unspooler project
David Lesher
Have an upcoming job where we'll be spooling out several
thousand feet of 1~1.5" HDPE duct and waterpipe.
Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
Most places use a special trailer, but we lack same. We do have
the use of a local large off-road forklift. (There's also a
HD11 dozer, a smaller dozer, backhoe, road grader, a lowboy, a
ditch-witch and other toys...)
So I am envisioning something like this.
Assume the forks are 5" wide, and 1.5" thick. (I'll get someone to
measure them...)
Take 2" sq hollow rectangular stock, cut 6" long piece.
Split it half lengthwise.
Cut 5-6" piece of 3.5" ID pipe.
Weld the half-squares to pipe:
_______
_______
[ ]
where they are spaced apart to slide over the forks. Then
drill/tap stock, or weld nut onto half-square so you can run
bolt into fork, wedging in place.
To use:
Straddle reel, slide on brackets, run 3" pipe through both
brackets and reel. Lift and tighten bolt{s}.
What say folks here... is there a better approach?
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Rich Grise
Forty FEET wide? How about a couple of sets of rollers; maybe big
casters mounted upside-down, and rest the flanges of the spool
on them?
You might need some mechanism to keep it centered.
Have Fun!
Rich
Michael A. Terrell
David Lesher wrote:
>
> Have an upcoming job where we'll be spooling out several
> thousand feet of 1~1.5" HDPE duct and waterpipe.
>
> Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
> 3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
>
> Most places use a special trailer, but we lack same. We do have
> the use of a local large off-road forklift. (There's also a
> HD11 dozer, a smaller dozer, backhoe, road grader, a lowboy, a
> ditch-witch and other toys...)
>
> So I am envisioning something like this.
>
> Assume the forks are 5" wide, and 1.5" thick. (I'll get someone to
> measure them...)
>
> Take 2" sq hollow rectangular stock, cut 6" long piece.
> Split it half lengthwise.
> Cut 5-6" piece of 3.5" ID pipe.
>
> Weld the half-squares to pipe:
>
> _______
> _______
> [ ]
>
> where they are spaced apart to slide over the forks. Then
> drill/tap stock, or weld nut onto half-square so you can run
> bolt into fork, wedging in place.
>
> To use:
> Straddle reel, slide on brackets, run 3" pipe through both
> brackets and reel. Lift and tighten bolt{s}.
What are you going to do to keep the pipe from sliding out as the
reel turns? 2500 pounds can put a lot of force on the pipe and make it
move sideways.
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rangerssuck
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Make the pipe a few extra inches long. Put through holes at each end
of pipe. Put hitch pins through holes.
The general idea sounds OK, but if I'm reading the picture correctly,
it looks upsiode down. The pipe should sit on top of the forks. You
could, instead of the above-mentioned pins, bolt directly through the
pipe, fork and half-square. Stick a plug in the pipe to keep from
crushing it.
You'll probably also want some spacers to keep the reel from rubbing
against the forks.
Pete C.
If the pipe is welded to the C channels wedged to the forklift forks
which are straddling the reel, it's pretty unlikely the pipe will move.
Instead of the split undersized tube, how about getting a couple feet of
something like 3x6x.25 tube to fully enclose the forks?
Michael A. Terrell
If the pipe is welded to the C channels, how are you going to get it
through the 3" hub of the reel?
> Instead of the split undersized tube, how about getting a couple feet of
> something like 3x6x.25 tube to fully enclose the forks?
KD7HB
> & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
> is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Do you monitor Craig's list? There have been several of these trailers
at almost give-away prices in the Bend Oregon list.
Paul
Pete C.
You weld the 3.5" pipe to the channels, the 3" pipe slips inside of the
3.5" pipe and you put a couple hitch pins through to lock it.
David Lesher
>> Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
>> 3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
>Forty FEET wide?
Sorry; the " unit got morphed in cyberspace.
The reels are about forty inches wide.
David Lesher
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>> =A 0 =A 0What are you going to do to keep the pipe from sliding out as the
>> reel turns? =A 02500 pounds can put a lot of force on the pipe and make it
>> move sideways.
>Make the pipe a few extra inches long. Put through holes at each end
>of pipe. Put hitch pins through holes.
Yes, that was my thinking, the actual axle would have hitch pins.
>The general idea sounds OK, but if I'm reading the picture correctly,
>it looks upsiode down. The pipe should sit on top of the forks.
It does. As seen above, the fork comes out of the screen toward you;
and slides between the two [ half squares. The axle will run across
the page R-L, rotating in the pipes.
>You could, instead of the above-mentioned pins, bolt directly
>through the pipe, fork and half-square. Stick a plug in the
>pipe to keep from crushing it.
I REALLY doubt the fork lift owner would approve of us drilling holes
through the forks. I did think we might tack them into place and grind off
after, but even that is iffy.
>You'll probably also want some spacers to keep the reel from rubbing
>against the forks.
Yes, thought of that. Need to see actual reels to scope out. Maybe make pipe
longer so reel hub hits them.
David Lesher
>Instead of the split undersized tube, how about getting a couple feet of
>something like 3x6x.25 tube to fully enclose the forks?
Could, but what's the cost difference?
David Lesher
>Do you monitor Craig's list? There have been several of these trailers
>at almost give-away prices in the Bend Oregon list.
The gas alone from SJO to Bend and back makes it unattractive. But we could
look locally. I don't know how well it will work; we're trenching through
woods.
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Michael A. Terrell
Have fun with it. I would build a set of tripods to carry it on a
large trailer, like is used for this work.
Rich Grise
>
> I REALLY doubt the fork lift owner would approve of us drilling holes
> through the forks. I did think we might tack them into place and grind off
> after, but even that is iffy.
At the shop where I sit, they use MONGO C-clamps on the forks.
Have Fun!
Rich
Rich Grise
> Rich Grise <rich...@example.net> writes:
>
>>> Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
>>> 3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
>
>>Forty FEET wide?
>
> Sorry; the " unit got morphed in cyberspace.
> The reels are about forty inches wide.
Whew! ;-)
I've seen pipe like that made and spooled, but the only time I've
seen anything get unspooled, the rig was already in place.
How about just an A-frame?
Or, if you're trenching, just roll the spool over the trench. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
dca...@krl.org
> I REALLY doubt the fork lift owner would approve of us drilling holes
> through the forks. I did think we might tack them into place and grind off
> after, but even that is iffy.
>
The Osha requirements on Forklifts are pretty severe. IIRC anything
done to the forks requires the manufacturers approval. I would design
it so C clamps could be used to hold the mechanism to the forks. That
way you can use any forklift.
Dan
Pete C.
I've never seen such a thing. Every commercial use of these large spools
is on a dedicated trailer with one or more permanent supports (not
tripods) for the spools.
Pete C.
Actually, there is a better approach I just thought of. Use just the 3"
pipe axle and a couple big U bolts with cross-plate to clamp it to the
forks. You don't even have to drill the pipe if the U bolts are big
enough to span the fork and the pipe diagonally.
Pete C.
Or even big C clamps if the pipe length just spans the forks so you can
stick the C in the end of the pipe and clamp it to the fork.
Michael A. Terrell
Sorry, I meant 'Triangular'. The long side bolted to the floor, and
a notch in the peak to accept the axle. Ours had heavy steel plates
that were bolted over the ends of the axle to keep it from coming out
while being towed down the road.
We worked with slightly smaller but a lot heavier reels in building
CATV systems.
Ecnerwal
Rich Grise <rich...@example.net> wrote:
> Or, if you're trenching, just roll the spool over the trench. ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Rich
Does not work well at all- reel wants to roll at the rate the rim of the
reel is going, but the pipe pays out at a considerable lag because it's
smaller diameter than the part on the ground. Uncooperative (and 2500
lbs of uncooperative can get to killing in short order....not to mention
that it will fall in and wedge in the trench.
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REPLY"
2500# is not a lot. Most car hauler trailers will haul 2-3x that. Just
build a couple triangle supports for each side with a 1/2 hub to accept a
large diameter pipe. Near the size of the hole in the spool. The height
would only be about 5' for a 9' spool. Put the pipe through the hub, lay
the pipe in the 1/2 hub. Like a pipe cut in 1/2 and bolt through the pipe
and hub. That will hold the upper part of the triangle from spreading, and
have a couple of angle pieces bolted across the bottom. Be similar to the
commercial trucks/ trailers. Then tow the trailer with any capable vehicle.
You could get an older boat trailer someone is scrapping even.
Rich Grise
> In article <pan.2010.10.29...@example.net>,
> Rich Grise <rich...@example.net> wrote:
>> Or, if you're trenching, just roll the spool over the trench. ;-)
>
> Does not work well at all- reel wants to roll at the rate the rim of the
> reel is going, but the pipe pays out at a considerable lag because it's
> smaller diameter than the part on the ground. Uncooperative (and 2500
> lbs of uncooperative can get to killing in short order....not to mention
> that it will fall in and wedge in the trench.
Yeah - I was hoping with the winkie-smiley, I could forego the </joke> tag. ;-)
Thanks!
Rich
Michael A. Terrell
Or go rolling down a hill and kill someone.
Pete C.
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> "Pete C." wrote:
> >
> > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> > >
> > > Have fun with it. I would build a set of tripods to carry it on a
> > > large trailer, like is used for this work.
> >
> > I've never seen such a thing. Every commercial use of these large spools
> > is on a dedicated trailer with one or more permanent supports (not
> > tripods) for the spools.
>
> Sorry, I meant 'Triangular'. The long side bolted to the floor, and
> a notch in the peak to accept the axle. Ours had heavy steel plates
> that were bolted over the ends of the axle to keep it from coming out
> while being towed down the road.
>
> We worked with slightly smaller but a lot heavier reels in building
> CATV systems.
The trailer we used there was single reel and had a hydraulic tilt
mechanism on the reel holder so you could roll the reel over, put the
axle through and lock it onto the lift and it would lift it up and into
the trailer to the parked position. Several miles of fiber optic cable
per reel.
Pete C.
Except you need to forklift to load the reals on such a trailer, so you
may as well just use the forklift to hold them if you have it anyway.
Michael A. Terrell
Ours didn't have hydrolyics. Four men rolled the spool of coax up
the ramp and used comealongs to pull the axle up the mounts. This was
in the early '80s and the trailers were from the mid '70s. There were
usually dozens of construction workers on a job when a new cable system
was being built so they weren't worried about enough manpower. By the
time I ended up on that system it was 99% built. That just left
extensions and repairs
David Lesher
>>Do you monitor Craig's list? There have been several of these trailers
>>at almost give-away prices in the Bend Oregon list.
>The gas alone from SJO to Bend and back makes it unattractive. But we could
>look locally. I don't know how well it will work; we're trenching through
>woods.
And I just checked CraigsList; I don't see any cheap trailers in
Bend or the Bay area. Either my searching is poor, or someone
was there already.
The big issue with a separate tripod is we'd need to move it
frequently, over bad terrain.
My alterative was something on the 3-point hitch, but then I
realized it was a bit too heavy....
David Lesher
> Ours didn't have hydrolyics. Four men rolled the spool of coax up
>the ramp and used comealongs to pull the axle up the mounts. This was
>in the early '80s and the trailers were from the mid '70s. There were
>usually dozens of construction workers on a job when a new cable system
>was being built so they weren't worried about enough manpower.
We don't have same; people cost $ so if I can leverage the machines, I will.
Michael A. Terrell
David Lesher wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> > Ours didn't have hydrolyics. Four men rolled the spool of coax up
> >the ramp and used comealongs to pull the axle up the mounts. This was
> >in the early '80s and the trailers were from the mid '70s. There were
> >usually dozens of construction workers on a job when a new cable system
> >was being built so they weren't worried about enough manpower.
>
> We don't have same; people cost $ so if I can leverage the machines, I will.
Times change, and the scale of the job has an impact. When you have
a dozen spools leaving the compound every morning it meant that you had
dozens of people at hand. Also, hardline is easy to damage on the
spool. Drop one over on it's side and it will no longer pass the sweep
test. Then you had very expensive rolls of hard to dispose of scrap.
John
> Rich Grise<rich...@example.net> writes:
>
>>> Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
>>> 3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
>
>> Forty FEET wide?
>
> Sorry; the " unit got morphed in cyberspace.
> The reels are about forty inches wide.
Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
rectangular tubing.
John
Michael A. Terrell
It's interesting that I watched the crews build the Road Runner fiber
optic internet backbone along the Central Florida highways around here
for almost a month and never saw one fork lift. The first crew
trenched and buried two colors of plastic conduit. (One for RR, the
other for telephone). Another crew dug holes and installed the
equipment vaults. The next crew pulled in the RR fiber, nd the next
group installed the equipment and terminated the fiber.
Califbill
But a Forklift may not be the best for straddling a trench. Most forks have
a hole or two near the tips for hooking chains or installing hitch balls
too. Just build a channel that will fit over the fork and weld a 1/2 hub to
the channel. Clamp the channel to the fork or if a hole in the tip area of
the fork, drop a pin in to it.
rangerssuck
Good point.
john
I guess they didn't have all the modern technology in Florida.
Learn to use what you have access to or have a big budget to buy or
lease the stuff that is designed especially for the job at hand.
I designed and built a machine to lay cable when I had a job to run a
500 ft line to a new equipment building. It took me a day to build the
machine out of scrap lying around and about 5 minutes to lay the cable
and cover it.
John
Michael A. Terrell
john wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > John wrote:
> >>
> >> David Lesher wrote:
> >>> Rich Grise<rich...@example.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>> Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
> >>>>> 3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.
> >>>
> >>>> Forty FEET wide?
> >>>
> >>> Sorry; the " unit got morphed in cyberspace.
> >>> The reels are about forty inches wide.
> >>
> >> Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
> >> piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
> >> rectangular tubing.
> >
> >
> > It's interesting that I watched the crews build the Road Runner fiber
> > optic internet backbone along the Central Florida highways around here
> > for almost a month and never saw one fork lift. The first crew
> > trenched and buried two colors of plastic conduit. (One for RR, the
> > other for telephone). Another crew dug holes and installed the
> > equipment vaults. The next crew pulled in the RR fiber, nd the next
> > group installed the equipment and terminated the fiber.
> >
> >
>
> I guess they didn't have all the modern technology in Florida.
>
> Learn to use what you have access to or have a big budget to buy or
> lease the stuff that is designed especially for the job at hand.
Find the company they hired and tell 'them' how to do their job.
> I designed and built a machine to lay cable when I had a job to run a
> 500 ft line to a new equipment building. It took me a day to build the
> machine out of scrap lying around and about 5 minutes to lay the cable
> and cover it.
Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
job like that. They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
offer broadband.
What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? The
dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
previoous vault location including under driveways and side roads. The
crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.
The tubing and fiber both had to be fed in as straight of a line as
possible. The only place a forklift could have been used was on the
highway.
David Lesher
>Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
>piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
>rectangular tubing.
Rather hard to change out reels....
Michael A. Terrell
David Lesher wrote:
>
> John <amd...@intergrafix.net> writes:
>
> >Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
> >piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
> >rectangular tubing.
>
> Rather hard to change out reels....
No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
pros use custom trailers. :)
John
>
> David Lesher wrote:
>>
>> John<amd...@intergrafix.net> writes:
>>
>>> Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
>>> piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
>>> rectangular tubing.
>>
>> Rather hard to change out reels....
>
>
> No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
> pros use custom trailers. :)
>
>
You guys have obviously no knowledge of what is called a prong for
forklifts used to move any type of roll or spool with a central hole.
http://www.bremco.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=37
With this device it is a one man operation to move cable rolls, no
come-alongs no manual pushing and shoving. The cable can be held on the
prong and unspooled or could be put on a trailer with the prong.
I suggested making a prong for the rough terrain forklift. The spool
could be held over the ditch and cable played off the spool.
John
John
You have their address?
>
>
>> I designed and built a machine to lay cable when I had a job to run a
>> 500 ft line to a new equipment building. It took me a day to build the
>> machine out of scrap lying around and about 5 minutes to lay the cable
>> and cover it.
>
>
> Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
> job like that.
I was considering using a Ditch Witch but in very sandy soil the ditch
will cave in and you get a mess. The machine I designed and built did
several other projects too. I build the machine for installing wire to
my own building.
> They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
> fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies
>that offer broadband.
>
I am sure that more than one company laid the cable and they all did not
use the same exact method. With a six foot ditch if you don't use
shoring OSHA will have a field day with you. The soil type determines
the method of operation. South Florida is loaded with coral and can be
a real problem digging trenches or even setting electric poles.
John
Michael A. Terrell
That was over 10 years ago. They have moved on to some other part of
the country, but if it bothers you so much, track them down. You think
you know everything, so how hard can it be for you to get that
information from RR?
> >> I designed and built a machine to lay cable when I had a job to run a
> >> 500 ft line to a new equipment building. It took me a day to build the
> >> machine out of scrap lying around and about 5 minutes to lay the cable
> >> and cover it.
> >
> >
> > Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
> > job like that.
>
> I was considering using a Ditch Witch but in very sandy soil the ditch
> will cave in and you get a mess. The machine I designed and built did
> several other projects too. I build the machine for installing wire to
> my own building.
Then you don't know how to use a ditch witch, or which version to do
the job. The bigger versions will pull the conduit or pipe into the
trench as it works. Watch one put a drain pipe to a septic tank some
time. 12 feet deep and hundreds of feet is no problem for them. OTOH,
if you have the smallest version that was made to put a phone or CATV
wire 12 inches into the ground, it's hopeless.
>
> > They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
> > fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies
> >that offer broadband.
> >
> I am sure that more than one company laid the cable and they all did not
> use the same exact method.
Cites?
> With a six foot ditch if you don't use
> shoring OSHA will have a field day with you. The soil type determines
> the method of operation. South Florida is loaded with coral and can be
> a real problem digging trenches or even setting electric poles.
And Cincinnati requires dynamite to make holes for power & phone
poles.
Michael A. Terrell
Moving and safely unspooling with 0% damage are two very different
things. We never had a forklift in the CATV business. Rolls of cable
were rolled down a ramp by hand from the delivery trucks.
David Lesher
> Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
>job like that. They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
>fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
>offer broadband.
> What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? The
>dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
>they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
>the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
>previoous vault location including under driveways and side roads. The
>crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
>of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.
This is literally "over the field and through the woods..."
The Prong looks interesting except the load will be WAY out there.
I worry about CG.
I don't see I'll need to straddle the ditch as much as run parallel to it.
Michael A. Terrell
David Lesher wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? writes:
>
> ? Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
> ?job like that. They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
> ?fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
> ?offer broadband.
>
> ? What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? The
> ?dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
> ?they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
> ?the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
> ?previoous vault location including under driveways and side roads. The
> ?crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
> ?of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.
>
> This is literally "over the field and through the woods..."
>
> The Prong looks interesting except the load will be WAY out there.
> I worry about CG.
>
> I don't see I'll need to straddle the ditch as much as run parallel to it.
Gee. That's why they use multi axle trailers instead of forklifts.
The total weight is spread over a longer and wider base, with less
weight per square inch on the tires. The forklift weighs a lot more
than a trailer, and has a much smaller base. have you ever seen the
results of someone rolling a forklift? It happened in Leesburg Floridda
a few years ago, at one of the juice plants. There was another forklift
accident at a company in Ocala that made mobile home window components.
That accident closed the plant for good.
rangerssuck
wrote:
> David Lesher wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then there's this - not caused by rolling, but a spectacular forklift
fuckup nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ZmOgMlyRE
David Lesher
>> >Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
>> >piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
>> >rectangular tubing.
>>
>> Rather hard to change out reels....
> No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
>pros use custom trailers. :)
My scheme is strightforward. Approach reel, straddle. Adjust fork height,
slide in axle & pin. Lift.
Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
Michael A. Terrell
David Lesher wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >> >Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
> >> >piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
> >> >rectangular tubing.
> >>
> >> Rather hard to change out reels....
>
> > No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
> >pros use custom trailers. :)
>
> My scheme is strightforward. Approach reel, straddle. Adjust fork height,
> slide in axle & pin. Lift.
Do it however you want to. Don't have your relatives complain here
if you kill yorself. I don't want to hear from them that your insurance
refused to pay your damagaes for using a non approved method, either.
> Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
You haven't thought this through, have you? if you want to minimize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
rangerssuck
wrote:
> David Lesher wrote:
> > Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
>
> You haven't thought this through, have you? if you want to minimize
> the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
> it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
A little humor-impaired today?
David Lesher
>> > Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
>>
>> =A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to mini=
>mize
>> the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
>> it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
>A little humor-impaired today?
Indeed.
I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.
A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
some ilk...
Rich Grise
> rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> > Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
>>>
>>> =A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to
>>> mini=
>>mize
>>> the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
>>> it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
>
>>A little humor-impaired today?
>
> Indeed.
>
> I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
> of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
> woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.
>
> A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
> reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
> some ilk...
OK, a few days ago I got chided for suggesting rolling the spool over
the trench - I didn't give a strong enough winkie-smiley to indicate
that I was joking - I knew about the dragging the pipe problem because
of the different radii.
But a coil? Heh, heh, heh - it sounds like you've got the manpower -
why not just unroll it right in the trench? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Gerald Miller
<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> > Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???
>>>
>>> =A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to mini=
>>mize
>>> the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
>>> it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.
>
>>A little humor-impaired today?
>
>Indeed.
>
>I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
>of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
>woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.
>
>A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
>reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
>some ilk...
Just stand the coil up,one foot on each side of the pipe and roll it
like a hoop in front of you. this works unless it is three inch pipe
in late October in a cold climate.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
David Lesher
one direction; the other way can be from that up to 5".
This for the unspooler.
There's a Metals to Go place in Glen Burnie, but they handle AL
and stainless, not mundane stuph. Is there any place similar
that does have steel?
Carl Ijames
channel, and tube. Call and see if they have a drop they can cut for you.
BMG just south of Balt. is good on some things, give them a call too, and
Pennsylvania Steel up in York (they have a truck down here 2-3 days a week).
Those three are where we get most of our steel and stainless, plus Copper
Brass/Thyssen for aluminum. I'll try to check our stock/scrap pile at work
tomorrow to see if we have anything (we are in Laurel, MD).
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David Lesher
both software {ideas} and hardware {steel} donations.
Here's an update. <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun>
So the first plan was a clamp for the forklift tines, to hold
the axle. Powering this was a old York forklift. It loves to
stall, thus you need three feet, not two, on any slope, but.....
But the duct suppliers sabotaged me; both the 1.5" gray and
2" orange arrived on reels too large in diameter for the tine
length. We have fork extensions, but they eat into the spacing
such that the reels wouldn't fit in-between. %^&@#$%
So Plan B adapted an orphaned trailer of unknown parentage. It
has a 7" tall/5" wide I-beam, and a ~6" dia tongue. At some
point, it had a 1_7/8" ball receiver pasted on.
We added vertical 2" sq. stock with 3" dia. pipe couplings
holding the axle. We gusseted it with more 2" sq. stock, and
a few added pieces. {Care to guess we found lying around the
shop?}
The height was an issue. Bitten once, we wanted it big enough to
hold the largest reel we might get. But THAT was ~1" too tall
for the York to lift the reel over the vertical and drop it
down.
The first time, with the gray, we backed the trailer, straddling
the verticals around the reel; then lowered it into place. That
was very tricky considering the York's propensity to stall when
you most needed it.
So to swap to the orange, we flipped the trailer backwards,
rolled the reel out, and rolled the new one in. Then we flipped
the trailer down, carefully. We might have made the rear arms
shorter.
The third gadget was a trailer hitch bar for the Kubota. It
clamps onto its forks, and has 1_7/8", 2" and pintle ring
connections. Originally, we were going to use the pintle hook
adapter seen on the van; but that blocked the balls, and we
needed it on van. So we made a plate for a large clevis pin
that's not shown.
It does tend to slide off the forks, and we might add a arm to
the rear.
Added the photo array are some of the other toys around. The
flatbed is hardly stressed with that PVC pipe. The winch was
used to haul both the yellow trencher, and after it burnt a
valve or two, the rented RT45's, up the slopes. The bulldozer
was not needed, but there were times I'd have loved to have
driven it over the Midmark. Lastly, the IH 3840 would have been
a big help with its 27 ft reach, but it's in need of repairs. To
get some idea of the size of the beast, that's a portrait of
George Washington you can see.
David Lesher
Gunner noted "Big bucket..."
The last four shots show it up and about today after 5+ years
out in a field. Next step is some cylinder rebuilds...including
the two outriggers & the main one in the arm.
When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....
Ignoramus2960
David Lesher
>The page was not found
Bob Engelhardt
> Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
> Gunner noted "Big bucket..."
>
> Here's an update. <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun>
> The last four shots show it up and about today after 5+ years
> out in a field. Next step is some cylinder rebuilds...including
> the two outriggers & the main one in the arm.
>
> When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....
running? Or was all this covered in another thread?
dpb
> Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
> When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....
puppy...
<http://www.bigbrutus.org/about.html>
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<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>Ignoramus2960 <ignora...@NOSPAM.2960.invalid> writes:
>
>>The page was not found
>
>More Googlegrief... Try <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2>
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David Lesher
>> When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....
>Why would anybody let it sit for 5 years? What did it take to
>get it running? Or was all this covered in another thread?
it. There was no immediate need for it; the new owner bought a
Kubota 4400; smaller but far easier to use. Further, there are
2 other backhoes in the "family"; a large Chinese one [PITA] & a
8N-based one....as well as the bulldozers and grader.
However, time has shown that at times "size matters" & so the
MWM [mechanic welder & machinist] neighbor started working on
while waiting on 8N parts. It needed a starter rebuild and new
ignition switch to run. Now that it's mobile; next stop is the
drive it to the shop for brakes, and cylinder rebuilds on the
main boom and the outriggers...It will also need tires.
David Lesher
>>More Googlegrief... Try <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2>
>A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.
trouble with a beast that size...4WD to boot.
Larry Jaques
<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>
>>>More Googlegrief... Try <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2>
>
>>A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.
>
>Not mine but I'll get to play with it. A guy can make a lot of
>trouble with a beast that size...
>4WD to boot.
Yeah, I saw the axles and knew she could go wherever. I watched a
little Deere (9360 IIRC) push over some rotted stumps last month and
was amazed at how strong the little guy was. Jayzuss, 1/4mil price?
<thud>
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et...@whidbey.com
<wb8...@panix.com> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> writes:
>
>>>More Googlegrief... Try <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2>
>
>>A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.
>
>Not mine but I'll get to play with it. A guy can make a lot of
>trouble with a beast that size...4WD to boot.
I paid 5 grand for a pretty worn out machine. It's a CK 745. Anyway,
it did the septic system just fine. The county said it was one of the
best systems they had seen. The machine still works well and I was
using it just a few days ago to move a bunch of dirt. I dug all my
water, phone line and power ditches with it. Buried my neighbor's
horse with it. It will did a ditch 14 feet deep according to the
manual but the depest I have dug is 11 feet. For the horse.
ERic
Gunner Asch
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>Ignoramus2960 <ignora...@NOSPAM.2960.invalid> writes:
>
>>The page was not found
>
>More Googlegrief... Try <http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2>
Gunner
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It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
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such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".