GLOAT and brake control 101
Karl Townsend
deck over dual tandem axles, 16" truck tires, beaver tail with flip down
ramps. I could safely haul a 25,000 lb. machine using my truck.
My '93 truck has a brake controller that hasn't worked for years. And the
trailer uses a new standard for electrical connections that is not on this
truck. I went to Bumper bumper, got a female of this seven spade bullet plug
and played around enough to get running and brake lights.
One easy question, there must be a standard for this electrical coupler.
Anyone know it?
question 2. Is there any info on brake controllers and repair? Or are they
maintenance free? (just get another)
Karl
Pete C.
7 position round shell connector with six flat blades surrounding one
round center pin? That's the RV standard, that has become the norm for
most everything non-commercial these days. Check RV.net and I'm sure you
can find a wiring diagram. It's also standard on pretty much all newer
trucks with factory tow package, so you can probably grab a manual for a
truck and get the pinouts.
With that big trailer, I'd want a new good brake controller, like a
Prodigy, which is highly rated in the RV world.
co_f...@yahoo.com
wrote:
perhaps this will get you started:
http://www.etrailer.com/faq-wiring.aspx
Paul
Ignoramus22050
> A nearly new gooseneck trailer followed me home from the auction. Its a 36'
> deck over dual tandem axles, 16" truck tires, beaver tail with flip down
> ramps. I could safely haul a 25,000 lb. machine using my truck.
Cool. Do you have a CDL?
i
Snag
I like the Primus proportional I've got for our 25' camper . Model number
89753 , adjustable for everything that can be adjusted and easy to set up .
Oh , and Karl , if you look on the back side of those 7 pin round
connector , they're marked for what wire goes where . Be sure to fuse the
main power supply for those brakes at the battery ...
--
Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF
Karl Townsend
>perhaps this will get you started:
>http://www.etrailer.com/faq-wiring.aspx
>Paul
Thanks, just what I need.
Karl Townsend
"Ignoramus22050" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> wrote in message
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Farmers in MN don't need one if within 150 miles of home. My son had been
talking to me about just buying a semi. I'm worried about a rule change so
went this route.
This should help me get light home use hobby machines home.
Karl
Steve W.
Exception for Farmers (49 CFR Part 383) Generally, a CDL is not
required for operators of a farm vehicle that is: Controlled and
operated by a farmer, including operation by employees or family
members if the vehicle is:
? Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery,
farm supplies or both to or from a farm
? Not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier; and
? Is used within 241 kilometers (150 miles) of the farmer’s farm
> Exemptions:
>
> Each State must exempt from the requirements of 49 CFR 383
> individuals who operate CMVs for military purposes. This exception is
> applicable to active duty military personnel; members of the military
> reserves; member of the national guard on active duty, including
> personnel on full-time national guard duty, personnel on part-time
> national guard training, and national guard military technicians
> (civilians who are required to wear military uniforms); and active
> duty U.S. Coast Guard personnel. This exception is not applicable to
> U.S. Reserve technicians.
>
> A State may, at its discretion, exempt firefighters, emergency
> response vehicle drivers, farmers and drivers removing snow and ice
> in small communities from the CDL requirements, subject to certain
> conditions. The use of this waiver is limited to the driver's home
> State unless there is a reciprocity agreement with adjoining States.
>
> In addition, a State may issue a restricted license and waive the CDL
> knowledge and skills testing requirements for seasonal drivers in
> farm-related service industries and may waive certain knowledge and
> skills testing requirements for drivers in remote areas of Alaska. A
> State can also waive the CDL hazardous materials endorsement test
> requirements for part-time drivers working for the pyrotechnics
> industry, subject to certain conditions.
--
Steve W.
Ignoramus22050
> Karl Townsend wrote:
>> "Ignoramus22050" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:LpOdnYLE6umXqwTW...@giganews.com...
>>> On 2010-03-11, Karl Townsend <karltown...@embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A nearly new gooseneck trailer followed me home from the auction.
>>>> Its a 36' deck over dual tandem axles, 16" truck tires, beaver
>>>> tail with flip down ramps. I could safely haul a 25,000 lb.
>>>> machine using my truck.
>>> Cool. Do you have a CDL?
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Farmers in MN don't need one if within 150 miles of home. My son had
>> been talking to me about just buying a semi. I'm worried about a rule
>> change so went this route.
>>
>> This should help me get light home use hobby machines home.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Exception for Farmers (49 CFR Part 383) Generally, a CDL is not
> required for operators of a farm vehicle that is: Controlled and
> operated by a farmer, including operation by employees or family
> members if the vehicle is:
> ? Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery,
> farm supplies or both to or from a farm
> ? Not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier; and
A lathe would not be farm machinery.
I am only mentioning this because I nearly got seriously fucked by
police, as mentioned in the "I was almost impounded" thread. Only
several strokes of luck saved me (a lucky google search at the site
where I was stopped)
Some guy having a bad day could seriously ruin your plans Karl.
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Bruce L. Bergman
<co_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mar 11, 9:02 am, "Karl Townsend" <karltownsend....@embarqmail.com>
>wrote:
>> A nearly new gooseneck trailer followed me home from the auction. Its a 36'
>> deck over dual tandem axles, 16" truck tires, beaver tail with flip down
>> ramps. I could safely haul a 25,000 lb. machine using my truck.
OB "You Suck!" ;-)
>> My '93 truck has a brake controller that hasn't worked for years. And the
>> trailer uses a new standard for electrical connections that is not on this
>> truck. I went to Bumper bumper, got a female of this seven spade bullet plug
>> and played around enough to get running and brake lights.
>>
>> One easy question, there must be a standard for this electrical coupler.
>> Anyone know it?
>>
>> question 2. Is there any info on brake controllers and repair? Or are they
>> maintenance free? (just get another)
>>
>> Karl
>
>perhaps this will get you started:
>
>http://www.etrailer.com/faq-wiring.aspx
That is a good start, but you might want to place both a 7-pin
Bargman (flat pin, travel trailer) and a 7-pin Pollak (round pin,
commercial trucks) connector, because you'll run into both.
You can pick one and get adapters to do the others, but you'll go
nuts with adapters on adapters.
How heavy is your truck? You really need a 1-ton or better if you
are going to load that trailer to full capacity.
Brake controllers are like most modern mass-produced consumer
electronics - If it isn't something simple like a blown fuse, or a
wiring error, or a setup and adjust error - toss it and get another if
you aren't able to break it open and do component level repairs
yourself.
Sending it out for repair will cost a minimum of $60 labor to (let's
say) $120 with parts, and no guarantees on how long it'll last. A
brand new unit in a box, with a warranty, is $89.95.
(And when they break under warranty, they often just throw it out
and send you a new one off the stack...)
You have to get into the expensive stuff before doing component
level repairs starts making sense.
--<< Bruce >>--
Pete C.
Farmers have a long history of repairing and maintaining their farm
machines. Any sort of metalworking equipment could reasonably considered
"farm machinery", i.e. a lathe is necessary to machine replacement
shafts and pins for other farm machinery. It is part of the farm
maintenance shop.
Ned Simmons
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> wrote:
>
>A lathe would not be farm machinery.
>
Here on the coast a hack machinist or welder is called a farmer, so it
stands to reason that a lathe is farm machinery. I suppose if you go
inland a bit the pejorative becomes fisherman, so a lathe must also be
fishing gear.
--
Ned Simmons
Pete C.
A 25,000# machine, on a trailer that can handle that load will gross
well past the capacity of a 1 ton truck, even a dually. You're looking
at an easy 30,000# gross trailer load which is maxing a class 4 truck. I
wouldn't want to move that load with less than a class 5 truck. A 1 ton
truck would do fine for moving the trailer empty of course.
co_f...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Karl, obviously you already have a goose-neck hitch, but not a brake
controller. If you are interested in combining a controller with a new
hitch, I recommend this company:
http://www.acumenbrake.com/
The 5th wheel trailer hitch and controller are a previous version, but
electronics and software the same. It uses strain gauges on the hitch
to detect when and how much braking force to apply to the trailer
brakes. The controller also works with a standard ball hitch, but not
automatically.
I have it on my '97 Dodge 2500 4x4 and pull a 27ft Cougar 5th wheel.
Have never had a problem and there is no monkeying around trying to
find the correct setting for the braking action. Newer Ford and
perhaps other trucks have a built-in controller, but our trucks are
much before that accessory was included.
Paul
Ignoramus22050
I hope that the local policeman will agree with you!
Ignoramus22050
Well, if the fishing boat needs an anchor...
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RLM
Will this help? I didn't read the other posts so you may already be aware
of this.
Larry Jaques
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> scrawled the following:
He would have bought something at the local Obama Motors, um, I mean
GM dealer.
--
There is no such thing as limits to growth, because there are no limits
to the human capacity for intelligence, imagination, and wonder.
-- Ronald Reagan
Roger Shoaf
"Ignoramus22050" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> wrote in message
>
> A lathe would not be farm machinery.
>
While a lathe might not be an implement of husbandry, it most certainly can
be classed as farm machinery if it is to be used on the farm. Irrigation
pipes are round, pumps for the sprayer can be re-worked on a lathe etc.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
Roger Shoaf
"Ned Simmons" <ne...@nedsim.com> wrote in message
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Within 100 miles of my home there are three fish farms that grow sturgeon
for caviar. Fish or cattle it makes no difference.
Larry Jaques
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>"Ignoramus22050" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22050.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> A lathe would not be farm machinery.
>>
>
>While a lathe might not be an implement of husbandry, it most certainly can
>be classed as farm machinery if it is to be used on the farm. Irrigation
>pipes are round, pumps for the sprayer can be re-worked on a lathe etc.
"And the little woman uses the lathe to part off rings from the old
irrigation pipes which she then welds together for yard art which the
visiting yuppies buy on the weekends."