Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving the Health Care Crisis?
pyotr filipivich
Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
to read it, just vote on it!
And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
minorities?
Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
So unfair.
Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
tschus
"Phred"
-
pyotr filipivich
"Remember, the moral of our show. Put your troubles away until tomorrow.
If you're lucky, somebody will break into your house tonight and steal them."
Dean Martin
Shall not be infringed
The MSM is preparing the battlefield as we speak... recall that the
pyramids were in the news today?
0bama is going to have the democrats build him a pyramid from which He
will await the mother ship.
Major Debacle
Cuz wingnuts think it's more important to use the money to kill muzzies
than to heal Americans
Suck it, Bithch
Beryl
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> health care last summer?]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
Too_Many_Tools
They haven't...didn't you get the memo?
TMT
edi...@netpath.net
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts ended the
game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize Obamacare's
dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
But learn from the death of Obamacare with Scott Brown's election
ending the Democrats' filibuster-proof majority in the Senate -
because it also means we now can stop ANY agenda of theirs: gun
control, amnesty for illegal aliens, tax hikes, whatever.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Siobhan Medeiros
Wrong. I can think of two options here.
1. Use reconciliation and shove the Health Care bill down your
throats.
2. Call your bluff and see how long Republicans can filibuster before
they start dropping dead of exhaustion.
Henway
> On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 12:45 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> > > Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> > > to read it, just vote on it!
> > > And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> > > suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> > > address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> > > Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> > > Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
>
> > Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts ended the
> > game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize Obamacare's
> > dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
> > But learn from the death of Obamacare with Scott Brown's election
> > ending the Democrats' filibuster-proof majority in the Senate -
> > because it also means we now can stop ANY agenda of theirs: gun
> > control, amnesty for illegal aliens, tax hikes, whatever.
>
>
> Wrong. I can think of two options here.
>
> 1. Use reconciliation and shove the Health Care bill down your
> throats.
>
> 2. Call your bluff and see how long Republicans can filibuster before
>
> - Show quoted text -
You left out option 3. Pass socialized medicine under the cloak of
darkness then run for the tall grass when MILLIONS of very angry
Americans show up in D.C with tar,feathers and rope.
John Husvar
Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >
> > Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
> > of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> > health care last summer?]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
Thank you! (and at significant risk of being accused of pedantry, too :)
Now, would you address decimation vs. devastation?
jaf
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b30nn5t4pgp5a6u45...@4ax.com...
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
It's a special extended winter vacation to celebrate the 4 feet of global warming that resulted from half the gubbermint going to
the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
John
edi...@netpath.net
> On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 12:45 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> > > Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> > > to read it, just vote on it!
> > > And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> > > suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> > > address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> > > Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> > > Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
>
> > Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts ended the
> > game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize Obamacare's
> > dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
> > But learn from the death of Obamacare with Scott Brown's election
> > ending the Democrats' filibuster-proof majority in the Senate -
> > because it also means we now can stop ANY agenda of theirs: gun
> > control, amnesty for illegal aliens, tax hikes, whatever.
>
>
> 1. Use reconciliation and shove the Health Care bill down your
> throats.
What will you then do when a few MILLION Red Nation citizens - all
armed and in the region keeping core urban Blue Nation from freezing
and starving - then do the Rosa Parks Option and refuse to buy health
insurance? There's not enough jail space - and the regime doesn't
dare risk a third Iraq in the only place keeping the Northeast
liveably warm this time of year.
The Rosa Parks Option - the masses' "nuclear option."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Dave__67
They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
Dave
Ken
Option three's results is why it has not been a priority. There is
anger out there far beyond that indicated by the polls. If they keep
doing what they have for the past year, there will be an enema given to
the congress in November. Just watch!!! All they need is another
terror attempt, and it will be all over but for "the fat lady singing."
hal
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
>Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>minorities?
> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
Clearly the right wing is desperately against Obama no matter what.
They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
they will be out of power for decades.
SaPeIsMa
"hal" wrote in message news:4b7bf11...@news.newsguy.com...
Amazing the stupid nonsense leftists need to believe
Gray Ghost
news:2310b360-8fa2-45a7...@w31g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
Congrats, dumbest reply of the day. And it's so early.
--
God, guns and guts made America great.
And Janet Napolitano nervous.
Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?
Gray Ghost
news:zJWdnb41gtO0aubW...@posted.cpinternet:
Not considering how stupid they are. Makes perfect sense.
Buerste
"Dave__67" <spamT...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2310b360-8fa2-45a7...@w31g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Dave
******************************
Did you type that blatant lie with a straight face? Or, did you drink THAT
much Kool-Aid?
Dave__67
> "Dave__67" <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I was trolling a bit, but it is a substantially true statement.
Dave
Shall not be infringed
There are plenty of republicans out there who will take your guns, and
spend like drunken sailors, and make big government bigger, and do
nothing to close our borders or even entice illegals to keep flooding
across the rio grande.
Get yourself to a tea party and get active.
Shall not be infringed
> On Feb 17, 4:47 am, Siobhan Medeiros <sbm2...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 12:45 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> > > > Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> > > > to read it, just vote on it!
> > > > And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> > > > suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> > > > address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> > > > Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> > > > Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
>
> > > Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts ended the
> > > game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize Obamacare's
> > > dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
> > > But learn from the death of Obamacare with Scott Brown's election
> > > ending the Democrats' filibuster-proof majority in the Senate -
> > > because it also means we now can stop ANY agenda of theirs: gun
> > > control, amnesty for illegal aliens, tax hikes, whatever.
>
>
> > Wrong. I can think of two options here.
>
> > 1. Use reconciliation and shove the Health Care bill down your
> > throats.
>
> > 2. Call your bluff and see how long Republicans can filibuster before
> > they start dropping dead of exhaustion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You left out option 3. Pass socialized medicine under the cloak of
> darkness then run for the tall grass when MILLIONS of very angry
> Americans show up in D.C with tar,feathers and rope.
Sorry, dude, but Cur-Lee Curmudgeon and Winston Smith have you beat
with the rope. Their only problem was that they didn't know how much
to bring.
Shall not be infringed
There are plenty of RINOs to take down. Get yourself to a tea party
and get active.
Shall not be infringed
Out of Power? That was the usual mode of operation for Republicans in
the last century.
Talk about something important... the damage to our nation by
handholding every citizen and non-citizen.
edi...@netpath.net
> They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
> they will be out of power for decades.
Get fucking real. No way can Obama "succeed" in both pleasing his
glassy-eyed backers who voted for him and the majority of Americans.
Either he "succeeds" in getting Obamacare - which is so wildly
unpopular with the masses that it not only stalled in Congress, but
even got a Republican elected to the Senate from Massachusetts -
enacted, or he "succeeds" in actually pleasing the majority of the
voters. Just not both.
hal
wrote:
>They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
>something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
>Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
It doesn't matter what it is, they can't stand to see Obama succeed.
If he does they are just barely smart enough to realized they will
never regain power again perhaps for decades.
hal
wrote:
>>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>>>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>>>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>>>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>>>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>
>>
>> Clearly the right wing is desperately against Obama no matter what.
>> They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
>> they will be out of power for decades.
>>
>
>Amazing the stupid nonsense leftists need to believe
>
ad hominem because you can't cope with the facts. What we are seeing
is an all out assault on Obama and the Democrats and total and
complete obstructionism from the right wing. Clearly because they are
desperate to regain power, and the only way they have a chance of
doing that is to see to it Obama fails. It's true and you damned will
know it.
Buerste
<hal> wrote in message news:4b7c1225...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:01:29 -0500, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
>>something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
>>Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
>
> It doesn't matter what it is, they can't stand to see Obama succeed.
> If he does they are just barely smart enough to realized they will
> never regain power again perhaps for decades.
>
>
Did you forget to state that anybody that doesn't fawn over Obama is a
racist?
Buerste
<hal> wrote in message news:4b7c11bf...@news.newsguy.com...
Yep, we conservatives will do our best to obstruct Obama's Neo-Socialist
agenda. Not for power, but because you Socialists are not only wrong but
you are evil.
hal
wrote:
This has nothing to do with racism for anybody but the stupid southern
rednecks. The right wing hates Obama because he is a socialist. He
is the rightards worst nightmare. If he manages to retain and
consolodate power the rightwing is finished. My biggest fear is they
are going to do what they did to Kennedy. Then we truly will have a
civil war.
Too_Many_Tools
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
> minorities?
> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>
> tschus
> "Phred"
> -
> pyotr filipivich
> "Remember, the moral of our show. Put your troubles away until tomorrow.
> If you're lucky, somebody will break into your house tonight and steal them."
> Dean Martin
Ever do your homework before posting?
Apparently not.
TMT
GOP sees possible upside in health care summit
By ERICA WERNER Erica Werner
Wed Feb 17, 6:49 am ET
WASHINGTON – Congressional Republicans see a chance for political gain
in President Barack Obama's televised health care summit next week,
even though the president will be running the show.
Obama and the Democrats are certain to highlight a crucial element of
their health care plan — extending coverage to more than 30 million
Americans — at the one-of-a-kind event. By comparison, a Republican
plan would only help 3 million more. But during a time of ballooning
deficits, the GOP figures reining in rising medical costs — not
coverage — could resonate with voters in an election year.
The Democratic health overhaul plan is estimated at some $1 trillion
over 10 years, and Republicans will contrast their financial approach
with that of the Democrats. So even on Obama's turf, the GOP thinks it
can score a few political points.
"I think what we have to do is keep it on the policy and really
continue to describe that we have listened to the American people, and
anyone listening to the American people would say scrap this bill and
begin again, and let's begin again by focusing on lowering costs,"
Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, who will be attending the summit as the
top Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, said Tuesday.
Republicans know they go into the half-day event Feb. 25 with built-in
disadvantages. Obama dominated when he debated House Republicans at
their retreat in Baltimore last month, and the White House would like
to recreate that dynamic, capitalizing on Obama's speaking skills.
The president has already said he'll moderate the forum, and the
location and staging at the Blair House guest residence are of the
White House's choosing, giving Democrats home-court advantage. But
Republicans say they have a different advantage: Polls show Americans
side with them on the substance. All they have to do is remind viewers
that's the case, and they could chalk up something like a win that
could make the going even tougher for the Democrats.
In a New York Times/CBS poll released this month, 56 percent said they
preferred "a smaller government providing fewer services" to 34
percent in favor of "a bigger government providing more services."
Some 27 percent named jobs as the most important issue confronting the
nation while 25 percent said the economy. Thirteen percent said health
care, fewer than the 16 percent who said "other."
Republicans say all that argues in favor of their approach: taking
smaller steps toward reform, not a comprehensive remake like the
Democrats prefer. They'll continue to argue that Democrats should
scrap their existing bills and start over.
"Americans don't want another 2,700-page bill that raises taxes and
slashes Medicare for our seniors," said Don Stewart, spokesman for
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
With the summit more than a week away and lawmakers out of town for
the Presidents Day recess, Republicans are in the early stages of
planning their strategy for the event, which Democrats hope will jump-
start legislation stalled since they lost a Massachusetts Senate seat
and their ability to overcome Republican delaying tactics.
House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio and McConnell, his Senate
counterpart, will attend the summit along with other top Republicans.
Boehner and McConnell also get to invite four lawmakers each but have
not said who they will be. That decision in itself will send a message
about their approach and help determine the tone of the session.
"I think the president will lay out his ideas and I would expect that
Republicans will and others will lay out their solutions," White House
press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
One potential hitch for Republicans is that there is not a single GOP
plan.
In the House, one Republican plan would cover some 3 million and lower
premiums by as much as 8 percent for individuals and 10 percent for
small businesses — expect to hear the latter figure mentioned
frequently at the summit. But a number of lawmakers have their own
plans, and in the Senate no single Republican plan emerged, though
individual senators put forward proposals, including some with
significant similarities to the Democratic bills.
Obama has pledged to post the Democrats' plan online before the
summit; he's hoping Democrats in the House and Senate can reconcile
differences between their approaches before then. Republicans have no
plans to go along with Obama's request that they, too, post a
comprehensive proposal online, but they don't view that as a problem.
Keith Hennessey, who served as senior White House economic adviser to
President George W. Bush, offered Republicans some advice in a posting
on his blog this week. He wrote that Republicans should not feel
obligated to have a single unified approach and instead should "hammer
home that this should have been a legislative debate and process among
multiple options, rather than a take-it-or-leave-it, or option A vs.
option B exercise."
Hennessey's final words of advice: "When in doubt, shift the camera's
focus to your disagreements with congressional Democrats, who will be
a far easier opponent in a public snowball fight than the president."
Ed Huntress
In fact, you're right. Richard Nixon proposed a government-run national
health care system almost as soon as he entered Congress, in 1947. (His
later, 1974 plan was for universal coverage, but through private insurers
with government subsidies -- an elaboration of Eisenhower's proposal for
subsidized universal coverage.) Medicare, which is national health insurance
for old people, had broad bipartisan support in the '60s. And Medicaid,
which is mixed government health care for poor people, did, also. So they
had no problem with national health care for old people and poor people.
The real irony, though, regards mandated insurance. That IS a purely
Republican idea, proposed by market-oriented economist Mark Pauly and others
to Bush Sr. in the late '80s. Republicans were trying to come up with an
alternative to a Democrat plan that would have required all businesses to
provide coverage. Republican's took up Pauly's idea and disparagingly called
those who wouldn't buy insurance on their own, "free-riders."
Orrin Hatch (R.-UT) recently said "Congress has never crossed the line
between regulating what people choose to do and ordering them to do it. The
difference between regulating and requiring is liberty."
But...but...it was Orrin Hatch who co-wrote and co-sponsored a bill in 1983,
along with 21 other Republican Senators and Rep. Bill Thomas (R.-CA) that
did exactly what he says now would have "crossed the line." It was a bill
for individual mandates for people to buy health insurance.
Maybe Orrin's memory is going south. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Too_Many_Tools
Perhaps you can tell us why because of the lack of action by Bush and
the Republicans in Congress we are now paying higher premiums.
TMT
Individual insurance rates soar in 4 states
By LINDA A. JOHNSON, AP Business Writer Linda A. Johnson, Ap Business
Writer
Fri Feb 12, 8:39 pm ET
TRENTON, N.J. – Consumers in at least four states who buy their own
health insurance are getting hit with premium increases of 15 percent
or more — and people in other states could see the same thing.
Anthem Blue Cross, a subsidiary of WellPoint Inc., has been under fire
for a week from regulators and politicians for notifying some of its
800,000 individual policyholders in California that it plans to raise
rates by up to 39 percent March 1.
The Anthem Blue Cross plan in Maine is asking for increases of about
23 percent this year for some individual policyholders. Last year,
they raised rates up to 32 percent.
Kansas had one recent case where one insurer wanting to raise most
individual rates 20 percent to 30 percent was persuaded by state
insurance officials to reduce the increases to 10 percent to 20
percent. The insurance department would not identify the company but
said it was not Anthem.
And in Oregon, multiple insurers were granted rate hikes of 15 percent
or more this year after increases of around 25 percent last year for
customers who purchase individual health insurance, rather than
getting it through their employer.
Premiums are far more volatile for individual policies than for those
bought by employers and other large groups, which have bargaining
clout and a sizable pool of people among which to spread risk. As more
people have lost jobs, many who are healthy have decided to go without
health insurance or get a bare-bones, high-deductible policy, reducing
the amount of premiums insurers receive.
Steep rate hikes in this sliver of the insurance market — about 13
million Americans, as of 2008 — have popped up sporadically for years.
Experts see them becoming increasingly common.
"You're going to see rate increases of 20, 25, 30 percent" for
individual health policies in the near term, Sandy Praeger, chairwoman
of the health insurance and managed care committee for the National
Association of Insurance Commissioners, predicted Friday.
Most states don't have the legal authority to block or reduce health
insurance rate increases, Praeger noted.
"When you see stories like (Anthem's), you can almost guarantee
there's going to be increased consumer protection activity" in state
legislatures, she said.
Her group doesn't track rates state by state, but Praeger said it
likely will start doing so, "if we don't get any kind of meaningful
reform at the federal level."
Politicians and even some health insurers, including Anthem, are
urging a revival of the stalled effort in Congress to overhaul the
health care system, arguing everyone needs to be covered by health
insurance in order to prevent such premium spikes.
In Maine, where Anthem dominates the market, its proposal has several
consumer groups planning big rallies at two public hearings on the
rates, on Feb. 22 and 24.
Under Anthem's proposal, a family of four could be charged up to
$1,876 per month if the proposed rates are allowed to take effect in
July.
"The rate request should be denied on its face. It's outrageous," said
Greg Howard, spokesman for Maine Change That Works. "We are in the
middle of ... this record-breaking type of recession, and they're
doing what they need to guarantee profit margin."
On Friday, Maine House Speaker Hannah Pingree and Senate President
Elizabeth Mitchell wrote to two congressmen who have scheduled a Feb.
24 hearing on Anthem's pending rate hikes in California, asking them
to also look into the proposed hike in Maine.
"We frankly have been very frustrated by the size of these increases,"
Pingree told The Associated Press. "Obviously, they are attempting to
price certain people out of the market."
Last year, Maine's Superintendent of Insurance Mila Kofman rejected
Anthem's initial requests, which would have increased individual rates
an average of 18.5 percent. She allowed an average increase of 10.9
percent, with the highest increase at 32.4 percent.
Anthem sued the state. Oral arguments in the case are to be scheduled
before the Maine Superior Court for mid-March.
Anthem spokesman Chris Dugan said Friday evening the company wants the
court to review Kofman's decision because it didn't allow the company
an operating profit. He said the rates requested for 2010 are needed
"to make sure that we have adequate resources to cover the remaining
members" in the insurance plans.
WellPoint, based in Indianapolis, has said it needs to raise rates so
much because the weak economy has resulted in fewer people remaining
in the individual market in California, and many who do have serious
health problems. It says costs of caring for them have been rising due
to higher provider prices and more use of diagnostic tests.
In Oregon, state insurance officials have concluded that rising costs
justify the higher individual premiums, particularly because most
insurers cut rates too much in 2006 and then got hit with significant
losses. So double-digit increases, some 25 percent or higher, have
been approved, or reduced a bit from 2007 to 2010.
Insurance Division spokeswoman Cheryl Martinis said the agency has
started posting details of all proposed increases on its Webspace site
and e-mailing customers want a proposal comes in so they can comment.
"People are extraordinarily upset in Oregon, as they are nationwide,
about health care costs," she said.
Jeff Howard
(snip)
Gun group, you twit!
You and "Lookout" should get another cheap room, and plook each other
to death.
Beryl
I think decimation results from stuff being consumed. Nothing is left.
Devastation leaves everything there, but it's all busted up.
Jeff M
Decimation is the elimination of 1/10th. It was a form of military
discipline for units accused of cowardice, etc., where one of every ten
soldiers was executed.
Stuart Wheaton
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
The election of Scott whatsihisname stopped the current Bill, now there
will be a Healthcare summit, televised, where the party of No can offer
their ideas...
After the public gets done laughing, and Tort reform gets added (Tort
reform seems to be the only Republican idea besides "No"...) After
people really see what is in the Bill, they will get it passed.
None4U
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:b30nn5t4pgp5a6u45...@4ax.com...
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
> minorities?
> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
> So unfair.
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>
> tschus
> "Phred"
> -
> pyotr filipivich
> "Remember, the moral of our show. Put your troubles away until tomorrow.
> If you're lucky, somebody will break into your house tonight and steal
> them."
> Dean Martin
Its because your stupid and you believe the bullshit the government told
you. We were told my ass. You were told. And you believed.
There is no healthcare crisis.
There is no plan to offer affordable healthcare to the poor.
The plan as offered wont be used by the poor. As it cost over 10 grand a
year to use it. And trhe government takes the money from you before you get
it. They wont use it as they will starve.
Its a scam . to offer something that cost a lot and cant be used. For
something we have thats cheap and effective.
hal
wrote:
You're retarded, and completely out of touch with reality. Socialism
is good for economies and for society. Capitalism is what destroys
economies and lives.
RBnDFW
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
> minorities?
> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
Pytor, If you aren't going to drink that Kool-Aid, pass it to TMT.
His glass is empty again.
pyotr filipivich
<m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:05:34 -0500 in
misc.survivalism:
>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>> to read it, just vote on it!
>
>
>the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
>
>
Oh, so it is all Bush's fault for not stopping Global Warming.
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Phil Kangas
<editor,,,net> wrote in message On Feb 17, 12:45 am, pyotr
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a
> Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't
> have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has
> sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to
> pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis
> suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts
ended the
game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize
Obamacare's
dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
But learn from the death of Obamacare with Scott Brown's
election
ending the Democrats' filibuster-proof majority in the
Senate -
because it also means we now can stop ANY agenda of theirs:
gun
control, amnesty for illegal aliens, tax hikes, whatever.
Sounds like hitler was a bit upset too about Scott Brown.
Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4D14aMMBTM
Jeff M
> <editor,,,net> wrote in message On Feb 17, 12:45 am, pyotr
> filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a
>> Perilous
>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't
>> have time
>> to read it, just vote on it!
>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR
>> machine
>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has
>> sought to
>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to
>> pass the Health
>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis
>> suddenly end?
>> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire?
>
> Because of MATH. Because Scott Brown's win in Massachusetts
> ended the
> game for the liberals in the Senate - and they now realize
> Obamacare's
> dead, due to lacking the votes needed to end filibusters.
The fact is that the Senate passed it's version of healthcare reform in
December, BEFORE Senator Brown was elected. Watch the reconciliation
process; its filibuster-proof.
jaf
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:8tron59jcj66un46l...@4ax.com...
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:05:34 -0500 in
> misc.survivalism:
>>
>>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b30nn5t4pgp5a6u45...@4ax.com...
>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>>
>>
>>It's a special extended winter vacation to celebrate the 4 feet of global warming that resulted from half the gubbermint going to
>>the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
>>
>>
> Oh, so it is all Bush's fault for not stopping Global Warming.
> -
> pyotr filipivich.
?????????????????
Bush? He ain't mentioned.
What are you smoking?
John
pyotr filipivich
<major_...@invalid.invalid> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010
06:38:25 +0000 (UTC) in misc.survivalism:
>
>
>Cuz wingnuts think it's more important to use the money to kill muzzies
>than to heal Americans
>
>Suck it, Bithch
Dear Bithch
Are you saying that the Democrat Party has been taken over by
wingnuts? And all those in Congress are no longer really Democrats,
but wingnuts?
How ever did _that_ Happen?
pyotr
pyotr filipivich
misc.survivalism:
>
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:8tron59jcj66un46l...@4ax.com...
>>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
>> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:05:34 -0500 in
>> misc.survivalism:
>>>
>>>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b30nn5t4pgp5a6u45...@4ax.com...
>>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>>>
>>>
>>>It's a special extended winter vacation to celebrate the 4 feet of global warming that resulted from half the gubbermint going to
>>>the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
>>>
>>>
>> Oh, so it is all Bush's fault for not stopping Global Warming.
>> -
>> pyotr filipivich.
>
>
>?????????????????
>
>Bush? He ain't mentioned.
So you're saying it's Obama's fault? He did promise us that by
electing him, Global Warming would stop. I think that is what
happened - He stopped Global Warming but over did it.
>What are you smoking?
Corn Beef Hash.
No wait, you can smoke corn beef, and you can smoke hash, but you
cannot smoke the corn beef hash.
Never mind.
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Rock is Dead! --- Long live Paper & Scissors!
pyotr filipivich
<bue...@wowway.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:01:29
-0500 in misc.survivalism:>news:2310b360-8fa2-45a7...@w31g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>> to read it, just vote on it!
>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>>
>> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>> health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>> minorities?
>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>
>> So unfair.
>>
>> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
>> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>>
>> "Phred"
>> -
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "Remember, the moral of our show. Put your troubles away until tomorrow.
>> If you're lucky, somebody will break into your house tonight and steal
>> them."
>> Dean Martin
>
>something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
>Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
>
>
>Dave
>
>******************************
>
>Did you type that blatant lie with a straight face? Or, did you drink THAT
>much Kool-Aid?
He still hasn't answer my question: why have the Democrats stopped
working so hard for the little people? One week, getting Health Care
Reform passed was the lead story. Then after the Solstice holidays -
boom! nothing. It's like "Health Care Reform? Oh, that's so 2009."
awthrawthr
(A) there is no crisis. The vast majority of the American people were
happy with the present system.
(B) If it were put up for a vote today, many Democrats would vote
against it because they want to get reelected. Voting for the health
control bills is political suicide. When Brown won in MA, his main
issue was running against the health control bills. If it can win an
election in MA, it would win elections almost anywhere.
pyotr filipivich
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
Now wait a minute, how can the ebil Republicans thwart the Great
One's Agenda - they're not in the Majority anywhere's but on Fox News,
and Talk Radio. And we all know how impotent those are.
What has changed the Democrats in Congress that suddenly they're
not addressing the Greatest Issue to Face America Since the
introduction of the Ford Model T?
-
pyotr filipivich
What is normal?
"Two sigmas either side of mu.
You bring the cow." drieux.
pyotr filipivich
Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:59:21 GMT in misc.survivalism:
Oh good. hal knows how the Democrats have been completely blocked
from passing any legislation these last 13 months, despite having
absolute majorities in the House, Senate and 4th Estate. But more
importantly, why suddenly, those Democrats are not fighting so hard to
get this Vital for America's Future legislation passed.
So tell us all hal, how it is that the Democrats suddenly stopped
fighting for the little people?
Orbital Mind Control Lasers? A side effect of the Global Warming
blizzards of 2010? Bribery?
You can tell us.
-
APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the
future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation
of coding bums.
-- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5
pyotr filipivich
<nos...@nospam.none> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:10:44
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
Are you trying to tell me that the Democrats in the House, Senate
and 4th Estate, might be mendacious prevaricators when it comes to
their dedication to the needs of The People?
>There is no healthcare crisis.
>There is no plan to offer affordable healthcare to the poor.
>The plan as offered wont be used by the poor. As it cost over 10 grand a
>year to use it. And trhe government takes the money from you before you get
>it. They wont use it as they will starve.
>Its a scam . to offer something that cost a lot and cant be used. For
>something we have thats cheap and effective.
>
-
pyotr filipivich
Next Months Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
pyotr filipivich
<sdwh...@fuse.net> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:50:14
-0500 in misc.survivalism:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>> to read it, just vote on it!
>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>>
>
>The election of Scott whatsihisname stopped the current Bill,
Wait, are you trying to tell me that without Ted Kennedy Seat, the
Democrats are now in the Minority in the Senate?
>now there
>will be a Healthcare summit, televised, where the party of No can offer
>their ideas...
>After the public gets done laughing, and Tort reform gets added (Tort
>reform seems to be the only Republican idea besides "No"...) After
>people really see what is in the Bill, they will get it passed.
But I thought this was such a crisis that we couldn't wait? I
mean, it had to be done before the Winter Solstice break or the
Republic would be doomed. And now - they've given up? Just because
Ted Kennedy's Seat held an election?
pyotr filipivich
Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:38:08 GMT in misc.survivalism:
>On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:45:51 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>>Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>to read it, just vote on it!
>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>>suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>>address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>>Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>>Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>>last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>>in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>>
>>of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>>health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>>them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>>minorities?
>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
>
>They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
>they will be out of power for decades.
That's what I want to know - how are the Republicans thwarting the
Democrat majority? I mean, the Democrats are in the Majority - in the
House, In the Senate, in the 4th Estate? Who can oppose them? Who
could stop them? I mean, the media has been just wetting themselves
because Obama was going to fix the Healthcare Crisis - and now,
there's not a word about it. What happened?
I'll bet its really an effort by the Clintons to pay back Obama
for daring to run against Hilary, and from taking her rightful place
as The President. Yeah, that's the ticket, the Republicans are just a
front for the Clintons.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
If I say two plus two is four and you say two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is six.
Jonah Goldberg
SaPeIsMa
"Beryl" <fo...@road.net> wrote in message
news:BKidnWxizvKLxOHW...@posted.toastnet...
Decimation comes from the killing of over 10th living being (decimal). And
thus is usually applied to populations
Devastation is usually applied to non-living things
Client base was decimated
The industrial infrastructure was devastated.
SaPeIsMa
"hal" wrote in message news:4b7c11bf...@news.newsguy.com...
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>>>>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>>>>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>>>>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>>
>>>
>>> Clearly the right wing is desperately against Obama no matter what.
>>> They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
>>> they will be out of power for decades.
>>>
>>
>>
> ad hominem because you can't cope with the facts. What we are seeing
> is an all out assault on Obama and the Democrats and total and
> complete obstructionism from the right wing. Clearly because they are
> desperate to regain power, and the only way they have a chance of
> doing that is to see to it Obama fails. It's true and you damned will
> know it.
Funny, though that we have just been through 8 years of incessant
demaguogery, defamatoin and personal attacks against G.W Bush
And now the left is whining because Obambi is getting a very small fraction
of what Bush was put through
Obambi clearly needs no help from the Republicans to fail
The man is so incompetent that even with a SUPER-MAJORITY he was unable to
push through his agenda
You don't get any cheese with your whine, asshat.
Tater Gumfries
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
There never was no crisis. Yeah, the system is screwed up, but we're
pretty healthy compared to what we was a century ago. What happened is
that they watered down what they wanted to do till the bill was a
piece of crap, and they couldn't pass it anyways, so they shut up.
What's there to talk about? Write a new bill, one that's sensible,
like Tatercare. Then it might pass.
Buerste
<hal> wrote in message news:4b7c2316...@news.newsguy.com...
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:11:51 -0500, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><hal> wrote in message news:4b7c1225...@news.newsguy.com...
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:01:29 -0500, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
>>>>something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
>>>>Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
>>>
>>> If he does they are just barely smart enough to realized they will
>>> never regain power again perhaps for decades.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Did you forget to state that anybody that doesn't fawn over Obama is a
>>racist?
>>
> This has nothing to do with racism for anybody but the stupid southern
> rednecks. The right wing hates Obama because he is a socialist. He
> is the rightards worst nightmare. If he manages to retain and
> consolodate power the rightwing is finished. My biggest fear is they
> are going to do what they did to Kennedy. Then we truly will have a
> civil war.
Why do you think he picked Biden? ...life insurance!
Buerste
<hal> wrote in message news:4b7c6b9d...@news.newsguy.com...
Yea, right!
Shall not be infringed
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:58:51 -0500 in
> misc.survivalism:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
> >> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:05:34 -0500 in
> >> misc.survivalism:
>
> >>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> >>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> >>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>
> >>>It's a special extended winter vacation to celebrate the 4 feet of global warming that resulted from half the gubbermint going to
> >>>the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
>
> >> Oh, so it is all Bush's fault for not stopping Global Warming.
> >> -
> >> pyotr filipivich.
>
> >?????????????????
>
> >Bush? He ain't mentioned.
>
> So you're saying it's Obama's fault? He did promise us that by
> electing him, Global Warming would stop. I think that is what
> happened - He stopped Global Warming but over did it.
>
> >What are you smoking?
>
> Corn Beef Hash.
>
> No wait, you can smoke corn beef, and you can smoke hash, but you
> cannot smoke the corn beef hash.
>
> Never mind.
>
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Rock is Dead! --- Long live Paper & Scissors!
My wife smokes corned beef hash. Actually, I think she makes it Cajun-
style... blackened.
If our home were a temple, she could claim it as ecumenical corned
beef hash... burnt offerings.
Beryl
Harsh! If humans had eight fingers and used the octal system, octation
would have been worse.
robert bowman
> (A) there is no crisis. The vast majority of the American people were
> happy with the present system.
I think 'happy' is a stretch, but better the screwed up system you know than
a leap into the abyss.
Curly Surmudgeon
2.5% worse.
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Curly Surmudgeon
Agree with all but your take on "Capitalism."
Capitalism is good. In fact it is great. When capitalism morphs into
monopolies, graft, corruption and special interests it is no longer
"capitalism."
Curly Surmudgeon
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Obstructionists using a false "filibuster." But you know that and are
just trolling...
hal
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>>>Yep, we conservatives will do our best to obstruct Obama's Neo-Socialist
>>>agenda. Not for power, but because you Socialists are not only wrong
>>>but you are evil.
>>>
>> You're retarded, and completely out of touch with reality. Socialism is
>> good for economies and for society. Capitalism is what destroys
>> economies and lives.
>
>Agree with all but your take on "Capitalism."
>
>Capitalism is good. In fact it is great. When capitalism morphs into
>monopolies, graft, corruption and special interests it is no longer
>"capitalism."
Any system that relies on, promotes, and rewards unrelenting greed and
ignores corruption in the name of personal profit is inherently evil.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:55:40 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Yep, we conservatives will do our best to obstruct Obama's
>>>>Neo-Socialist agenda. Not for power, but because you Socialists are
>>>>not only wrong but you are evil.
>>>>
>>> You're retarded, and completely out of touch with reality. Socialism
>>> is good for economies and for society. Capitalism is what destroys
>>> economies and lives.
>>
>>Agree with all but your take on "Capitalism."
>>
>>Capitalism is good. In fact it is great. When capitalism morphs into
>>monopolies, graft, corruption and special interests it is no longer
>>"capitalism."
>
> Any system that relies on, promotes, and rewards unrelenting greed and
> ignores corruption in the name of personal profit is inherently evil.
True. That is why I like capitalism.
jaf
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:6g3pn51thocjlksr8...@4ax.com...
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:58:51 -0500 in
> misc.survivalism:
>>
>>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:8tron59jcj66un46l...@4ax.com...
>>>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "jaf"
>>> <m...@here.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:05:34 -0500 in
>>> misc.survivalism:
>>>>
>>>>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b30nn5t4pgp5a6u45...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>>>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's a special extended winter vacation to celebrate the 4 feet of global warming that resulted from half the gubbermint going
>>>>to
>>>>the global warming summit for 2 days and spending $2200.00 per night, 5 night min, on smancy hotels at taxpayer expense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh, so it is all Bush's fault for not stopping Global Warming.
>>> -
>>> pyotr filipivich.
>>
>>
>>?????????????????
>>
>>Bush? He ain't mentioned.
>
> So you're saying it's Obama's fault? He did promise us that by
> electing him, Global Warming would stop. I think that is what
> happened - He stopped Global Warming but over did it.
>
0bayme sent his minkies on a two day vacation at the global warming summit.
$2200.00 per night. Five night min.
So, yes it is 0bayme's fault.
Not Bush!
If the minkie in chief has stopped global warming, why has he not taken credit for it?
No announcement. No flag waving. No kiss my feet.
Not even a "I really am god, the messiah, and the best thing since sliced bread"
Keep smoking the corned beef cakes. You need the excuse.
John
jaf
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:ak4pn51vctnr06f4a...@4ax.com...
.>> Are you trying to tell me that the Democrats in the House, Senate
> and 4th Estate, might be mendacious prevaricators when it comes to
> their dedication to the needs of The People?
>
Precisely.
But "fucking liars" communicates the point in a more deserved demeaning vernacular.
They are low life bottom feeding scum sucking rat faced liars.
John
jaf
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:cg4pn557ofoh0g76o...@4ax.com...
>
> Wait, are you trying to tell me that without Ted Kennedy Seat, the
> Democrats are now in the Minority in the Senate?
>
Another slow boat!
The "seat" belongs to The People of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts not the acme irish dinosaur club.
John
Larry Jaques
<ph...@mindspring.com> scrawled the following:
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
>Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>minorities?
> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
> So unfair.
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
>go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>
>tschus
>"Phred"
I laughed out loud at that one, Pete. Danke mucho, monsieur.
--
Note to The O -
You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do.
-- Henry Ford
Curly Surmudgeon
Which is why they were voted out of office in 2008.
Hawke
The fact that you find it necessary to lie says a lot about you. For one
thing it means you are a right winger. As you well know, health care
reform is not free. Just as you know having firemen, policemen,
teachers, or soldiers isn't free either. You pay for them with your
taxes. Everyone gets health care in America. That is what right wingers
tell us. People with money pay for it and the poor get it from hospitals
for free. So everyone has health care and the bill for all is paid by
everyone who has insurance. Changing to national health care doesn't
change that. Everyone will still be covered but instead of doing it in
the most expensive and wasteful way possible it will be done in a much
cheaper and more efficient way. The fact you lie about it tells everyone
that you are dishonest and unpatriotic. It also says you're a sucker
that is easily taken in by lies from the health insurance industry. That
makes you a dishonest, easily conned, rube who hasn't the brains to know
the current health system is headed for the rocks. HTH.
As for health care not being worked on by the Democrats, that is just
more disinformation provided by the right wing. Obama and the leaders of
the Democratic party have not forgotten about health care reform. It's
being worked on as I write. The media has switched to other topics for
the moment. That's all. It'll be front and center as soon as the
Democrats start implementing their plans.
Hawke
Hawke
>> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>> health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>> minorities?
>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>
>> So unfair.
>>
>> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
>> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>>
>> pyotr filipivich
>
> They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
> something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
> Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
>
>
> Dave
For the same reason republicans are for stimulus spending in their home
district but were against the stimulus bill when it came up for a vote.
Many republicans even sent letters requesting funds to be used in their
districts. Funds which they voted against and funds which they bragged
about for creating jobs and was good for their districts, which they
also said would be a waste when they voted against it. It's the same
with health care. Most of what the republicans said they want in health
care reform is in the bill. But if the Democrats proposed it the
republicans are against it even if they sponsored the bill to begin
with. Like when seven republicans sponsored a bill to create a
commission to look at the deficit. When Obama suggested the same thing
they voted against it even though they had sponsored it. That's
republicans for you; first class hypocrites. They're against anything
the Democrats want to do even if they were for it themselves the day
before. They're really something.
Hawke
Hawke
>>>>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>>>>> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>>>>> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>>>>> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>>>>> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clearly the right wing is desperately against Obama no matter what.
>>>> They are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know
>>>> they will be out of power for decades.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amazing the stupid nonsense leftists need to believe
>>>
>> ad hominem because you can't cope with the facts. What we are seeing
>> is an all out assault on Obama and the Democrats and total and
>> complete obstructionism from the right wing. Clearly because they are
>> desperate to regain power, and the only way they have a chance of
>> doing that is to see to it Obama fails. It's true and you damned will
>> know it.
>
> Yep, we conservatives will do our best to obstruct Obama's Neo-Socialist
> agenda. Not for power, but because you Socialists are not only wrong
> but you are evil.
We all know that and that is why we "socialists" are going to cram
health care reform down your throats. Because that is the only way we
can make any progress in this country. This is a war between those who
want to change things and those who don't. Like it or not you status quo
protectors are the minority and you are going to lose this one. Maybe
not today, maybe not tomorrow, but in the end you are going to lose. The
fact that change has to be crammed down your throats is your fault and
no one else's. If you weren't so stubborn, unreasonable, an irrational,
we could find a compromise. But you folks are no different than the
Taliban. You can't work with them or you righties. Negotiation is
impossible. So we aren't going to try anymore. Open wide, loudmouth
minority.
Hawke
Hawke
>>>> ad hominem because you can't cope with the facts. What we are seeing
>>>> is an all out assault on Obama and the Democrats and total and
>>>> complete obstructionism from the right wing. Clearly because they are
>>>> desperate to regain power, and the only way they have a chance of
>>>> doing that is to see to it Obama fails. It's true and you damned will
>>>> know it.
>>> Yep, we conservatives will do our best to obstruct Obama's Neo-Socialist
>>> agenda. Not for power, but because you Socialists are not only wrong
>>> but you are evil.
>>>
>> You're retarded, and completely out of touch with reality. Socialism is
>> good for economies and for society. Capitalism is what destroys
>> economies and lives.
>
> Agree with all but your take on "Capitalism."
>
> Capitalism is good. In fact it is great. When capitalism morphs into
> monopolies, graft, corruption and special interests it is no longer
> "capitalism."
>
From what I've seen that is what always happens with capitalism.
Eventually a small group gains control of the majority of a country's
wealth and then uses it to take over the government for its own interest.
Hawke
Hawke
>>> Clearly the right wing is desperately against Obama no matter what. They
>>> are desperate for him to fail because if he succeeds they know they will
>>> be out of power for decades.
>> That's what I want to know - how are the Republicans thwarting the
>> Democrat majority? I mean, the Democrats are in the Majority - in the
>> House, In the Senate, in the 4th Estate? Who can oppose them? Who
>> could stop them?
>
> Obstructionists using a false "filibuster." But you know that and are
> just trolling...
>
It's a rule. Right wingers always lie. What they think and what they
stand for can't stand the light of day so the have to lie to get what
they want. They're like used car salesmen who tell you the lemon they
are selling you is a real gem. That's a right winger for you. They have
to lie. They're good at it. They do it all the time. They do it so much
a lot of people wind up believing them. They pay for that mistake too.
It's just like the WMD lie that got us into Iraq. The people never would
have gone for it if they told them the truth. If they told the truth
about health care reform the people would be for it. So they lie. What's
new.
Hawke
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
That is what the Constitution was designed to prevent. That the
descendants of our founders failed does not mean capitalism failed.
Greed won.
Freedom is a precarious state. Unless we defend it rigorously with
honorable trustees (politicians) it will invariably fail. Neither
Republicans nor Democrats will defend the Constution. As we've seen
Republicans wipe their collective asses with the Constitution and
Democrats pick and choose like at a buffet. It doesn't work that way.
If we are to regain our freedom and glory then we must not only cease
micromanaging personal relationships but protecting artificial human
beings by elevating the legal facade to heavenly levels.
Lawyers and corporations brought out nation to its knees. In each and
every disaster America is experiencing can be traced to an unholy
alliance of the two justifying their greed through mealy-mouthed excuses.
This is what America gets for trusting those in power. The abominable
ignorance who elevates these criminals to positions of power must cease
before any real solution can be implemented.
Smart Evil can thwart ignorant good.
Beryl
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:44:55 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
>> Jeff M wrote:
>>> Beryl wrote:
>>>> John Husvar wrote:
>>>>> In article <TO-dnWuuYKRDEubW...@posted.toastnet>,
>>>>> Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>>> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both
>>>>>>> houses of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't
>>>>>>> they pass health care last summer?]
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you! (and at significant risk of being accused of pedantry, too
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, would you address decimation vs. devastation?
>>>> I think decimation results from stuff being consumed. Nothing is left.
>>>> Devastation leaves everything there, but it's all busted up.
>>> Decimation is the elimination of 1/10th. It was a form of military
>>> discipline for units accused of cowardice, etc., where one of every ten
>>> soldiers was executed.
>> Harsh! If humans had eight fingers and used the octal system, octation
>> would have been worse.
>
> 2.5% worse.
That must be expressed octally! No per-cent.
SaPeIsMa
"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwh...@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:1a51d$4b7c6494$d06602ac$26...@FUSE.NET...
> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>> to read it, just vote on it!
>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
>> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
>> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>>
>
> will be a Healthcare summit, televised, where the party of No can offer
> their ideas...
>
> After the public gets done laughing, and Tort reform gets added (Tort
> reform seems to be the only Republican idea besides "No"...) After
> people really see what is in the Bill, they will get it passed.
Too bad that
1) Other ideas have been presented by the Republicans, but that Dems were
so full of themselves with their super-majority, that they imagined they
could ignore what other people have to say
2) Tort reform would lead to a MAJOR saving across the board by
i) reducing the malpractice insurance rates
ii) eliminating a great many unecessary tests, done primarily so
that doctors can be covered if they are sued
iii) reduce a large portion of the paperwork in the medical
profession, because of the need to be well documented JUST IN CASE the
doctor/clinic/hospital/insurer is sued for malpractice
Considering that Brown is NOT going to be a unique case of Dems losing
seats, (just look at those deciding that retirement will avoid an
embarassing loss in the next election), the majority and ability of the Dems
to pass ANY laws in the next few years is going to be SERIOUSLY limited.
This is PARTICULARLY true for Health care, since a LARGE portion of the
population is AGAINS IT
Sid9
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
news:76WdnYETQeOOXODW...@posted.cpinternet...
,
February 18, 2010
White House: Dems Near Accord on Health Care Bill
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 4:49 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House and congressional leaders are preparing a
detailed health care proposal designed to win passage without Republican
support if GOP lawmakers fail to embrace bipartisan compromises at President
Barack Obama's summit next week.
A senior White House official said Thursday that Democratic negotiators are
resolving final differences in House and Senate health bills that passed
last year with virtually no Republican help. The White House plans to post
the proposals online by Monday morning, three days ahead of the Feb. 25
summit, which GOP leaders are approaching warily.
The comments signal that Obama and Congress' Democratic leaders still plan
to use assertive and sometimes controversial parliamentary powers to enact a
far-reaching health care bill if no GOP lawmakers get on board. Republicans
and conservative activists have denounced such a strategy, and it's unclear
whether enough House and Senate Democrats would back it. Both parties have
used the strategy, known as reconciliation, in the past.
Obama says he is open to Republican ideas for changing the health care
legislation. But many Democrats seriously doubt GOP leaders will support
compromises that could draw enough lawmakers from both parties to create a
bipartisan majority.
The negotiations, led by Democratic leaders with White House input, are
meant to determine what changes must be made to the Senate-passed bill for
House Democrats to accept it, the administration official said. The goal is
to craft a reconciled measure that Senate Democrats can pass, under rules
barring GOP filibusters, unless Republicans offer acceptable changes at next
week's summit.
Democrats lost their ability to block filibusters when Massachusetts
Republican Scott Brown won a Senate seat last month.
The White House official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss
private negotiations.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Thursday that
Obama plans to have a health care proposal that ''will take some of the best
ideas and put them into a framework'' ahead of the Feb. 25 summit.
House Democrats insist on several changes to the bill the Senate passed on
Christmas Eve. They include reducing or eliminating a proposed tax on
generous employer-provider health plans, and eliminating a Medicaid subsidy
aimed only at Nebraska.
Overall, the Democratic plans would provide health insurance to more than 30
million people now uninsured and end the industry practice of denying
coverage to those with medical problems. Most Americans would be required to
carry health coverage, with new government subsidies available to reduce the
cost for many.
The main beneficiaries would be small businesses and people who now buy
their own insurance. They now have few choices, and premium prices can spike
unpredictably from year to year.
Under the Democrats' legislation, they would be able to pick a plan in a new
insurance marketplace offering a range of choices similar to those available
to federal employees.
The cost of the legislation -- about $1 trillion over 10 years -- would be
paid for through Medicare cuts and a series of tax increases. In the short
run, the nation would spend more on health care under the Democratic plans,
since newly covered people would be able to get care they had previously put
off. Over time, however, the rate of increase in medical costs would begin
to slow.
Curly Surmudgeon
> To the best of my knowledge there was nothing other then a possible
> threat of one.
Right. By Senate rules that requires a 3/5ths, 60 vote, margin. Note
that I clearly said, "false filibuster."
The troll knew that. So do you.
Curly Surmudgeon
Ok but it's a repeating franction: 0.0146314631463.... base 8
Too_Many_Tools
> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a Perilous
> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
> to read it, just vote on it!
> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR machine
> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
> Has a statute of limitations on the bill expire? Is HealthCare so
> last year, so 2009? Did the Democrats suddenly lose their majority
> in the House, Senate and Fourth Estate?
>
> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
> minorities?
> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>
>
> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>
> "Phred"
> -
> pyotr filipivich
> "Remember, the moral of our show. Put your troubles away until tomorrow.
> If you're lucky, somebody will break into your house tonight and steal them."
> Dean Martin
Strange...sure looks like it is on track to me...and millions of
Americans.
TMT
Obama keeps all-Democratic health care option open
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Charles Babington,
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – The White House signaled Thursday that an aggressive, all-
Democratic strategy for overhauling the nation's health care system
remains a serious option, even as President Barack Obama invites
Republicans to next week's televised summit to seek possible
compromises.
The administration's stance could set the stage for a political
showdown, with Democrats struggling to enact the president's top
domestic priority and Republicans trying to block what many
conservatives see as government overreach.
A senior administration official said Democratic congressional leaders
have nearly finished efforts to reconcile two health bills, which the
House and Senate passed separately last year with practically no
Republican help. Obama will use their legislation to expand coverage
to some 30 million and require most Americans to carry insurance as
the basis for a proposal that the White House will post online by
Monday, three days before the Feb. 25 summit, said the official.
He spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private
negotiations.
Obama says he is open to Republican ideas for changing the health care
system. But many Democrats seriously doubt GOP leaders will support
compromises that could draw enough lawmakers from both parties to
create a bipartisan majority.
If next week's meeting does not break the logjam, congressional
Democrats will face a tough choice. They can pass a highly diluted
health care bill or nothing at all, which would send them into the
November elections with a high-profile failure despite their control
of Congress and the White House.
Or they can use an assertive and contentious tactic, known as
reconciliation, to pass a far-reaching health care bill in the Senate
without having to face GOP delaying tactics. Democrats lost their
ability to block filibusters when Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown
won a Senate seat last month.
Both parties have used reconciliation rules in the past. But
Republicans have practically dared Democrats to do so on health care,
citing polls showing significant opposition to the legislation.
It's unclear whether the House or Senate can muster the necessary
votes. Democrats, who now hold 255 of the House's 435 seats, drew only
one GOP ally when the House passed its health care bill, 220-215, last
November. Since then, one Democrat who voted for the bill has
resigned, one has died and a third plans to leave office Feb. 28.
Moreover, changes meant to meet Senate demands could peel away enough
liberals on one end, and party centrists on the other, to cause the
revised bill to fail.
In the Senate, Democrats control 59 seats, and reconciliation rules
require only a simple majority. But several Democratic senators have
expressed discomfort or outright opposition to using the rules to
thwart filibusters on health care.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Thursday
that Obama plans to have a health care proposal that "will take some
of the best ideas and put them into a framework" ahead of the Feb. 25
summit. The White House has invited Republicans to bring their own
proposals, but GOP leaders have treated the event warily at best.
House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said Thursday, "a
productive, bipartisan conversation on health care starts with a clean
sheet of paper." His office labeled next week's meeting the "summit of
all fears."
But at least one moderate Republican was optimistic about the session.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine said if the summit succeeds, a bipartisan
bill could be put together and passed within six weeks. "My advice to
our Republican leadership is we should view this as a good faith
effort and go in there with a consensus list of provisions that we
could support and that would make a difference," she said in an
interview with The Associated Press.
House Democrats are insisting on several changes to the bill the
Senate passed on Christmas Eve, before Brown was elected to succeed
the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. The changes include reducing or
eliminating a proposed tax on generous employer-provider health plans,
and eliminating a Medicaid subsidy aimed only at Nebraska.
Also, some House Democrats who oppose legalized abortion are demanding
that the Senate's more permissive language on the topic be replaced by
the House provisions. It was unclear Thursday how that might be
achieved.
The cost of the legislation — about $1 trillion over 10 years — would
be paid for through Medicare cuts and a series of tax increases. House
officials said Democratic leaders are not yet pressing wary colleagues
to back a health care bill under the special procedural rules. That
could happen soon, however, if next week's summit fails to produce a
bipartisan breakthrough.
House congressional aides said they expect leaders such as Speaker
Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to tell colleagues that using all their
parliamentary muscle to pass a health care bill — even if it triggers
withering criticism from the right — is preferable to facing voters
empty-handed this fall.
____
Associated Press writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar in Washington and
Clarke Canfield in Portland, Maine, contributed to this report.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:22:16 -0800 (PST), Tater Gumfries
> <ta...@kernsholler.net> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 16, 10:45 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a
>>> Perilous
>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR
>>> machine
>>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>>
>>There never was no crisis. Yeah, the system is screwed up, but we're
>>pretty healthy compared to what we was a century ago. What happened is
>>that they watered down what they wanted to do till the bill was a piece
>>of crap, and they couldn't pass it anyways, so they shut up. What's
>>there to talk about? Write a new bill, one that's sensible, like
>>Tatercare. Then it might pass.
>>
> I absolutely agree with you that there was NO crisis.
Facts say otherwise: http://tinyurl.com/yheryub
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:22:16 -0800 (PST), Tater Gumfries
> <ta...@kernsholler.net> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 16, 10:45 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Were we not told that Healthcare in America was in such a
>>> Perilous
>>> Crisis, that a bill had to be passed Right Now! We didn't have time
>>> to read it, just vote on it!
>>> And suddenly - not a word. The entire Democrat Party PR
>>> machine
>>> suddenly goes on hold. It has been weeks since the One has sought to
>>> address the nation, to tell us how necessary it was to pass the Health
>>> Care Reform Act. Nothing. Did the Healthcare Crisis suddenly end?
>>
>>There never was no crisis. Yeah, the system is screwed up, but we're
>>pretty healthy compared to what we was a century ago. What happened is
>>that they watered down what they wanted to do till the bill was a piece
>>of crap, and they couldn't pass it anyways, so they shut up. What's
>>there to talk about? Write a new bill, one that's sensible, like
>>Tatercare. Then it might pass.
>>
> I absolutely agree with you that there was NO crisis. After all they've
> accomplished nothing as of yet
Facts say otherwise: http://tinyurl.com/yjxmhrf
Stuart Wheaton
It's a nice dream, but not backed up by reality. Several states have
introduced tort reform and capped damages. The result has been very
little reduction in cost, premiums, or improved care.
Beryl
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:44:55 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
>> Jeff M wrote:
>>> Beryl wrote:
>>>> John Husvar wrote:
>>>>> In article <TO-dnWuuYKRDEubW...@posted.toastnet>,
>>>>> Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>>> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>>>>>>> health care last summer?]
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you! (and at significant risk of being accused of pedantry, too :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, would you address decimation vs. devastation?
>>>> I think decimation results from stuff being consumed. Nothing is left.
>>>> Devastation leaves everything there, but it's all busted up.
>>> Decimation is the elimination of 1/10th. It was a form of military
>>> discipline for units accused of cowardice, etc., where one of every ten
>>> soldiers was executed.
>> Harsh! If humans had eight fingers and used the octal system, octation
>> would have been worse.
>>
> tenth digits are those opposable thumbs that supposedly separate us
> from the other animals and let us build & use tools.
And that's why our eyes are at the front. Some think it's because we're
predators, but look at sharks - no thumbs.
> Although I have known a couple of men that need to drop their drawers
> when playing Blackjack. It's the only way they can count to 21!
I heard about them.
Sid9
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Tort reform is a bullshit issue that can be dealt with after a healthcare
bill is passed and signed.
In Florida its no issue.
Drs can opt out of carrying insurance...most that I've seen do opt out.
Harold Burton
"Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote:
> Tort reform is a bullshit issue
From the lefturd dictionary: Bullshit issue. n. an issue that we can't
refute.
Snicker.
Shall not be infringed
> Jeff M wrote:
> > Beryl wrote:
> >> John Husvar wrote:
> >>> Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> >>>>> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
> >>>>> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
> >>>>> health care last summer?]
> >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
> >>> Thank you! (and at significant risk of being accused of pedantry, too :)
>
> >>> Now, would you address decimation vs. devastation?
>
> >> I think decimation results from stuff being consumed. Nothing is left.
> >> Devastation leaves everything there, but it's all busted up.
>
> > Decimation is the elimination of 1/10th. It was a form of military
> > discipline for units accused of cowardice, etc., where one of every ten
> > soldiers was executed.
>
> Harsh! If humans had eight fingers and used the octal system, octation
Libraries would be using the Dewey Octagon system.
Martin H. Eastburn
The people and local governments want and expect something.
Look at the stimulus bill - the biggest and widest pork barrel
bill by the democrats in years. It is as if they were saving their
wish list for years. Has any of it hit the towns yet ?
We got some IKE money - nominal amount but something.
Control doesn't mean black and white. It means responsible spending.
Responsibility for ones doing is important.
Martin
Hawke wrote:
> Dave__67 wrote:
>
>>> Near as I can tell, the Democrats still have a majority in both houses
>>> of Congress. [Which still begs the question - why couldn't they pass
>>> health care last summer?] Did the election of Scott Brown transform
>>> them all into evil Republicans who only want to kill women &
>>> minorities?
>>> Or is this all part of some nefarious Vast Riechwinger Plot to
>>> make Obama look bad, and tarnish his legacy? I'll bet that's the Real
>>> Story. It's all a sinister Cabal by Karl Rove to overthrow the
>>> Government and install a Theocracy! Yes, that's it, the total and
>>> absolute control of everyone's lives by non-Progressive elements!
>>>
>>> So unfair.
>>>
>>> Does this mean we're not going to get free medical insurance, to
>>> go with our free mortgages and gasoline?
>>>
>
>>> pyotr filipivich
>
>>
>> They're embarrased because they realized that a public option is
>> something the repugs wanted some number of years ago...
>> Wasn't socialist then, was it, so why is it socialist now?
>>
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> For the same reason republicans are for stimulus spending in their home
> district but were against the stimulus bill when it came up for a vote.
> Many republicans even sent letters requesting funds to be used in their
> districts. Funds which they voted against and funds which they bragged
> about for creating jobs and was good for their districts, which they
> also said would be a waste when they voted against it. It's the same
> with health care. Most of what the republicans said they want in health
> care reform is in the bill. But if the Democrats proposed it the
> republicans are against it even if they sponsored the bill to begin
> with. Like when seven republicans sponsored a bill to create a
> commission to look at the deficit. When Obama suggested the same thing
> they voted against it even though they had sponsored it. That's
> republicans for you; first class hypocrites. They're against anything
> the Democrats want to do even if they were for it themselves the day
> before. They're really something.
>
> Hawke
Martin H. Eastburn
Martin