Are the roads passable? Is the power on? Are the critical
systems like grocery stores working?
Everyone OK?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Since when did Denver move to the Midwest?
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
About the same time it became On Topic in RCM!
Steve
You know, I've always wondered about that.
Why is the eastern quarter of the US the mid west?
Because Chicago was on the western edge of the Northwest
Territory.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
news:12602052...@news01.syix.com...
Now that's even stranger!
I always thought the Northwest Territory was the western half of Canada.
There were three of them in the US, and one in Canada. We kept redefining
the Northwest Territory in the US as we moved westward. The one Pyotr is
referring to was the first, which included Ohio.
I mean, when Pittsburgh is the western frontier of civilization, what do you
call Cincinnati?
--
Ed Huntress
Home of WKRP (and damned little else these days)
>
> There were three of them in the US, and one in Canada. We kept redefining
> the Northwest Territory in the US as we moved westward. The one Pyotr is
> referring to was the first, which included Ohio.
>
> I mean, when Pittsburgh is the western frontier of civilization, what do you
> call Cincinnati?
"That blue-law town in the southwest of the Ohio territory where they
roll up the streets at 9:00PM."
That description also applies now that Cincinnati is in the Eastern US.:)
>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hfj1pf$hh2$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> One more time, the midwest USA (in particular, Denver, CO)
>> is getting a snow storm before the rest of the country. Do
>> we have anyone in that area?
>>
>> Are the roads passable? Is the power on? Are the critical
>> systems like grocery stores working?
>>
>> Everyone OK?
>>
>Since when did Denver move to the Midwest?
<http://www.tinyurl.com/899et>
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Has to be the "midwest". Of course, I'm from where you go east
for Cowboys.
It is, now, if you are Canadian. If you are Pakistani, or old
British Raj, the Northwest Territories are that region near the Afghan
border.
As far as midwest, I consider Denver the eastern edge of the West.
Anything east of the Mississippi is the East, and you can keep it.
Stan
It all depends on your situation. I'm from that part of the
country which considers Denver as "back East" some where. 'Over near
Chicago, I think.'
I'm reading Niall Ferguson's "The Ascent of Money" and he has a
chapter on "Chiamerica" - how China and the US for a long time had a
symbiotic economic relationship - and everybody was getting rich (at
least, locally). But at one point he writes "For a time it seemed
like a marriage made in heaven. The East Chimericans did the saving,
the West Chimericans did the spending." Say what? The Americans did
the spending .. oh, he's got that east coast/Europe "Atlantic Centric"
perspective, where the US is "west" and the China is "east". But here
on the US Left coast, umm ... China is "west", and the "Americans" are
'east'.
tschus
pyotr
> But here
>on the US Left coast, umm ... China is "west", and the "Americans" are
>'east'.
>
But only for you folk on the backside of the earth ;-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
Porkopolis
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
> One more time, the midwest USA (in particular, Denver, CO) is getting a
> snow storm before the rest of the country. Do we have anyone in that area?
>
> Are the roads passable? Is the power on? Are the critical systems like
> grocery stores working?
>
> Everyone OK?
In California, it's been snowing in the mountains for some time, and
nasty cold everywhere else.
Cheers!
Rich
It was named before "the west was won"? ;-)
Maybe the right-coasters think everything to the left of Indiana is "The
West". ;-)
When I moved to CA from MN, the left-coasters called MN "back east." ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Fort Apache? ;-)
Actually, it was never the "frontier of civilization". The Original
Americans were civilized for hundreds of years before the white Europeans
brought them measles, smallpox, dysentery, plague, cholera, alcohol, etc.,
and steamrollered over the "treaties," raping their women and slaughtering
men, women, and children.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Right.
-
pyotr filipivich
Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois
Compare to European history after Rome fell.
jsw
Not much different. The main difference is that the Iroquois
never seem to fully exploit the iron deposits.
One of the Huntress women was kidnapped with another woman and a young boy
by Iroquois, during one of the early wars of the French and Indian series.
She killed four of them while they slept, scalped them, and collected �50
for the scalps. It isn't recorded whether she had them in a bag or just
handed them over by the hair.
Anyway, attitudes have changed over the years. To my early New Hampshire
relatives, the raiding "Original Americans" allied with the French were just
another type of fur-bearing animal.
--
Ed Huntress
Sorry, Mark, but Europe is the backside. Here's the map to prove it:
--
To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen
to what the world tells you you ought to prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson
>On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:03:42 +0000, the infamous Mark Rand
><ra...@internettie.co.uk> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:17:09 -0800, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> But here
>>>on the US Left coast, umm ... China is "west", and the "Americans" are
>>>'east'.
>>>
>>
>>But only for you folk on the backside of the earth ;-)
>
>Sorry, Mark, but Europe is the backside. Here's the map to prove it:
>
>http://fwd4.me/7pq
The cheek of it!
:-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
>On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:03:42 +0000, the infamous Mark Rand
><ra...@internettie.co.uk> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:17:09 -0800, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> But here
>>>on the US Left coast, umm ... China is "west", and the "Americans" are
>>>'east'.
>>>
>>
>>But only for you folk on the backside of the earth ;-)
>
>Sorry, Mark, but Europe is the backside. Here's the map to prove it:
>
>http://fwd4.me/7pq
That fetched a grin!
That's what was said when the naked man sat down to play the
piano.
Racist!
But only if you consider raiding, murdering, enslaving, raping and
slaughtering each others tribes to be "civilized"
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:10:30 -0800, Rich Grise <rich...@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:53:17 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>
>>> I mean, when Pittsburgh is the western frontier of civilization,
>>> what do you call Cincinnati?
>>
>>Fort Apache? ;-)
>>
>>Actually, it was never the "frontier of civilization". The Original
>>Americans were civilized for hundreds of years before the white
>>Europeans brought them measles, smallpox, dysentery, plague, cholera,
>>alcohol, etc., and steamrollered over the "treaties," raping their
>>women and slaughtering men, women, and children.
>>
>>Hope This Helps!
>>Rich
>>
>
> But only if you consider raiding, murdering, enslaving, raping and
> slaughtering each others tribes to be "civilized"
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
You just described Medieval Europe's concept of "Civilization".
Also Rome's, Stalinist Russia's, and Nazi Germany's.
Thus, by European Standards, the practices you described would seem to be
the very definition of "Civilization".
I also just described Native American culture prior to the whiteman
showing up..as well as long afterwards.
If you think Native Americans were peaceful people...you are absolutely
nutz.
While they didnt kill entire tribes...they often killed enough of them
that taking over the rest of them was easy.
Gunner, Native American
Shoot, Civilization requires "Civias" - Cities. Without those,
you can't be Civilized. All the rest is just social patterns.
tschus
pyotr
The "war bride" school of cultural diffusion. Remember the Romans
and the Sabine women?
There's a tribe down in the Carib, where the women speak a
different language than the men, because way back when all the men
were killed, and the women spared.
Ohhhhh!!! Ok. Thanks for explaining his world view to me.
He really is fucked up isnt he?
Gunner
>
>
>tschus
>pyotr
>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
gunner!
Would you kindly quit taunting the trolls and go make my part???
>
>
> Racist!
No, Mike, Ed is a champion for zero tolerance of racist intolerance, a
socially progressive vituperative critic of those who say or write
words that anyone might regard as having any racist implication. See
previous RCM thread: "Where it all began" 11/30/2009
It was Ed's early New Hampshire relatives that regarded "original
Americans" as fur-bearing animals. Perhaps Ed merely repeats it here
as a historical note to ensure that we don't forget how some of our
ancestors regarded "original Americans".
Does Brasso work on halos? <G>
Ill crank it out in the morning. I slept most of Saturday..was gone for
almost 2 weeks, came home Wed night, loaded machinery, and was gone
Thursday morning right back south.
Gunner
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:mquqi5l0d7pkh5um8...@4ax.com...
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:p7udnXht7o4oPLDW...@earthlink.com...
> Ohhhhh!!! Ok. Thanks for explaining his world view to me.
>
> He really is fucked up isnt he?
Native American cities existed all over the Western Hemisphere long before
Eric The Red tried to take the long way back to Scandanavia...
Archeologists are STILL amazed at the quality of their construction. <GRIN>
Yes indeed they did. But we were not discussing their "cities" but
their lack of "civilization"....chuckle
Gunner
> On 20 Dec 2009 21:00:05 GMT, Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in
>>news:nd5ri5tau07lask9v...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Ohhhhh!!! Ok. Thanks for explaining his world view to me.
>>>
>>> He really is fucked up isnt he?
>>
>>Native American cities existed all over the Western Hemisphere long
>>before Eric The Red tried to take the long way back to Scandanavia...
>>
>>Archeologists are STILL amazed at the quality of their construction.
>><GRIN>
>
> Yes indeed they did. But we were not discussing their "cities" but
> their lack of "civilization"....chuckle
>
>
> Gunner
According the poster to which you were responding, "Civilization"
referred to - and only to - the building/occupation of cities. <grin>
By either "definition" Western Hemisphere pre-Columbian and -Viking
residents would have been considered "Civilized".
Their level of science/mathmatics rivalled and, in some cases, exceeded
Europeans. <GRIN>
>Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in
>news:fn7ti5pqau1am8nru...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 20 Dec 2009 21:00:05 GMT, Eregon <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in
>>>news:nd5ri5tau07lask9v...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Ohhhhh!!! Ok. Thanks for explaining his world view to me.
>>>>
>>>> He really is fucked up isnt he?
>>>
>>>Native American cities existed all over the Western Hemisphere long
>>>before Eric The Red tried to take the long way back to Scandanavia...
>>>
>>>Archeologists are STILL amazed at the quality of their construction.
>>><GRIN>
>>
>> Yes indeed they did. But we were not discussing their "cities" but
>> their lack of "civilization"....chuckle
>>
>>
>> Gunner
>
>According the poster to which you were responding, "Civilization"
>referred to - and only to - the building/occupation of cities. <grin>
>
>By either "definition" Western Hemisphere pre-Columbian and -Viking
>residents would have been considered "Civilized".
>
>Their level of science/mathmatics rivalled and, in some cases, exceeded
>Europeans. <GRIN>
Indeed. And yet they, like the Europeans..killed with much joy and
abandon. Contrary to the posters claim they were all sitting around in
circles, giveing group hugs and singing Kumbya <G>
Well, what goes on in the sweat lodge, stays in the sweat lodge.
There is, however, the situation of "amoral familialist" - that is
to say, there is Us Human Beings, and the rest. One does not lie to,
or steal from, Human Beings. Neither shall you murder, rape or
otherwise be antisocial to Human Beings. But those outside the tribe
- they don't really count, so its not like you're doing something
'bad'.
A more modern example is what happened post Kristalnacht. Several
National Socialist Workers Party members were expelled after it was
learned that they had raped some Jews. Not for the rapes, per se, but
for having sexual relations with Jews. (Wie sagt man "eeuuwww"?)
toodles
Oh, well. him.
Some how the question came up, and I quipped, "Well, of course!
With all those party uniforms they had to design, someone _must_have
had _some_ fashion sense!"
Them...actually. Quite a herd of them.
>
> Some how the question came up, and I quipped, "Well, of course!
>With all those party uniforms they had to design, someone _must_have
>had _some_ fashion sense!"
Of course...check out his attire. Spify and immaculately cut and fitted.
What more could a Nazi ask for?
Gunner
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
You know, that may explain why you rarely see gays dressed up like
Communists, acting out their little fantasies. Weird.
pyotr
>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
>about Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:59:39 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm
>>>
>>> Oh, well. him.
>>
>>Them...actually. Quite a herd of them.
>>>
>>> Some how the question came up, and I quipped, "Well, of course!
>>>With all those party uniforms they had to design, someone _must_have
>>>had _some_ fashion sense!"
>>
>>Of course...check out his attire. Spify and immaculately cut and fitted.
>>What more could a Nazi ask for?
>
> You know, that may explain why you rarely see gays dressed up like
>Communists, acting out their little fantasies. Weird.
>
>
>pyotr
Of course. Threadbare and rumpled Commisar uniforms really dont project
a lot of "style"
Gunner
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:sqnvi51gnqiek996p...@4ax.com...
Thread drift, it is a bizarre thing.
There are two essential things about Surrealism to keep in mind:
Power tools, Giraffes and the Lincoln Memorial.
>Let the Record show that "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> on or about Mon, 21 Dec 2009
>19:29:39 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>Snow storms do strange things to a man's mind.
>
>Thread drift, it is a bizarre thing.
>
> There are two essential things about Surrealism to keep in mind:
>
> Power tools, Giraffes and the Lincoln Memorial.
Dont forget #3
"Crisco"
Gunner
>
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:piu0j5lqios9d9kou...@4ax.com...
Sysco Cid, he was a frond of mine....
Remember, When you are up before a Kangaroo court, it is trial by
Joey.
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
The contents of this .signature is fictitious. No similarity to actual
.signatures, digital or hardcopy, is intended or should be inferred.
I don't know. I've never used it on tin plating.
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
All true.
>
> It was Ed's early New Hampshire relatives that regarded "original
> Americans" as fur-bearing animals.
Not at all. I said the *raiding* "original Americans.
Do you know what the Iroquois were doing on the New Hampshire and Maine
coasts? Have you ever studied the French and Indian Wars?
The French hired them as mercenaries in Quebec, because they were the most
vicious and ruthless killers of the Indian tribes. They paid them and sent
them down to the coast, where they murdered hundreds of English settlers and
burned their homes -- with the people inside. They did it for fun -- almost
the entire reason for living, for an Iroquois male, was to kill other
people -- but it took some money to send them all the way down from Quebec.
They raped, burned, and slaughtered any English they found. Before long, the
English settlers got pissed about this and started killing Iroquois. As I
mentioned, one of my relatives had been kidnapped (during an Iroquois attack
on Bloody Point) and she killed four of them in their sleep, smashing their
heads in with rocks, and scalped them for the bounty offered by
Massachusetts Colony. The bounties in Massachusetts started at 50 pounds but
had dropped to 12 pounds, 10 shillings by the time she turned in her scalps.
That still was serious money. Since a dead Iroquois was therefore quite
valuable, they became something like beavers became to later settlers. d8-)
With good reason. The Iroquois were not some poor race that had been
enslaved and then marginalized for the entertainment of white trash that
needed someone to put down, so they could feel better about themselves. They
were predatory animals that happened to be human.
> Perhaps Ed merely repeats it here
> as a historical note to ensure that we don't forget how some of our
> ancestors regarded "original Americans".
'Don't know about your ancestors. Mine were friendly with the Abenakis and
Pennacooks.
>
> Does Brasso work on halos? <G>
I've never scalped an Iroquois, myself.
--
Ed Huntress
>Do you know what the Iroquois were doing on the New Hampshire and Maine
>coasts? Have you ever studied the French and Indian Wars?
Only briefly and decades ago.
>
>The French hired them as mercenaries in Quebec, because they were the most
>vicious and ruthless killers of the Indian tribes. They paid them and sent
>them down to the coast, where they murdered hundreds of English settlers and
>burned their homes -- with the people inside. They did it for fun -- almost
>the entire reason for living, for an Iroquois male, was to kill other
>people -- but it took some money to send them all the way down from Quebec.
>
>They raped, burned, and slaughtered any English they found. Before long, the
>English settlers got pissed about this and started killing Iroquois. As I
>mentioned, one of my relatives had been kidnapped (during an Iroquois attack
>on Bloody Point) and she killed four of them in their sleep, smashing their
>heads in with rocks, and scalped them for the bounty offered by
>Massachusetts Colony. The bounties in Massachusetts started at 50 pounds but
>had dropped to 12 pounds, 10 shillings by the time she turned in her scalps.
>
>That still was serious money. Since a dead Iroquois was therefore quite
>valuable, they became something like beavers became to later settlers. d8-)
>
>With good reason. The Iroquois were not some poor race that had been
>enslaved and then marginalized for the entertainment of white trash that
>needed someone to put down, so they could feel better about themselves. They
>were predatory animals that happened to be human.
Very interesting background and story.
>
>> Perhaps Ed merely repeats it here
>> as a historical note to ensure that we don't forget how some of our
>> ancestors regarded "original Americans".
>
>'Don't know about your ancestors. Mine were friendly with the Abenakis and
>Pennacooks.
Mine were Sami.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_(Finland)
You Lapp?
Im Finn on one side.
Gunner
>>>'Don't know about your ancestors. Mine were friendly with the Abenakis and
>>>Pennacooks.
>>
>>Mine were Sami.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_(Finland)
>>
>
>You Lapp?
>
>Im Finn on one side.
>
>Gunner
Finn for sure, probably some Sami in the stew. Grandmother was from
Oulu and I have slightly squinty eyes.
Piva! Hei minun veljeni!!
Gunner, Soumi