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Cliff
Psychic Democrat
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02JeTwpVt1s
Hilarious.
Patriot Games
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:06 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/President-Obama-Accepts-Nobel-Peace-Prize-78955552.html
> "President Obama Accepts Nobel Peace Prize"
> No winger ever won one.
Oops! Caught LYING (again):
"Dr. Henry Alfred Kissinger (born May 27, 1923), is a German-born
American political scientist, diplomat, and recipient of the Nobel
Peace Prize. He served as National Security Advisor and later
concurrently as Secretary of State in the Nixon Administration."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
Cliff
Gave Vietnam back to the people of Vietnam.
Blocked Nixon from starting a nuclear war.
What winger would ever have done either?
Wingers lay eggs.
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Cliff
Cliff
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:33:43 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:37:58 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:06 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/President-Obama-Accepts-Nobel-Peace-Prize-78955552.html
>>> "President Obama Accepts Nobel Peace Prize"
>>> No winger ever won one.
>>
>>Oops! Caught LYING (again):
>>
>>"Dr. Henry Alfred Kissinger (born May 27, 1923), is a German-born
>>American political scientist, diplomat, and recipient of the Nobel
>>Peace Prize. He served as National Security Advisor and later
>>concurrently as Secretary of State in the Nixon Administration."
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
>
> Gave Vietnam back to the people of Vietnam.
> Blocked Nixon from starting a nuclear war.
>
> What winger would ever have done either?
BTW, Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
accord was signed.
Did you pay them for the quite hefty damages they suffered?
Patriot Games
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:33:43 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:37:58 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:06 -0500, Cliff
>><Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/usa/President-Obama-Accepts-Nobel-Peace-Prize-78955552.html
>>> "President Obama Accepts Nobel Peace Prize"
>>> No winger ever won one.
>>Oops! Caught LYING (again):
>>"Dr. Henry Alfred Kissinger (born May 27, 1923), is a German-born
>>American political scientist, diplomat, and recipient of the Nobel
>>Peace Prize. He served as National Security Advisor and later
>>concurrently as Secretary of State in the Nixon Administration."
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger
Learn to like your LIES.
They will NEVER go away...
Patriot Games
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
>accord was signed.
Oops! Caught LYING, again.
"I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not paying
ransom, we were not paying reparations..." - Kissinger 09/22/92.
http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc71.html
YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
YOU LIED.
Cliff
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>> Cliff wrote:
>
>>>Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
>>>accord was signed.
>>
>>Oops! Caught LYING, again.
>>
>>"I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not paying
>>ransom, we were not paying reparations..." - Kissinger 09/22/92.
>>http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc71.html
>>
>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>
>>YOU LIED.
>
>Promised and kept the promise are not the same thing.
>
>http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/lundy/v/political1.html
>Nixon gave Prime Minister Pham Van Dong a letter in 1973, which
>established financial post-war reconstruction...in the range of $3.25
>billion of grant aid over five years (Stern 11).
>...
>But when the numbers of prisoners released seemed woefully small, the
>Nixon administration did not provide the financial reparations pledged
>by the United States.
>
>http://www.stormingmedia.us/69/6937/A693734.html
>The Kissinger-Le Duc Tho package of "peace" agreements signed in Paris
>in 1973 contained commitments for U.S. financial aid to restore the
>war-torn Vietnamese economy. While the United States maintained that
>Hanoi's repeated violations of other parts of the accords rendered the
>offer of assistance null and void, ...
>
>http://25thaviation.org/id795.htm
>On January 27, 1973, all four parties to the Vietnam conflict-the
>United States, South Vietnam, the PRG, and North Vietnam-signed the
>Treaty of Paris. The final terms provided for the release of all
>American prisoners of war from North Vietnam; the withdrawal of all
>U.S. forces from South Vietnam; the end of all foreign military
>operations in Laos and Cambodia; a cease-fire between North and South
>Vietnam; the formation of a National Council of Reconciliation to help
>South Vietnam form a new government; and continued U.S. military and
>economic aid to South Vietnam. In a secret addition to the treaty
>Nixon also promised $3.25 billion in reparations for the
>reconstruction of ravaged North Vietnam, an agreement that Congress
>ultimately refused to uphold.
Yep. Wingers like dumb idiot Patriot Games
lie all the time.
Is it congenital idiocy or studied ignorance?
Pathetic in any case.
How can they imagine that will not get caught yet again?
VERY slow learners.
Like Palin.
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Cliff
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
>>>accord was signed.
>>Oops! Caught LYING, again.
>>"I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not paying
>>ransom, we were not paying reparations..." - Kissinger 09/22/92.
>>http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc71.html
>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>YOU LIED.
True but not exactly relevant.
The 'secret' letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)
the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
Cliff
The Paris Peace Accords?
http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/ppa1973.html (January 17, 1973)
"the United States will contribute to healing the wounds of war and to postwar
reconstruction of the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam and throughout Indochina."
http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
"In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
called it "reconstruction.""
HTH
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
Cliff
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:26:06 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>> Cliff wrote:
>
>>>>>Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
>>>>>accord was signed.
>
>>>>Oops! Caught LYING, again.
>
>>>>"I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not paying
>>>>ransom, we were not paying reparations..." - Kissinger 09/22/92.
>>>>http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc71.html
>>>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>>>YOU LIED.
>
>>>Promised and kept the promise are not the same thing.
>>
>>True but not exactly relevant.
>
>Yes it is. You said we never promised. My cites say that's wrong.
>We did promise but backed out when they didn't keep their side of the
>deal. It WAS promised. It was NOT delivered. Stop trying to play
>semantic games.
Give Vietnam back the POWs or replacements.
Use Chickenhawks & wingers.
--
Cliff
Cliff
He worded it as "reconstruction" funding.
>
>YOU LIED.
You are caught.
>> http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
>> "In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
>>promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
>>called it "reconstruction.""
>
>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>
>YOU LIED.
You are caught.
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>> Cliff wrote:
>>>>>Henry Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam when the Vietnam peace
>>>>>accord was signed.
>>>>Oops! Caught LYING, again.
>>>>"I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not paying
>>>>ransom, we were not paying reparations..." - Kissinger 09/22/92.
>>>>http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc71.html
>>>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>>>YOU LIED.
>>>Promised and kept the promise are not the same thing.
>>True but not exactly relevant.
Wrong.
I said Cliff The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to
Vietnam."
I said Cliff The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to
Vietnam" because Cliff The Commie DID CLAIM that "Kissinger promised
reparations to Vietnam."
Cliff The Commie IS A LIAR.
Apparently YOU WISH TO JOIN HIM, right?
>My cites say that's wrong.
Nope.
>We did promise but backed out when they didn't keep their side of the
>deal. It WAS promised.
No, it wasn't "promised." The then-President STATED an INTENTION.
>It was NOT delivered.
True, but not relevant to Cliff The Commie's CLAIM that "Kissinger
promised reparations to Vietnam."
>Stop trying to play semantic games.
Try to pay attention.
>Do you have a cite
Of course I do:
http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/nixonletter.html
>or are we just to believe all the cites I gave are
>wrong or lying?
They are OPINION.
>My first cite says it was in 1973.
Perhaps because they HOPED no one would check and find out it was
AFTER the Treaty was signed?
>Perhaps after February but in the same year and part of the same treaty.
No, it was NOT part of the Treaty.
It was a SEPARATE STANDALONE Letter.
>>the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>My cites say the reparation letter was an addition to the treaty.
And your cites are WRONG.
>How
>is an addition to a treaty specifying reparations, "consistent with"
>your claim that there never WAS a promise?
Your LIE is exposed. I didn't "claim" there wasn't a promise. Cliff
The Commie CLAIMED there WAS a promise by Kissinger. I clearly PROVED
that there was NOT a promise by Kissinger.
>We are going to need some cites to support your claim.
No, I'm not. And I'm not going to play "Flip The Claim" WITH A LIAR.
>>Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>Yikes. Your quote is from 1992. And that is more relevant then
>something from 1973 - the time of the treaty ????
Yes, it is entirely relevant, accurate, and has NEVER BEEN REFUTED.
>Again, we need some cites.
Good luck with that...
>You are making claims contrary to mainstream history.
Don't you mean mainstream Communist DemocRAT history?
Cliff
Unlike a moron I actually checked the document.
>
>Apparently YOU WISH TO JOIN HIM, right?
>
>>My cites say that's wrong.
>
>Nope.
Yep.
>
>>We did promise but backed out when they didn't keep their side of the
>>deal. It WAS promised.
>
>No, it wasn't "promised." The then-President STATED an INTENTION.
So THAT crooked winger lied.
What else is new?
>
>>It was NOT delivered.
>
>True, but not relevant to Cliff The Commie's CLAIM that "Kissinger
>promised reparations to Vietnam."
So he lied when he said so to Vietnam?
Just like links to the actual document & the meanings of words, right?
>>My first cite says it was in 1973.
>
>Perhaps because they HOPED no one would check and find out it was
>AFTER the Treaty was signed?
Nixon just reconfirmed.
Clearly he knew what Kissinger had promised.
>>Perhaps after February but in the same year and part of the same treaty.
>
>No, it was NOT part of the Treaty.
It confirmed the agreement.
It was not a treaty.
>It was a SEPARATE STANDALONE Letter.
>
>>>the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>My cites say the reparation letter was an addition to the treaty.
>
>And your cites are WRONG.
So it did not exist, eh?
>
>>How
>>is an addition to a treaty specifying reparations, "consistent with"
>>your claim that there never WAS a promise?
>
>Your LIE is exposed. I didn't "claim" there wasn't a promise. Cliff
>The Commie CLAIMED there WAS a promise by Kissinger. I clearly PROVED
>that there was NOT a promise by Kissinger.
Nope. You just copied what he said about it many years later.
Or what someone said he said.
>
>>We are going to need some cites to support your claim.
>
>No, I'm not. And I'm not going to play "Flip The Claim" WITH A LIAR.
IOW You cannot.
But you love to lie.
As we all know well.
>
>>>Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>>paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>>Yikes. Your quote is from 1992. And that is more relevant then
>>something from 1973 - the time of the treaty ????
>
>Yes, it is entirely relevant, accurate, and has NEVER BEEN REFUTED.
Like by looking at & reading the actual agreement?
>
>>Again, we need some cites.
>
>Good luck with that...
>
>>You are making claims contrary to mainstream history.
>
>Don't you mean mainstream Communist DemocRAT history?
IOW You wish to lie.
We know.
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
YOU WORDED IT AS "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
YOU LIED.
>>> http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
>>> "In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
>>>promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
>>>called it "reconstruction.""
>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>YOU LIED.
See above.
Patriot Games
hahahahahahahha!!
>>Apparently YOU WISH TO JOIN HIM, right?
>>>My cites say that's wrong.
>>Nope.
>>>We did promise but backed out when they didn't keep their side of the
>>>deal. It WAS promised.
>>No, it wasn't "promised." The then-President STATED an INTENTION.
>>>It was NOT delivered.
>>True, but not relevant to Cliff The Commie's CLAIM that "Kissinger
>>promised reparations to Vietnam."
Prove it...
>>>My first cite says it was in 1973.
>>Perhaps because they HOPED no one would check and find out it was
>>AFTER the Treaty was signed?
> Nixon just reconfirmed.
> Clearly he knew what Kissinger had promised.
Prove it.
>>>Perhaps after February but in the same year and part of the same treaty.
>>No, it was NOT part of the Treaty.
>>It was a SEPARATE STANDALONE Letter.
>>>>the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>>My cites say the reparation letter was an addition to the treaty.
>>And your cites are WRONG.
> So it did not exist, eh?
Try to pay attention, Liar.
>>>How
>>>is an addition to a treaty specifying reparations, "consistent with"
>>>your claim that there never WAS a promise?
>>Your LIE is exposed. I didn't "claim" there wasn't a promise. Cliff
>>The Commie CLAIMED there WAS a promise by Kissinger. I clearly PROVED
>>that there was NOT a promise by Kissinger.
>>>We are going to need some cites to support your claim.
>>No, I'm not. And I'm not going to play "Flip The Claim" WITH A LIAR.
>>>>Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>>>paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>>>Yikes. Your quote is from 1992. And that is more relevant then
>>>something from 1973 - the time of the treaty ????
>>Yes, it is entirely relevant, accurate, and has NEVER BEEN REFUTED.
> Like by looking at & reading the actual agreement?
Prove it.
Cliff
>You ignore my cite.
>http://www.stormingmedia.us/69/6937/A693734.html
>The Kissinger-Le Duc Tho package of "peace" agreements signed in Paris
>in 1973 contained commitments for U.S. financial aid to restore the
>war-torn Vietnamese economy.
>
>Kissinger was our negotiator.
>
>Give us some proof that is wrong, or it's YOU who must be the liar.
Wingers are just not very bright. Or natural born liars. Or both.
Reparation:
compensation (given or received) for an insult or injury;
(usually plural) compensation exacted from a defeated nation by the victors
repair: the act of putting something in working order again
something done or paid in expiation of a wrong; "how can I make amends"
reparation is replenishment of a previously inflicted loss by the criminal to
the victim. Monetary restitution is a common form of reparation. ...
A payment of time, effort or money to undue past transgression(s); The act of
renewing, restoring, etc., or the state of being renewed or repaired; as, the
reparation of a bridge or of a highway; To make payment of time, effort or money
to undo past transgression(s)
Compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to
or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of ...
Payment or other compensation provided by a government to a group of people or
to another country to compensate for loss or damage that it has caused.
Internationally, reparations have been paid after a war by the losers to the
winners, most notably by Germany after World War I.
Indemnification for damages caused. Compensation in money or goods required
from a defeated power by a victor. Plural form generally used in historical
contexts.
>
>>> http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
>>> "In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
>>>promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
>>>called it "reconstruction.""
>>
>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>
>>YOU LIED.
>
>See above. Saying the same thing twice does not make it truer. Cough
>up with some evidence to prove your claims.
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Cliff
Patriot Games
>http://www.stormingmedia.us/69/6937/A693734.html
>The Kissinger-Le Duc Tho package of "peace" agreements signed in Paris
>in 1973 contained commitments for U.S. financial aid to restore the
>war-torn Vietnamese economy.
>Give us some proof that is wrong,
Of course Kissinger was the Chief Negotiator, that is both true and
irrelevant.
>or it's YOU who must be the liar.
Wrong.
Cliffy The Commie said: "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
Feel free to CITE from the ACTUAL TREATY where "Kissinger promised
reparations to Vietnam."
Oops! You can't...
>>> http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
>>> "In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
>>>promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
>>>called it "reconstruction.""
>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>YOU LIED.
>Saying the same thing twice does not make it truer.
But it does allow YOU to focus your tiny mind on the ONLY element in
question:
Cliffy The Commie said: "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
>Cough up with some evidence to prove your claims.
Did that...
And, NO, I'm going to play 'Flip That Claim' with a LIAR.
Cliffy The Commie said: "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
The BURDEN of PROOF is on YOU.
If YOU think America "promised reparations to Vietnam" then YOU have
the BURDEN of CITING from the ACTUAL TREATY where America "promised
reparations to Vietnam."
If YOU think Kissinger "promised reparations to Vietnam" then YOU have
the BURDEN of CITING from the ACTUAL TREATY where Kissinger "promised
reparations to Vietnam."
Case closed.
Cliff
>Feel free to CITE from the ACTUAL TREATY where "Kissinger promised
>reparations to Vietnam."
Moron.
WHAT "TREATY"?
I said nothing about any TREATY.
Go take remedial US Citizenship classes.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>Cough up with some evidence to prove your claims.
>
>Did that...
>
>And, NO, I'm going to play 'Flip That Claim' with a LIAR.
>
>Cliffy The Commie said: "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>
>Cliffy The Commie LIED.
>
>The BURDEN of PROOF is on YOU.
>
>If YOU think America "promised reparations to Vietnam" then YOU have
>the BURDEN of CITING from the ACTUAL TREATY where America "promised
>reparations to Vietnam."
>
>If YOU think Kissinger "promised reparations to Vietnam" then YOU have
>the BURDEN of CITING from the ACTUAL TREATY where Kissinger "promised
>reparations to Vietnam."
>
>Case closed.
Liar.
You are claiming a treaty as a requirement.
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>I said Cliff The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to
>>Vietnam" because Cliff The Commie DID CLAIM that "Kissinger promised
>>reparations to Vietnam."
>made without his knowledge and approval.
All true, all irrelevant.
>>Cliff The Commie IS A LIAR.
>>Apparently YOU WISH TO JOIN HIM, right?
>>>My cites say that's wrong.
>Your cite is from Kissinger, twenty years after the fact, trying to
>cover his reputation and spin history.
The cite is from Kissinger TELLING THE TRUE FACTS.
The BURDEN of REFUTING Kissinger's statement IS ON YOU.
>>>>The 'secret' letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)
>>>Do you have a cite
>>Of course I do:
>>http://www.aiipowmia.com/sea/nixonletter.html
>Which says in part
>"The Department released on May 19, 1977, the text of a message dated
>February 1, 1973, "
I knew that. Did you have a point?
>Yet earlier you wrote.
>>|| The 'secret' letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)
>>|| the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>|| Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>|| paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>Message-ID: <9dlpk5t5bfnnmrpc7...@4ax.com>
Are you CONFUSED by the fact that we RELEASED the copy of the letter
in 1977 and the letter was written in 1973?
>Let's recap: Your cite tells us it was dated 2/1/73. YOU tell us it
>was written an unspecified time after that date.
Wrong. I told you PRECISELY when the letter was written.
What part of "letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)"
don't you understand?
Feel free to EXPLAIN what part of "February 1, 1973" is an
"unspecified time."
>If you want us to
>buy that, you will need some cites about when it was actually composed
>and why it was, supposedly, back dated.
Thanks for embarrassing and humiliating yourself in public and saving
me the time.
>Or are you just trying to say Nixon made the promises and Kissinger
>just when along with what his boss wanted. If so, that's a
>distinction without a difference.
Your attempt to change the subject has FAILED.
Cliffy The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
Case closed.
Patriot Games
Just for YOU, Cliffy The Commie, I'll allow YOU to CITE ANYTHING
written by Kissinger HIMSELF where he "promised reparations to
Vietnam."
And MAKE CERTAIN what you CITE includes the word "reparations" and
MAKE SURE what you CITE was written by Kissinger HIMSELF.
I'll be waiting...
Cliff
>> He worded it as "reconstruction" funding.
>
>YOU WORDED IT AS "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Indeed I did and so it was to be.
What did you think reparations might consist of?
Oops ... you did not think.
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>Just for YOU, Cliffy The Commie, I'll allow YOU to CITE ANYTHING
>>written by Kissinger HIMSELF where he "promised reparations to
>>Vietnam."
>>And MAKE CERTAIN what you CITE includes the word "reparations" and
>>MAKE SURE what you CITE was written by Kissinger HIMSELF.
>What Kissinger said; forget what he did.
--------------------------------------------
"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
wrote in message news:Xns9A7863167...@207.115.33.102...
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>>> and his handling of the Kosovo War with his
>>> friend Wesley Clark was MASTERFUL.
>> Murdering Christians to protect Muslims was "MASTERFUL?"
> If only we could all hope to kill murdering Christians in order to protect
> innocent Muslims, what a wonderful world this would be.
What a keeper!
--------------------------------------------
Try to pay attention.
Cliffy The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
If you want me to embarrass and humiliate you on any other topic feel
free to start a new Thread.
>Have you even known a politician - of either flavor - to say anything
>that wasn't focus group tested for public support, sound byte worthy,
>ever so flattering, and not really specific at all?
Your attempt to change the Subject has FAILED.
>Have you ever known a politician - of either flavor - to actually do
>exactly what they talked about in speeches?
Your attempt to change the Subject has FAILED.
Try to pay attention.
Cliffy The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
Cliffy The Commie LIED.
If you want me to embarrass and humiliate you on any other topic feel
free to start a new Thread.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:26:26 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>>>Kissinger was our negotiator.
>>>Give us some proof that is wrong,
>>Of course Kissinger was the Chief Negotiator, that is both true and
>>irrelevant.
>>>or it's YOU who must be the liar.
>>Wrong.
>>Cliffy The Commie said: "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>Cliffy The Commie LIED.
>>Feel free to CITE from the ACTUAL TREATY where "Kissinger promised
>>reparations to Vietnam."
>Radarange!"
I'll take that as your CONFESSION that you LIED while trying YET
FAILING to defend Cliffy The Commie.
Patriot Games
Learn to like your lie.
It will never go away.
Cliff
>They are OPINION.
The actual agreement, eh?
And thus you can lie about it, eh?
--
Cliff
Cliff
You did not know a thing about it but you lied anyway.
I remembered about it.
You lied, as usual & as expected.
>>>>My first cite says it was in 1973.
>>>Perhaps because they HOPED no one would check and find out it was
>>>AFTER the Treaty was signed?
>> Nixon just reconfirmed.
>> Clearly he knew what Kissinger had promised.
>
>Prove it.
You lied, as usual & as expected.
>>>>Perhaps after February but in the same year and part of the same treaty.
>>>No, it was NOT part of the Treaty.
>>>It was a SEPARATE STANDALONE Letter.
>>>>>the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>>>My cites say the reparation letter was an addition to the treaty.
>>>And your cites are WRONG.
>> So it did not exist, eh?
>
>Try to pay attention, Liar.
You lied, as usual & as expected.
>>>>How
>>>>is an addition to a treaty specifying reparations, "consistent with"
>>>>your claim that there never WAS a promise?
>>>Your LIE is exposed. I didn't "claim" there wasn't a promise. Cliff
>>>The Commie CLAIMED there WAS a promise by Kissinger. I clearly PROVED
>>>that there was NOT a promise by Kissinger.
>>>>We are going to need some cites to support your claim.
>>>No, I'm not. And I'm not going to play "Flip The Claim" WITH A LIAR.
>>>>>Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>>>>paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>>>>Yikes. Your quote is from 1992. And that is more relevant then
>>>>something from 1973 - the time of the treaty ????
>>>Yes, it is entirely relevant, accurate, and has NEVER BEEN REFUTED.
>> Like by looking at & reading the actual agreement?
>
>Prove it.
You lied, as usual & as expected.
--
Cliff
Cliff
You lied, as usual & as expected.
>>>> http://www.namebase.org/books90.html
>>>> "In Paris on February 1, 1973, the U.S. gave North Vietnam a letter from Nixon
>>>>promising $3.25 billion in ... North Vietnam wanted "reparations" but Nixon
>>>>called it "reconstruction.""
>>>YOU said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>>>YOU LIED.
>
>See above.
See "dictionary".
--
Cliff
Cliff
You lied, as usual & as expected.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>> Give Vietnam back the POWs or replacements.
>> Use Chickenhawks & wingers.
>
>Which brings us to 0bamaWars, his total lack of military experience,
>and his starting and escalating wars left and right.
I noted no starting of any "wars".
Nor much, if anything, in the way of "escalating".
Not that things could not be done better, IMHO.
> He has learned
>nothing from Bush and is repeating Bush's folly. He is repeating
>every stupid policy Bush ever put in place - which is to say all of
>them. He is Bush's third term. Tell me about this "change".
>
>The lad probably wants his own neat bomber jacket.
>WS
>
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60C5NM20100113?type=politicsNews
>U.S. senator: consider air strikes on militants in Yemen
>
>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States should consider using air
>strikes, such as attacks by unmanned drones, to battle militants in
>Yemen that threaten American security, a senior U.S. senator said on
>Wednesday.
>
>Sen. Carl Levin said that air strikes, clandestine actions, and
>stepping up U.S. military aid to Yemen are among options that should
>be considered for dealing with the threat from al Qaeda militants in
>the Gulf Arab state.
>...
>Levin, a Democrat, is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee,
>making him one of Congress' most influential voices on military
>matters.
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE60E1LS20100115
>Six al Qaeda militants killed in Yemen air strike
And Obama clearly said "No!" IIRC.
>
>
>=====
>Iraq
>Afghanistan
>maybe Pakistan
>maybe Yemen
>and maybe, just maybe, Iran
>
>http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339426936&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
>US preparing for possible Iran conflict
Not much meaning there.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>Yet earlier you wrote.
>>>|| The 'secret' letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)
>>>|| the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>>|| Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>>|| paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>>Message-ID: <9dlpk5t5bfnnmrpc7...@4ax.com>
>
>Are you CONFUSED by the fact that we RELEASED the copy of the letter
>in 1977 and the letter was written in 1973?
So you claim that the repatriations promised by Kissinger and later
confirmed by Nixon did not exist when Kissinger promised them
but only did after Nixon confirmed them a few days later.
How circular.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Keep moving the goalposts ... you already lost.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Try to pay attention.
>
>Cliffy The Commie said "Kissinger promised reparations to Vietnam."
>
>Cliffy The Commie LIED.
>
>If you want me to embarrass and humiliate you on any other topic feel
>free to start a new Thread.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=reparations+Vietnam
"about 1,580,000 for reparations Vietnam."
HTH
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
Oops! You FAILED to CITE ANYTHING written by Kissinger HIMSELF where
he "promised reparations to Vietnam."
Hahahahha!
Patriot Games
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:56:10 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>Yet earlier you wrote.
>>>>|| The 'secret' letter from Nixon was written AFTER (February 1, 1973)
>>>>|| the Treaty of Paris was signed which is completely consistent with
>>>>|| Kissinger's "I certainly told them innumerable times that we were not
>>>>|| paying ransom, we were not paying reparations..."
>>>Message-ID: <9dlpk5t5bfnnmrpc7...@4ax.com>
>>Are you CONFUSED by the fact that we RELEASED the copy of the letter
>>in 1977 and the letter was written in 1973?
Learn to like your lie.
It will never go away!
Patriot Games
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:34:18 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>They are OPINION.
> The actual agreement, eh?
The "actual agreement" that you FAILED to QUOTE from including the
word "reparations."
Hahahhahahahahaha!!!
Cliff
Keep moving the goalposts... you already lost.
--
Cliff
Cliff
How circular.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Get a dictionary & learn to read.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>>Levin, a Democrat, is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee,
>>>making him one of Congress' most influential voices on military
>>>matters.
>>>
>>>http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE60E1LS20100115
>>>Six al Qaeda militants killed in Yemen air strike
>>
>> And Obama clearly said "No!" IIRC.
>
>You have the balls to say that right under a link to a story that says
>he DID it?
If you can read it you will note the big "letters" that say
"Six al Qaeda militants were killed in an air strike in northern Yemen Friday in
a stepped-up government campaign against the Islamist group."
The government of Yemen.
Not Obama.
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:21:21 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>Just for YOU, Cliffy The Commie, I'll allow YOU to CITE ANYTHING
>>>>written by Kissinger HIMSELF where he "promised reparations to
>>>>Vietnam."
>>>>And MAKE CERTAIN what you CITE includes the word "reparations" and
>>>>MAKE SURE what you CITE was written by Kissinger HIMSELF.
>>>Do as I say, not as I do, huh?
>>>What Kissinger said; forget what he did.
>>--------------------------------------------
>>"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>>wrote in message news:Xns9A7863167...@207.115.33.102...
You've been busted...
Learn to like it...
Here's this:
--------------------------
M Gozler
Dec 24, 2009
A law form a union calls you and you completely let your right-wing
all-consuming hatred for labor unions overtake what your ability to
reason.
Oh..my mistake...you are the epitome of the moronic right wing, so
therefore you lack the ability to reason and think.
--------------------------
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/FAA-union-lawyers-questioning-journalists-who-report-on-drunken-taxpayer-funded-FAA-party-80007292.html
So, lemme see if I have this correct.
There's a "M. Gozler" who posts to alt.politics as a raving liberal
queen who uses the name Winston Smith AND leaves raving liberal queen
comments on newspaper blogs...
AND THERE'S ANOTHER Winston Smith who posts to alt.politcs as a raving
liberal queen AND uses "M. Gozler" ...
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Patriot Games
wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:34:58 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:21:21 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Just for YOU, Cliffy The Commie, I'll allow YOU to CITE ANYTHING
>>>>>>written by Kissinger HIMSELF where he "promised reparations to
>>>>>>Vietnam."
>>>>>>And MAKE CERTAIN what you CITE includes the word "reparations" and
>>>>>>MAKE SURE what you CITE was written by Kissinger HIMSELF.
>>>>>Do as I say, not as I do, huh?
>>>>>What Kissinger said; forget what he did.
>>>>--------------------------------------------
>>>>"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>>>>wrote in message news:Xns9A7863167...@207.115.33.102...
>>>Different poster. Read the headers. Press "Reset" to play again.
>>You've been busted...
>>Learn to like it...
Burled Frau
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:10:29 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
wrote:
> You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone says.
They don't get any dumber than Curly Queer.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Indeed...true indeed.
Cliff
More flights of idiocy:
>Here's this:
Cliff
>So, lemme see if I have this correct.
>
>There's a "M. Gozler" who posts to alt.politics as a raving liberal
>queen who uses the name Winston Smith AND leaves raving liberal queen
>comments on newspaper blogs...
>
>AND THERE'S ANOTHER Winston Smith who posts to alt.politcs as a raving
>liberal queen AND uses "M. Gozler" ...
>
>Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Today's FREE CLUE for wingers:
"Smith" is a rather common surname.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Build and flew their own planes, did they? Built their own missiles
>too? And probably their own satellite for intelligence? Damn, they
>ARE good.
So it was not Obama after all, eh?
--
Cliff
Patriot Games
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>You've been busted...
>>>>Learn to like it...
>>>You quote someone else and pretend it's a quote from me ????
>>So, lemme see if I have this correct.
>>There's a "M. Gozler" who posts to alt.politics as a raving liberal
>>queen who uses the name Winston Smith AND leaves raving liberal queen
>>comments on newspaper blogs...
>>AND THERE'S ANOTHER Winston Smith who posts to alt.politcs as a raving
>>liberal queen AND uses "M. Gozler" ...
>>Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>I've used the same nick for a decade. I hang out on misc.survivalism.
>The only way posts of mine show up elsewhere is when I reply to cross
>posters.
Sure... Its just a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE that those other guys picked
that name from a GAZILLION possible names...
>I have never used "M. Gozler". I never heard of him/her/it until
>reading this post.
Really? So, back in 2004, when YOU were using the Labor Law Talk blog
[ http://www.laborlawtalk.com/ ] as "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
you didn't sign your name as "Mavi Gozler?"
http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?p=342255
Oh, that particullar post was written by "Winston Smith, American
Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> and the name of it was
"American NAZIs Interfere with Marriages Between US Citizens and Alien
Spouses." Its JUST COINCIDENCE that you two sound EXACTLY THE SAME?
>You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone
>says.
Smart enough to BUST YOU!
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Wow, Gummer survived his encounter with Deucalion?
Oh, that's right. He punked out just like Bob Milby...
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Bible: Slavery good. Gays bad. Snakes talk.
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Burled Frau
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hjg88a$d8u$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:13:22 -0600, "Burled Frau" <ach...@jawol.jah>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:10:29 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone
>>>> says.
>>>
>>>They don't get any dumber than Curly Queer.
>>
>>
>> Indeed...true indeed.
>
> Wow, Gummer survived his encounter with Deucalion?
Actually Douchebag wimped out like you did and refused to post his address.
Note that Gunner has sent the Douchebag a proper invitation, including
address, zip code, and turn by turn directions.
Douchebag ran to his new brick outhouse while you ran to your Mexican
hacienda.
Burled Frau
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:7e8nl5p2kjsk7lnkv...@4ax.com...
> Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:10:29 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:47:05 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote
>>>>>>>Different poster. Read the headers. Press "Reset" to play again.
>>>>>>You've been busted...
>>>>>>Learn to like it...
>>>>>You quote someone else and pretend it's a quote from me ????
>>>>So, lemme see if I have this correct.
>>>>There's a "M. Gozler" who posts to alt.politics as a raving liberal
>>>>queen who uses the name Winston Smith AND leaves raving liberal queen
>>>>comments on newspaper blogs...
>>>>AND THERE'S ANOTHER Winston Smith who posts to alt.politcs as a raving
>>>>liberal queen AND uses "M. Gozler" ...
>>>>Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>>>And then there is me. I post under Winston Smith. No other name.
>>>I've used the same nick for a decade. I hang out on misc.survivalism.
>>>The only way posts of mine show up elsewhere is when I reply to cross
>>>posters.
>>
>>Sure... Its just a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE that those other guys picked
>>that name from a GAZILLION possible names...
>
> Laughing out loud. You poor ignorant SOB. You still don't know who
> Winston Smith is. Save yourself more embarrassment and google it.
>
>>>I have never used "M. Gozler". I never heard of him/her/it until
>>>reading this post.
>>
>>Really? So, back in 2004, when YOU were using the Labor Law Talk blog
>>[ http://www.laborlawtalk.com/ ] as "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>>you didn't sign your name as "Mavi Gozler?"
>>http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?p=342255
>
> I have never been on that forum (what you call "blogs"). I only have
> logons for two forums The Survival Podcast and a Jeep group. I doubt
> I visit them more than once a year, if that. Damn rare that I post
> there. My forum name is consistent, but it is not WS.
>
> It sounds like someone named "Mavi Gozler" is the person that posts as
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot". Where is this great
> mystery/conspiracy/deception you seem to be finding?
>
>>Oh, that particullar post was written by "Winston Smith, American
>>Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>
> I post as just "Winston Smith". There is another poster that uses
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot". Two different people. We do
> sometimes show up in the same group. Once in a rare while in the same
> thread. We have on rare occasions exchanged posts.
>
>>and the name of it was
>>"American NAZIs Interfere with Marriages Between US Citizens and Alien
>>Spouses." Its JUST COINCIDENCE that you two sound EXACTLY THE SAME?
>
> Besides not knowing your world literature, you apparently haven't read
> many of my posts either. You are one of a very, very few that see me
> as a liberal. I ding 0bama a dozen times a week on average. I've
> heard TMT and Cliff have hit contracts out on me. LOL.
>
>>>You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone
>>>says.
>>
>>Smart enough to BUST YOU!
>>
>>hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>
> Enjoy your fantasy. The rest of us are. And seriously dude, google
> Winston Smith before you dig yourself in any deeper. You might want
> to google "Oceania" too. As long as you are improving your sad state
> of education, google "Franz Kafka" too.
I'll vouch for Winston. He's a loon sometimes, but he's our loon. =|8-)'
Patriot Games
>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:47:05 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote
>>>>>>>Different poster. Read the headers. Press "Reset" to play again.
>>>>>>You've been busted...
>>>>>>Learn to like it...
>>>>>You quote someone else and pretend it's a quote from me ????
>>>>So, lemme see if I have this correct.
>>>>There's a "M. Gozler" who posts to alt.politics as a raving liberal
>>>>queen who uses the name Winston Smith AND leaves raving liberal queen
>>>>comments on newspaper blogs...
>>>>AND THERE'S ANOTHER Winston Smith who posts to alt.politcs as a raving
>>>>liberal queen AND uses "M. Gozler" ...
>>>>Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>>>And then there is me. I post under Winston Smith. No other name.
>>>I've used the same nick for a decade. I hang out on misc.survivalism.
>>>The only way posts of mine show up elsewhere is when I reply to cross
>>>posters.
>>Sure... Its just a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE that those other guys picked
>>that name from a GAZILLION possible names...
>Winston Smith is. Save yourself more embarrassment and google it.
Don't need to...
>>>I have never used "M. Gozler". I never heard of him/her/it until
>>>reading this post.
>>Really? So, back in 2004, when YOU were using the Labor Law Talk blog
>>[ http://www.laborlawtalk.com/ ] as "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>>you didn't sign your name as "Mavi Gozler?"
>>http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?p=342255
>I have never been on that forum (what you call "blogs").
hahahahahahahaha!!!
>>Oh, that particullar post was written by "Winston Smith, American
>>Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV>
>I post as just "Winston Smith". There is another poster that uses
>"Winston Smith, American Patriot". Two different people. We do
>sometimes show up in the same group. Once in a rare while in the same
>thread. We have on rare occasions exchanged posts.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>>and the name of it was
>>"American NAZIs Interfere with Marriages Between US Citizens and Alien
>>Spouses." Its JUST COINCIDENCE that you two sound EXACTLY THE SAME?
>>>You are starting to convince me you really are as dumb as everyone
>>>says.
>>Smart enough to BUST YOU!
>>hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>Enjoy your fantasy.
Enjoy being BUSTED.
Cliff
> I've
>heard TMT and Cliff have hit contracts out on me. LOL.
BS
Cliff
>>Laughing out loud. You poor ignorant SOB. You still don't know who
>>Winston Smith is. Save yourself more embarrassment and google it.
>
>Don't need to...
<Snicker>
What an idiot.
And he did not.
OTOH I'd forgotten <shrug>.
--
Cliff