Blocking newsgroups?
Louis Ohland
NGs (like cnc, survivalism, machines...)
I don't see anything in the filters menu to block newsgroups. Are
there add-ins?
Pete Snell
Look under the 'tools' menu drop down, and select 'message filters',
or go to the 'message' drop down, and select 'create filter from message'
Pete
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cavelamb
> Louis Ohland wrote:
>> I'd like to set up a filter under Thunderbird to block a number of
>> NGs (like cnc, survivalism, machines...)
>>
>> I don't see anything in the filters menu to block newsgroups. Are
>> there add-ins?
>
> Look under the 'tools' menu drop down, and select 'message filters',
> or go to the 'message' drop down, and select 'create filter from message'
>
> Pete
>
That works for people, but not for cross posted newsgroups.
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Steve W.
I assume you mean you want to filter out the times that someone
crossposts to multiple groups?
Try this:
Tools,
Message Filters,
New Filter,
Now create a filter with
From - Contains - fill in the newsgroup name.
Delete message -
Should delete any message containing the newsgroup name.
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Steve W.
Louis Ohland
> I assume you mean you want to filter out the times that someone
> crossposts to multiple groups?
>
> Try this:
>
> Tools,
> Message Filters,
> New Filter,
>
> Now create a filter with
> From - Contains - fill in the newsgroup name.
> Delete message -
>
> Should delete any message containing the newsgroup name.
>
Well, I have two groups in. The correct setting for Apply Filter is
check on mail and manually run?
Louis Ohland
Nope. "From" is not "newsgroups". While the Bible is the inspired word
of God, the xposters using it probably aren't.
Louis Ohland
Filtering based on Tags
Thunderbird doesn't have explicit support for filtering by tags but you
can select Custom Headers from the leftmost list box while editing the
filter rule and add support for X-Mozilla-Keys, and then test whether it
"contains" that tag. Thunderbird uses that header to store tags. For
example, X-Mozilla-Keys: forum fyi indicates the message has the forum
and fyi tags.
IMAP accounts store tags using message attributes instead, so its not
possible to do that with messages stored in remote folders. If you copy
the message to a local folder it currently doesn't add a X-Mozilla-Keys
header with the tags, though it will add a empty X-Mozilla-Keys header
when you compact it. [2]
Pete Snell
> Pete Snell wrote:
>>>
>> Look under the 'tools' menu drop down, and select 'message filters',
>> or go to the 'message' drop down, and select 'create filter from message'
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> That works for people, but not for cross posted newsgroups.
Hmmmmm, I was sure there was a 'Custom' option, but it seems to be
limited to Date, Subject, and From. It's also alluded to in the FAQ that
Louis posted. I'm not sure if they have changed features, or if there
is a setting requirement that I don't know about.
Curious.
Pete
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Pete Snell
> Pete Snell wrote:
>> Look under the 'tools' menu drop down, and select 'message filters',
>> or go to the 'message' drop down, and select 'create filter from message'
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> That works for people, but not for cross posted newsgroups.
>
AHa! The functionality is broader for email than it is for
newsgroups. (many more choices for filter elements, and the ability for
custom filters) Surely there must be a way to add elements available in
email to the newsgroup filters.
Pete
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Pete Snell
If you are in the 'email' portion for Thunderbird, go to 'Tools' and
'Message Filters'. At the top of the 'Message Filters' window that
opens, there is a dropdown labeled 'Filters for' and some choices. For
me that includes my newsgroup category and subcategories for each usenet
group you are subscribed to.
This worked for me. Hopefully your settings are similar.
Pete
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cavelamb
> Got it.
>
> If you are in the 'email' portion for Thunderbird, go to 'Tools' and
> 'Message Filters'. At the top of the 'Message Filters' window that
> opens, there is a dropdown labeled 'Filters for' and some choices. For
> me that includes my newsgroup category and subcategories for each usenet
> group you are subscribed to.
>
> This worked for me. Hopefully your settings are similar.
>
> Pete
>
I was hopeful that yuo had found something new, Pete.
But it still only offers date, sender, subject...
I've been doing it manually.
If crossposted to ANY alt. just press "K", and the whole thread
magically disappears!
cavelamb
OOooo...
Way mo betta
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
http://www.nfilter.org/
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Robert Nichols
Louis Ohland <ohl...@charter.net> wrote:
: I'd like to set up a filter under Thunderbird to block a number of
:
: I don't see anything in the filters menu to block newsgroups. Are
:there add-ins?
It can be done in Thunderbird 3.0. The default list of headers for
Thunderbird's filter rules is short, but version 3.0 includes the
"Customize..." item for news filters (2.0 has that only for mail),
allowing you to add any header. Now, you do _not_ want to use the
obvious "Newsgroups" header. The technical problem with that is that
the Newsgroups header is not included in the overview data that gets
downloaded in bulk when you enter a group. If you try to filter on that
header, Thunderbird has to fetch it from the server individually for
every new article in the group, and that's expensive both in time and in
load on the server. What _is_ usually included in the overview data is
the similar "Xref" header, which is formatted like this:
Xref: some_server.com alt.machines.cnc:207400 talk.politics.guns:13946 rec.crafts.metalworking:685592
The "some_server.com" will be the server you got the article from. The
remainder of the line is a list of newsgroups and article numbers. You
can match on that text any way you like.
If you're wondering why the Xref header is in the overview data instead
of the more widely known Newsgroups header, it's because the Xref data
is needed to mark crossposts "read" in all groups when you read an
article in just one. The Newsgroups header lacks the article numbers
needed to do that.
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Robert Swinney
Wouldn't just not subscribing do the same?
Bob Swinney
"Louis Ohland" <ohl...@charter.net> wrote in message news:74wjn.26461$Dv7....@newsfe17.iad...
Doug Miller
>Louis,
>
>Wouldn't just not subscribing do the same?
Not if what he wants to filter are crossposts involving, for example, this
group and misc.survivalism .
Robert Swinney
Bob Swinney
"Doug Miller" <spam...@milmac.com> wrote in message news:hmob9k$ncc$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
Steve Ackman
> In article <74wjn.26461$Dv7....@newsfe17.iad>,
> Louis Ohland <ohl...@charter.net> wrote:
>: I'd like to set up a filter under Thunderbird to block a number of
>:NGs (like cnc, survivalism, machines...)
>:
>: I don't see anything in the filters menu to block newsgroups. Are
>:there add-ins?
>
> It can be done in Thunderbird 3.0. The default list of headers for
> Thunderbird's filter rules is short, but version 3.0 includes the
> "Customize..." item for news filters (2.0 has that only for mail),
> allowing you to add any header.
2.x has that as well, but it often(?) doesn't come
that way. You have to enable it.
In Icedove 2.0.0.22 I now have 12 headers to filter
on, plus the Customize option you see in 3.x.
(Icedove ≅ Thunderbird)
I had to enable that by
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Config Editor
set mailnews.customHeaders to true
(Win T'bird users have to get there via Tools, AIUI)
Over on the FreeBSD machine, Seamonkey 2.0.3
(≅ T'bird + Firefox) builds defaultly with
mailnews.customHeaders enabled.
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"Robert Swinney" <jud...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EsSdnf9YYO_7WBLW...@giganews.com...
a "me too" post. i'd *love* to be able to block misc.survivalism. cross
posts from misc.survivalism are like driving past a car accident, i can't
help but look, or at least take a peek, that's where/when i get into
trouble. i said in a previous post i'd MUCH rather not post off topic
stuff, but some of the stuff i see coming in through misc.survivalism PISSES
me off so much i can't resist putting in my two cents. would be so much
easier if i just could simply not see it at all. and then after
misc.survivalism, all the other groups, guns, limbaugh, politics, etc. i
tried and tried to figure out how to block misc.survivalism, couldn't figure
out a way to do it. i posted this question to a outlook express newsgroup,
there was no answer, i assume it's not possible. i don't want to have to
screw around downloading and using (let alone pay for) another newsreader.
b.w.
Doug Miller
>a "me too" post. i'd *love* to be able to block misc.survivalism. cross
>posts from misc.survivalism are like driving past a car accident, i can't
>help but look, or at least take a peek, that's where/when i get into
>trouble. i said in a previous post i'd MUCH rather not post off topic
>stuff, but some of the stuff i see coming in through misc.survivalism PISSES
>me off so much i can't resist putting in my two cents. would be so much
>easier if i just could simply not see it at all. and then after
>misc.survivalism, all the other groups, guns, limbaugh, politics, etc. i
>tried and tried to figure out how to block misc.survivalism, couldn't figure
>out a way to do it. i posted this question to a outlook express newsgroup,
>there was no answer, i assume it's not possible. i don't want to have to
>screw around downloading and using (let alone pay for) another newsreader.
It's certainly possible, and there's no need to pay for another newsreader.
You really should be using another newsreader, since OE is a POS, but there
are plenty of good ones available free.
Anyway, here's how it's possible:
http://www.nfilter.org
Post here, or email me privately /doug at milmac dot com/ if you need help
setting it up.
BQ340
That sure quieted things down, thanks! Not exactly straightforward but I
got it to work. I was filtering on email addresses, but the x-posting
crap is what is out of control here.
MikeB
RoyJ
to the 'custom' dialog box, put 'X-Mozilla-Keys' in the first column
(the what column), 'contains in the second , 'alt.usenet.kooks' in the
third, nothing much happens.
BQ340
> Got a little more detail on exactly what entry goes in which box? I get
> to the 'custom' dialog box, put 'X-Mozilla-Keys' in the first column
> (the what column), 'contains in the second , 'alt.usenet.kooks' in the
> third, nothing much happens.
>
I put "Newsgroups" in the box that pops up when you click on "custom" (&
then clicked on "add").
Then I had to close & reopen the filters tab.
That made "Newsgroups" appear as an option. The next box set to
"contains" & the 3rd box I put misc.survivalism & chose Delete Message
at the bottom.
MikeB
Pete Snell
Steve Ackman wrote:
>
> 2.x has that as well, but it often(?) doesn't come
> that way. You have to enable it.
>
> In Icedove 2.0.0.22 I now have 12 headers to filter
> on, plus the Customize option you see in 3.x.
> (Icedove ≅ Thunderbird)
>
> I had to enable that by
> Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Config Editor
> set mailnews.customHeaders to true
> (Win T'bird users have to get there via Tools, AIUI)
So Tools-> Options-> Config Editor? (Tbird version 2.0.0.23)
What I get here is a list of functions and settings, but my
mailnews.customHeaders is at default status, and is a string function
and the 'value' is blank.
Is that right? Or do I have to modify/create something? Seems like it
should be boolean, not string.
Pete
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Winston
(...)
> I put "Newsgroups" in the box that pops up when you click on "custom" (&
> then clicked on "add").
>
> Then I had to close & reopen the filters tab.
>
> That made "Newsgroups" appear as an option. The next box set to
> "contains" & the 3rd box I put misc.survivalism & chose Delete Message
> at the bottom.
THAT WORKS!
Thanks MikeB.
--Winston
cavelamb
I've finally given up and installed 3.0.4.
Your instructions could be more concise, but they did work.
Beautifully.
Now, if the Bozos will kindly keep cross posting to kooks, survival, etc
we'll be fine. But some of them have stopped.
Those you have to name by name...
First impressions of 3.0.4:
It took a while to build the index of my previous messages.
4000 or so in Sent, then all the individual folders...
But now it really blazes!
Resorting this group used to take a few moments, but now happens
almost instantly!
Searching by subject (in the search block) - now there are multiple options -
and most are global, it seems. select "by subject name" to keep the search
constrained.
All in all?
It's a keeper.