Re: More climate change.
cavelamb
> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-gore-intelligent-technology-sutton.html
Global warming again?
It SHOWED in Houston yesterday!
F. George McDuffee
<cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Simon Jester wrote:
>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-gore-intelligent-technology-sutton.html
>------
>Global warming again?
>
>It SHOWED in Houston yesterday!
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This looks like a good place to ask the question.
Why are the politicians so concerned about a climate change which
may or may not be caused by human activity, indeed which may not
be real, but oblivious to the recurring
recessions/depressions/booms/busts/bubbles that are [the result
of] human activity and the cause of considerable misery, even
wars and genocides?
It would appear that the expenditure on the regulation of
financial institutions and enforcement of existing financial
legislation of even one-tenth the amount spent [and to be] spent
on "global warming" would generate far more savings and
improvements in the "quality of life" for the general public.
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
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He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?
Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
Ed Huntress
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"HOUSTON TIED 1980 FOR ITS WARMEST SUMMER (JUNE THROUGH AUGUST) IN RECORDED
HISTORY."
Updates to come. <g>
You should be glad for some cool weather. Given the projection, you'll be
frying steaks on the sidewalk in another couple of summers.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hgx/climate/reviews/090309pns.txt
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cavelamb
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:26:59 -0600, cavelamb
> <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Simon Jester wrote:
>>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-gore-intelligent-technology-sutton.html
>> ------
>> Global warming again?
>>
>> It SHOWED in Houston yesterday!
It SNOWED in Houston yesterday... :)
> ==========
> This looks like a good place to ask the question.
>
> Why are the politicians so concerned about a climate change which
> may or may not be caused by human activity, indeed which may not
> be real, but oblivious to the recurring
> recessions/depressions/booms/busts/bubbles that are [the result
> of] human activity and the cause of considerable misery, even
> wars and genocides?
>
> It would appear that the expenditure on the regulation of
> financial institutions and enforcement of existing financial
> legislation of even one-tenth the amount spent [and to be] spent
> on "global warming" would generate far more savings and
> improvements in the "quality of life" for the general public.
>
>
> Unka' George [George McDuffee]
I dunno, Unk.
I really and truly doubt there is any interest in saving anything.
More likely it's about about spending and controlling who does the
spending (and takes the profit).
cavelamb
SNOW, in Houston, is not normal weather patterns, Ed.
Ed Huntress
Neither was your summer. It tied for the hottest in recorded history.
So, it's getting violent down there, up and down. As for the average
temperature, it may not matter in the end. What may matter most is that you
live in a place with a climate that's similar to that of the planet Venus.
d8-)
Watch for the sulfur dioxide. It'll gitcha.
(It was around 70 deg F in NJ last week. Last night, it snowed. I'm
expecting that it will rain locusts soon.)
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:26:59 -0600, cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-gore-intelligent-technology-sutton.html
>>------
>>Global warming again?
>>
>>It SHOWED in Houston yesterday!
> ==========
> This looks like a good place to ask the question.
>
> Why are the politicians so concerned about a climate change which may or
> may not be caused by human activity, indeed which may not be real, but
> oblivious to the recurring recessions/depressions/booms/busts/bubbles that
> are [the result of] human activity and the cause of considerable misery,
> even wars and genocides?
I've heard that Osama^H^H^H^Hbama is a puppet of the One World Government
crowd.
He's clearly doing more damage to America (as did his predecessor,
Cheney/Bush) than any number of "terrorists" could even dream of doing.
Thanks,
Rich
Rich Grise
>
> So, it's getting violent down there, up and down. As for the average
> temperature, it may not matter in the end. What may matter most is that
> you live in a place with a climate that's similar to that of the planet
> Venus. d8-)
What an idiot.
Venus has so much CO2 (as well as H2SO4, etc.), that the atmospheric
pressure at the surface is approx. 90 atmospheres.
But as I've said, faith is impervious to facts.
Thamks,
Rich
Ed Huntress
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Rich, you are a hopelessly humorless golem. d8-)
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Rich Grise
> "Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> So, it's getting violent down there, up and down. As for the average
>>> temperature, it may not matter in the end. What may matter most is that
>>> you live in a place with a climate that's similar to that of the planet
>>> Venus. d8-)
>>
>> What an idiot.
>>
>> Venus has so much CO2 (as well as H2SO4, etc.), that the atmospheric
>> pressure at the surface is approx. 90 atmospheres.
>>
>> But as I've said, faith is impervious to facts.
>
It's not too humourous when you consider that the warmingists want to tax
us back to the stone age.
Thanks,
Rich
Ed Huntress
Well, I don't want to tax anyone. And I was just joking about Venus. I've
been in Houston in the summertime, but I'll never do it again on purpose.
d8-)
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Mark Rand
If you're too stupid to stop fucking my planet without financial incentives,
then you're in for a lot of taxation :-|
Mark Rand
RTFM
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Stormin Mormon
But I can easily believe this. I do remember spray cans were
supposed to kill us all due to global cooling. And I do
believe the climate change predictions do a couple things.
Make people feel more powerful "we can change the world's
climate" and give more power. Now, we can legislate all kind
of things that people would otherwise not allow government
to control.
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I've heard that Osama^H^H^H^Hbama is a puppet of the One
anorton
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> I've never attended any of the global governance meetings.
> But I can easily believe this. I do remember spray cans were
> supposed to kill us all due to global cooling. And I do
> believe the climate change predictions do a couple things.
> Make people feel more powerful "we can change the world's
> climate" and give more power. Now, we can legislate all kind
> of things that people would otherwise not allow government
> to control.
>
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The issue with spray cans was the ozone layer not (mainly) global warming.
Now that chlorofluorocarbons have been largely eliminated, the ozone hole
has stopped growing. Due to the long lifetimes of these chemicals, the
computer models predict the hole will not start to shrink untill 2020.
Hawke
My thoughts exactly. The guy is too dumb to know a joke when he hears
one. I've seen this kind of thing many times in the past and it's always
from dummies. Somebody says something meant as a joke and the dummy
either is confused or thinks he's being insulted. He NEVER understands
it was meant to be funny. It also true that the lack of a sense of humor
goes hand in hand with conservatism.
Hawke
Stormin Mormon
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Stormin Mormon
of humor.
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Ed Huntress
In fairness, it's hard to tell when someone is joking online. Particularly
me. d8-)
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anorton
>I believe spraycans affect the ozone hole like I believe
> holding my mouth just right affects how a bowling ball goes
> down the lane.
>
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Normally I only respond to these OT posts when I see the facts being
mangled, and I ignore pure opinions like yours above, but I think this gets
to the root of the problem of scientific policy debate.
A few hours ago you had no idea spray cans were even implicated in causing
the ozone hole! Now you express an adamant opinion you expect other people
to care about! You have no clue about the issues or the science! You just
see the debate as Us VS Them. You take the side that your camp is supposed
to take and you express it loudly, not because you know what you are talking
about, but simply to show you belong solidly in that camp.
I know I am not going to convert you, but I think it is useful to point out
to others reading this what it really boils down to since you are --by far--
not the only one who does this.
Hawke
> Normally I only respond to these OT posts when I see the facts being
> mangled, and I ignore pure opinions like yours above, but I think this gets
> to the root of the problem of scientific policy debate.
>
> A few hours ago you had no idea spray cans were even implicated in causing
> the ozone hole! Now you express an adamant opinion you expect other people
> to care about! You have no clue about the issues or the science! You just
> see the debate as Us VS Them. You take the side that your camp is supposed
> to take and you express it loudly, not because you know what you are talking
> about, but simply to show you belong solidly in that camp.
>
> I know I am not going to convert you, but I think it is useful to point out
> to others reading this what it really boils down to since you are --by far--
> not the only one who does this.
>
>
What you just described is a run of the mill right winger or a
conservative. Kudos to your getting it just right. These guys are
basically nothing but tribalists. They think their side is always right
and always back up whatever the leaders of their side say. That's one
thing you didn't specifically mention. They don't think for themselves.
So they have leaders who give them the talking points and make the
arguments for them that they vociferously express. Unfortunately the
people they listen to are not experts on anything but are themselves
simply ordinary and often uneducated folk. Which is why their arguments
are so simple. The leaders themselves don't understand complex issues
and see everything as either black or white. They take a position,
almost always whatever the business community believes, and accept it as
gospel. Then they send it down the line to the people like the poster
you so aptly described. It's all so predictable. At this point they are
pretty much just a joke. No one takes anything they say seriously.
Hawke
Hawke
> Hmm. I've found political conservatives to have good senses
> of humor.
>
Not me. Mainly because they are more mean than anything else.
Hawke
Hawke
I'll agree with you there. For you it's editing, yes, jokes, nyet.
Seriously though, one of the hardest things there is to do is write
something that is funny. It's so easy to misunderstand that the writer
is trying to convey humor. Which is why my hat's off to anyone that can
write things that can make a reader laugh. Comedy of any kind is hard
enough but writing so people get the joke is especially difficult. I'm
afraid it isn't a skill that I have in much supply either.
Hawke
Stormin Mormon
Most conservatives I've met are reasonably educated and
thoughtful.
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Stormin Mormon
is:
* Spraycans were implicated in destroying the ozone layer,
not the ozone hole.
* That was back in the 1970s, and I lived through that era.
And remember the concerns.
* You have no way to know if I expect others to belive me.
* And, ending a sentance with an exclaimation point only
makes you look excited, it doesn't further your case.
I reply only to point out to others that you are both
sterotyping me, and quite mistaken.
Have a nice day.
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Stormin Mormon
believe me? try parking two cars. One with a "Rush is right"
bumper sticker, and a "Hillary 2008" bumper sticker. The
Rush car gets vandalized.
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rangerssuck
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
And don't forget that Mr. Chris Stormin' Mormon Young, the non-
believer in science, is also a proselytizer for Jesus.
Typical winger. Can't believe the stuff right in front of his face,
but thinks the world would be a better place if everyone just blindly
believed his ghost stories.
anorton
> And my reply is to illustrate what kind of poster Mr. Norton
> is:
>
> * Spraycans were implicated in destroying the ozone layer,
> not the ozone hole.
Huh? I can not tell from this if you do not understand the ozone hole is the
result of the ozone layer destruction, or if you mistakenly thought I wrote,
"..spraycans were implicated in destroying the ozone hole." That WOULD have
been a humorous gaffe. I actually wrote, " A few hours ago you had no idea
spray cans were even implicated in causing the ozone hole!"
> * That was back in the 1970s, and I lived through that era.
> And remember the concerns.
Yet you were confused about the issue in your first post.
> * You have no way to know if I expect others to belive me.
Sooo ... that means either: 1) you never expect anyone to believe you, or 2)
you sometimes do not expect others to believe you (as in a joke perhaps),
but we are not supposed to know when that is.
> * And, ending a sentance with an exclaimation point only
> makes you look excited, it doesn't further your case.
That is true. It was simply an expression of incredulous exasperation.
> I reply only to point out to others that you are both
> sterotyping me, and quite mistaken.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
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