Cleaning up the shop
Gunner Asch
Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
Before...
http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
After...errr..during
http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/Shop#
Going back out in just a few minutes. There is slightly more than 1' of
water on the other side of that roll up door at the moment. I tarped the
bottom of it Monday..back filled with dirt. and its holding ok. Tommorow
I fire up one of the 1 1/2" pumps Ive got and empty the end of the drive
way. We have lots and lots more rain coming.
Since they closed the Grapevine (snow)..I cant get down to LA..so...time
to get stuff done. <G>
Gunner
The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
existence.
- It is NOT fiscally responsible.
- It is NOT ethically honorable.
- It has started wars based on lies.
- It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires.
- It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties.
- It has foisted a liar as president upon America.
- It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties.
- It has refused to enforce the national borders.
...It no longer has valid reasons to exist.
Lorad474
Beryl
> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>
>
> Before...
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
What a dump!
http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5419255385273545042
Gunner Asch
Ayup..sure was. Id taken in a BUNCH of stuff from a factory Id shut down
and was selling and giving as much stuff away as I could, as fast as I
could. Got it cleaned up pretty good too!.
Then I closed down ANOTHER factory...sigh..and it looks almost as
bad..though not quite.
Gunner
pyotr filipivich
about Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:25:49 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
You gotta quit closing down them factories -you haven't got enough
room.
I blame global warming.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
pyotr filipivich
Jan 2010 22:52:04 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Arrghhh! This is not to be tolerated - he left a chisel leaning
on the cutting edge! I just hope it's not on metal or concrete. Not
so bad if it is resting on wood.
http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5410170060566929394
B-) I know "can't remember everything." Blame it on the stroke.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Let the Record show that Beryl <fo...@road.net> on or about Wed, 20
>Jan 2010 22:52:04 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in
>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
>>> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>>>
>>>
>>> Before...
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
>>
>>What a dump!
>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5419255385273545042
>
> Arrghhh! This is not to be tolerated - he left a chisel leaning
>on the cutting edge! I just hope it's not on metal or concrete. Not
>so bad if it is resting on wood.
>
>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5410170060566929394
Yeegads! You are correct! Ill remedy it immediately!
Rush!!
Zoom!
Slam!
griblegriblegribleglot!
Slam!
stompstompstomp
Whew! Thanks dude! I almost lost the edge on that thing!
Well done Sir..well done indeed!!!
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
>about Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:25:49 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:52:04 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
>>>> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before...
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
>>>
>>>What a dump!
>>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5419255385273545042
>>
>>
>>Ayup..sure was. Id taken in a BUNCH of stuff from a factory Id shut down
>>and was selling and giving as much stuff away as I could, as fast as I
>>could. Got it cleaned up pretty good too!.
>>
>>Then I closed down ANOTHER factory...sigh..and it looks almost as
>>bad..though not quite.
>
> You gotta quit closing down them factories -you haven't got enough
>room.
Frankly,,...you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately...I got a
shitload of that stuff in lue of pay. They didnt have enough money to
pay a crew..so they coughed up some cash for me..and gave me bunch of
shit they had that I thought I could make some money on.
Anyone need a complete 15-18" tool post grinder? Dumore, with all tha
accessories in the case. Great! Condition.
Probably gonna put it on ebay one of these days. Sigh.
All those 8' florescent fixtures Ive been putting up..and the 5 cases of
4' and 8' brand new tubes...have come in handy... Well..about half of
them have...sigh....welding machines, etc etc etc.
When the people living in California dont have any money..they cant buy
Stuff from me. They cant give me money..I cant pay all the bills on
time. Sucks.
Local jobs..about $9 an hour. Right. Might work for a young single
guy...but aint gonna do me much good.
Gunner
Ignoramus18274
> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>
>
> Before...
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
Looks pretty organized to me.
What is that on monitors on picture 17?
Steve B
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:r97gl5tkhe9hojmva...@4ax.com...
So, YOU'RE the one who's been closing down all the factories! Do you know a
guy they call Dubya?
IT'S A GODDAM CONSPIRACY, I TELL YA.
Steve
Steve B
"Beryl" <fo...@road.net> wrote in message
news:M5SdnXAP96y4ZcrW...@posted.toastnet...
Yabbut, I bet he knows exactly where everything is. Unlike me who has an
orderly shop and can't find shit. I don't trust anyone with a clean desk or
shop.
Steve
F. George McDuffee
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
<snip a bunch of good stuff>
>> You gotta quit closing down them factories -you haven't got enough
>>room.
>
>Frankly,,...you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately...I got a
>shitload of that stuff in lue of pay. They didnt have enough money to
>pay a crew..so they coughed up some cash for me..and gave me bunch of
>shit they had that I thought I could make some money on.
===============
While anecdotal "evidence," it is all we are likely to get.
The media has made it clear that California has serious
socio-economic problems, but postings such as this indicate that
their troubles go far deeper and are more serious than commonly
reported. One of the major symptoms of a "sick" economy is a
significant shift of economic activity to the
underground/unofficial sector. A klaxon horn goes off when even
the underground/unofficial economy begins to change from cash to
barter transactions.
We now appear to be in the first stages of such a change [thanks
for the "heads up" Gunner].
FWIW -- it should be noted that once a plant is liquidated, the
employees are dispersed, the tools and machines sold, and the
building/land converted to other uses, those jobs and
manufacturing capabilities "ain't comin' back," no matter how
much "stimulus" money is spent. This is a one-way street, short
of total reconstruction/re-creation, and even then the
trained/experienced manpower will not be available. An example
of this was the severe shortage of "rough necks"/"floor workers"
during the last U. S. oil boomlet a few years ago.
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.18274.invalid> wrote:
>On 2010-01-21, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
>> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>>
>>
>> Before...
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
>
>Looks pretty organized to me.
>
>What is that on monitors on picture 17?
Dirt? Those are monitors Ive not had the time to test yet. They came
out of one of the factories and I dont have a clue if they work or not.
I think they do..but..shrug.
If they do, Ill give them away to people who need em.
Ive given hummm..probably 25 computers complete, away in the last 6
months, after wiping them and installing a modified Windows. Not a lot
of money locally..and folks can always use computers for free.
Shrug.
Gunner Asch
He retired over a year ago. There is a new guy in charge these
days...Barney or Barry or something or other. Doesnt have a clue what
he is doing either.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.
The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most places
its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?) Valley..its
almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and going south,
back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im down in LA/Santa Ana
etc etc.
A good indicator of the trouble we are in..is normal everyday traffic on
the So. Cal freeways. It used to take me 1.5 hours to drive from
Ontario down to Costa Mesa..and during the 4:45-7:30pm rush/crush..up to
3 hours.
Now it takes me 45 minutes to make the 45 mile trip. During the evening
crush...it takes 1-1.25 hours.
That means there is a significant amount LESS traffic on the roadways.
And that means a significant amount of people simply have no reason to
be on those freeways. In California..its common as hell to work 50 miles
away from ones home..and drive it twice a day.
Even truck traffic is way down. Ive been doing this for over 12 yrs,
and have a good feel for traffic ...and it appears to be at least 1/3
smaller than Ive ever seen it.
Last report I read...Michigan was #1, and California was #3 on the worst
hit states of the Great Depression Part Deux.
California, once a state that had the 7th largest economy in the world.
Is now down around 25th or even lower.
Thats why I dont bother leaving the homestead unless I can get at
minumum 2 jobs lined up. I simply cannot affort to drive the 140 miles
down to LA, and then return. Hell..last two weeks I spend down there,
because not one of my customers paid me COD and had to wait for one of
them to cut me a check so I could get enough fuel to drive back north.
I have my travel trailer parked on a friends property, so it doesnt cost
anything to stay there but there is no water, sewage and damned little
electricity. And without money..there is no food either. My dogs get
to eat before I do. Fortunately Ive got the homestead pretty well
stocked food wise..but when down in So. Cal....shrug
And I dont see it getting any better either. As long as the media is
leftwing controlled..we are not going to see whats actually happening.
They are going to water it down and "prevent panic"
Shrug
We do indeed live in interesting times.
F. George McDuffee
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
<snip>
>A good indicator of the trouble we are in..is normal everyday traffic on
>the So. Cal freeways. It used to take me 1.5 hours to drive from
>Ontario down to Costa Mesa..and during the 4:45-7:30pm rush/crush..up to
>3 hours.
>
>Now it takes me 45 minutes to make the 45 mile trip. During the evening
>crush...it takes 1-1.25 hours.
>
>That means there is a significant amount LESS traffic on the roadways.
>And that means a significant amount of people simply have no reason to
>be on those freeways. In California..its common as hell to work 50 miles
>away from ones home..and drive it twice a day.
>
>Even truck traffic is way down. Ive been doing this for over 12 yrs,
>and have a good feel for traffic ...and it appears to be at least 1/3
>smaller than Ive ever seen it.
================
Seems like a "no brainer" to install traffic counters on
"strategic" routes such as the major interstates to monitor
traffic flow, as a reliable real-time indicator of economic
activity, which is why it was/is apparently never done. A second
indicator would be consumption data for electrical power.
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
John R. Carroll
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>> A good indicator of the trouble we are in..is normal everyday
>> traffic on the So. Cal freeways. It used to take me 1.5 hours to
>> drive from Ontario down to Costa Mesa..and during the 4:45-7:30pm
>> rush/crush..up to 3 hours.
>>
>> Now it takes me 45 minutes to make the 45 mile trip. During the
>> evening crush...it takes 1-1.25 hours.
>>
>> That means there is a significant amount LESS traffic on the
>> roadways. And that means a significant amount of people simply have
>> no reason to be on those freeways. In California..its common as hell
>> to work 50 miles away from ones home..and drive it twice a day.
>>
>> Even truck traffic is way down. Ive been doing this for over 12 yrs,
>> and have a good feel for traffic ...and it appears to be at least 1/3
>> smaller than Ive ever seen it.
> <snip>
> ================
> Seems like a "no brainer" to install traffic counters on
> "strategic" routes such as the major interstates to monitor
> traffic flow, as a reliable real-time indicator of economic
> activity, which is why it was/is apparently never done. A second
> indicator would be consumption data for electrical power.
CHP used to have real time traffic flow information that the public could
view on line George.
I don't know if they do today or not but they know exactly what is happening
because the regulate the inflow of traffic to the freeway system
dynamically.
--
John R. Carroll
John R. Carroll
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>> A good indicator of the trouble we are in..is normal everyday
>> traffic on the So. Cal freeways. It used to take me 1.5 hours to
>> drive from Ontario down to Costa Mesa..and during the 4:45-7:30pm
>> rush/crush..up to 3 hours.
>>
>> Now it takes me 45 minutes to make the 45 mile trip. During the
>> evening crush...it takes 1-1.25 hours.
>>
>> That means there is a significant amount LESS traffic on the
>> roadways. And that means a significant amount of people simply have
>> no reason to be on those freeways. In California..its common as hell
>> to work 50 miles away from ones home..and drive it twice a day.
>>
>> Even truck traffic is way down. Ive been doing this for over 12 yrs,
>> and have a good feel for traffic ...and it appears to be at least 1/3
>> smaller than Ive ever seen it.
> <snip>
> ================
> Seems like a "no brainer" to install traffic counters on
> "strategic" routes such as the major interstates to monitor
> traffic flow, as a reliable real-time indicator of economic
> activity, which is why it was/is apparently never done. A second
> indicator would be consumption data for electrical power.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/traffic/
http://www.highwayconditions.com/ca.htm
http://oasis.caiso.com/mrtu-oasis/
Sheesh
--
John R. Carroll
Steve B
"F. George McDuffee" <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote
An example
> of this was the severe shortage of "rough necks"/"floor workers"
> during the last U. S. oil boomlet a few years ago.
>
>
> Unka George (George McDuffee)
I worked as a crane operator on a drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico. The
starter job roustabouts (laborers) in my crew could take classes, and move
up to the floor for about $200 a week more. Most took it, but some didn't
want anything close to that floor. A good "hand" (worker) takes a while to
train, and IF they don't get mangled first, figure out fast that it ain't
all it's put up to be on TV. Cold. Wet. Dirty filthy work. They then may
go up to pump man, derrick man, or even driller or mud man.
It's hard to find men who are willing to put up with conditions like that
even for what they pay. Which is pretty decent, yet with the disruptive
on/off scheduling, and working two weeks out of four, it doesn't add up to
as much as a decent job onshore. And then there's going away from wife and
kids for a week or more at a time.
I'm speaking of the time frame I was there from '74 to '80 when it was like
Gold Rush Days, and jobs were plentiful.
Never knew who would show up, who would stay, who would get hurt, so you
just managed from there and did the best with what you had to work with.
It's very easy to lose body parts on a drill floor. The heavy metal is
unforgiving, and everything is heavy.
And today, it is VERY difficult to find people who want to work HARD. I'd
underscore HARD, but can't. It's hard to comprehend unless you've been
there.
Steve
Gunner Asch
Ive worked floor, derricks, mud and pits
Ive worked workover and drilling
Some rigs work harder than others..I always liked working with old guys.
I learned a hell of a lot more about getting the job done, but not
breaking ones back or losing a body part, then I ever did with a young
crew.
And yes...its Hard work.
And Ive bailed out of the derrick of a triple on the safety wire, with
the rig starting to blow and burn behind me.
Hawke
===============
> While anecdotal "evidence," it is all we are likely to get.
>
> The media has made it clear that California has serious
> socio-economic problems, but postings such as this indicate that
> their troubles go far deeper and are more serious than commonly
> reported. One of the major symptoms of a "sick" economy is a
> significant shift of economic activity to the
> underground/unofficial sector. A klaxon horn goes off when even
> the underground/unofficial economy begins to change from cash to
> barter transactions.
>
> We now appear to be in the first stages of such a change [thanks
> for the "heads up" Gunner].
>
> FWIW -- it should be noted that once a plant is liquidated, the
> employees are dispersed, the tools and machines sold, and the
> building/land converted to other uses, those jobs and
> manufacturing capabilities "ain't comin' back," no matter how
> much "stimulus" money is spent. This is a one-way street, short
> of total reconstruction/re-creation, and even then the
> trained/experienced manpower will not be available. An example
> of this was the severe shortage of "rough necks"/"floor workers"
> during the last U. S. oil boomlet a few years ago.
Yes indeed, it's the free market at work and you have to love it. The
irony is that for years I heard nothing from the right wing but how
great the free market is and how capitalism is the greatest system in
the world. Yeah, it is when your country has economic domination of the
world. But now as China is passing Japan as the world's number two
economy and is growing at 10% the U.S. is losing it's preeminent
economic position. As our economic position declines and as other
countries rise and pass us up it creates a vicious cycle in this
country. The examples of these factories closing and people being put
out of work are more and more common. As the workers struggle to find
replacement jobs they only find worse and lower paying jobs. This trend
sends the entire population in a downward spiral with the living
standards going too. But that is just how the free market works.
Somebody has to lose. Whenever a new country takes over the lead in
economic activity the former leader declines. Sometimes the decline is
severe and sometimes it's permanent with the former economic powerhouse
being turned into a poor country. That's what is happening to us. We're
declining. It's easy to see and to measure. That's how the free market
works though, right? There are a few winners and a lot of losers. It was
great when we were the economic winners. It's not so fun anymore when
we're losing is it? But that is what you have to accept in a free
market. Most players lose just like in Vegas. As long as we're sticking
with the free market we better start getting used to it. Maybe it'll
turn around in time for your children or grandchildren to see things
improve. Maybe not though.
Hawke
Hawke
Yeah, he's nothing like the other guy we had before. Praise Allah.
Hawke
F. George McDuffee
<nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
<snip>
>> Seems like a "no brainer" to install traffic counters on
>> "strategic" routes such as the major interstates to monitor
>> traffic flow, as a reliable real-time indicator of economic
>> activity, which is why it was/is apparently never done. A second
>> indicator would be consumption data for electrical power.
>
>http://www.dot.ca.gov/traffic/
>http://www.highwayconditions.com/ca.htm
>http://oasis.caiso.com/mrtu-oasis/
>
>Sheesh
Unfortunately the data provided on these URLs seems to be the
"average speed" of traffic rather than actual vehicle counts.
However the average speed as a proxy for traffic density appears
to be able to give some insight *IF* the historical data is
available going back say 5 years, with fixed times or time
periods, e.g 8AM, 9AM, 10AM to noon, 4PM, etc. for specific fixed
locations to allow examination of the trends and to establish the
[possible] correlation with employment and other economic
activity measures such as GDSP [gross domestic state product].
I have submitted a request for the historical data to CalTrans.
I will keep the group updated on any progress/results.
John R. Carroll
You just have to root around a little George.
It's all there.
The same is true for the Cal ISO information.
The DOE site also has a lot of current and historical data and all of the
above allow .csv or Excel downloads so you can have a field day if you want.
I went through this excercise when gas hit $4.00.
--
John R. Carroll
rangerssuck
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:01:23 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>
> shitload of that stuff in lue of pay. They didnt have enough money to
> pay a crew..so they coughed up some cash for me..and gave me bunch of
> shit they had that I thought I could make some money on.
>
> Anyone need a complete 15-18" tool post grinder? Dumore, with all tha
> accessories in the case. Great! Condition.
>
> Probably gonna put it on ebay one of these days. Sigh.
>
> All those 8' florescent fixtures Ive been putting up..and the 5 cases of
> 4' and 8' brand new tubes...have come in handy... Well..about half of
> them have...sigh....welding machines, etc etc etc.
>
> When the people living in California dont have any money..they cant buy
> Stuff from me. They cant give me money..I cant pay all the bills on
> time. Sucks.
>
> Local jobs..about $9 an hour. Right. Might work for a young single
> guy...but aint gonna do me much good.
>
> Gunner
FYI, All that "free" stuff is totally taxable as far as the IRS is
concerned.
John R. Carroll
Why do you think he doesn't use Ebay?
--
John R. Carroll
IanM
How do you assess the value of a barter transaction for tax purposes
until someone finally resells their side of it?
--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & >32K emails --> NUL:
John R. Carroll
I can tell you how the State of California does it.
They just plop down a big number based on average earnings in various
categories and replacement value.
Then they sieze and sell everything.
Anyone on the other side of the bartered arrangement is liable if the
Franchise Tax Board or State Board of Equalization thinks they knew or
should have known what was going on. At that point, they start going through
those assets and they don't ask politely. They lien and levy. There were a
lot of small tool and die shops in the LA area that converted to 100 percent
contract work. When the guys that worked for them didn't pay their taxes,
those shops suddenly found their bank accounts lighted by the full amount of
witholding at single zero. I know one guy that had to close up. A father and
two son operation. I worked with one of the sons a couple years after the
event.
The State of California can, and does, go where the money is and lets the
party's sort things out in court later.
--
John R. Carroll
Uhh Clem
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:7bKdnUvkjb0iT8XW...@giganews.com...
Too bad the health care industry hasn't yet been able to forcefully recover
at least some of the money that's gone to waste in keeping the fucking
crooked dirt bag alive.
--
Gunner Asch
Oh...dont worry. I just got a summons from the hospital that did my
bypass. They did drop the price by $50,000 down to $75,000. Nothing yet
on the stroke costs though.
Ive already started bankruptcy proceedings. A very legal way to get out
from under the debt load. Democrats do that all the time.
After all..I did gross a big..big big $18,000 in 2009.
$2008, I grossed a big...big..big $32,000
Shrug..but then..Im better off than many here in California. My house is
paid for as are my vehicles and all my tools etc etc. I dont own a
credit card and havent for many years.
And my house has been assessed as being worth $34,000.
But hey...if you guys really want to push it..go ahead and take
everything, then Ill simply go on welfare and make MORE money AND have
you guys pay for my housing, my food, my medical for the future and so
forth. Its up to you. At the moment..Im self supporting, and I support
the ex except for her medical..which is up to about $2 million so far.
Oh..did I mention that my costs in 2008 were $29,000? Before food of
course.
And my costs in 2009 were $17,000 not counting food or that $275,000
very unexpected medical bill.
But hey...I understand that your old pal Pelosi has been hiring illegal
aliens to work at the vinyard she and her hubby own. And they all get
free medical via the welfare department. In fact..virtually ALL wetbacks
get free medical. Somewhere around $2.4 Billion dollars worth here in
California.
Shrug..thats why I became a Democrat last year. Democrats take care of
each other and excuse all sorts of things. Im going to have my DNC ward
healer take you to court for picking on a Democrat.
Was there anything else you evil bastard money grubbing capitalist scum
wish to discuss?
<VBG>
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<yeahsure...@msnmail.com> wrote:
>Too bad the health care industry hasn't yet been able to forcefully recover
>at least some of the money that's gone to waste in keeping the fucking
>crooked dirt bag alive.
Oh..Im curious..which Leftwinger were you referring to?
It should be noted that the prisons are filled with Democrat crooked
dirtbags..so I was simply wondering.......
pyotr filipivich
One notices the things one is most familiar with.
I have a collection of photos taken at tech school "What's wrong
with this picture?" Pop can held in the chuck by the rim, wrenches
left in the chuck - all the things the instructor said we shouldn't
do.
Gerald Miller
An empty bench, like an empty desk is a sign of an empty brain!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Don Foreman
<nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>CHP used to have real time traffic flow information that the public could
>view on line George.
>I don't know if they do today or not but they know exactly what is happening
>because the regulate the inflow of traffic to the freeway system
>dynamically.
Wouldn't that be CALTRANS rather than CHP?
Don Foreman
<desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>>> Before...
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
>>
>> What a dump!
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5419255385273545042
>
>Yabbut, I bet he knows exactly where everything is.
I resemble that remark.
Some years ago my dear wife said, "Foreman, I cannot abide the mess in
the garage". My reply was, "then you should avoid it, my Dear." I
prefer to regard it as an "object rich environment". And yes, I do
know exactly where everything is.
Steve B
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:40:36 -0800, "Uhh Clem"
> <yeahsure...@msnmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Too bad the health care industry hasn't yet been able to forcefully
>>recover
>>at least some of the money that's gone to waste in keeping the fucking
>>crooked dirt bag alive.
>
>
> Oh..Im curious..which Leftwinger were you referring to?
>
> It should be noted that the prisons are filled with Democrat crooked
> dirtbags..so I was simply wondering.......
>
> Gunner
My heart work was about $200k, and my out of pocket was about $4k. I figure
it was money I had paid into the system, and it was as good spent on me as
someone illegally in the country. And nobody is dunning me for money. I
still have a damn good Rx plan, too. But who knows how long it will last.
I hope two weeks longer than I do.
Steve
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
So how should a pop can be held in a chuck?
Being aluminum, one assumes that even a 6 jaw would be a bit much, ?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
I had to let my medical insurance go in October...3 months before I had
the heart attack. I went to the Bakersfield Heart Hospital in November
with some odd feelings in my chest..and they told me I had bronchitis.
It was actually a warning for the heart attack 3 months later.
Now they are trying to get me to pay them $8,000 for a single visit that
lasted entry to exit..and most of it sitting in the waiting room..4
hours.
When their bill collector called me Monday..I told them Id not decided
to pay the bill as yet. Not until I got word for how much I could sue
them for, for malpractice. I told them Id pay them out of the final
settlement. The gal coughed hard..sucked air..and told me "Thank you for
doing business with us. I dont think we will be calling you again".
Shrug..maybe I can sue them for a quarter million dollars and then pay
everybody off.
Ive since heard that such misdiagnosis from them, when you come in
without insurance...didnt even see a doctor..but a DA...is fairly
common.
cavelamb
gently!
> Being aluminum, one assumes that even a 6 jaw would be a bit much, ?
>
> Gunner
>
--
Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."
Steve B
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
>
> Ive since heard that such misdiagnosis from them, when you come in
> without insurance...didnt even see a doctor..but a DA...is fairly
> common.
>
>
> Gunner
Looks like those DA's are getting as expensive as MD's.
Steve
Michael A. Terrell
And unopened.
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
F. George McDuffee
>
>The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most places
>its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?) Valley..its
>almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and going south,
>back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im down in LA/Santa Ana
>etc etc.
============
While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
unemployment rate continues to increase.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/01/18/daily77.html
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/real_estate/archives/2010/01/california-unem-3.html
and several other media sites.
Steve B
"F. George McDuffee" <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote in message
news:vkpjl5l5bbel1gtic...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>>George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.
>>
>>The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most places
>>its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?) Valley..its
>>almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and going south,
>>back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im down in LA/Santa Ana
>>etc etc.
> ============
> While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
> rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
> workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
> included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
> unemployment rate continues to increase.
> http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/01/18/daily77.html
> http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/real_estate/archives/2010/01/california-unem-3.html
> and several other media sites.
>
>
> Unka George (George McDuffee)
It all depends on where you ask. Just like those polls they hold at exits
of democratic fund raisers. I'd imagine they'd say the unemployment rate is
much much lower. There are just so many ways to count it.
Steve
John R. Carroll
The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.
--
John R. Carroll
wmbjk...@citlink.net
It could be because he wants to hide his income, but it might be
because he doesn't have a credit card or Paypal account. Hard to get
either of those without a bank account, which a lot of deadbeats like
gummer don't have for fear that any money they deposit, even
temporarily, will get snarfed up by creditors.
>> If the IRS wants a flat rate box of cats, I'm sure Gunner will oblige.
>> How do you assess the value of a barter transaction for tax purposes
>> until someone finally resells their side of it?
>
>I can tell you how the State of California does it.
>They just plop down a big number based on average earnings in various
>categories and replacement value.
>Then they sieze and sell everything.
>Anyone on the other side of the bartered arrangement is liable if the
>Franchise Tax Board or State Board of Equalization thinks they knew or
>should have known what was going on. At that point, they start going through
>those assets and they don't ask politely. They lien and levy. There were a
>lot of small tool and die shops in the LA area that converted to 100 percent
>contract work. When the guys that worked for them didn't pay their taxes,
>those shops suddenly found their bank accounts lighted by the full amount of
>witholding at single zero. I know one guy that had to close up. A father and
>two son operation. I worked with one of the sons a couple years after the
>event.
>
>The State of California can, and does, go where the money is and lets the
>party's sort things out in court later.
Then they won't waste much time on gummer. Most of the stuff he drags
home was destined for the dumpster for good reason. Society's best
chance of forcing him to pay his fair share is to mine his subsistence
lifestyle by taxing mountain dew, tobacco, monster, and junk food, at
100%. Beyond that they could they could get what he's supposed to be
paying in property taxes, by charging him a nickel for each Usenet
post. :-)
Wayne
Uhh Clem
> But hey...I understand that your old pal Pelosi has been hiring illegal
> aliens to work at the vinyard she and her hubby own. And they all get
Pelosi is not my pal but if the fact that others percieve you as being a tax
dodging leech and conniving weasel then maybe you should consider getting a
real job even if it's only part time.
BTW pretty sure I just recently heard the vineyards are currently hiring...
> free medical via the welfare department. In fact..virtually ALL wetbacks
> get free medical. Somewhere around $2.4 Billion dollars worth here in
> California.
>
> Shrug..thats why I became a Democrat last year. Democrats take care of
> each other and excuse all sorts of things. Im going to have my DNC ward
> healer take you to court for picking on a Democrat.
>
You're a lazy fucking douchebag who refuses to do an honest day's work--and
this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever political affiliation you to
currently claim to have aligned yourself with.
Steve B
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
news:sv-dnRjLIL9md8TW...@giganews.com...
No, John. You are very wrong. What IS important is if YOU (not you
specifically, but aimed at every person who reads this) are working. To me,
that's what's important.
And on that point, people who are adaptable and who will change are doing
better. Those guys who only will install left front Ford fenders and won't
do anything else are hurting. The guys who are willing to make something
else happen are generally doing better.
Some of the work I do now I'm not particularly fond of, but I have never had
an emotion to turn down the money. ;-)
Steve
Steve B
"Uhh Clem" <yeahsure...@msnmail.com>
> BTW pretty sure I just recently heard the vineyards are currently
> hiring...
>
Yabbut, Ms. Pelosi only used illegals there. Has for a long long time.
Also in her inns.
>
> You're a lazy fucking douchebag who refuses to do an honest day's
> work--and this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever political
> affiliation you to currently claim to have aligned yourself with.
We are all dealt a hand. Some people just play them better than others.
And once you're good, you can make more in a good hour than you used to make
in a whole day.
One day, you may be good, too. That's what built America.
Steve
Gunner Asch
<yeahsure...@msnmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:3vmhl5tr23p4sjgdd...@4ax.com...>
>> But hey...I understand that your old pal Pelosi has been hiring illegal
>> aliens to work at the vinyard she and her hubby own. And they all get
>
>Pelosi is not my pal but if the fact that others percieve you as being a tax
>dodging leech and conniving weasel then maybe you should consider getting a
>real job even if it's only part time.
Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
longer afford medical insurance.
>
>BTW pretty sure I just recently heard the vineyards are currently hiring...
The closest vinyard is 56 miles away, and they pay minimum wage. Driving
to and from the job would eat up the vast majority of the $200 a week Id
make and would interfere with the occasional calls from my customers for
service..which tend to be in the order of $200 each. After all..we
should be on the path to recovery right? We should be getting more and
more machine orders and the economy is growing..right? <snicker>..after
all..the Democrats said things are getting better, no? That means more
of my clients will be needing service again, right? Well..except for
the nearly 2 dozen that are now empty buildings....right?
>
>> free medical via the welfare department. In fact..virtually ALL wetbacks
>> get free medical. Somewhere around $2.4 Billion dollars worth here in
>> California.
>>
>> Shrug..thats why I became a Democrat last year. Democrats take care of
>> each other and excuse all sorts of things. Im going to have my DNC ward
>> healer take you to court for picking on a Democrat.
>>
>
>You're a lazy fucking douchebag who refuses to do an honest day's work--and
>this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever political affiliation you to
>currently claim to have aligned yourself with.
>
Your opinion, that of a far leftwing extremist fringe kooker is noted
with amused contempt. And as such, means absolutely nothing.
>>
>> Was there anything else you evil bastard money grubbing capitalist scum
>> wish to discuss?
Nothing more?
Now piss off and go get your daily injection of DNC propaganda via the
USB plug in the back of your skull.
Keep this up, and I, who am not a white person..will start pointing out
your racism loudly and broadly.
Gunner
>>
>
>
Mark Rand
>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:58:43 -0800, "Steve B"
><desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:r97gl5tkhe9hojmva...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:52:04 -0800, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> This is what Ive spent the last couple days doing..then it flooded.
>>>>> Shrug. Only a couple inches deep though as it passed through
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Before...
>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#
>>>>
>>>>What a dump!
>>>>http://picasaweb.google.com/gunnerasch/GunnersShop#5419255385273545042
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayup..sure was. Id taken in a BUNCH of stuff from a factory Id shut down
>>> and was selling and giving as much stuff away as I could, as fast as I
>>> could. Got it cleaned up pretty good too!.
>>>
>>> Then I closed down ANOTHER factory...sigh..and it looks almost as
>>> bad..though not quite.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>So, YOU'RE the one who's been closing down all the factories! Do you know a
>>guy they call Dubya?
>>
>>IT'S A GODDAM CONSPIRACY, I TELL YA.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>He retired over a year ago. There is a new guy in charge these
>days...Barney or Barry or something or other. Doesnt have a clue what
>he is doing either.
>
>Gunner
>
>
Last I heard, the new guy had got the old guy a job as an illegal alien
serving food in Haiti, or some-such :-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
Gunner Asch
Indeed they certainly appear to be.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:07:03 -0800, "Uhh Clem"
><yeahsure...@msnmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:3vmhl5tr23p4sjgdd...@4ax.com...>
>>> But hey...I understand that your old pal Pelosi has been hiring illegal
>>> aliens to work at the vinyard she and her hubby own. And they all get
>>
>>Pelosi is not my pal but if the fact that others percieve you as being a tax
>>dodging leech and conniving weasel then maybe you should consider getting a
>>real job even if it's only part time.
>
>Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
>destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops.
If your pennilessness is so recent, then how come you have a nearly 3
decade record of dodging creditors? http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp
http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3 If you had a full time job up until lately,
then how come you've never been able to afford to pay property taxes
even when they were <$200 per year?
> I could have continued
>insurance payments for another few months..
You had insurance in the same way that you have "acreage".
>but I would have been living
>in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
>now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
>longer afford medical insurance.
No, you're one of the dedicated deadbeats who prefer to blame
everybody else.
>>BTW pretty sure I just recently heard the vineyards are currently hiring...
>
>The closest vinyard is 56 miles away, and they pay minimum wage. Driving
>to and from the job would eat up the vast majority of the $200 a week Id
>make and would interfere with the occasional calls from my customers
My gawd, your excuses are soooo pathetic and ludicrous. If you really
want to work then swear off your keyboard for good. Otherwise, learn
to enjoy ridicule.
Wayne
Gunner Asch
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:48:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
><snip>
>>
>>George....California claims to have +10% unemployment.
>>
>>The fact of the matter is that its well over double that. Most places
>>its at least ..at least 16%. Someplaces..the Salinus (sp?) Valley..its
>>almost 50%. Hell..even the wetbacks are packing up and going south,
>>back to Mexico. I see them headed south whenever Im down in LA/Santa Ana
>>etc etc.
>============
>While 50% seems high, clearly the actual under and unemployment
>rate is *MUCH* than the official numbers when the discouraged
>workers [those whose unemployment benefits have runout] are
>included. Indeed from the following news items, the "official"
>unemployment rate continues to increase.
>http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/01/18/daily77.html
>http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/real_estate/archives/2010/01/california-unem-3.html
>and several other media sites.
And to be realistic..double those figures.
So California has a 24% unemployment rate, DC has nearly 26% and so
forth.
As I recall..the single worst year of the Great Depression had a 35%
unemployment rate..but 57% of the population lived on farms...where
today..its 11%
Most of the Great Depression carried a 27% unemplyment rate +/-
It would appear that we are nearing rapidly..the Great Depression Part
Deux. Hell..we are already there.
And the slide continues ever downward. With no end in sight.
>
>
>Unka George (George McDuffee)
>..............................
>The past is a foreign country;
>they do things differently there.
>L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
>The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
Hawke
And the one thing they both have in common is they were both caused by
the republicans. They did the same anti government business deregulation
scheme in 1920 and again in 2001 and the results were the same in both
cases. First a period of a boom in business followed by a terrible bust.
It took 11 years and a world war to end the first one. No telling how
long it'll take to end this one. One thing is for sure, if the
republicans are put back in power it will take a lot longer.
Hawke
Hawke
> Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
> destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
> Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
> millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
> medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
> crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
> the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
> having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
> insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
> in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
> now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
> longer afford medical insurance.
Dear Sir,
t
Thank you very much for the personal testimonial on your problems with
the current health care system. We really appreciate hearing personally
tragic stories from people like you, who through no fault of their own,
are left with little or no recourse but to seek government assistance to
pay for their emergency medical expenses. Your plight points out so
clearly why the country is in such need of a universal health care
system. It is indeed a tragedy that so many other people just like you
will be driven into destitution merely because of a medical emergency.
Thanks again. And remember the only solution to the problems facing
people in situations just like yours is to vote for Democratic
candidates. I'm sure we can count on your vote considering what happened
to you.
Hawke
pyotr filipivich
>Being aluminum, one assumes that even a 6 jaw would be a bit much, ?
Well, Chuck usually had one of them foam can cozies, which he'd
then hold in his hand.
But I think if I were to attempt to thin down a standard popcan,
I'd fill it with wax to prevent deformation. I think Enco carries it.
Or outsource it to California, or some backwards third world place
where they do marvels with just hand tools.
tschus
pyotr
Gunner Asch
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>In <tenil5lsb24d6n7p0...@4ax.com>, on Fri, 22 Jan 2010
>00:18:58 -0800, Gunner Asch, gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
>
>> Ive since heard that such misdiagnosis from them, when you come in
>> without insurance...didnt even see a doctor..but a DA...is fairly
>> common.
>
> Odd hospital that would have a District Attorney
>doing its diagnoses! ;-)
>
>> Gunner
>
> Yeah, yeah, who really meant PA (Physician's Assistant)
>In some jurisdictions, aka NP (Nurse Practitioner)
>Same same.
Gads...I did type DA didnt I? Mea culpa!
Gunner, blushing....
pyotr filipivich
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:12:16
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
>
>> >> One notices the things one is most familiar with.
>> >>
>> >> I have a collection of photos taken at tech school "What's wrong
>> >> with this picture?" Pop can held in the chuck by the rim, wrenches
>> >> left in the chuck - all the things the instructor said we shouldn't
>> >> do.
>> >> -
>> >> pyotr filipivich
>> >> We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>> >> It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
>> >
>> >
>> > So how should a pop can be held in a chuck?
>>
>> gently!
>
>
> And unopened.
Oh, that's no fun ... no wait. Spin a can of pop up to a couple
thousand RPM, then use a cut off tool to open it up - oh, that would
be fun. To watch on a remote TV. Bwhahahahahahaha
>
>
>--
>Greed is the root of all eBay.
rangerssuck
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:40:36 -0800, "Uhh Clem"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
> >> IanM wrote:
> >>> John R. Carroll wrote:
> >>>> rangerssuck wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 21, 6:52 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> When the people living in California dont have any money..they cant
> >>>>>> buy Stuff from me. They cant give me money..I cant pay all the
> >>>>>> bills on time. Sucks.
>
> >>>>>> Local jobs..about $9 an hour. Right. Might work for a young single
> >>>>>> guy...but aint gonna do me much good.
>
> >>>>>> Gunner
>
> >>>>> FYI, All that "free" stuff is totally taxable as far as the IRS is
> >>>>> concerned.
>
> >>>> Why do you think he doesn't use Ebay?
>
> >>> How do you assess the value of a barter transaction for tax purposes
> >>> until someone finally resells their side of it?
>
> >> I can tell you how the State of California does it.
> >> They just plop down a big number based on average earnings in various
> >> categories and replacement value.
> >> Then they sieze and sell everything.
> >> Anyone on the other side of the bartered arrangement is liable if the
> >> Franchise Tax Board or State Board of Equalization thinks they knew or
> >> should have known what was going on. At that point, they start going
> >> through
> >> those assets and they don't ask politely. They lien and levy. There were a
> >> lot of small tool and die shops in the LA area that converted to 100
> >> percent
> >> contract work. When the guys that worked for them didn't pay their taxes,
> >> those shops suddenly found their bank accounts lighted by the full amount
> >> of
> >> witholding at single zero. I know one guy that had to close up. A father
> >> and
> >> two son operation. I worked with one of the sons a couple years after the
> >> event.
>
> >> The State of California can, and does, go where the money is and lets the
> >> party's sort things out in court later.
>
> >at least some of the money that's gone to waste in keeping the fucking
> >crooked dirt bag alive.
>
>
> Oh...dont worry. I just got a summons from the hospital that did my
> bypass. They did drop the price by $50,000 down to $75,000. Nothing yet
> on the stroke costs though.
>
> Ive already started bankruptcy proceedings. A very legal way to get out
> from under the debt load. Democrats do that all the time.
>
> After all..I did gross a big..big big $18,000 in 2009.
> $2008, I grossed a big...big..big $32,000
>
> Shrug..but then..Im better off than many here in California. My house is
> paid for as are my vehicles and all my tools etc etc. I dont own a
> credit card and havent for many years.
>
> And my house has been assessed as being worth $34,000.
>
> But hey...if you guys really want to push it..go ahead and take
> everything, then Ill simply go on welfare and make MORE money AND have
> you guys pay for my housing, my food, my medical for the future and so
> forth. Its up to you. At the moment..Im self supporting, and I support
> the ex except for her medical..which is up to about $2 million so far.
>
> Oh..did I mention that my costs in 2008 were $29,000? Before food of
> course.
>
> And my costs in 2009 were $17,000 not counting food or that $275,000
> very unexpected medical bill.
>
> But hey...I understand that your old pal Pelosi has been hiring illegal
> aliens to work at the vinyard she and her hubby own. And they all get
> get free medical. Somewhere around $2.4 Billion dollars worth here in
> California.
>
> Shrug..thats why I became a Democrat last year. Democrats take care of
> each other and excuse all sorts of things. Im going to have my DNC ward
> healer take you to court for picking on a Democrat.
>
> wish to discuss?
>
>
> Gunner
DID YOU FILE A FUCKING TAX RETURN FOR EITHER YEAR?
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Wax....marvelous Idea! See..there are some really smart people in these
newsgroups!!
Bravo!!
Ignoramus6241
> Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
> destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
> Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
> millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
> medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
> crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
> the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
> having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
> insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
> in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
> now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
> longer afford medical insurance.
Since you are a belever in personal responsibility, the first step I
would recommend is taking personal responsibility for your situation.
The choices affect outcomes, for everyone, you included.
Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is
that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms
in hospitals, who are required to treat them.
Had an insurance reform been passed, that would provide people like
you with access to affordable preventive health care, your own
treatment might have cost the society less.
Not being able to afford health insurance at older age, is my personal
nightmare and it is something that bothers me every day. I do not care
if I would be slightly less wealthy, due to extra costs, and would be
very happy to know that there is no possibility of being left withnout
health coverage.
i
F. George McDuffee
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
<snip>
>And the one thing they both have in common is they were both caused by
>the republicans. They did the same anti government business deregulation
>scheme in 1920 and again in 2001 and the results were the same in both
>cases. First a period of a boom in business followed by a terrible bust.
>It took 11 years and a world war to end the first one. No telling how
>long it'll take to end this one. One thing is for sure, if the
>republicans are put back in power it will take a lot longer.
>
>Hawke
==>If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. We will just
have to keep doing it again until we get it right....<==
A comment that I posted to the WSJ in this context may be of
interest to those of you that are following this [sub] thread.
----- start of comment -----
It's pretty simple really. The question reduces to "do you want
a regulatory environment favorable to the mega bank's short term
interests or are the long-term interests of the people and the
nation more important?"
The actual results over the last 20 years, including the collapse
of LTCM and Enron, the bursting of the dot con and real estate
bubbles, and the proliferation of highly dubious financial
instruments of doubtful value such as "synthetic structured
collateralized debt obligations" backed by residential and
commercial real estate, all indicate that it is a fool's game to
support the banks in some vague and tacit hope that magically
"their" profits will "trickle down" to benefit society as a
whole.
There appears to be three key interlocking reforms immediately
required:
(1) The urgent enactment of a new "Super Glass-Steagall Act" to
force the separation of not only the depository/commercial banks
from the investment banks/brokerages, but also the mutual
separation of the multitude of new financial institutions that
have developed since the passage of the original Glass-Steagall
such as pension funds, mutual funds, private equity funds, hedge
funds, venture capital funds, money market funds and the several
types of insurance companies. Indeed, the new "Super
Glass-Steagall" should be written to mandate separation of all
large agglomerations or pools of money to cover possible future
developments.
(2) The "CFTC Modernization act of 2000" must be immediately
repealed to again allow oversight and regulation of derivatives
and commodity trading. The legislation repealing this act should
explicitly provide for the oversight and regulation of the
creation and interstate sale of *ALL* financial instruments,
including futures contracts, sold or traded on U.S. territory,
and the requirement that *ALL* financial instruments, based
mainly on U.S. assets and/or sold mainly to U.S. citizens or
institutions must be created, sold under, and subject to U.S. law
including reporting, oversight and anti-racketeering provisions
including "money laundering."
(3) A "small enough to fail" cap, by both market share and
absolute dollar size for each class of financial institution
covered by the new "Super Glass-Steagall", should be enacted
ASAP.
Because of the severe strains the implementation of these
provisions will cause existing financial firms, including the
banks, these will most likely have to be phased in over several
years, however draconian individual criminal penalties for the
accountable officers and directors for violation and/or evasion
will most likely be required to insure compliance if punishing
the stockholders twice for the bad actions of the corporate
officers and directors is to be avoided.
----- end of comment ----
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>> Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
>> destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
>> Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
>> millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
>> medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
>> crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
>> the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
>> having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
>> insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
>> in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
>> now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
>> longer afford medical insurance.
>
>Dear Sir,
>t
>Thank you very much for the personal testimonial on your problems with
>the current health care system. We really appreciate hearing personally
>tragic stories from people like you, who through no fault of their own,
That last part is certainly true in a lot of cases, but gummer's isn't
one of them. He chose a dead end area and a lifestyle guaranteed to
make his life shorter, more miserable, and more costly to society. He
chose to work part time for less than minimum wage, and to spend
whatever money he could hide from his creditors on hoarding junk and
firearms. He chooses to waste his life on Usenet year after year, even
to the point of spending more time complaining about a single vehicle
repair and the cost of it and how he could do it if he wanted to, than
it would have taken to knuckle down like the rest of us and do the job
himself. He chooses to pretend that it's better to promote "the great
cull" and to BS and scapegoat, than to get off his ass. In short, he
chooses his toys, vices, and fantasies, over honor and reality.
>are left with little or no recourse but to seek government assistance to
>pay for their emergency medical expenses. Your plight points out so
>clearly why the country is in such need of a universal health care
>system. It is indeed a tragedy that so many other people just like you
>will be driven into destitution merely because of a medical emergency.
>Thanks again. And remember the only solution to the problems facing
>people in situations just like yours is to vote for Democratic
>candidates. I'm sure we can count on your vote considering what happened
>to you.
Ha! Tom Gardner has volunteered to hire him, and assures us that he
can make big money by doing it. Having claimed that on a public forum,
I'd expect Tom to really go the extra mile to make it worth gummer's
while and to ensure his success. The trip should be a piece of cake
for master survivalist gummer. All he really needs to do is stick his
thumb out and he can be sleeping in Tom's guest room in a couple of
days. Once he's got that great job which allegedly includes health
insurance, he can spend his evenings regaling us with tales of how
wonderful it is to contribute to a successful enterprise, fish on the
weekends, bench press V8s, slay bigfoot with a vernier, etc.
Unfortunately, none of that can happen because Obama and Pelosi are
taking turns pinning gummer to his computer chair!
So he'll instead spend his last breath cursing Hillary or whatever.
Between now and then he'll alternate between the contradictory
strategies of boasting about unlimited talent and resourcefulness, and
claiming to be a victim deserving of pity... sometimes on the same
day, and occasionally in the same post!
Wayne
Wes
>The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
>were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
>It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
>EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.
>
John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels? IIRC, you have had a long dry
spell. I think the lack of water has affected the farm workers.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
larryrozer
> F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
> CHP used to have real time traffic flow information that the public could
> view on line George.
> I don't know if they do today or not but they know exactly what is happening
> because the regulate the inflow of traffic to the freeway system
> dynamically.
>
> --
> John R. Carroll
Gunner Asch
<ignora...@NOSPAM.6241.invalid> wrote:
>On 2010-01-22, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> Why? Ive got a "part time" job..was full time until the Leftwingers
>> destroyed the economy and started killing machine shops. What the
>> Leftwingers "perceive" about me is their problem, not mine. I, like
>> millions of other people..even legal citizens..had to have emergency
>> medical treatment. Some from accidents, others from being victims of
>> crime, others from very unexpected medical issues. I was 55 yrs old at
>> the time, and Ill state right here and now..that others here will be
>> having the exact same thing happen to them. I could have continued
>> insurance payments for another few months..but I would have been living
>> in a cardboard box with no lights, power, water. Shrug. Im one of the
>> now 20% and growing segment of the population that simply could no
>> longer afford medical insurance.
>
>Since you are a belever in personal responsibility, the first step I
>would recommend is taking personal responsibility for your situation.
>The choices affect outcomes, for everyone, you included.
>
But...but..but..Im a Democrat! That means its someone else's fault. In
fact..its the fault of the Rich! And the Corporations! So THEY have to
pay for it.
>Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is
>that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms
>in hospitals, who are required to treat them.
Yes indeed. $2,5 Billion last year alone was spent on health care for
Illegal Aliens. Illegal Aliens that the Democrats refuse to stop
allowing into the country. And in fact..encourage them to come to Del
Norte.
>
>Had an insurance reform been passed, that would provide people like
>you with access to affordable preventive health care, your own
>treatment might have cost the society less.
Yes and?
>
>Not being able to afford health insurance at older age, is my personal
>nightmare and it is something that bothers me every day. I do not care
>if I would be slightly less wealthy, due to extra costs, and would be
>very happy to know that there is no possibility of being left withnout
>health coverage.
>
>i
Indeed. Tell that to the President and get him to FIX healthcare, not
destroy it.
Now about my personal problem...whatcha gonna do about it? After all..I
am a Democrat.
Gunner
pyotr filipivich
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> on or about Fri, 22 Jan 2010
13:42:47 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>In <tenil5lsb24d6n7p0...@4ax.com>, on Fri, 22 Jan 2010
>00:18:58 -0800, Gunner Asch, gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
>
>> Ive since heard that such misdiagnosis from them, when you come in
>> without insurance...didnt even see a doctor..but a DA...is fairly
>> common.
>
> Odd hospital that would have a District Attorney
>doing its diagnoses! ;-)
They'd lawyered up in preparation for the Great Health Care
Restructuring.
>> Gunner
>
> Yeah, yeah, who really meant PA (Physician's Assistant)
>In some jurisdictions, aka NP (Nurse Practitioner)
>Same same.
Yep.
Gunner Asch
>"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>>The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California numbers
>>were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
>>It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of people
>>EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.
>>
>
>John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels? IIRC, you have had a long dry
>spell. I think the lack of water has affected the farm workers.
>
>Wes
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14242470?source=most_viewed
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=73534&catid=2
http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=26247
On the other hand.....
http://westsideconnect.com/content/view/3210/162/
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Wax....marvelous Idea! See..there are some really smart people in these
> newsgroups!!
In two years they will have to resort to using old pop top beer cans
and epoxy for urns. :)
Eregon
news:eoydncHcgMvzs8fW...@giganews.com:
> Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is
> that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms
> in hospitals, who are required to treat them.
Not so, booby: the Health Insurance rates are high because of the
Malpractice Insurance companies who require long lists of very expensive
tests be run so that the MI company lawyers can easily defend the
doctors/technicians/EMTs/hospitals from other lawyers (Binder & Binder
and Sokolove come to mind) who expect to make millions over some jerk's
hangnail that got infected a month after going to an emergency room.
BTW, since the MI beancounters insist on the tests the HI beancounters
"negotiate" with the doctors/hospitals/clinics/etc. for reduced rates.
(After all, they're actually going to PAY.)
FWIW, Medicare/Medicaid does the same thing...
If gummint demands free health care through Emergency Rooms then it's up
to gummint to pay for it.
The FIRST (and most obvious) step - also the most effective - should be
to simply shoot all of the lawyers...
Eregon
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:42:47 -0700, Steve Ackman
> <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>
>>In <tenil5lsb24d6n7p0...@4ax.com>, on Fri, 22 Jan 2010
>>00:18:58 -0800, Gunner Asch, gun...@lightspeed.net wrote:
>>
>>> Ive since heard that such misdiagnosis from them, when you come in
>>> without insurance...didnt even see a doctor..but a DA...is fairly
>>> common.
>>
>> Odd hospital that would have a District Attorney
>>doing its diagnoses! ;-)
>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, who really meant PA (Physician's Assistant)
>>In some jurisdictions, aka NP (Nurse Practitioner)
>>Same same.
>
> Gads...I did type DA didnt I? Mea culpa!
>
> Gunner, blushing....
You might have gotten a better diagnosis from a DA than that PA...
Brother Lightfoot
"Eregon" <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9D08E3A0...@74.209.131.10...
> Malpractice Insurance companies who require long lists of very expensive
> tests be run so that the MI company lawyers can easily defend the
> doctors/technicians/EMTs/hospitals from other lawyers (Binder & Binder
> and Sokolove come to mind) who expect to make millions over some jerk's
> hangnail that got infected a month after going to an emergency room.
>
Pure bullshit.
Been there researched it all before and found out malpractice premiums on
average have actually dropped in the past decade--besides, they never
amounted any more than a very small fraction of medical costs in the first
place.
--
azotic
"Eregon" <Era...@Saphira.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9D08E3A0...@74.209.131.10...
> news:eoydncHcgMvzs8fW...@giganews.com:
>
>> Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is
>> that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms
>> in hospitals, who are required to treat them.
>
> Not so, booby: the Health Insurance rates are high because of the
> Malpractice Insurance companies who require long lists of very expensive
> tests be run so that the MI company lawyers can easily defend the
> doctors/technicians/EMTs/hospitals from other lawyers (Binder & Binder
> and Sokolove come to mind) who expect to make millions over some jerk's
> hangnail that got infected a month after going to an emergency room.
>
Last year while doing my civic duty i told a lawyer during voir dire i dont
award any money
for pain and suffering, i got sent back to the jury pool, when i got to the
bull pen the gal in
charge told me i could go home that they didnt need any more potential
jurors.
Best Regards
Tom.
Steve B
"Ignoramus6241" <ignora...@NOSPAM.6241.invalid> wrote in message
news:eoydncHcgMvzs8fW...@giganews.com...
That's all well and good, but you may die in channels. That's the down
side. You need a bypass or cancer treatment tomorrow, and it will take two
years to get approval. Same as no coverage in my mind.
Steve
Steve B
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
>
> Gads...I did type DA didnt I? Mea culpa!
>
> Gunner, blushing....
I saw DA and read doctor's assistance. Dopey me.
Steve
Gunner Asch
Thats what I was thinking when I typed it. Shrug.
Ooops!
Gunner
John R. Carroll
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>> The last time I looked, several months ago, the official California
>> numbers were as high as 35% in parts of the Central Valley.
>> It hardly matters at this point. What is important is the numbers of
>> people EMPLOYED in non-farm labor.
>>
>
> John, how are the current rains affecting reservoir levels?
I'm not sure Wes but our reservoirs here are filled primarily by snow pack.
Rain helps, of course, but the tremendous snowfall will probably be more
significant.
> IIRC, you have had a long dry spell. I think the lack of water has
> affected the farm workers.
I've read about farmers taking fields out of production.
There are other issues. One is the costs of production which include, but
aren't limited to water.
Another, the allocations made in accordance with the compacts signed with
various states and Mexico parceling out water from the Colorado river and
other resources. California has always, almost always, been able to draw
more than it's allocation in the past because the others weren't. They have
been doing so lately and the Mexican farmers across the border have been
demanding access to what they are promised at the same time. IOW, demand is
up and due to the years long drought on the West coast, supply is way down.
California is very productive agriculturally because we have a year round
growing season but most of the farms are in what most of the world considers
the middle or edges of arid territory. You need a lot of water to grow
things in the desert.
Orange County sits on one of North America's largest aquifers and they
manage their water very well.
They have been rationing water for about a year now I believe but they just
added reclamation capacity and I think they are up to 50 million gallons per
day with their effort.
--
John R. Carroll
Steve B
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:kmcll51lc4rhukfqn...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:18:38 -0800, "Steve B"
> <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
>>
>>>
>>> Gads...I did type DA didnt I? Mea culpa!
>>>
>>> Gunner, blushing....
>>
>>I saw DA and read doctor's assistance. Dopey me.
>>
>>Steve
>>
> Thats what I was thinking when I typed it. Shrug.
>
> Ooops!
>
> Gunner
THEN YOU'RE AS SERIOUSLY AS FUCKED UP AS I AM.
I meant to type assistant. Stupid spelchkr.
Shrug. Blush.
I believe one is truly listening when they can hear another person say
something totally in the wrong order or way, and still understand exactly
what that person is saying. And I think one has to be around and listen
long enough to be able to do that.
Steve
Hawke
In short, the banks need to be treated like they are public utilities.
The result of leaving them to their own devices always ends up the same
way, with them taking crazy risks in their zeal to make gigantic profits
, which ends with an economic bust. The country can't afford to continue
to let a small group of people gamble with the nation's money supply.
Too many people are at risk to let gamblers on Wall Street put the
financial health of the country at risk. The question is will the
government rein them in or not. FDR did it and with a smile on his face.
Can Obama? Given that the financial industry is far stronger now than
back then at this point I'll be surprised if anyone can stop them.
Hawke
Hawke
They sent you home because you demonstrated that you are the kind of
person who can't fairly weigh evidence and make an unbiased decision.
You have a prejudice that makes you a poor candidate for a jury. They
are looking for people who can set aside their own personal prejudices
and make a judgment on the facts and evidence alone. You showed that you
are biased and can't do that. Which is why they sent you home.
Hawke
Hawke
I know a guy in his early fifties that just got diagnosed with cancer.
They told him it's all over his abdomen. It doesn't look good. He's
still going to work and so his health insurance is covering him. But
he's going to start chemo-therapy soon and if that or the spread of the
disease prevents him from working he'll lose his job, and with the job
will go the insurance. If he loses his job no insurance company will
take on someone who already has cancer. Which means he will be without
any insurance. So what then? Spend every dime he has? Become destitute
and then go on some government sponsored program? Whatever, it looks
like he's screwed. Now that's the same as no coverage in my mind. And
that is what happens to all of you the minute you get too sick to work.
Bye, bye job, bye, bye insurance, bye bye to everything you have. Great
health care system, huh?
Hawke
azotic
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hjghak$ac4$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> In short, the banks need to be treated like they are public utilities. The
> result of leaving them to their own devices always ends up the same way,
> with them taking crazy risks in their zeal to make gigantic profits ,
> which ends with an economic bust. The country can't afford to continue to
> let a small group of people gamble with the nation's money supply. Too
> many people are at risk to let gamblers on Wall Street put the financial
> health of the country at risk. The question is will the government rein
> them in or not. FDR did it and with a smile on his face. Can Obama? Given
> that the financial industry is far stronger now than back then at this
> point I'll be surprised if anyone can stop them.
>
> Hawke
Given the current court rulling this week corporations will be able to
give us the best politians money can buy. Politics will change in that
our country will be managed in corporate fashion and bean counters will
rule. With the money from wall street and bankers the leftists marxists
and socialists will now be replaced with free market capitolists. Expect
a huge downsize of government when the corporations take over.
Best Regards
Tom.
azotic
> They sent you home because you demonstrated that you are the kind of
> person who can't fairly weigh evidence and make an unbiased decision. You
> have a prejudice that makes you a poor candidate for a jury. They are
> looking for people who can set aside their own personal prejudices and
> make a judgment on the facts and evidence alone. You showed that you are
> biased and can't do that. Which is why they sent you home.
>
> Hawke
Having been involved in litigation as a plaintiff and defendant i can tell
you
as a matter of fact that a jury never sees the facts only what the lawyers
want them to believe are the facts. They guy that makes up better facts
wins.
If the glove dont fit you must aquit.
Best Regards
Tom.
Ignoramus27518
> I know a guy in his early fifties that just got diagnosed with cancer.
> They told him it's all over his abdomen. It doesn't look good. He's
> still going to work and so his health insurance is covering him. But
> he's going to start chemo-therapy soon and if that or the spread of the
> disease prevents him from working he'll lose his job, and with the job
> will go the insurance.
I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
to much.
Yes, it sucks.
i
Brother Lightfoot
"Ignoramus27518" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote in message
news:ndGdnd2-sv-bcMbW...@giganews.com...
Cobra isn't free--instead of your employer paying the premiums now you get
to pay them yourself.
Opps there goes your savings account and / or 401k...
--
> Yes, it sucks.
>
> i
Brother Lightfoot
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:17:10 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:46:00 -0700, "Brother Lightfoot"
> ><n...@mothmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>And if you dont have the means then shut the fuck up crawl into a corner
and
> >>fucking die without whimpering if your still half alive when I come
around
> >>and butt fuck your wife and daughters just before selling your pitiful
abode
> >>and everything that's and then leave them to starve because they hadn't
> >>werent employed in health care or the insurance industry.
> >
> >
> >Thats odd...isnt Sister Leadfoot one of the ones throwing stones at me
> >for having to drop my insurance 6 months before my medical emergency?
> >
> >Seems he can talk a good line when it suits him...but in real life..he
> >is just as big a cocksucker as any Leftwing Extremist.
> >
> >Gunner
>
> Your BS is worthless.
>
LOL "talk a good line" Gunner says...
Definately precious.
--
> Spend every dime he has? Become destitute
> and then go on some government sponsored program? Whatever, it looks
> like he's screwed. Now that's the same as no coverage in my mind. And
> that is what happens to all of you the minute you get too sick to work.
> Bye, bye job, bye, bye insurance, bye bye to everything you have. Great
> health care system, huh?
>
> Hawke
--
Ed Huntress
"Ignoramus27518" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote in message
news:ndGdnd2-sv-bcMbW...@giganews.com...
You realize, of course, that under COBRA you're paying the full-boat rate
for the insurance you pick up. Caught in a layoff when the FDA didn't
approve the drug I was working on, I did that: for my son and I and it was
costing me just under $13,000/year. And that was a couple of years ago.
Someone who's just lost a job may have trouble with that. I was lucky
because I slipped right into doing freelance work and could afford it. Some
people are stuck.
--
Ed Huntress
larryrozer
>
> I know a guy in his early fifties that just got diagnosed with cancer.
> They told him it's all over his abdomen. It doesn't look good. He's
> still going to work and so his health insurance is covering him. But
> he's going to start chemo-therapy soon and if that or the spread of the
> disease prevents him from working he'll lose his job, and with the job
> will go the insurance.
Seems a little fishy, do you know what plan he is on?
Don't know where he is from but all areas I am aware of he can't be
fired if he goes on disability. If he becomes temporarily disabled, he
needs to first exhaust short term/long term disability periods with
his company by retaining coverage under his group plan as long as he
is employed.
If he becomes permanently disabled he needs to apply for Medicare
benefits. SSA will tell him what Medicare benefits are available. File
for that disability claim ASAP because pay is calculated from the day
he files NOT the day he becomes disabled.
If he terminates employment because of his disability he may be able
to continue coverage under his group plan. Employees or their
dependent/s who are determined to be disabled under the Social
Security Act within the first 60 days of continuation coverage (COBRA)
are eligible to extend their 18 months to 29 months.
He should contact his group administrator and get advise on
continuation coverage under his health plan. When he signed up for his
group plan he should have received a booklet on his coverage, now is
the time to re-read it, all of it. His doctors/medical office/hospital
could be a good place to get advise as well.
Don't take NO for an answer. Permanent disability can take some
strange twists and turns but I doubt he would have much trouble. It is
normal to have an orthopedic claim denied twice before finally being
awarded on the third try (second appeal using a lawyer). In the case
of cancer I hope disability won't work that way.
My Wife was diagnosed and treated for cancer a few times. She went on
temporary disability when she couldn't work. She was able to stay on
the companies group plan each time till she was able to return to
work.
> If he loses his job
It should be illegal for him to be fired or otherwise terminated for
going on temporary disability. Again I don't know where he is from or
what laws apply to his specific area.
> no insurance company will
> take on someone who already has cancer. Which means he will be without
> any insurance. So what then?
In some regions a company with 50 or more employees their group plan
cannot exclude preexisting conditions. On his application he only need
disclose medical conditions that will limit his ability to perform his
job.
> Spend every dime he has? Become destitute
> and then go on some government sponsored program? Whatever, it looks
> like he's screwed. Now that's the same as no coverage in my mind. And
> that is what happens to all of you the minute you get too sick to work.
> Bye, bye job, bye, bye insurance, bye bye to everything you have. Great
> health care system, huh?
Payroll deductions, that's why he has state/federal short and long
term disability plans that apply to him in this case. Also if
supplemental plans were offered through his group insurance, hopefully
he took advantage and signed up for them.
Gunner Asch
<no...@mothmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:46:00 -0700, "Brother Lightfoot"
>> ><n...@mothmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>And if you dont have the means then shut the fuck up crawl into a corner
>and
>> >>fucking die without whimpering if your still half alive when I come
>around
>> >>and butt fuck your wife and daughters just before selling your pitiful
>abode
>> >>and everything that's and then leave them to starve because they hadn't
>> >>werent employed in health care or the insurance industry.
>> >
>> >
>> >Thats odd...isnt Sister Leadfoot one of the ones throwing stones at me
>> >for having to drop my insurance 6 months before my medical emergency?
>> >
>> >Seems he can talk a good line when it suits him...but in real life..he
>> >is just as big a cocksucker as any Leftwing Extremist.
>> >
>> >Gunner
>>
>> Your BS is worthless.
>>
>
>LOL "talk a good line" Gunner says...
>
>Definately precious.
You must have enjoyed the hell out of it, if you have saved it since
September.
And of course..its still true.
Gunner
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
F. George McDuffee
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
<snip>
>The result of leaving them to their own devices always ends up the same
>way, with them taking crazy risks in their zeal to make gigantic profits
>, which ends with an economic bust. The country can't afford to continue
>to let a small group of people gamble with the nation's money supply.
>Too many people are at risk to let gamblers on Wall Street put the
>financial health of the country at risk. The question is will the
>government rein them in or not. FDR did it and with a smile on his face.
>Can Obama? Given that the financial industry is far stronger now than
>back then at this point I'll be surprised if anyone can stop them.
One way or another they will be stopped. The question is how?
If it is done by phased reasonable regulation over an extended
period, say 5 years, the socio-economic disruption to the country
as a whole should be minimal, although it will devastate some in
the banking/financial industry currently receiving multi-million
dollar annual bonuses, and it will severely disrupt if not
destroy the "old boy" network that is the basis for the current
"crony casino" capitalism [as it is designed to do].
The alternative, no matter how much political influence is
wielded by financial institutions, is a financial/fiscal
collapse, beyond anyone's control or management, quite likely due
to external events such as an abrupt and precipitous fall in the
international value of the U.S. Dollar (and collapse in the U.S.
credit rating), with devastating effects on the U.S. aggregate
society and economy that is largely based on the import of
critical materials such as oil and increasingly food.
Like the mechanic said in the old oil filter ad "pay me now or
pay me {much more} later."
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
F. George McDuffee
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
>the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
>to much.
===========
It is one thing to have the opportunity to continue medical
coverage mandated by law. It is quite another to pay for it if
you are out of work.
F. George McDuffee
=========
While not one of the overt objectives, the three pronged actions
suggested actually avoids having to treat the major financial
institutions, including the banks, as public utilities with
constant governmental oversight of their daily operations,
limitations on rates of return, control of investments and
improvements, and possibly mandated "public" representatives on
their board of directors.
Historically, "public utilities" exist as a separate class of
private business because of their inate monopoly nature. The
economic reality is such that it not practical to have
"competition" in some capital intensive areas such as electrical
power generation/distribution at the consumer level, natural gas
distribution, etc. Theoretically a monopoly is allowed to
exist/operate, possibly under a governmental franchise, but is
subject to much greater governmental regulation including limits
on pricing and returns on investment. [Note the use of the word
theoretically.]
The three suggested reforms should eliminate the current system
of financial Oligopoly and result in increased competition and
financial viability, *WITHOUT* the need for "close and constant
{governmental} supervision," (beyond routine compliance auditing)
especially if the "small enough to fail" size caps are enacted.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/oligopoly.asp
It will also be vital to secure the "loose cannon" of the Federal
Reserve Banking System. It will be vital to
reconstruct/reorganize this institution, possibly eliminating or
transferring some functions and adding others. The imposition of
GAO auditing on all actions and activities, and the expansion of
FOIA to include the FRB will be vital. What is now clear is that
the FRB has long had its own, more-or-less "hidden agenda," which
has increasingly diverged from the "long-term best self
interests" of the American people. A useful and symbolic first
step would be the refusal by the Senate to re-confirm Dr. Bernake
as Chairman of the FRB for a second term, given his
preemption/co-option by the financial industry and his adamant
refusal to supply Congress with requested data.
Ed Huntress
"F. George McDuffee" <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote in message
news:jvsol5tsoa4vpvv35...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:12:00 -0800, Hawke
> <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>>In short, the banks need to be treated like they are public utilities.
> <snip>
> =========
<snip>
> The three suggested reforms should eliminate the current system
> of financial Oligopoly and result in increased competition and
> financial viability, *WITHOUT* the need for "close and constant
> {governmental} supervision," (beyond routine compliance auditing)
> especially if the "small enough to fail" size caps are enacted.
> http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/oligopoly.asp
>
> It will also be vital to secure the "loose cannon" of the Federal
> Reserve Banking System. It will be vital to
> reconstruct/reorganize this institution, possibly eliminating or
> transferring some functions and adding others. The imposition of
> GAO auditing on all actions and activities, and the expansion of
> FOIA to include the FRB will be vital. What is now clear is that
> the FRB has long had its own, more-or-less "hidden agenda," which
> has increasingly diverged from the "long-term best self
> interests" of the American people.
And what is this "hidden agenda," George?
--
Ed Huntress
Wes
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:47:34 -0600, Ignoramus27518
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
><snip>
>>I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
>>the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
>>to much.
><snip>
>===========
>It is one thing to have the opportunity to continue medical
>coverage mandated by law. It is quite another to pay for it if
>you are out of work.
Sadly, most people have forgot that you save for eventualities and not depend on someone
else to get you through.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Gunner Asch
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:47:34 -0600, Ignoramus27518
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
><snip>
>>I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
>>the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
>>to much.
><snip>
>===========
>It is one thing to have the opportunity to continue medical
>coverage mandated by law. It is quite another to pay for it if
>you are out of work.
Indeed....Oh most definately Indeed
>
>
>Unka George (George McDuffee)
>..............................
>The past is a foreign country;
>they do things differently there.
>L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
>The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
Gunner Asch
>F. George McDuffee <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:47:34 -0600, Ignoramus27518
>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
>><snip>
>>>I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
>>>the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
>>>to much.
>><snip>
>>===========
>>It is one thing to have the opportunity to continue medical
>>coverage mandated by law. It is quite another to pay for it if
>>you are out of work.
>
>
>Sadly, most people have forgot that you save for eventualities and not depend on someone
>else to get you through.
>
>Wes
Insurance is like going to the casino..its gambling. If you have a few
bucks not going any place else..you spend it.
When you are out of work..and job offers are few and far between...going
to the casino with the last of your cash, is not a good idea.
Many of us have had to make that choice. Some win, some lose.
"am I going to get sick before I get a new job?" "Can I afford
insurance when I dont have any income..and its a constant outgo with no
immediate benefits, unlike lights, power, gas and food"
Gunner
Ignoramus12856
> F. George McDuffee <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:47:34 -0600, Ignoramus27518
>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
>><snip>
>>>I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on
>>>the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount
>>>to much.
>><snip>
>>===========
>>It is one thing to have the opportunity to continue medical
>>coverage mandated by law. It is quite another to pay for it if
>>you are out of work.
>
> Sadly, most people have forgot that you save for eventualities and not depend on someone
> else to get you through.
>
Wes, I agree that saving money is essential for anyone, and people who
do not save, fully deserve a fair amount of trouble. I do personally
save a fair amount of my income.
So, a hypothetical guy who loses a job and does not even have money to
pay very reasonable COBRA rates, does not get too much of my sympathy,
personally.
Now what happens if someone has cancer, loses a job, pays for COBRA
for 18 months, and then his COBRA coverage ends? I do not think that
we can expect people to save enough to cover their cancer treatments
(which amount to big bucks).
I think that when such people, who worked, saved, and did their duty
otherwise, cannot afford to treat their cancer, and cannot get medical
coverage, it is an atrocity.
i
F. George McDuffee
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>Wes, I agree that saving money is essential for anyone, and people who
>do not save, fully deserve a fair amount of trouble. I do personally
>save a fair amount of my income.
=======
This appears to be a correct statement.
It is also an area where I think the FRB has some sort of hidden
agenda. [see other thread on this] By setting the interest rates
so low, the interest rates paid on most forms of liquid savings
[gold not included] are now and have been *NEGATIVE* for several
years, when inflation and tax effect are considered.
What is rational about saving so the banks and or government can
use your money and charge you for the "service?"
The other problem is how much savings are "enough?"
Consider that the median U.S. family income is now about 50k$/yr.
When inflation, and especially loss of benefits such as defined
benefit pension plans, fully paid employer medical and job
security are considered, the median income has been *FALLING* [at
an increasing rate] for the last 30 years. Some of the less
perceptive insurance companies were publishing studies showing
that to be on the safe side, the typical couple should have about
1,000,000$ in savings when they retired. Just how is it possible
that the typical couple could accumulate 20 years of pre tax
income over even a 50 year working life? [20-70] especially with
*NEGATIVE* savings interest?
Wes
>> Sadly, most people have forgot that you save for eventualities and not depend on someone
>> else to get you through.
>>
>
>Wes, I agree that saving money is essential for anyone, and people who
>do not save, fully deserve a fair amount of trouble. I do personally
>save a fair amount of my income.
>
>So, a hypothetical guy who loses a job and does not even have money to
>pay very reasonable COBRA rates, does not get too much of my sympathy,
>personally.
Nor I. I paid for my health insurace for the 8 months I was between jobs.
>
>Now what happens if someone has cancer, loses a job, pays for COBRA
>for 18 months, and then his COBRA coverage ends? I do not think that
>we can expect people to save enough to cover their cancer treatments
>(which amount to big bucks).
>
>I think that when such people, who worked, saved, and did their duty
>otherwise, cannot afford to treat their cancer, and cannot get medical
>coverage, it is an atrocity.
>
I honestly don't know what to tell you. Some sort of pooled risk across the insured for
coverage for these events might be a solution.
Michigan has unlimited caps on medical when it comes to auto insurance. Every insured
motorist pays for it and if you are the unlucky person to get seriously injured, we (
meaning Michigan drivers) all pay for that injury.