'Twisted' Mind
Cliff
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/03/weiner-on-palins-twisted-mind.html
"Weiner On Palin's 'Twisted' Mind"
[
Rep. Anthony Weiner responded with scorn to Sarah Palin's assertion that she
isn't responsible for encouraging the attacks on Democrats who voted in favor of
health care reform, even after her "RELOAD!" Tweet.
[
"What Sarah Palin doesn't seem to understand is that while it's pretty clear to
most people that the - the language about targeting someone and being in the
crosshairs was a metaphor to her, to a twisted mind, it really might be the sign
that they should go ahead and do something more violent," Weiner told CNN's Wolf
Blitzer on "The Situation Room" today.
"I'm not quite sure she understands the debate is about whether or not these
lines have been crossed," the congressman continued. "Because, clearly, when you
have people shouting anti-Semitic and racist and homophobic things on the steps
of the Capitol, when you have threats going to members of Congress that - that
someone...has to take responsibility for this incitement."
"And I think that at least some of it has to go to - to her responsibility."
]
Weiner, who was outspoken throughout the health care debate, received
threatening letters - including one containing white powder that caused the
closure of his Queens office. The powder appears to have been antacid.
]
wmbjk...@citlink.net
Steele, who is occasionally halfway sensible when his fellows are
being assholes, has thrown in with the assholes this time.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html Apparently these
nitwits won't be happy until they're on the wrong side of every last
issue, even the easiest ones. If some gummer-type wacko gets lucky,
palin, boner, and steele will have some 'splainin to do. Of course,
they've given up most pretense of logic, and care primarily about
riling up their base. Pretty sad.
Wayne
Too_Many_Tools
>
> >http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/03/weiner-on-pali...
> > "Weiner On Palin's 'Twisted' Mind"
> >[
> >Rep. Anthony Weiner responded with scorn to Sarah Palin's assertion that she
> >isn't responsible for encouraging the attacks on Democrats who voted in favor of
> >health care reform, even after her "RELOAD!" Tweet.
>
> >[
> >"What Sarah Palin doesn't seem to understand is that while it's pretty clear to
> >most people that the - the language about targeting someone and being in the
> >crosshairs was a metaphor to her, to a twisted mind, it really might be the sign
> >that they should go ahead and do something more violent," Weiner told CNN's Wolf
> >Blitzer on "The Situation Room" today.
>
> >"I'm not quite sure she understands the debate is about whether or not these
> >lines have been crossed," the congressman continued. "Because, clearly, when you
> >have people shouting anti-Semitic and racist and homophobic things on the steps
> >of the Capitol, when you have threats going to members of Congress that - that
> >someone...has to take responsibility for this incitement."
>
> >"And I think that at least some of it has to go to - to her responsibility."
> >]
>
> >Weiner, who was outspoken throughout the health care debate, received
> >threatening letters - including one containing white powder that caused the
> >closure of his Queens office. The powder appears to have been antacid.
>
> Steele, who is occasionally halfway sensible when his fellows are
> nitwits won't be happy until they're on the wrong side of every last
> issue, even the easiest ones. If some gummer-type wacko gets lucky,
> palin, boner, and steele will have some 'splainin to do. Of course,
> they've given up most pretense of logic, and care primarily about
> riling up their base. Pretty sad.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
And since they are private citizens, they can be included in any civil
suit that is filed to recover damages when someone is injured or
killed due to their encouraging violence.
TMT
F. George McDuffee
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:06:42 -0700, sittingduck
<du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>An open letter to conservatives
>March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
>http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
>VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
>
>Dear Conservative Americans,
>
>The years have not been kind to you.
<snip>
The years have not been kind to very many of us, and none of us
is going to get out of this world alive....
I take serious offense at the use of "conservative" in this
context. The traditional conservatives such as Goldwater and
Taft are turning over in their graves as a result of what is
currently being done and said in the name of "conservatism." A
more correct, but somewhat awkward term is "Reactionary
Kleptocracy."
IMNSHO the major problem is that the "conservatives" are now
wandering around, lost in a strange new world, which they largely
constructed through their efforts to impose "free trade,"
Multi-lateral Investment Agreements, unlimited/uncontrolled
immigration and the repeal of almost all restraints on the
financial services sector and commodity traders.
The continual reduction in wages and benefits, combined with
massive export of manufacturing plant, has necessarily resulted
in serious shortfalls in tax revenue. It is correctly observed
that you cannot get blood out of a turnip. Government at every
level is desperate for additional revenue; so the higher
taxes/fees/fines/etc. the "conservatives" are complaining about
are direct results of their actions. Every corporate tax benefit
or dodge from a tax credit to tax increment financing of
necessary infrastructure is *NOT* an overall cost savings for
society but rather it is simply the transfer of the tax burden
from the corporations, which get the benefits, to the gainfully
employed wage earners, many of whom are working for or near
minimum wage.
The continual cuts in health benefits and increases in co-pays
made national health insurance inevitable. Perhaps not now, but
certainly in the very near future, when medical services could be
afforded only by the fortunate few, and the riots started. The
nationalization/socialization of medical care about which
"conservatives" are currently loudly complaining was another
direct result of their deliberate and sustained efforts at
domestic wage cutting.
Financial Services and commodity trading [includes "derivatives"
and currency speculation] are other areas rife with abuse.
"Conservatives" are loudly complaining about the Dodd bill, which
is a "sweetheart" and sham of what is actually required. When
the next bubbles burst such as commercial real estate,
municipal/state bonds, and sovereign debt, Draconian regulation
will be enacted. Again the "conservatives" brought this down on
themselves and everyone else.
What is truly amazing is that the modern "conservatives," many of
which are very intelligent and well-educated, apparently thought
(and still think) they could impose third world wages, third
world working conditions and pay third world taxes, without
having a third world society-culture and economy result.
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Garlicdude
> An open letter to conservatives
> March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
> http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
> VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
>
> Dear Conservative Americans,
>
> home,
> so I can remember when you wore a very different face than the one we see
> now.
> You've lost me and you've lost most of America. Because I believe having
> responsible choices is important to democracy, I'd like to give you some
> advice
> and an invitation.
>
> First, the invitation: Come back to us.
"Dear Russell King:
I read your open letter over at Talking Point Memo and felt it worthy of a
response...
Actually that's not true, I read this much of your letter:
Dear Conservative Americans,
The years have not been kind to you. I grew up in a profoundly Republican
home, so I can remember when you wore a very different face than the one we see
now. You've lost me and you've lost most of America. Because I believe having
responsible choices is important to democracy, I'd like to give you some advice
and an invitation.
First, the invitation: Come back to us.
Now the advice. You're going to have to come up with a platform that isn't
built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions,
cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking,
health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic
nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in internment
camps; and more. But you have work to do even before you take on that task.
And then I stopped. That's because the last thing I need in my life right now is
some self-satisfied, sanctimonious fuck of a liberal telling what I need to be
doing right now. And based on the above, that's exactly what you are: A
self-satisfied, sanctimonious liberal fuck" ........................
http://dennisthepeasant.typepad.com/dennis_the_peasant/2010/03/dear-russell-king.html
--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude �
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
PrecisionmachinisT
"Garlicdude" <pul...@garlic.com> wrote in message
news:0oednYpl__Ab_zLW...@posted.southvalleyinternet...
Then there's the self-satisfied, sanctimonious conservative fucks--when they
can't seem to conjure up anything at all which would counter a detractor's
claims they angrily launch into a childish tirade instead, calling folks
"liberals" as though it were some sort of invective, maybe toss in a few
choice swear words for good measure....
--
Gunner Asch
You mean Liberals arent bad people, moderately mentally ill?
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Gunner
Wes
>This "conservative" should have read the whole thing, but instead reacts in a
>typical way, hurling names and cursing.
>
>Sad. And predictable.
Duck, google up your posts during the Bush Presidency. You have a very selective memory.
Wes
PrecisionmachinisT
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a57vq5du1n7h2h88n...@4ax.com...
Pretty much yes...
...AND...
Congratulations !!!
--for once in your life you may finally have gotten at least one thing
correct.
> Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Evading by reciting a tired, incredibly worn out cliché instead of actually
countering your detracter's claims.....how impressive.....yup, your opinion
here most certainly deserves the utmost respect....
--
Stormin Mormon
all the condescension and lying to go with it. I wonder if
anyone actually believes this stuff?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D48CC969CF9Adu...@nomail.afraid.org...
An open letter to conservatives
March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
Dear Conservative Americans,
The years have not been kind to you. I grew up in a
profoundly Republican
home,
so I can remember when you wore a very different face than
the one we see
now.
You've lost me and you've lost most of America. Because I
believe having
responsible choices is important to democracy, I'd like to
give you some
advice
and an invitation.
First, the invitation: Come back to us.
Now the advice. You're going to have to come up with a
platform that isn't
built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with
colors, religions,
cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of
reform in
banking,
health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being
transformed into an
Islamic
nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed
populace put in
internment
camps; and more. But you have work to do even before you
take on that task.
Your party -- the GOP -- and the conservative end of the
American political
spectrum have become irresponsible and irrational. Worse,
it's tolerating,
promoting and celebrating prejudice and hatred. Let me
provide some
examples --
by no means an exhaustive list -- of where the Right as
gotten itself stuck
in
a swamp of hypocrisy, hyperbole, historical inaccuracy and
hatred.
If you're going to regain your stature as a party of
rational, responsible
people, you'll have to start by draining this swamp:
Hypocrisy
You can't flip out -- and threaten impeachment - when Dems
use a
parliamentary
procedure (deem and pass) that you used repeatedly (more
than 35 times in
just
one session and more than 100 times in all!), that's
centuries old and
which
the courts have supported. Especially when your leaders
admit it all.
You can't vote and scream against the stimulus package and
then take credit
for
the good it's done in your own district (happily handing out
enormous
checks
representing money that you voted against, is especially
ugly) -- 114 of
you
(at last count) did just that -- and it's even worse when
you secretly beg
for
more.
You can't fight against your own ideas just because the Dem
president
endorses
your proposal.
You can't call for a pay-as-you-go policy, and then vote
against your own
ideas.
Are they "unlawful enemy combatants" or are they "prisoners
of war" at
Gitmo?
You can't have it both ways.
You can't carry on about the evils of government spending
when your family
has
accepted more than a quarter-million dollars in government
handouts.
You can't refuse to go to a scheduled meeting, to which you
were invited,
and
then blame the Dems because they didn't meet with you.
You can't rail against using teleprompters while using
teleprompters.
Repeatedly.
You can't rail against the bank bailouts when you supported
them as they
were
happening.
You can't be for immigration reform, then against it .
You can't enjoy socialized medicine while condemning it.
You can't flip out when the black president puts his feet on
the
presidential
desk when you were silent about white presidents doing the
same. Bush.
Ford.
You can't complain that the president hasn't closed Gitmo
yet when you've
campaigned to keep Gitmo open.
You can't flip out when the black president bows to foreign
dignitaries, as
appropriate for their culture, when you were silent when the
white
presidents
did the same. Bush. Nixon. Ike. You didn't even make a peep
when Bush held
hands and kissed (on the mouth) leaders of countries that
are not on
"kissing
terms" with the US.
You can't complain that the undies bomber was read his
Miranda rights under
Obama when the shoe bomber was read his Miranda rights under
Bush and you
remained silent. (And, no, Newt -- the shoe bomber was not a
US citizen
either,
so there is no difference.)
You can't attack the Dem president for not personally*
publicly condemning
a
terrorist event for 72 hours when you said nothing about the
Rep president
waiting 6 days in an eerily similar incident (and, even
then, he didn't
issue
any condemnation). *Obama administration did the day of the
event.
You can't throw a hissy fit, sound alarms and cry that Obama
freed Gitmo
prisoners who later helped plan the Christmas Day undie
bombing, when -- in
fact -- only one former Gitmo detainee, released by Dick
Cheney and George
W.
Bush, helped to plan the failed attack.
You can't condemn blaming the Republican president for an
attempted terror
attack on his watch, then blame the Dem president for an
attempted terror
attack on his.
You can't mount a boycott against singers who say they're
ashamed of the
president for starting a war, but remain silent when another
singer says
he's
ashamed of the president and falsely calls him a Maoist who
makes him want
to
throw up and says he ought to be in jail.
You can't cry that the health care bill is too long, then
cry that it's too
short.
You can't support the individual mandate for health
insurance, then call it
unconstitutional when Dems propose it and campaign against
your own ideas.
You can't demand television coverage, then whine about it
when you get it.
Repeatedly.
You can't praise criminal trials in US courts for terror
suspects under a
Rep
president, then call it "treasonous" under a Dem president.
You can't propose ideas to create jobs, and then work
against them when the
Dems put your ideas in a bill.
You can't be both pro-choice and anti-choice.
You can't damn someone for failing to pay $900 in taxes when
you've paid
nearly
$20,000 in IRS fines.
You can't condemn criticizing the president when US troops
are in harms
way,
then attack the president when US troops are in harms way ,
the only
difference
being the president's party affiliation (and, by the way,
armed conflict
does
NOT remove our right and our duty as Americans to speak up).
You can't be both for cap-and-trade policy and against it.
You can't vote to block debate on a bill, then bemoan the
lack of 'open
debate'.
If you push anti-gay legislation and make anti-gay speeches,
you should
probably take a pass on having gay sex, regardless of
whether it's 2004 or
2010. This is true, too, if you're taking GOP money and
giving anti-gay
rants
on CNN. Taking right-wing money and GOP favors to write
anti-gay stories
for
news sites while working as a gay prostitute, doubles down
on both the
hypocrisy and the prostitution. This is especially true if
you claim your
anti-
gay stand is God's stand, too.
When you chair the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited
Children, you
can't
send sexy emails to 16-year-old boys (illegal anyway, but
you made it
hypocritical as well).
You can't criticize Dems for not doing something you didn't
do while you
held
power over the past 16 years, especially when the Dems have
done more in
one
year than you did in 16.
You can't decry "name calling" when you've been the most
consistent and
outrageous at it. And the most vile.
You can't spend more than 40 years hating, cutting and
trying to kill
Medicare,
and then pretend to be the defenders of Medicare
You can't praise the Congressional Budget Office when it's
analysis
produces
numbers that fit your political agenda, then claim it's
unreliable when it
comes up with numbers that don't.
You can't vote for X under a Republican president, then vote
against X
under a
Democratic president. Either you support X or you don't. And
it makes it
worse
when you change your position merely for the sake
obstructionism.
You can't call a reconciliation out of bounds when you used
it repeatedly.
You can't spend taxpayer money on ads against spending
taxpayer money.
You can't condemn individual health insurance mandates in a
Dem bill, when
the
mandates were your idea.
You can't demand everyone listen to the generals when they
say what fits
your
agenda, and then ignore them when they don't.
You can't whine that it's unfair when people accuse you of
exploiting
racism
for political gain, when your party's former leader admits
you've been
doing it
for decades.
You can't portray yourself as fighting terrorists when you
openly and
passionately support terrorists.
You can't complain about a lack of bipartisanship when
you've routinely
obstructed for the sake of political gain -- threatening to
filibuster at
least
100 pieces of legislation in one session, far more than any
other since the
procedural tactic was invented -- and admitted it. Some
admissions are
unintentional, others are made proudly. This is especially
true when the
bill
is the result of decades of compromise between the two
parties and is
filled
with your own ideas.
You can't question the loyalty of Department of Justice
lawyers when you
didn't
object when your own Republican president appointed them.
You can't preach and try to legislate "Family Values" when
you: take nude
hot
tub dips with teenagers (and pay them hush money); cheat on
your wife with
a
secret lover and lie about it to the world; cheat with a
staffer's wife
(and
pay them off with a new job); pay hookers for sex while
wearing a diaper
and
cheating on your wife; or just enjoying an old fashioned
non-kinky cheating
on
your wife; try to have gay sex in a public toilet; authorize
the rape of
children in Iraqi prisons to coerce their parents into
providing
information;
seek, look at or have sex with children; replace a guy who
cheats on his
wife
with a guy who cheats on his pregnant wife with his wife's
mother;
Hyperbole
You really need to disassociate with those among you who:
* assert that people making a quarter-million dollars a year
can barely
make
ends meet or that $1 million "isn't a lot of money";
* say that "Comrade" Obama is a "Bolshevik" who is "taking
cues from
Lenin";
* ignore the many times your buddies use a term that offends
you and
complain
only when a Dem says it;
* liken political opponents to murderers, rapists, and "this
Muslim guy"
that
"offed his wife's head" or call then "un-American";
* say Obama "wants his plan to fail...so that he can make
the case for bank
nationalization and vindicate his dream of a socialist
economy";
* equate putting the good of the people ahead of your
personal fortunes
with
terrorism;
* smear an entire major religion with the actions of a few
fanatics;
* say that the president wants to "annihilate us";
* compare health care reform with the bombing of Pearl
Harbor, a Bolshevik
plot
the attack on 9/11,or reviving the ghosts of communist
dictators (update:
it's
also not Armageddon);
* equate our disease-fighting stem cell research with "what
the Nazis did";
* call a bill passed by the majority of both houses of
Congress, by members
of
Congress each elected by a majority in their districts, an
unconscionable
abuse
of power, a violation of the presidential oath or "the end
of
representative
government";
* shout "baby killer" at a member of Congress on the floor
of the House,
especially one who so fought against abortion rights that he
nearly killed
health care reform (in fact, a little decorum, a little
respect for our
national institutions and the people and the values they
represent, would
be
refreshing -- cut out the shouting, the swearing and the
obscenities);
* prove your machismo by claiming your going to "crash a
party" to which
you're
officially invited;
* claim that Obama is pushing America's "submission to
Shariah";
* question the patriotism of people upholding cherished
American values and
the
rule of law;
* claim the president is making us less safe without a hint
of evidence;
* call a majority vote the "tyranny of the minority," even
if you meant to
call
it tyranny of the majority -- it's democracy, not tyranny;
* call the president's support of a criminal trial for a
terror suspect
"treasonous" (especially when you supported the same thing
when the
president
shared your party);
* call the Pope the anti-Christ;
* assert that the constitutionally mandated census is an
attempt to enslave
us;
* accuse opponents of being backed by Arab slave-drivers or
of being drunk
and
suicidal;
* equate family planning with eugenics or Nazism;
* accuse the president of changing the missile defense
program's logo to
match
his campaign logo and reflect what you say is his secret
Muslim identity;
* accuse political opponents of being totalitarians,
socialists,
communists,
fascists, Marxists; terrorist sympathizers, McCarthy-like,
Nazis or drug
pushers; and
* advocate a traitorous act like secession, violent
revolution , military
coup
or civil war (just so we're clear: sedition is a bad thing).
History
If you're going to use words like socialism, communism and
fascism, you
must
have at least a basic understanding of what those words mean
(hint: they're
NOT
synonymous!)
You can't cut a leading Founding Father out the history
books because
you've
decided you don't like his ideas.
You cant repeatedly assert that the president refuses to say
the word
"terrorism" or say we're at war with terror when we have an
awful lot of
videotape showing him repeatedly assailing terrorism and
using those exact
words.
If you're going to invoke the names of historical figures,
it does not
serve
you well to whitewash them. Especially this one.
You can't just pretend historical events didn't happen in an
effort to make
a
political opponent look dishonest or to make your side look
better.
Especially
these events. (And, no, repeating it doesn't make it
better.)
You can't say things that are simply and demonstrably false:
health care
reform
will not push people out of their private insurance and into
a government-
run
program ; health care reform (which contains a good many of
your ideas and
very
few from the Left) is a long way from "socialist utopia";
health care
reform is
not "reparations"; nor does health care reform create "death
panels".
Hatred
You have to condemn those among you who:
* call members of Congress n*gger and f*ggot;
* elected leaders who say "I'm a proud racist";
* state that America has been built by white people;
* say that poor people are poor because they're rotten
people, call them
"parasitic garbage" or say they shouldn't be allowed to
vote;
* call women bitches and prostitutes just because you don't
like their
politics
( re - pea -ted - ly );
* assert that the women who are serving our nation in
uniform are hookers;
* mock and celebrate the death of a grandmother because you
disagree with
her
son's politics;
* declare that those who disagree with you are shown by that
disagreement
to be
not just "Marxist radicals" but also monsters and a deadly
disease killing
the
nation (this would fit in the hyperbole and history
categories, too);
* joke about blindness;
* advocate euthanizing the wife of your political opponent;
* taunt people with incurable, life-threatening diseases --
especially if
you
do it on a syndicated broadcast;
* equate gay love with bestiality -- involving horses or
dogs or turtles or
ducks -- or polygamy, child molestation, pedophilia;
* casually assume that only white males look "like a real
American";
* assert presidential power to authorize torture, torture a
child by having
his
testicles crushed in front of his parents to get them to
talk, order the
massacre of a civilian village and launch a nuclear attack
without the
consent
of Congress;
* attack children whose mothers have died;
* call people racists without producing a shred of evidence
that they've
said
or done something that would even smell like racism -- same
for invoking
racially charged "dog whistle" words (repeatedly);
* condemn the one thing that every major religion agrees on;
* complain that we no longer employ the tactics we once used
to
disenfranchise
millions of Americans because of their race;
* blame the victims of natural disasters and terrorist
attacks for their
suffering and losses;
* celebrate violence , joke about violence, prepare for
violence or use
violent
imagery, "fun" political violence, hints of violence,
threats of violence
(this
one is rather explicit), suggestions of violence or actual
violence (and,
really, suggesting anal rape with a hot piece of metal is
beyond the pale);
and
* incite insurrection telling people to get their guns ready
for a "bloody
battle" with the president of the United States.
Oh, and I'm not alone: One of your most respected and
decorated leaders
agrees
with me.
So, dear conservatives, get to work. Drain the swamp of the
conspiracy
nuts,
the bald-faced liars undeterred by demonstrable facts, the
overt hypocrisy
and
the hatred. Then offer us a calm, responsible, grownup
agenda based on your
values and your vision for America. We may or may not agree
with your
values
and vision, but we'll certainly welcome you back to the
American mainstream
with open arms. We need you.
(Anticipating your initial response: No there is nothing
that even comes
close
to this level of wingnuttery on the American Left.)
Written by Russell King
--
Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the
stupidity of
the average man, he follows not reason but faith - Reinhold
Niebuhr
John R. Carroll
> distro pruned to AMC and RCM, #OT# added to subject
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:06:42 -0700, sittingduck
> <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>
>> An open letter to conservatives
>> March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
>> http://tinyurl.com/yc55hxj
>> VERY WELL REFERENCED, read at TPM for more info.
>>
> which are very intelligent and well-educated, apparently thought
> (and still think) they could impose third world wages, third
> world working conditions and pay third world taxes, without
> having a third world society-culture and economy result.
I see no evidence at all that this result wasn't forseen.
The hurry has been to insure that it's the other guy that gets left behind
George, not prevention.
--
John R. Carroll
Curly Surmudgeon
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
I've drank tequila with Jesus, nice guy but why would you advertise for
him? It's just a small pottery shop in Ensenada, B.C., Mexico.
--
Regards, Curly
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The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
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F. George McDuffee
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You are most likely correct at the level of the Fulds, Thains,
Blankfeins, Geithners and Summers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_S._Fuld,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Geithner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Summers
However the huge majority of "conservatives" are not at this
level of affluence and influence, but rather are "wannabe"
average people making average wages, which have been falling for
20 years.
There was a thread a short time ago about this, something about
turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
It is clear that ideology and propaganda continues to trump facts
and logic for far too many people. While something is indeed
trickling down, it ain't money....
John R. Carroll
You don't have to sell me on the stupidity of it all George.
That said, money knows no politics. Just look at the current crop of
Republicans parading as conservatives and try not to laugh.
I also think you are underestimating the power of six figure administrative
assistants whose primary role starts with "Just Black?" and ends with
answering the phone and picking up dry cleaning, birthday presents, and so
forth.
Those people were far down the food chain but $60-$90K wasn't extraordinary
after bonus payments at many business units.
>
> There was a thread a short time ago about this, something about
> turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
I seem to recall many such conversations here.
The guy with his jaw sagging was me<G>
Some things are hard to believe even when seen.
>
> It is clear that ideology and propaganda continues to trump facts
> and logic for far too many people. While something is indeed
> trickling down, it ain't money....
Yeah, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!
LOL
I was listening to Paul Krugman today and was struck by the ramifications of
a comment he made regarding our nations debt.
Taken to it's logical conclusion, and he didn't, we are 20 years away from
truly having the current mess behind us.
--
John R. Carroll
Hawke
> Actually that's not true, I read this much of your letter:
>
> Dear Conservative Americans,
>
> The years have not been kind to you. I grew up in a profoundly
> Republican home, so I can remember when you wore a very different face
> than the one we see now. You've lost me and you've lost most of America.
> Because I believe having responsible choices is important to democracy,
> I'd like to give you some advice and an invitation.
>
> First, the invitation: Come back to us.
>
> Now the advice. You're going to have to come up with a platform that
> isn't built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors,
> religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of
> reform in banking, health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being
> transformed into an Islamic nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a
> disarmed populace put in internment camps; and more. But you have work
> to do even before you take on that task.
>
> And then I stopped. That's because the last thing I need in my life
> right now is some self-satisfied, sanctimonious fuck of a liberal
> telling what I need to be doing right now. And based on the above,
> that's exactly what you are: A self-satisfied, sanctimonious liberal
> fuck" ........................
You're right about not needing a liberal to tell you what you ought to
be doing. You already have a gang of right wing operatives and
propagandists and outright loudmouths telling you exactly what to say
and think and you are following them like the good little lemming you
are. As a conservative the one thing you need the most is a leader
because you are like a Chinese fire drill without one to tell you what
to do and what to think. So keep following the likes of Sara Palin, Rush
Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and all the other members of the right wing gang
of fools you willingly follow like a puppy. You don't need anything. You
have exactly what you need except maybe more teabags. How was it in
Searchlight, Nevada this weekend at the rally?
Hawke
Hawke
> This sounds a lot like Obama's rebuke of Republicans. With
> all the condescension and lying to go with it. I wonder if
> anyone actually believes this stuff?
>
Just the folks that are interested in the facts, which lets you out, by
the way. Republicans have been up shit creek without a paddle for quite
a while now. They're running around in circles wondering what to do,
they have no leaders, have no agenda, and are lying pricks. It was only
a few years ago that they were talking about having a permanent
majority. How quickly and how far they have fallen. But I must say it
couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of fellas. It's sure been good
for the country to see them reduced to also rans. Maybe now people will
see how stupid it is to actually let republicans try to govern. It's
been a disaster every time it's been tried.
Hawke
Gunner Asch
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:a57vq5du1n7h2h88n...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:12:33 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Then there's the self-satisfied, sanctimonious conservative fucks--when
>they
>> >can't seem to conjure up anything at all which would counter a
>detractor's
>> >claims they angrily launch into a childish tirade instead, calling folks
>> >"liberals" as though it were some sort of invective, maybe toss in a few
>> >choice swear words for good measure....
>>
>>
>> You mean Liberals arent bad people, moderately mentally ill?
>>
>
>Pretty much yes...
Just goes to show what an ignorant butthead you are turning out to be.
>
>...AND...
>
>Congratulations !!!
>
>--for once in your life you may finally have gotten at least one thing
>correct.
>
>> Denial is not a river in Egypt.
>
>Evading by reciting a tired, incredibly worn out cliché instead of actually
>countering your detracter's claims.....how impressive.....yup, your opinion
>here most certainly deserves the utmost respect....
"Stop, Look both ways before crossing the street"
A tired worn out cliche too.
With a little luck..if you were actually honest..you would turn away
from that cliche and hop skip and jump from the curb as you cross the
street, ignoring that tired old cliche.
<VBG>
With luck, you will be splattered like a large bug on the front of
someones Freightliner.
Afterall...tired worn out cliches have no value in the world.
Right?
Gunner
Cliff
Faux said "There is no proof" IIRC.
Therefore it did not & will not happen, right?
--
Cliff
Cliff
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This sounds a lot like Obama's rebuke of Republicans. With
>all the condescension and lying to go with it. I wonder if
>anyone actually believes this stuff?
Find those "WMDs" yet or what the rethugs put you 11+
trillion dollars in debt for?
--
Cliff
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D49D7872BB6Adu...@nomail.afraid.org...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> all the condescension and lying to go with it. I wonder if
> anyone actually believes this stuff?
Unfortunately for you, the article is backed up by
exhaustive references, and
your statement came straight out of your ass.
Who you gonna believe?
PrecisionmachinisT
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:22:27 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:a57vq5du1n7h2h88n...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:12:33 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> >> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Then there's the self-satisfied, sanctimonious conservative
fucks--when
> >they
> >> >can't seem to conjure up anything at all which would counter a
> >detractor's
> >> >claims they angrily launch into a childish tirade instead, calling
folks
> >> >"liberals" as though it were some sort of invective, maybe toss in a
few
> >> >choice swear words for good measure....
> >>
> >>
> >> You mean Liberals arent bad people, moderately mentally ill?
> >>
> >
> >Pretty much yes...
>
> Just goes to show what an ignorant butthead you are turning out to be.
Yup your calling someone an ignorant butthead definately PROVES that
Liberals are bad people and also are moderately mentally...
> >
> >...AND...
> >
> >Congratulations !!!
> >
> >--for once in your life you may finally have gotten at least one thing
> >correct.
> >
> >> Denial is not a river in Egypt.
> >
> >Evading by reciting a tired, incredibly worn out cliché instead of
actually
> >countering your detracter's claims.....how impressive.....yup, your
opinion
> >here most certainly deserves the utmost respect....
>
> "Stop, Look both ways before crossing the street"
>
> A tired worn out cliche too.
>
> With a little luck..if you were actually honest..you would turn away
> from that cliche and hop skip and jump from the curb as you cross the
> street, ignoring that tired old cliche.
>
> <VBG>
>
> With luck, you will be splattered like a large bug on the front of
> someones Freightliner.
>
> Afterall...tired worn out cliches have no value in the world.
>
> Right?
>
--
Gunner Asch
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just goes to show what an ignorant butthead you are turning out to be.
>
>
>Yup your calling someone an ignorant butthead definately PROVES that
>Liberals are bad people and also are moderately mentally...
Proves? No. They do that themselves. But my observations are quite
accurate,
As yourself proves, with each post you make.
Shrug
Gunner
PrecisionmachinisT
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:07:14 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Just goes to show what an ignorant butthead you are turning out to be.
> >
> >
> >Yup your calling someone an ignorant butthead definately PROVES that
> >Liberals are bad people and also are moderately mentally...
>
> Proves? No. They do that themselves. But my observations are quite
> accurate,
>
http://www.wavsource.com/movies/pee-wees_big_adventure.htm
> As yourself proves, with each post you make.
>
> Shrug
>
<plonk>
--
Gunner Asch
And we have a Newwwww Winnah!!!
Gunner, raising his gloves over his head as the Leftwinger trickles away
through the cracks in the floor
Michael A. Terrell
Don't skimp! Use the whole bag of kitty litter to clean up that
mess, before it attracts bugs or mice.
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
Cliff
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'd believe a conservative over a liberal, any day.
You buy lies wholsale anyway.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>But my observations are quite
>accurate,
Did Faux & Rush admit at last that it gets brighter at dawn?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>And we have a Newwwww Winnah!!!
>
>Gunner, raising his gloves over his head as the Leftwinger trickles away
>through the cracks in the floor
Idiot gummer has the largest killfile IIRC.
--
Cliff
Gunner Asch
Noted! Thanks!
Gunner