Trijicon

Cliff

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Jan 19, 2010, 9:04:18 AM1/19/10

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_firm_takes_flak_for_rifle_scopes_with_bible_verse.html
"Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
branded with Bible verses"

[
.....
A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle scopes
used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with passages from the
Bible.
....
Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from the New
Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent reference to
John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will
have the light of life."
....
]

It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
the Middle East.
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Cliff

TwoGuns

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Jan 19, 2010, 2:15:50 PM1/19/10

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On Jan 19, 8:04 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_firm_t...

> "Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
> branded with Bible verses"
>
> [
> .....
> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle scopes
> used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with passages from the
> Bible.
> ....
> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from the New
> Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent reference to
> John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will
> have the light of life."
> ....
> ]
>
> It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
> the Middle East.
> --
> Cliff

You have reached a new level of absurdity Cliff.

DL

Morton Davis

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Jan 19, 2010, 10:11:42 PM1/19/10

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"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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Produce a credible CITE.

tankfixer

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Jan 20, 2010, 12:10:15 AM1/20/10

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In article <d-CdnTHiq9Wa6cvW...@mchsi.com>,
anti...@go.com says...

A credible cite from Cliff ?
Shirly you jest...

DT

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Jan 20, 2010, 12:40:13 AM1/20/10

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In article <d-CdnTHiq9Wa6cvW...@mchsi.com>, anti...@go.com
says...

>"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:rnebl5141j9co8rqt...@4ax.com...
>>

>> "Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
>> branded with Bible verses"
>>

>> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
>> scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
>> passages from the Bible.
>>

>> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
>> the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent
>> reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
>> darkness, but will have the light of life."
>>

>> It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
>> the Middle East.

>Produce a credible CITE.

A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I checked my
Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a long time, they
have been doing it for awhile.

--
Dennis

Cliff

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Jan 20, 2010, 4:25:57 AM1/20/10

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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/2009520183753121834.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/05/200952017377106909.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/your_views/general/20095490457695.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2009/05/200955121848761704.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/2009542250178146.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/200954191137422638.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/20095485025169646.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/200953201315854832.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/20095423950874168.html

HTH
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Cliff

tankfixer

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Jan 20, 2010, 10:18:39 AM1/20/10

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In article <inidl5lbcufupau3n...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

Al jazeera..
You have got to be kidding...

Wes

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Jan 20, 2010, 12:32:04 PM1/20/10

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tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Al jazeera..
>You have got to be kidding...

More accurate than the NY Times.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

DockScience

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:47:46 PM1/20/10

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"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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>

And what's worse, they all have "cross" hairs.

No one in the Middle East is forced to take a Trijicon scope.

Steve W.

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Jan 20, 2010, 1:53:29 PM1/20/10

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They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

ï¿½ Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

ï¿½ Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

ï¿½ Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

ï¿½ Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

ï¿½ Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.

Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

--
Steve W.

Wes

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Jan 20, 2010, 5:23:36 PM1/20/10

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"Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:

>They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
>one of production.
>They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
>private gun ownership...
>
>TRIJICON'S VALUES
>

>� Honesty/Integrity

>We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
>our employees, our customers and our suppliers.
>

>� Teamwork/Dedication

>We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
>unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.
>

>� Customers

>We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
>continually improve our products to meet their needs.
>

>� Quality/Innovation

>We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
>products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
>continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.
>

>� Morality

>We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
>has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
>strive to follow those morals.
>
>
>Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

Pete C.

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Jan 20, 2010, 5:56:16 PM1/20/10

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There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
religious types want to believe.

John R. Carroll

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Jan 20, 2010, 6:13:34 PM1/20/10

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Pete C. wrote:
> Wes wrote:
>>
>> "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since
>>> day one of production.
>>> They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well
>>> as private gun ownership...
>>>
>>> TRIJICON'S VALUES
>>>

>>> . Honesty/Integrity

>>> We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each
>>> other, our employees, our customers and our suppliers.
>>>

>>> . Teamwork/Dedication

>>> We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers,
>>> valuing the unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming
>>> solutions.
>>>

>>> . Customers

>>> We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will
>>> listen and continually improve our products to meet their needs.
>>>

>>> . Quality/Innovation

>>> We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes.
>>> Our products will be made to maximize durability and service life.
>>> We will continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative
>>> solutions.
>>>

>>> . Morality

>>> We believe that America is great when its people are good. This
>>> goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our
>>> history and we will strive to follow those morals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain
>>> about it.
>>
>> There are few atheists in a fox hole.
>
> There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
> religious types want to believe.

Yeah.
M'fing gook bastard was my "prayer" of choice and God didn't help them when
they let me up.
He didn't help me either. Mr. Mossberg, Senior Colt and the others were,
however, in evidence and the results spoke for themselves.
MacDonnel Douglass came in handy, courtesy of that crappy radio my RTO had.

I want an F-4 and an Intruder on my tombstone and I still have that goofy
battery powered thing that broadcast guard only.

--
John R. Carroll

John R. Carroll

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Jan 20, 2010, 6:14:06 PM1/20/10

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Wes wrote:
> "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
>> one of production.
>> They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well
>> as private gun ownership...
>>
>> TRIJICON'S VALUES
>>

>> . Honesty/Integrity

>> We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each
>> other, our employees, our customers and our suppliers.
>>

>> . Teamwork/Dedication

>> We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing
>> the unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming
>> solutions.
>>

>> . Customers

>> We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen
>> and continually improve our products to meet their needs.
>>

>> . Quality/Innovation

>> We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
>> products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We
>> will continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.
>>

>> . Morality

>> We believe that America is great when its people are good. This
>> goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our history
>> and we will strive to follow those morals.
>>
>>
>> Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about
>> it.
>
> There are few atheists in a fox hole.

How would you know that Wes?

--
John R. Carroll

Gunner Asch

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Jan 20, 2010, 6:53:16 PM1/20/10

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:56:16 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

But a hell of a lot less than the atheists think.

Gunner

The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
existence.
- It is NOT fiscally responsible.
- It is NOT ethically honorable.
- It has started wars based on lies.
- It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires.
- It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties.
- It has foisted a liar as president upon America.
- It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties.
- It has refused to enforce the national borders.

...It no longer has valid reasons to exist.
Lorad474

Message has been deleted

Hawke

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Jan 20, 2010, 8:34:32 PM1/20/10

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Wes wrote:
> "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
>> one of production.
>> They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
>> private gun ownership...
>>
>> TRIJICON'S VALUES
>>

>> ï¿½ Honesty/Integrity

>> We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
>> our employees, our customers and our suppliers.
>>

>> ï¿½ Teamwork/Dedication

>> We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
>> unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.
>>

>> ï¿½ Customers

>> We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
>> continually improve our products to meet their needs.
>>

>> ï¿½ Quality/Innovation

>> We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
>> products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
>> continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.
>>

>> ï¿½ Morality

>> We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
>> has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
>> strive to follow those morals.
>>
>>
>> Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.
>
> There are few atheists in a fox hole.

Oh, Please. Not that one again. If you are talking about a battle
between Christians and Muslims you're probably right. Both sides have
nothing but believers so of course there are no atheists. But the truth
is there have always been plenty of unbelievers and many of them have
wound up in foxholes. So the only validity of your statement has to do
with the proportion of atheists in society as a whole. The number given
these days usually is around 10% atheists so you would expect about the
same number to be in the military as well. So what is your claim
supposed to prove?

Hawke

pyotr filipivich

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Jan 20, 2010, 8:36:23 PM1/20/10

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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:53:16 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>>> >We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
>>> >has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
>>> >strive to follow those morals.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.
>>>
>>> There are few atheists in a fox hole.
>>
>>There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
>>religious types want to believe.
>
>
>But a hell of a lot less than the atheists think.

OTOH, while it may be true that there are no atheists in foxholes,
that does not mean they're all good "doctrinally sound" believers. B-)
But as Fr Nicolas said, on hearing that his fellow war vet had
left the church of his youth "Fine. Before God can lead into the
Truth, he must first lead you out of error."
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Hawke

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Jan 20, 2010, 8:44:51 PM1/20/10

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>>>> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
>>>> scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
>>>> passages from the Bible.
>>>>
>>>> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
>>>> the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent
>>>> reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
>>>> darkness, but will have the light of life."
>>>>
>>>> It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
>>>> the Middle East.
>>> Produce a credible CITE.
>>
>> A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I checked my
>> Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a long time, they
>> have been doing it for awhile.
>>
>>
>
> They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
> one of production.
> They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
> private gun ownership...

Gee, I wonder why Trijicon would be getting flak for putting bible
references on the sights it sends to the Middle East? Could it be that
the Muslims who see these bible quotes on the M16s of the invading
forces might think the conflict is one where the Christians are back on
another Crusade against their faith? They wouldn't pick up on the
Christians vs Muslims thing would they? I mean they aren't the kind of
people who would remember things from ancient times like the Crusades,
right? Seeing the quotes from the bible wouldn't have the effect of
making them more willing to fight the infidels now would it? You have to
be pretty thick not to see why it's not a good idea to make this a
religious war, and what Trijicon is doing is not helpful.

Hawke

Flash

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Jan 20, 2010, 11:38:08 PM1/20/10

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"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hj8avb$4ue$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> Wes wrote:
>> "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
>>> one of production.
>>> They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
>>> private gun ownership...
>>>
>>> TRIJICON'S VALUES
>>>

>>> � Honesty/Integrity

>>> We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
>>> our employees, our customers and our suppliers.
>>>

>>> � Teamwork/Dedication

>>> We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
>>> unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.
>>>

>>> � Customers

>>> We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
>>> continually improve our products to meet their needs.
>>>

>>> � Quality/Innovation

>>> We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
>>> products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
>>> continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.
>>>

>>> � Morality

>>> We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
>>> has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
>>> strive to follow those morals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.
>>
>> There are few atheists in a fox hole.
>
>
> Oh, Please. Not that one again. If you are talking about a battle between
> Christians and Muslims you're probably right. Both sides have nothing but
> believers so of course there are no atheists.

******************************************************************************************

>But the truth is there have always been plenty of unbelievers and many of
>them have wound up in foxholes.

Hawke, I had a long discussion with that with my uncle, a UCMC Gunny who had
done the entire Pacific Campaign in WWII, and who had just come back from
Korea in 1954, just before I joined the USAF.

He said (and I papraphrase here a bit) "...though atheists wound up IN
foxholes, by the time they got out of them, generally they no longer were
such..."

He also said that if you needed a blood transfusion, it didn't matter what
color skin it came out through or went in through. And it didn't matter who
was guarding the other side of that foxhole, as long as he was a Marine.
There was no other distinction.

Flash

*******************************************************************************************

Wes

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"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:

>> There are few atheists in a fox hole.
>
>How would you know that Wes?

You know darn well that I served in peace time. Obviously I was repeating a saying I have
heard.

Please explain why there is a Chaplain Corps in the various military services?

Cliff

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Jan 21, 2010, 6:38:22 AM1/21/10

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It's always much more credible then Faux.
And pretty well respected too, unlike Faux.
--
Cliff

tankfixer

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Jan 21, 2010, 10:12:41 AM1/21/10

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In article <22fgl59a1foj6hnf6...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

Now we know where your true allegiance is...

rangerssuck

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Jan 21, 2010, 10:55:07 AM1/21/10

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Do a little research before you go slinging shit, OK?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/01/marine_scope_tellus_020110/

John R. Carroll

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Wes wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>>> There are few atheists in a fox hole.
>>
>> How would you know that Wes?
>
>
> You know darn well that I served in peace time. Obviously I was
> repeating a saying I have heard.

Yeah.
I was just screwin' with you.
LOL

>
> Please explain why there is a Chaplain Corps in the various military
> services?

To keep an eye on them.

--
John R. Carroll

Cliff

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:17:25 AM1/23/10

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Truth rather than illiteracy & stupidity or your usual
flights of idiocy.

HTH
--
Cliff

Burled Frau

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Jan 23, 2010, 11:22:55 AM1/23/10

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"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message

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The liberals in America forgot that they were attacked by the Muslims on
9-11-01, so why should we believe that Muslims can remember ancient times? I
love my Trijicon sights, by the way.

tankfixer

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Jan 23, 2010, 12:24:45 PM1/23/10

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In article <5imll5dflbdq33gel...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

truth at aljazeera ?
You probably think Pravda prints the truth too

Monika Eggers

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Jan 23, 2010, 3:21:48 PM1/23/10

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Morton Davis schrieb:

> "Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
> news:rnebl5141j9co8rqt...@4ax.com...
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_firm_takes_flak_for_rifle_scopes_with_bible_verse.html
>> "Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
>> branded with Bible verses"
>>
>> [
>> .....
>> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
>> scopes
>> used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with passages
>> from the
>> Bible.
>> ....
>> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
>> the New
>> Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent reference
>> to
>> John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
>> but will
>> have the light of life."
>> ....
>> ]

> Produce a credible CITE.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Trijicon+bible+verse
yields
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80220-Trijicon-Users
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2319&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-rifles/story?id=9618791
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/trijicons-subtle-christian-messages/
http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=ksta/page&atype=ksArtikel&aid=1264168296594
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccdUn-bKNY

Or you can go directly to trijicon.com:
http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm , the most current news is
"Trijicon, Inc. Offers to Voluntarily Remove Scripture References on all
Products Destined for U.S. Military". The second-latest says "Trijicon
has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades".

Monika.

--
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infinitely more to the human race than to the particular country in
which he was born. - Francois Fenelon, theologian and writer (1651-1715)

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Gunner Asch

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Jan 23, 2010, 4:38:56 PM1/23/10

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:21:48 +0100, Monika Eggers
<monik...@expires-2009-12-31.arcornews.de> wrote:

Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it up..it
means what?

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

tankfixer

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Jan 23, 2010, 8:12:39 PM1/23/10

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In article <o2rml5pg0ak33bn8u...@4ax.com>,
gun...@lightspeed.net says...

More to the point why would athiests care ?

Burled Frau

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Jan 23, 2010, 8:39:49 PM1/23/10

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"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bad mojo for them :-)

RD (The Sandman)

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Jan 24, 2010, 2:56:56 PM1/24/10

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tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Proselytizing

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?

Burled Frau

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Jan 24, 2010, 3:26:00 PM1/24/10

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"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9D0A83B91...@216.196.97.130...

> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.25c53e5...@news.bytemine.net:
>

>>> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it up..it

>>> means what?
>>>
>>
>> More to the point why would athiests care ?
>>
>>
>
> Proselytizing

When atheists stop proselytizing, perhaps everyone else will too.

Gunner Asch

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Jan 24, 2010, 3:56:15 PM1/24/10

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How so?

Gunner

RD (The Sandman)

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Jan 24, 2010, 4:15:32 PM1/24/10

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"Burled Frau" <ach...@jawol.jah> wrote in news:4b5cacdf$1@news.x-
privat.org:

Excuse me, but it wasn't the athiests running Trijicon. It wasn't the
atheists placed the religious references on those sights. It was the
atheists who professed the concern over proselytizing.

The question asked was "...why would atheists care?" Someone (in this
case, me) gave an answer. That is how things work on usenet. ;)

RD (The Sandman)

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Jan 24, 2010, 4:35:17 PM1/24/10

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Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in
news:4vcpl5lost579dfh1...@4ax.com:

That is the concern of some. When those sights are furnished on guns
that will be used by Iraqis as they assume their role, it will be
considered by many to be pushing the Christian religion over Islam. That
being said, I doubt that the Iraqis will raise much fuss over the fact
that much of our currency contains the words "In God we trust" as it is
being used to assist their country.

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"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
news:Xns9D0A94661...@216.196.97.130:

Ya know, if you don't know the marks are there, or if you do how to tell what
they mean and have a Bible to look up the passages what exactly is the issue?

Shall we discard the best product for the job becuase the makers are
Christain?

I think some people just want to be offended so they can tell everyone how
"enlightened" they are.

--
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http://www.petitionproject.org/

What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response

Burled Frau

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"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:Xns9D0A910CE...@216.196.97.130...

> "Burled Frau" <ach...@jawol.jah> wrote in news:4b5cacdf$1@news.x-
> privat.org:
>
>>
>>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D0A83B91...@216.196.97.130...
>>> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:MPG.25c53e5...@news.bytemine.net:
>>>
>>
>>>>> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it
> up..it
>>>>> means what?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More to the point why would athiests care ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proselytizing
>>
>>
>> When atheists stop proselytizing, perhaps everyone else will too.
>
> Excuse me, but it wasn't the athiests running Trijicon. It wasn't the
> atheists placed the religious references on those sights. It was the
> atheists who professed the concern over proselytizing.
>
> The question asked was "...why would atheists care?" Someone (in this
> case, me) gave an answer. That is how things work on usenet. ;)

Blank sights would be proselytizing for atheists. My preference is for the
atheists to go find their own sights and leave the proven good sights with
the references alone.

Wes

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grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:

>Ya know, if you don't know the marks are there, or if you do how to tell what
>they mean and have a Bible to look up the passages what exactly is the issue?
>
>Shall we discard the best product for the job becuase the makers are
>Christain?
>
>I think some people just want to be offended so they can tell everyone how
>"enlightened" they are.

You have a point there.

I have an idea, Trijicon makes new ones, I'll gladly buy one of the old ones with the
Biblical markings. Win Win.

RD (The Sandman)

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tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.25c663ce125b5140e46
@news.bytemine.net:

I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.

RD (The Sandman)

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"Burled Frau" <ach...@jawol.jah> wrote in

news:4b5cd42b$1...@news.x-privat.org:

We don't all get our preferences.

RD (The Sandman)

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grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
news:Xns9D0AB0AA56AFFWe...@216.196.97.142:

>>>>>> >n- Us ers http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2319&page=2
>>>>>> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secre
>>>>>> >t- je sus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

Who knows..... I am not an atheist.....of course, I am not a Christian
either as I am agnostic.

> Shall we discard the best product for the job becuase the makers are
> Christain?

Nope and that isn't what was being asked for. It was simply to leave the
reference off.

> I think some people just want to be offended so they can tell everyone
> how "enlightened" they are.

Perhaps.....

RD (The Sandman)

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Jan 25, 2010, 5:15:24 PM1/25/10

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tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.25c6636...@news.bytemine.net:

> In article <Xns9D0A83B91...@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The
> Sandman)" says...
>>
>> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.25c53e5...@news.bytemine.net:
>>
>> > In article <o2rml5pg0ak33bn8u...@4ax.com>,
>> > gun...@lightspeed.net says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:21:48 +0100, Monika Eggers
>> >> <monik...@expires-2009-12-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Morton Davis schrieb:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>> >> >> message news:rnebl5141j9co8rqt...@4ax.com...
>> >> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_

>> >> >>> fir m_takes_flak_for_rifle_scopes_with_bible_verse.html

>> >> >>> "Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers'
>> >> >>> rifle scopes
>> >> >>> branded with Bible verses"
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> [
>> >> >>> .....
>> >> >>> A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding
>> >> >>> thousands of rifle scopes
>> >> >>> used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
>> >> >>> passages from the
>> >> >>> Bible.
>> >> >>> ....
>> >> >>> Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible
>> >> >>> passages from the New
>> >> >>> Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an
>> >> >>> apparent reference to
>> >> >>> John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
>> >> >>> darkness, but will
>> >> >>> have the light of life."
>> >> >>> ....
>> >> >>> ]
>> >> >
>> >> >> Produce a credible CITE.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.google.com/search?q=Trijicon+bible+verse
>> >> >yields

>> >> >http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80220-Trijicon
>> >> >-Us ers http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2319&page=2
>> >> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret
>> >> >-je sus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

>> >> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-rifles/story?id=9618791
>> >> >http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/trijicons-subtle-c
>> >> >hri stian-messages/
>> >> >http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=ksta/page&atyp

>> >> >e=k sArtikel&aid=1264168296594

>> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccdUn-bKNY
>> >> >
>> >> >Or you can go directly to trijicon.com:
>> >> >http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm , the most current news is
>> >> >"Trijicon, Inc. Offers to Voluntarily Remove Scripture References
>> >> >on all Products Destined for U.S. Military". The second-latest
>> >> >says "Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for
>> >> >more than two decades".
>> >> >
>> >> >Monika.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it
>> >> up..it means what?
>> >>
>> >
>> > More to the point why would athiests care ?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Proselytizing
>
> Were you even aware the citations were there ?
> I wasn't and we have a ton of ACOG's in various units.

I really don't give a damn if the markings are there or not. It isn't my
fight. I was just answering a question. ;)

> And since the army didn't order them with the inscriptions I don't se
> a violation of the 1st ammendment either...
>

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Gunner Asch

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:11:37 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:

>>
>
>I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
>where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
>local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.

You do comprehend that those sights are being used in a land where they
are trying to kill the carriers, because they are not Muslim....right?

And you think the hidden title will somehow make them hate us even more?

Gnner

rangerssuck

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On Jan 25, 5:47 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:11:37 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
> >where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
> >local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.
>
> You do comprehend that those sights are being used in a land where they
> are trying to kill the carriers, because they are not Muslim....right?
>
> And you think the hidden title will somehow make them hate us even more?
>
> Gnner

You do comprehend, don't you, that the native people of that land ARE
Muslim, don't you? And you do comprehend, don't you, that the sights
are on weapons whose sole purpose is killing people.

<sarcasm> Onward Christian Soldiers! </sarcasm>

Burled Frau

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robert bowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in news:7s8dcjFvfdU1
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Umm, are you people really this historically challenged?

Soldiers have been painting slogans on thier shields, swords, muskets, half
tracks, trucks, wagons, tanks, aircraft, bombs, torpedoes, rockets, missiles,
artillery shells, machine guns, helmets, etc as long as there have been
soldiers.

Get a grip people.

RBnDFW

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or "Jesus is watching you"

Gunner Asch

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Jan 26, 2010, 11:37:34 AM1/26/10

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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:01:47 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
(Gray Ghost) wrote:

>robert bowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in news:7s8dcjFvfdU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
>>
>>> For all the "Christian proselytizing" crap, it's ironic that JEWISH
>>> Israel uses the Trijicon ACOG scopes heavily in their military - and
>>> isn't bothered by it.
>>
>> iirc, there were photos of Israeli schoolkids painting religious and other
>> slogans on missiles that were Lebanon bound. Maybe painting 'Jesus loves
>> you' on the drones would be a good idea.
>>
>>
>
>Umm, are you people really this historically challenged?
>
>Soldiers have been painting slogans on thier shields, swords, muskets, half
>tracks, trucks, wagons, tanks, aircraft, bombs, torpedoes, rockets, missiles,
>artillery shells, machine guns, helmets, etc as long as there have been
>soldiers.
>
>Get a grip people.

Indeed. Ive got a 98k Mauser with Gott Mit Uns scratched into the stock.
Most probably by the original "owner"..

Gunner

RD (The Sandman)

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Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in

news:vp7sl5drur8foegb2...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:11:37 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
>>where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
>>local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.
>
>
> You do comprehend that those sights are being used in a land where they
> are trying to kill the carriers, because they are not Muslim....right?

Yep, what makes you think I don't...

> And you think the hidden title will somehow make them hate us even more?

Where did I say that? If you had followed the thread, you would have seen
that is what I said those protesting were afraid of. I havenot expressed
my own opinion on the inscriptions other than to say that I doubted that
there were many complaints from the Iraqis on the fact some US currency has
"In God We Trust" on it when we give it to them.

Why do you, Editor and Curly all try to claim I have thought something I
haven't? ;)

RD (The Sandman)

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tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Of course. The whole complaint is political.

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In article <Xns9D0C65142...@216.196.97.130>, "RD (The

Yup.
And Dear Leader caved...

Burled Frau

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"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:47:27 -0800, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:11:37 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
><rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>I don't think it was the sentiment that was complained about.....it was
>>where it was located in a situation where we are trying to convince the
>>local populace we are not trying to drive them into Christianity.
>
>
>You do comprehend that those sights are being used in a land where they
>are trying to kill the carriers, because they are not Muslim....right?

Where everybody was welcome before, right?

IOW You are lying again.

>And you think the hidden title will somehow make them hate us even more?

You can only hope, right?

>Gnner

You stutter. Another stroke?
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Cliff

Cliff

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Feb 2, 2010, 5:32:10 AM2/2/10

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That would be a sin, right?

>won't change that.

Find those "WMDs" yet?

>The jihadists will make up new claims, perhaps claim the part number is
>code for some piece of scripture..

But wingers would lie anyway, right?
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Cliff

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:21:58 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray
Ghost) wrote:

>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in

>news:Xns9D0A94661...@216.196.97.130:

>
>> Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in

>> news:4vcpl5lost579dfh1...@4ax.com:

>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:56:56 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:MPG.25c53e5...@news.bytemine.net:
>>>>

>>>>> In article <o2rml5pg0ak33bn8u...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> gun...@lightspeed.net says...
>>>>>>

>>>>>> >http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?80220-Trijicon-
>>>>>> >Us ers http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2319&page=2
>>>>>> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-
>>>>>> >je sus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
>>>>>> >http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-rifles/story?id=9618791
>>>>>> >http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/trijicons-subtle-
>>>>>> >chri stian-messages/ http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?
>> pagename=ksta/page&atype=k
>>>>>> >sArtikel&aid=1264168296594

>>>>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccdUn-bKNY
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Or you can go directly to trijicon.com:
>>>>>> >http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm , the most current news is
>>>>>> >"Trijicon, Inc. Offers to Voluntarily Remove Scripture References
>>>>>> >on all Products Destined for U.S. Military". The second-latest
>>>>>> >says "Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for
>>>>>> >more than two decades".
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Monika.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes..and unless you actually own a bible and bother looking it
>>>>>> up..it means what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More to the point why would athiests care ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Proselytizing
>>>
>>>

>>> How so?
>>
>> That is the concern of some. When those sights are furnished on guns
>> that will be used by Iraqis as they assume their role, it will be
>> considered by many to be pushing the Christian religion over Islam. That
>> being said, I doubt that the Iraqis will raise much fuss over the fact
>> that much of our currency contains the words "In God we trust" as it is
>> being used to assist their country.
>>
>>
>
>Ya know, if you don't know the marks are there, or if you do how to tell what
>they mean and have a Bible to look up the passages what exactly is the issue?
>

>Shall we discard the best product for the job becuase the makers are
>Christain?

Are they?
Seems more like Voodoo ....

>
>I think some people just want to be offended so they can tell everyone how
>"enlightened" they are.

Like you?
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Cliff

Cliff

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:02:55 -0800, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Were you even aware the citations were there ?
>I wasn't and we have a ton of ACOG's in various units.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0122/Trijicon-sights-How-the-Jesus-gun-misfired
"How the �Jesus gun� misfired"
[
Biblical references on rifle sights have been an open secret among soldiers. But
it�s become an embarrassment for the Pentagon, causing Michigan gunmaker
Trijicon to send �removal kits.�

A Michigan manufacturer criticized for putting biblical citations on gunsights
sold to the US military vows to end the practice. It has sent 100 �removal kits�
that soldiers can use to scrape off words that critics say promote the idea of a
Christian crusade in the Middle East.

The revelations, first reported by ABC News, caused embarrassment and
consternation within the Pentagon after religious groups � including the
Interfaith Alliance � complained that it violated an Army rule against
proselytizing.
...
]

>And since the army didn't order them with the inscriptions I don't se a
>violation of the 1st ammendment either...

Show us the Mil Spec for bible (which bible?) verses.

AFAIK Not even the NRA stoops that low.

http://media.www.the-telescope.com/media/storage/paper749/news/2010/02/01/Opinion/What-Would.Jesus.Shoot-3861810.shtml
"What would Jesus shoot?"
"Despite Trijicon's emphatic defense, this is a classic case of violating the
separation of church and the state, and the "establishment clause" of the First
Amendment. "
"What's next, will they start sticking "Thou shall not kill" on other weapon
accessories?"
--
Cliff

tankfixer

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Feb 2, 2010, 9:20:50 PM2/2/10

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In article <j4vfm554108sj55ah...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

What part of the government didn't direct the citation be placed there.

> Why do you so hate the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights?

Why are you so flaming stupid ?

>
> I demand that all such be recalled.

Demand all you like, they are no more defective than you are

tankfixer

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Feb 2, 2010, 9:23:05 PM2/2/10

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In article <vbvfm5lq0s7v75osp...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

No evidence that taxpayer dollars were used to inscribe the references.
The manufacture did so on all of thta item they produce no mater who the
buyer was.

> Why? Who gave you the right to do this?

Go bail your straw

tankfixer

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Feb 2, 2010, 9:24:32 PM2/2/10

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In article <amvfm5hp9a50ha0iu...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

No, just s silly waste of time.

> >won't change that.
>
> Find those "WMDs" yet?

Yup

>
> >The jihadists will make up new claims, perhaps claim the part number is
> >code for some piece of scripture..
>
> But wingers would lie anyway, right?

You always do

tankfixer

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Feb 2, 2010, 9:27:45 PM2/2/10

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In article <qo0gm5t1t1476uv9a...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

>
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:02:55 -0800, tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Were you even aware the citations were there ?
> >I wasn't and we have a ton of ACOG's in various units.
>
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0122/Trijicon-sights-How-the-Jesus-gun-misfired

> "How the ?Jesus gun? misfired"

> [
> Biblical references on rifle sights have been an open secret among soldiers. But

> it?s become an embarrassment for the Pentagon, causing Michigan gunmaker
> Trijicon to send ?removal kits.?

>
> A Michigan manufacturer criticized for putting biblical citations on gunsights

> sold to the US military vows to end the practice. It has sent 100 ?removal kits?

> that soldiers can use to scrape off words that critics say promote the idea of a
> Christian crusade in the Middle East.
>
> The revelations, first reported by ABC News, caused embarrassment and

> consternation within the Pentagon after religious groups ? including the
> Interfaith Alliance ? complained that it violated an Army rule against

> proselytizing.
> ...
> ]
>
>
> >And since the army didn't order them with the inscriptions I don't se a
> >violation of the 1st ammendment either...
>
> Show us the Mil Spec for bible (which bible?) verses.

You really are a fool..
I said they army didn't spec them to be inscribed, the manufacture did
so on all of that product.

>
> AFAIK Not even the NRA stoops that low.
>
>
> http://media.www.the-telescope.com/media/storage/paper749/news/2010/02/01/Opinion/What-Would.Jesus.Shoot-3861810.shtml
> "What would Jesus shoot?"
> "Despite Trijicon's emphatic defense, this is a classic case of violating the
> separation of church and the state, and the "establishment clause" of the First
> Amendment. "
> "What's next, will they start sticking "Thou shall not kill" on other weapon
> accessories?"

HOME > OPINION
Issue Date: 2/1/10
What would Jesus shoot?

His opinion, as useful as any other persons..

Conan the Barabarian

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Feb 3, 2010, 12:10:08 AM2/3/10

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Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:j4vfm554108sj55ah...@4ax.com:

Religious fundamentalists got it put on our money.

tankfixer

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In article <4b6ae975$0$22817$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com says...

The iron sights are still there..

tankfixer

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In article <hkfbd0$4dc$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, si...@belsouth.net
says...

If it bothers you so much then send your money to me.

Gray Ghost

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"Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in news:hkfbd0$4dc$1...@news.eternal-
september.org:

Then i expect you to forgo all US money or be a hypocrite.

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And Janet Napolitano nervous.

Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?

Cliff

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Feb 5, 2010, 5:13:35 AM2/5/10

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Show us the Mil Spec calling for it.

>
>> Why do you so hate the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights?
>
>Why are you so flaming stupid ?

Why do you so hate the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights?

>> I demand that all such be recalled.
>
>Demand all you like, they are no more defective than you are

Do they meet the Mil Spec for bible verses?

"Thou shalt not kill."

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Feb 5, 2010, 9:56:53 AM2/5/10

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In article <59rnm5pdl0ghbqg7f...@4ax.com>,
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...

Are you dense ?
Or just stupid ?
There is no milspec requiring it. Just as there is no spec requiring a
company put their name on an item.

This might be a schok to you but the military does buy things that are
COTS to fill equipment required by MTOE.

>
> >
> >> Why do you so hate the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights?
> >
> >Why are you so flaming stupid ?
>
> Why do you so hate the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights?

You have no proof that statemnet is remotely true.

>
> >> I demand that all such be recalled.
> >
> >Demand all you like, they are no more defective than you are
>
> Do they meet the Mil Spec for bible verses?
>
> "Thou shalt not kill."
>
> "Neither shall you commit adultery." -- rethugs are not xtians.
>
> "Neither shall you steal."
> "Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor."
> "Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife."
> "Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, or field, or male or female
> slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
>
> Find those "WMDs" yet?

Yup, your just stupid.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Feb 5, 2010, 10:12:20 AM2/5/10

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The *GOVERNMENT OWNS BUILDINGS WITH VERSES ON THEM* ....THE GOVERNMENT
HAS *BOOKS AND DOCUMENTS* WITH VERSES ON THEM.

OH my What will we do???????????????????

Sid9

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Feb 5, 2010, 10:28:34 AM2/5/10

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"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
message news:4b6c33c8$0$22838$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...

.
.
Get rid of the religious crap on government buildings.

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Feb 5, 2010, 10:37:39 AM2/5/10

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Sell them or destroy the art and verses, maybe we should burn the books
too....

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Feb 5, 2010, 12:03:15 PM2/5/10

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Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
of pure thought with
news:krrnm552ca5581rpk...@4ax.com:

WHERE CAN I GET MY JESUS RIFLE!??!?!

It'll go quite nicely next to my zombie rifle...

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Feb 5, 2010, 1:08:49 PM2/5/10

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grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
news:Xns9D161140DBF43We...@216.196.97.142:

> "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in news:hkfbd0$4dc$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>>
>> "RM v2.0" <Bl...@spamsux.com> wrote in message
>> news:%RFan.218618$IU1.2...@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hkd1v4$sn3$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "RM v2.0" <Bl...@spamsux.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ohnan.219326$FK3....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALL of these gods now demand their own verses too !!!
>>>>>>> http://www.godfinder.org/
>>>>>>> Plus all the rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What part of separation of churchs & state was unclear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is that in the Constitution? Putting verses on a scope is
>>>>> not passing a law.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> The government owns those rifles and issued them to our soldiers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, where is a law being passed? Govt prints and hands out money
>>> too.
>>>
>> .
>> .
>> The Christian slogan "In God we trust" doesn't belong there either.
>>
>> Religious fundamentalists got it put on our money.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then i expect you to forgo all US money or be a hypocrite.
>

In God We Trust is not on all US money but I admit it is on enough to be
well worth while. ;)

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Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?

Curly Surmudgeon

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Feb 5, 2010, 1:44:57 PM2/5/10

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That's the right choice but a further waste of money. Let's just stop
putting superstition on buildings and money in the future.

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