet and waiting for the next
ambulance adventure/pity party. Nothing anyone or any government does
will change it one iota. Still, it's hilarious to think of the smoke
that must be coming out of your ears the last two days. Oh how the
"mighty" have fallen... after more than a decade of blowing hot air
about kicking ass, your latest threat is that you'll move into public
housing in order to increase your level of leeching. How vewwwwwy
scawwy.
Wayne
>When I went through Regressive Hypnotism many years ago
<snip>
>Choking to death on chlorine in a trench in 1917 was one of the worst I
>can recall...
What a fuc*ing loon. What's it like to spend every night dreaming
about all the great lives you're sure you should have lead, only to
wake up every morning as a toothless nitwit deadbeat in Taft?
Wayne
>You dont want tampons for wound management, you want napkins..large and
>extra absorbant. I have 5 cases.
Planning on taking quite a few hits during the "great cull", eh
gummer? Or are you thinking napkin sandwiches?
Wayne
If you want to know my prediction, which is worth what you just paid
for it, I predict a quick economic recovery. My reasoning is based on
what I observe in the liquidation auction market. Prices of usable
second hand equipment have firmed up very strongly, as of late. There
are serious buyers now, who want to build up their capacity. I will
make a separate post about it.
The effect of Obamacare on GDP, will be, at worst, a very marginal
negative. At best, it could be a positive.
i
Homosexuals - Larry Craig
Drug Addicts - Rush Limbaugh
Terrorists - Tim McVeigh
Rapists - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/12/double_fun_gop.php
As for atheists, divorce rates among atheists are not higher than
those of Christians, so I would not call atheists immoral. The source
of morals, for atheists, is not a deity, but instead their own
understanding of right and wrong.
i
Yeah, maybe. Want to bet the farm on it?
Hawke
Why not?
Brown voted for the Mass. health care bill.
He'd be a Democrat if he were from Michigan.
LOL
--
John R. Carroll
The exceptions to the rule.
> As for atheists, divorce rates among atheists are not higher than
> those of Christians, so I would not call atheists immoral. The source
> of morals, for atheists, is not a deity, but instead their own
> understanding of right and wrong.
>
> i
I agree and I have a lot of good friends that are atheists and good moral
people, but saying that doesn't help my argument here :-) But there are
also the "in your face" type of atheists with total intolerance of people
that believe in God. I think that type of atheist is scared to death that
their could be a God so they deal with it by being absolutely sure their
isn't. Anyway, with their being so many religions, how would anyone know
the right from the wrong. A lot of religions make all kinds of crazy
claims, it's one thing to make such claims but Jesus made his claim to
resurrection and then demonstrated it.
I don't recommend blind faith to anyone but I found sufficient evidence for
me to believe in Jesus. Uh, well, sort of anyway, if I had more faith then
why am I wasting time posting to political posts on this newsgroup instead
of spending time reading God's word and drawing closer to him? There has
been times in my life that I have spent my time drawing close to God and I
got results but they aren't always as fast as I want them to be. I guess I
would just say that it is difficult to be in this world 24/7 for years and
not be of this world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK1MXQxNlYI
RogerN
I've been saying it for a long time now, he's in the wrong business. He
ought to become a fiction writer. He's great at making things up. The
stories that come out of him are really something. He's like the guys
telling fish stories where they each try to outdo each other about how
big the fish they caught are. He's like the old Richard Pryor big dick
joke about the two niggers on the bridge taking a leak. The first one
says oh, that water's cold, and the second guy says, yeah, it's deep
too. That's Gunner for you. He should be lying for a living not just for
his own pleasure. I'm sure he'd make a lot more money than what he's
doing now.
Hawke
So you ignore the vast majority of criminals in prison who are Democrats
and pick and chose 3 people who you THINK fit the bill?
Homosexuals-Barney Frank
Drug Addicts-Obama
Terrorists- Klu Klux Klan (a Democrat founded organization)
Rapists - Bill Clinton
See? That was easy!
Gunner
From what I can tell the folks we call conservatives are the cancer
that needs to be removed. If there was a removal of the dead and
diseased tissue I think what would go would be the conservatives. After
all, they contribute nothing but an impediment to progress and
improvement. So when the removal of the cancer starts it's going to
begin with conservatives. I have a number of the real bad ones targeted
and ready for elimination as soon as the culling begins.
Hawke
We can't print money as we want??? DAMN!
I was told that I was an Amish farmer, a school teacher and a bookie...among
some other more boring lives. I don't have any recall so the Psychic could
have told me anything for my $20.
Bitch..bitch..bitch.
Gee Roger...what the hell is wrong with you?
Here Obama gives all those little babies you care about access to
medical care so they will grow up healthy and you still aren't happy.
Are you one of those "Baby Killers" ?
TMT
You could always sell your body.
What's the going price for a winger these days?
TMT
They will Roger...and they will vote the SOBs out who voted against
the health bill.
Worthless bastards who would deny health care to tiny babies.
TMT
Looks like the Great Conservative Cull is right on schedule.
Got your affairs in order Gunner?
TMT
It's going to be a Republican bloodbath in November.
TMT
Are you saying that President Obama is going to be killed within 2
years?
Have you presented your evidence to the Secret Service?
They would be very interested in knowing that you have guns too.
TMT
And maybe not.
Today's passing of the health bill tells you what November will be.
TMT
That may well happen. But what is funny about it is that before the
passage of the health care bill the republicans were bragging about
taking over the House in November. They were cock sure they were going
to stomp all over the Democrats in the next election. Now that the bill
has passed it's as if all the air has gone out of the republican's
balloon. As a party they are in deep shit. No leaders worth a damn, no
plan, no ideas but tax cuts and opposition to everything the other side
wants to do to improve the country. That doesn't sound like a party that
is going anywhere.
Hawke
Simply trading stock. Lots of folks will cut themselves, often badly,
some will have various surgeries performed on them by local doctors and
so forth. Sanitary napkins are a very useful commodity to have on
hand. The Ex went through menopause a few years aback, so they wont get
a lot of use except for wound management around this household.
Now Wayne...he can use them as a gag, while his large men friend pork
him in the ass, and pay him in cans of pork and beans.
Gunner
I was hoping he would be assassinated before signing the Planned Parenthood
health care abortion bill. But according to the good book, liberals would
prevail, check, homosexuality would be rampant, check, and in the end God
will come back and put them all in their place, hell, though his arms are
open and willing to accept whoever repents and comes to him.
RogerN
Obama had to bribe Democrats to get enough votes to force his plan through
that the majority of Americans didn't want. Are the Democrats not
interested in representing the people that voted for them? Evidently not.
RogerN
Not wanting the Obama/Planned Parenthood abortion bill does not mean you
want to deny healthcare to the babies that are not killed before birth. See
how you try to turn it around to something it's not, same type of lies have
worked before though.
RogerN
Is Obama going to bribe voters too? Can I get an airport in my yard?
RogerN
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:jm4hq5pf4hsjiuego...@4ax.com...
><snip>
>> Being Buddhist has some advantages. I dont go to hell like you guys. I
>> simply play it again.
>>
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>If you have a surplus of good Karma, you would come back as one of my
>sister's pets. Wait, that sounds kinky... In other words, her dogs are
>spoiled.
(It still sounds kinky. Maybe even kinkier.) <panting grin>
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:09:16 -0700, Larry Jaques <lja...@diversify.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:26:05 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
>><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>I truly hope that nobody uses truck bombs here in the USA. (External)
>>Terrorists would be quick to take up the slack and we'd have a fine
>>mess here. Please pass this on to the cullers: No bombings, no
>>innocent loss of life, please. Liberty is best served by surgical
>>removal of the cancer.
>
>In Kalifornia it'll be short-circuited Priuses :-)
Too funny! LOL
>
>"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
>news:43agq5lnn6nfl93nm...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:25 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus7894
>> <ignora...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On 2010-03-22, Ignoramus7894 <ignora...@NOSPAM.7894.invalid> wrote:
>>>> My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
>>>> legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
>>>> reasons.
>>>
>>>Hm, I said for two reasons, but listed three reasons. Does not look
>>>too good.
>>
>> What's that 4. doing down there? Go sober up, son. <g>
>
>Did ANY liberal do ANY math? I just love how they say how this is all going
>to get paid for!
Who needs math when you can lie, cheat, and steal your way into
office? Feh! Unfortunately, both sides of the aisle are guilty of
much of that. I'd be perfectly happy to randomly select a whole new
crew of 525 from the Internet Phone Book. Just say the word.
They _could_not_do_worse_ than these career CONgresscritters.
>If I had accounting like that, I'd be in jail!
Soon, if Gunner's correct, something cheaper (for us) and better (for
them) than jail awaits them.
>
>"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
>news:179gq5dbb6avrql8s...@4ax.com...
><snip>
>> When the feeble minds finally accept the fact that they won't be
>> getting healthcare for free, they are gonna come un_glued_, Ig.
>> All it'll take is a simple list of what everyone in the country (well,
>> except for the 20 million illegals) who has no insurance is going to
>> have to do to be legal. My neighbor has been watching the Washington
>> Journal early mornings and she says that people continue to call in
>> thinking they're going to get free healthcare, compliments of The O.
>> When the cost of insurance sinks in and finally hits their little
>> psyches, it'll be like the 4th of July. We're in for a shitstorm,
>> dude. Mark my words.
>>
>> Plant _that_ in your Victory garden. ;)
>
>
>The system will quickly gyrate to free, Gov. single payer with a big fat VAT
>to pay for it all. Since there are a lot more "Takers" than "Producers",
>they WIN!!! This plan has been in the works for generations. Destroy
>education---check! Destroy morals and family values---check! Attack
>religion---check! Control all energy---check! Subsidize the worst parts of
>society and tax the crap out of the best---check! Attack the 2nd
>Amendment---check! Get as many as possible reliant on the Gov.---check!
>Import millions of new voters to support the take-over---check! Punish
>wealth creation---check! They WIN!!! But, why destroy the greatest
>country that ever was just to be able to take control of the ashes? Is it
>better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven? They seem to think so.
Thank you, Gnu Whirrled Odor.
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:33:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>>>How many Pampers do you have, Guys?
>>>>What? No pampers?
>>>
>>>20 cases.
>>
>>Just throw them into the yard when you're done? what a nasty dump run
>>that'd make when the clouds cleared.
>
>Nope..those are for Trading Stock. I dont have any little kids here,
>though others in the area do, and One can assume that they would be
>willing to trade for Pampers rather than use the old standby of cloth
>diapers and wash them in a bucket. No streams around here...shrug.
There are lots of rivers (300 yards downhill to the Rogue River) and
streams around here, but not in my yard. The thought of everyone
upstream washing diapers in the water I would bathe in (or drink) is
not one I relish, KWIM,V?
>>>>Well then, how many boxes of Kotex do you have?
>>>>HUH? None of those either???
>>>
>>>2 cases
>>
>>Damn, I knew I forgot something on my grocery list. I'll just get a
>>box. If I need more than that, I'll have bled out beyond return
>>already.
>
>You dont want tampons for wound management, you want napkins..large and
>extra absorbant. I have 5 cases.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking "cigars", I was thinking "thick shoulder
pads." I guess they'd have double trading value, wouldn't they?
For the regular use and for staunching blood flow. I should get some
more tape, too. Have you ever tried the Curad adhesive tape? It
sticks very well to anything but skin. Even when I use alcohol to
clean the skin under it, that crap won't stick to me.
>But I keep that sort of thing around for trading stock mostly.
>
>KY has a number of uses besides a sex aid...
Such as? What does it do that Vaseline (at half the price) doesn't?
I've kept Vaseline in my toolbox ever since going through auto-trans
school.
Got any quick lists of goodies to stock in case of different types of
emergencies, perhaps with lists of alternative uses for each item?
>On 2010-03-23, RogerN <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> control? Not everybody in this country is immoral, but the immoral in this
>> country vote Democrat. Atheists, Homosexuals, liberals, terrorists, drug
>> addicts, murderers, rapists, those that engage in bestiality, all the
>> immoral in general vote Democrat, and that's the majority.
>
>Homosexuals - Larry Craig
>Drug Addicts - Rush Limbaugh
>Terrorists - Tim McVeigh
>Rapists - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/12/double_fun_gop.php
OK, those four were GOP voters. You realize that nearly -all- the rest
were Dems, don't you, Ig? <sigh>
>As for atheists, divorce rates among atheists are not higher than
>those of Christians, so I would not call atheists immoral. The source
>of morals, for atheists, is not a deity, but instead their own
>understanding of right and wrong.
Whatever works for 'em and keeps 'em honest is a good thing.
Please post the exact wording in the bill that funds abortions, If you
can't or won't do that, then STFU.
Gunner...are you threatening the President?
It sure sounds like it.
TMT
Don't you mean 'Porked Beans"?
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
You left out:
Most crooked city-Chicago
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:46:17 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>KY has a number of uses besides a sex aid...
>
>Such as? What does it do that Vaseline (at half the price) doesn't?
>I've kept Vaseline in my toolbox ever since going through auto-trans
>school.
>
I did once use it as lubricant for getting a very inflexible motorcycle tyre
onto an alloy wheel. Hey, it worked! SWMBO did say I could keep the rest of
the tube in the toolbox :-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
Sure you can. Print all you want. Spending it is going to be a problem
though.
Hawke
Funny, I hear the exact same thing from the Muslims. According to them
you're an infidel. If I was you I'd repent and go to Allah unless you
want to burn in hell for eternity. Lucky for me I don't have to worry. I
think both Christians and Muslims are full of shit.
Hawke