Do TMT's mommies have two Glocks too?
Chief Egalitarian
Gunner Asch
<Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimination
ROFLMAO!!
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Hawke
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimination
>
I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
Hawke
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hqd0up$9no$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
When I see you open carry, then I will know that your liberalism is wearing
off. Will you shoot that illegal Mexican who will try to rob you, or will
you just hand your gun over to him? What would Obama do?
Too_Many_Tools
> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>
>
> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
> carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> Hawke
He will crap in his pants.
As he should...since his kind can't shoot worth a damn.
I see clowns at the range ever day making excuses.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> __
>
> The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.- Hide quoted text -
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Every day that you aren't bitching about having my nose up your ass.
Laugh..laugh..laugh...
TMT
Shall not be infringed
> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>
>
> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
> carrying?
Just keep your fly zipped and everythings good.
> It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> something tells me you're not going to like it.
I could give a shit. I've been around responsible people carrying
guns all my life.
Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
you're telling me?
> Apparently, you think
> only people like you are going to open carry.
And?
> You can believe me, when
> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.
Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
skilled.
> If open carry is
> allowed
Is this China? Open carry IS legal.
> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> Hawke
Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Shall not be infringed
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-disc...
Chief Eagle, I hate to correct you on this matter, but because of
Tools speech impediment, you mistakenly thought Tool said "Glocks."
Sounds like Glocks when he said it, but it starts with a "C."
Chief Egalitarian
"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Obviously he's concerned that he might become an unexpected casualty of some
other lib's failed suicide attempt. We see it in the papers each day. Libs
with guns, what's next, a women President?
Chief Egalitarian
"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:69d5a9e9-ed8f-494f...@y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Maybe he oughta bring his clocks with him to Sunnyside, to get them cleaned.
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> admission, assroach.
>
> Kindly remove your nose. Hey, you've already claimed Cheese-Bob is
> your partner... perhaps you can both remove your noses from my ass,
> and play with each other. Just a thought, since you both seem to
> enjoy such "festivities."
>
> __
>
> The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.- Hide quoted text -
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*Snicker*
Why don't you open up a shooting range in your ass?
That way all your buddies have something do when they aren't telling
us how great the Republicans are.
TMT
Hawke
I already have two Glocks, and I know how to use them. I would use them
on anyone who presents a legitimate threat of death or great bodily harm
to me or anyone else I care about. I like guns. I have more than enough
for my protection. My "liberalism" is never going to wear off. So what
do you do when you have someone you think is liberal but they act in a
way you believe is conservative, like carrying a gun? Maybe what you
think about liberals is wrong. You should rethink your conservative
beliefs. They don't comport with reality. A liberal with a gun? Does
that go along with what a conservative thinks a liberal would do? Hmmm?
Hawke
Hawke
I go to a gun club to shoot all the time. I'm amazed at how bad most
people shoot. You would think that someone who goes to a gun club to
shoot a gun they own would be able to shoot a lot better than anyone off
the street but you'd be surprised how lousy most gun owners are at using
their weapon. Not only are most people bad shots they are also very bad
at safely handling their weapons. Lots of people are a threat to
themselves and others just because of their lack of competence. Then you
have the element of actually using a gun in a high stress situation. The
average Joe can't shoot worth beans and then you put him under massive
stress and watch how he reacts. It's not pretty. Most people should not
bother getting a gun. It takes a real commitment to have one; to know
how to use it safely, to be any good with it, to have the mental
fortitude to use it if you have to, and to care for it properly. That's
way too much for most people. But for the few that are willing to take
the time to learn how to do it right then there is no reason not to. But
it's not for the average schmo. Even if it is legal.
Hawke
Hawke
>> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
>> carrying?
>
> Just keep your fly zipped and everythings good.
That's easy to say now.
>> It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
>> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
>> something tells me you're not going to like it.
>
> I could give a shit. I've been around responsible people carrying
> guns all my life.
Ever been around irresponsible people carrying guns? I have. Drunks,
gang banging kids, drug dealers, etc. have all been known to carry guns.
More of them than regular people, if you ask me. I've been around people
with guns on their belt I didn't have a good feeling about. Try it
sometime. You might get a different opinion. I don't feel the least bit
worried at a controlled range. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I
mean out on the street.
> Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
> you're telling me?
Am I telling you that I'm not responsible with guns? No. I am. I wasn't
always though. But how do you know that about me or any other stranger
you see carrying a gun? You don't. You have to take the risk that I'm as
safe as you. That won't always be the case though, will it?
>> Apparently, you think
>> only people like you are going to open carry.
>
> And?
It's just different when everybody has a gun. If you don't have a bit of
an uneasy feeling when you see someone with a gun and you don't know
them well then I don't get you. I only feel secure when I know the
people with guns are safe and responsible. I know that won't be the case
if everyone has one.
>> You can believe me, when
>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.
>
> Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
> skilled.
Me too. So you have no advantage and you life is in my hands if I decide
to go off. You have no worry about that, right? Anyone can go off and
kill you if they have a loaded weapon handy. That is supposed to make a
normal person at least a little nervous. I don't even like being around
cops when they are carrying their guns. Unless I have one too. Then I
feel better.
>> If open carry is
>> allowed
>
> Is this China? Open carry IS legal.
Not where I live and not in most of the U.S. But the truth is even if
you could go around carrying openly how many people would actually do
it? I think almost nobody would. It's too inconvenient and what is the
point. You just don't need a gun all that often. So far I've never
needed one for self protection in my life.
>> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
> that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
That's exactly my point. Most of us think we're responsible just like we
think we're good drivers. But there are plenty of people who can't drive
worth crap and there are plenty that are not responsible with guns. I
can see carrying openly when you're out in the boonies but in town I
can't see any reason for it. If you want to get a permit and carry
concealed I think that is sensible. But just walking around everybody
else with a gun on your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
Hawke
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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Dude, the illegal Mexican doesn't want to kill you or do you great bodily
harm, he just wants some of your money so that he could buy a few tacos for
his starving family. Obviously you don't care about people. You should hand
him your gun so that he could pawn it for some food and some new Obama
t-shirts.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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>
>>> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
>>> carrying?
>>
>> Just keep your fly zipped and everythings good.
>
> That's easy to say now.
>
>
>>> It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
>>> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
>>> something tells me you're not going to like it.
>>
>> I could give a shit. I've been around responsible people carrying
>> guns all my life.
>
> Ever been around irresponsible people carrying guns? I have. Drunks, gang
> banging kids, drug dealers, etc. have all been known to carry guns. More
> of them than regular people, if you ask me. I've been around people with
> guns on their belt I didn't have a good feeling about. Try it sometime.
> You might get a different opinion. I don't feel the least bit worried at a
> controlled range. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I mean out on the
> street.
>
>
Being around irresponsible drunks and gang-bangers more than regular regular
people says a lot about your character. Seems like those are your "regular"
people, wouldn't you say?
Only 8 States do not permit open carry. Your state is a rural open carry
State, if I recall, where it's possible in populations under 200,000.
>
>>> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>>
>>> Hawke
>>
>> Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
>> that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
>
> That's exactly my point. Most of us think we're responsible just like we
> think we're good drivers. But there are plenty of people who can't drive
> worth crap and there are plenty that are not responsible with guns. I can
> see carrying openly when you're out in the boonies but in town I can't see
> any reason for it. If you want to get a permit and carry concealed I think
> that is sensible. But just walking around everybody else with a gun on
> your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
>
You would be surprised to learn that most gun owners are responsible and
have learned how to safely handle and carry their guns. You need to hang out
with a better class of people. Anyway, this really has nothing to do with
your two Glocks, we were wondering if TMT's mommies had two Glocks. That
would make it 4 Glocks total.
Don Foreman
wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:26:03 -0500, "Chief Egalitarian"
><Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>
>>http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimination
>
>
>ROFLMAO!!
>
>
>Gunner
That really is funny, good satire. Could have been from "The Onion"
out of UW Madison WI, a liberal university where there is great
tolerance for diverse viewpoints.
Though about as subtle as a trainwreck, the humor does seem to have
escaped some. I invite them to look again, find the fun here. Life is
far too short to be taken seriously.
Don Foreman
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>If you want to get a permit and carry
>concealed I think that is sensible. But just walking around everybody
>else with a gun on your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
>
>Hawke
Roger that.
If ya wanna be a cop, do the training regimen and take the job.
A CCW does not make the posessor an ersatz cop, champion of the
oppressed, defender of others. It merely conveys the legal right to
carry a weapon. Actual use of that weapon is subject to lots more law,
both criminal and civial. Legal defense is expensive, figure $50K
minimum. Acceptable if death would obviously and provably been the
result of not killing, pricey otherwise. You have seconds to make that
decision, and however that turns out the perp's rellies who mourned
his sorry ass while he was planted at public cost will know your
address.
Louis Ohland
> tolerance for diverse viewpoints.
Uh, what universe are you from? Any viewpoint, as long as it's from the
left. The traditional definition of liberal does not apply.
Conservatives need not apply.
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> admission, assroach.
>
> Kindly remove your nose. Hey, you've already claimed Cheese-Bob is
> your partner... perhaps you can both remove your noses from my ass,
> and play with each other. Just a thought, since you both seem to
> enjoy such "festivities."
>
>
> The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It must be very fustrating to you that your insults don't work in
extracting personal info that you desperately want.
;<)
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
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I agree..I see the same thing.
Hey conservatives...this guy actually shoots and I suspect is pretty
damn good at it.
TMT
Klaus Shadenfreude
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>Hey conservatives...this guy actually shoots and I suspect is pretty
>damn good at it.
Nobody really cares much what you "suspect."
Shall not be infringed
> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d45f58d0-525d-492b...@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
What would you do if a liberal co-worker asked you to teach them to
shoot a firearm?
Shall not be infringed
> >> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
> >> carrying?
>
> > Just keep your fly zipped and everythings good.
>
> That's easy to say now.
>
> >> It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
> >> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> >> something tells me you're not going to like it.
>
> > I could give a shit. I've been around responsible people carrying
> > guns all my life.
>
> Ever been around irresponsible people carrying guns? I have. Drunks,
> gang banging kids, drug dealers, etc. have all been known to carry guns.
> More of them than regular people, if you ask me.
Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
Don't we hire people to enforce the law? A bunch of people?
Municipal Police, County Sherrif, State Troopers, US Marshall, FBI,
ATF???
How come you don't feel safe?
Oh, I know. You "feel" that one more law is going to make a
difference. Right? No? Two more laws? Three?
You're an idiot.
> I've been around people
> with guns on their belt I didn't have a good feeling about.
Did you do something wrong? You remind me of the song, "stealing when
I should have been buying."
I never feel uncomfortable with other people in an open carry
situation.
> Try it sometime. You might get a different opinion. I don't feel the least bit
> worried at a controlled range. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I
> mean out on the street.
I'm smarter than to go places where I don't feel some measure of
safety.
That doesn't mean I'm carrying or not carrying at other times. My
choice, not yours.
> > Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
> > you're telling me?
>
> Am I telling you that I'm not responsible with guns? No. I am. I wasn't
> always though. But how do you know that about me or any other stranger
> you see carrying a gun? You don't. You have to take the risk that I'm as
> safe as you. That won't always be the case though, will it?
If it's holstered or slung, I could give a shit. When they draw or
handle the firearm I pay attention. If they are unsafe, I'll move
away.
> >> Apparently, you think
> >> only people like you are going to open carry.
>
> > And?
>
> It's just different when everybody has a gun. If you don't have a bit of
> an uneasy feeling when you see someone with a gun and you don't know
> them well then I don't get you. I only feel secure when I know the
> people with guns are safe and responsible. I know that won't be the case
> if everyone has one.
Go back to your situation #1 above. You intentionally go places that
you know are not safe. Your problem.
> >> You can believe me, when
> >> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> >> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> >> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.
>
> > Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
> > skilled.
>
> Me too. So you have no advantage and you life is in my hands if I decide
> to go off. You have no worry about that, right?
Your funeral, my trial.
> Anyone can go off and
> kill you if they have a loaded weapon handy. That is supposed to make a
> normal person at least a little nervous. I don't even like being around
> cops when they are carrying their guns. Unless I have one too. Then I
> feel better.
You're all about feelings, aren't you?
> >> If open carry is
> >> allowed
>
> > Is this China? Open carry IS legal.
>
> Not where I live and not in most of the U.S.
What???
> But the truth is even if
> you could go around carrying openly how many people would actually do
> it? I think almost nobody would. It's too inconvenient and what is the
> point. You just don't need a gun all that often. So far I've never
> needed one for self protection in my life.
Let's say that you canot predict the future, but at 9PM tonight you
will need a gun.
And since you've never needed one before, you don't have one tonight.
What are you going to do?
> >> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> >> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> >> Hawke
>
> > Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
> > that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
>
> That's exactly my point. Most of us think we're responsible just like we
> think we're good drivers. But there are plenty of people who can't drive
> worth crap and there are plenty that are not responsible with guns.
Yet we continue to drive.
> I can see carrying openly when you're out in the boonies but in town I
> can't see any reason for it. If you want to get a permit and carry
> concealed I think that is sensible. But just walking around everybody
> else with a gun on your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
>
> Hawke
You don't get to make my choices.
Shall not be infringed
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
He did make the first step and came over to the survival newsgroup
from the beer making newsgroup where he asked how many gallons a five
gallon carboy would hold. But I digress. He came to survivalism, but
instead of joining us and learning something he is argumentative and
resists ideas that his nanny education, nanny media, and nanny state
have impressed upon him. In other words, he is unable to think for
himself or use sound reasoning principles.
Shall not be infringed
> "Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:69d5a9e9-ed8f-494f...@y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 17, 2:26 am, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
> >>http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-disc...
>
> > Chief Eagle, I hate to correct you on this matter, but because of
> > Tools speech impediment, you mistakenly thought Tool said "Glocks."
>
> > Sounds like Glocks when he said it, but it starts with a "C."
>
> Maybe he oughta bring his clocks with him to Sunnyside, to get them cleaned.
Heh. Heh heh.
Chief Egalitarian
"Shall not be infringed" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, I certainly would make sure he paid for the lesson BEFORE we got
started :-)
Gray Ghost
news:hqd0up$9no$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
You can't have a gun, you've been adjudicated mentally incompetent.
--
God, guns and guts made America great.
And Janet Napolitano nervous.
Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?
Gray Ghost
@speranza.aioe.org:
Must be a gun club full of liberals because at the clubs I've been to over the
years most of the shooters were quite competent and safe. Must be a liberal
thing.
Gray Ghost
news:hqd0up$9no$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimi
>> nation
>>
>
> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
> carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> Hawke
>
BTW, this sounds kind of like a threat. Are you threatening to use your
weapons against people you disagree with? I wish you would.
Gray Ghost
news:f165023b-3ecb-4c53...@c27g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
That would require you to go to a gun range and I'm pretty sure you arenm't
allowee anywhere near one.
>
> Hey conservatives...this guy actually shoots and I suspect is pretty
> damn good at it.
Your suspicions are groundless and without merit. But if you really want to
get into a shooting match, have at it.
>
> TMT
Chief Egalitarian
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in
> news:hqd0up$9no$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>>> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-discrimi
>>> nation
>>>
>>
>> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
>> carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
>> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
>> something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
>> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
>> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>
>> Hawke
>>
>
> BTW, this sounds kind of like a threat. Are you threatening to use your
> weapons against people you disagree with? I wish you would.
He already stated in a roundabout way that he would feel threatened and
would shoot hungry immigrants who wanted a handout from him.
Chief Egalitarian
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hawke vs. TMT at the shooting range, how many bystanders would get killed?
How many maimed? Discuss.
Too_Many_Tools
Well said.
Why can't conservatives do the same?
Instead they try to throw crap like monkeys who are ashamed knowing
that they are related to the conservatives.
And from what I have personally seen, a conservative's aim for
throwing crap is similar to their shooting capabilities...not worth a
damn.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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Being around irresponsible drunks and gang-bangers more than regular
regular people says a lot about your character.
Seems like those are your "regular" people.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Laugh..laugh...laugh..
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
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From what I have seen, you are full of crap.
Most gun owners only live because of luck...not because of their
skill.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
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> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 17, 6:12 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
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> >> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 17, 5:57 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
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> >> >> >On Apr 17, 2:08 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
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> >> >> >> >http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-12-2010/open-carrier-disc...
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> >> >> >> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
> >> >> >> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
> >> >> >> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> >> >> >> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> >> >> >> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> >> >> >> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
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> >> >> >> Hawke
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> >> >> >As he should...since his kind can't shoot worth a damn.
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> >> >> >I see clowns at the range ever day making excuses.
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> >> ergo, you've never been to a shooting range. Thanks for the
> >> admission, assroach.
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> >> Kindly remove your nose. Hey, you've already claimed Cheese-Bob is
> >> your partner... perhaps you can both remove your noses from my ass,
> >> and play with each other. Just a thought, since you both seem to
> >> enjoy such "festivities."
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> Because, as worthless as you are, I'd really rather not see someone's
> nose getting shot off.
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> >That way all your buddies have something do when they aren't telling
> >us how great the Republicans are.
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> Oh, I call you out for being an idiot, and you assume I'm a
> Republican. Gunner and Cheese-Bob consider me leftist, for the sane
> reason (y'all are binary "thinking" idiots).
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> Show me any post I've made praising the Pugs. Go ahead. Or show me
> where I've praised the fucktarded Dumbs. Go ahead.
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> Show me either, OR you are showing the group that YOU are the party
> loyalist fucktard.
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After all these years still trying to get others to do your work?
You conservatives are really lazy bastards.
Do you even pull your pants down before you take a crap or is that too
much work too?
TMT
Wes
>That really is funny, good satire. Could have been from "The Onion"
>out of UW Madison WI, a liberal university where there is great
>tolerance for diverse viewpoints.
>
>Though about as subtle as a trainwreck, the humor does seem to have
>escaped some. I invite them to look again, find the fun here. Life is
>far too short to be taken seriously.
I couldn't believe they took the typical liberal activist story line and applied it to
open carry. Wyatt Cenac who was the corresponent in the piece has had a number of good
pieces lately.
Larry Wilmore can be a real hoot too.
Wes
Hawke
>>> When I see you open carry, then I will know that your liberalism is
>>> wearing off. Will you shoot that illegal Mexican who will try to rob
>>> you, or will you just hand your gun over to him? What would Obama do?
>>
>>
>> I already have two Glocks, and I know how to use them. I would use
>> them on anyone who presents a legitimate threat of death or great
>> bodily harm to me or anyone else I care about. I like guns. I have
>> more than enough for my protection. My "liberalism" is never going to
>> wear off. So what do you do when you have someone you think is liberal
>> but they act in a way you believe is conservative, like carrying a
>> gun? Maybe what you think about liberals is wrong. You should rethink
>> your conservative beliefs. They don't comport with reality. A liberal
>> with a gun? Does that go along with what a conservative thinks a
>> liberal would do? Hmmm?
>>
>>
>
> Dude, the illegal Mexican doesn't want to kill you or do you great
> bodily harm, he just wants some of your money so that he could buy a few
> tacos for his starving family. Obviously you don't care about people.
> You should hand him your gun so that he could pawn it for some food and
> some new Obama t-shirts.
I got some news for you. I lived in southern California for over 30
years. My high school's nickname was Guadalahabra high. I've been around
and have known lots of Mexicans for 40 years, so you don't need to tell
me anything about Mexicans. The only way I'd hand one of my guns to a
Mexican is if he was going to buy it for more than I paid for it.
Otherwise he's only going to get to see the business end of it. By the
way, for the most part I like Mexicans. But do I care about people in
general? Not that much. So how liberal does that sound? Maybe you don't
know what a liberal really is. Or maybe I'm not really one. I report,
you decide. Here's a hint though. Just because someone isn't a liberal
doesn't mean they're a conservative.
Hawke
Hawke
Just like nobody cares what you "think".
Hawke
Hawke
You're right on the money. The first problem you have if you use a gun
for self defense is are you correct in that judgment. Were you legally
right when you decided to use deadly force? You may have to make that
decision very quickly and without knowing a lot of the facts. Then if
you do use your weapon comes the second guessing by the state. Was it
all legal and proper? Hopefully it was and you aren't prosecuted for
using the weapon when you didn't have the legal right to do it. But even
if you were legally allowed to use the weapon you're not free from civil
liability. The person you shot can sue you even if you were legally in
the right and they may win in court. Last comes the psychological impact
on you that comes from shooting another human being. Some people have no
trouble with this but others are greatly affected by shooting another
person even though they had to. So the truth is it's a hell of a big
responsibility to even have a gun on you. Even more so if you actually
ever use it. Most people never give things like this a thought until its
way too late.
Hawke
Hawke
No, it's a matter of you not actually being around very many shooters.
If you've been to a public range you would know what I'm talking about.
But you've probably only been to real fancy schmancy ranges like the
Beverly Hills Gun Club that Eddie Murphy went to in the movie Beverly
Hills Cop. If you have really been to any ranges open to the public you
would have seen many examples of dangerous gun handling and plenty of
people doing unsafe things with their weapons. I'll chalk up your
ignorance to lack of experience around average and below average gun
owners. You must be one of those elite republican businessmen that never
comes in contact with the little people.
Hawke
Hawke
>>> Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
>>> that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
>>
>> Obviously he's concerned that he might become an unexpected casualty of some
>> other lib's failed suicide attempt. We see it in the papers each day. Libs
>> with guns, what's next, a women President?
>
> What would you do if a liberal co-worker asked you to teach them to
> shoot a firearm?
I'd help them out. I like teaching people how to use firearms safely.
I've even taken NRA classes for it.
Hawke
Hawke
Yeah, whatever they do after I show them how to use a weapon properly is
their business. I also believe suicide is a natural right. So if they
want to end it all who am I to say they can't?
Hawke
Hawke
>> Ever been around irresponsible people carrying guns? I have. Drunks,
>> gang banging kids, drug dealers, etc. have all been known to carry guns.
>> More of them than regular people, if you ask me.
>
> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
> Don't we hire people to enforce the law? A bunch of people?
>
> Municipal Police, County Sherrif, State Troopers, US Marshall, FBI,
> ATF???
>
> How come you don't feel safe?
I have a lot of life experience. I don't trust most people, men
especially. I don't give my back to a lot of them. You be the trusting
type. That's fine by me.
> Oh, I know. You "feel" that one more law is going to make a
> difference. Right? No? Two more laws? Three?
>
> You're an idiot.
Takes one to know one.
>> I've been around people
>> with guns on their belt I didn't have a good feeling about.
>
> Did you do something wrong? You remind me of the song, "stealing when
> I should have been buying."
>
> I never feel uncomfortable with other people in an open carry
> situation.
That only points out that you have never been to a lot of places. Your
lack of experience is what allows you to feel safe around people with
guns. I can show you places in Oakland where you would not feel safe
even with your gun. But I guess you've only been in safe places. Lucky you.
>> Try it sometime. You might get a different opinion. I don't feel the least bit
>> worried at a controlled range. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I
>> mean out on the street.
>
> I'm smarter than to go places where I don't feel some measure of
> safety.
Good for you. You restrict yourself to only places where your safety is
assured. Everyone else doesn't have that luxury.
> That doesn't mean I'm carrying or not carrying at other times. My
> choice, not yours.
Same with me. I'll carry if I want and what you want isn't relevant.
>>> Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
>>> you're telling me?
>>
>> Am I telling you that I'm not responsible with guns? No. I am. I wasn't
>> always though. But how do you know that about me or any other stranger
>> you see carrying a gun? You don't. You have to take the risk that I'm as
>> safe as you. That won't always be the case though, will it?
>
> If it's holstered or slung, I could give a shit. When they draw or
> handle the firearm I pay attention. If they are unsafe, I'll move
> away.
I don't worry if I'm at a gun show either. There are guns everywhere and
I don't feel worried at at all. But I'm not just at gun shows and very
nice private gun clubs.
>>>> Apparently, you think
>>>> only people like you are going to open carry.
>>
>>> And?
>>
>> It's just different when everybody has a gun. If you don't have a bit of
>> an uneasy feeling when you see someone with a gun and you don't know
>> them well then I don't get you. I only feel secure when I know the
>> people with guns are safe and responsible. I know that won't be the case
>> if everyone has one.
>
> Go back to your situation #1 above. You intentionally go places that
> you know are not safe. Your problem.
I haven't lately but in the past I have been in many places most people
would deem not safe. My choice. You stay were you're safe all the time.
I get that. It's what most folks want.
>>>> You can believe me, when
>>>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
>>>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
>>>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.
>>
>>> Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
>>> skilled.
>>
>> Me too. So you have no advantage and you life is in my hands if I decide
>> to go off. You have no worry about that, right?
>
> Your funeral, my trial.
Maybe. Maybe not.
>> Anyone can go off and
>> kill you if they have a loaded weapon handy. That is supposed to make a
>> normal person at least a little nervous. I don't even like being around
>> cops when they are carrying their guns. Unless I have one too. Then I
>> feel better.
>
> You're all about feelings, aren't you?
Yeah. Not you though, right? Too macho to admit your feelings? Or maybe
too scared to admit you have feelings? I'm not. Take it for what it's worth.
>>>> If open carry is
>>>> allowed
>>
>>> Is this China? Open carry IS legal.
>>
>> Not where I live and not in most of the U.S.
>
> What???
>
>> But the truth is even if
>> you could go around carrying openly how many people would actually do
>> it? I think almost nobody would. It's too inconvenient and what is the
>> point. You just don't need a gun all that often. So far I've never
>> needed one for self protection in my life.
>
> Let's say that you canot predict the future, but at 9PM tonight you
> will need a gun.
And I will have one! Maybe more.
> And since you've never needed one before, you don't have one tonight.
>
> What are you going to do?
Doesn't happen because I always have one, or more handy. Unless I'm in a
court room or the airport.
>>>> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>>>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>
>>>> Hawke
>>
>>> Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
>>> that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
>>
>> That's exactly my point. Most of us think we're responsible just like we
>> think we're good drivers. But there are plenty of people who can't drive
>> worth crap and there are plenty that are not responsible with guns.
>
> Yet we continue to drive.
And we continue to have people shot accidentally.
>> I can see carrying openly when you're out in the boonies but in town I
>> can't see any reason for it. If you want to get a permit and carry
>> concealed I think that is sensible. But just walking around everybody
>> else with a gun on your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> You don't get to make my choices.
Nor you mine. But I'm not a conservative so I wouldn't presume to make
them for someone else.
Hawke
Klaus Shadenfreude
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
Of course you don't. Leftists don't like to hear other opinions. They
make camps for those kinds of people.
Shall not be infringed
> >> Ever been around irresponsible people carrying guns? I have. Drunks,
> >> gang banging kids, drug dealers, etc. have all been known to carry guns.
> >> More of them than regular people, if you ask me.
>
> > Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> > Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
>
> Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
> anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
> break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
> lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
So don't try to tell me where or when I can have self-protection.
> > Don't we hire people to enforce the law? A bunch of people?
>
> > Municipal Police, County Sherrif, State Troopers, US Marshall, FBI,
> > ATF???
>
> > How come you don't feel safe?
>
> I have a lot of life experience. I don't trust most people, men
> especially. I don't give my back to a lot of them. You be the trusting
> type. That's fine by me.
Then do what's safe for you. But don't make my decisions for me.
> > Oh, I know. You "feel" that one more law is going to make a
> > difference. Right? No? Two more laws? Three?
>
> > You're an idiot.
>
> Takes one to know one.
>
> >> I've been around people
> >> with guns on their belt I didn't have a good feeling about.
>
> > Did you do something wrong? You remind me of the song, "stealing when
> > I should have been buying."
>
> > I never feel uncomfortable with other people in an open carry
> > situation.
>
> That only points out that you have never been to a lot of places. Your
> lack of experience is what allows you to feel safe around people with
> guns. I can show you places in Oakland where you would not feel safe
> even with your gun. But I guess you've only been in safe places. Lucky you.
Well there you have it. I told Larry (goes by diff nym now that
apparently has been approved by Cur-Lee) that he was in an untenable
situation because he lived in some shithole near Chicago.
If you live in some shithole and can afford a Glock, you can afford to
move.
> >> Try it sometime. You might get a different opinion. I don't feel the least bit
> >> worried at a controlled range. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I
> >> mean out on the street.
>
> > I'm smarter than to go places where I don't feel some measure of
> > safety.
>
> Good for you. You restrict yourself to only places where your safety is
> assured. Everyone else doesn't have that luxury.
I make it a point to house my family in good neighborhoods. It's
called being a responsible father.
> > That doesn't mean I'm carrying or not carrying at other times. My
> > choice, not yours.
>
> Same with me. I'll carry if I want and what you want isn't relevant.
Bullshit. You have other liberal ideas. Liberal ideas always
infringe on other people.
> >>> Unless you're telling me that you're irresponsible. Is that what
> >>> you're telling me?
>
> >> Am I telling you that I'm not responsible with guns? No. I am. I wasn't
> >> always though. But how do you know that about me or any other stranger
> >> you see carrying a gun? You don't. You have to take the risk that I'm as
> >> safe as you. That won't always be the case though, will it?
>
> > If it's holstered or slung, I could give a shit. When they draw or
> > handle the firearm I pay attention. If they are unsafe, I'll move
> > away.
>
> I don't worry if I'm at a gun show either. There are guns everywhere and
> I don't feel worried at at all. But I'm not just at gun shows and very
> nice private gun clubs.
Yeh. You choose to be where it isn't safe by your own admission.
> >>>> Apparently, you think
> >>>> only people like you are going to open carry.
>
> >>> And?
>
> >> It's just different when everybody has a gun. If you don't have a bit of
> >> an uneasy feeling when you see someone with a gun and you don't know
> >> them well then I don't get you. I only feel secure when I know the
> >> people with guns are safe and responsible. I know that won't be the case
> >> if everyone has one.
>
> > Go back to your situation #1 above. You intentionally go places that
> > you know are not safe. Your problem.
>
> I haven't lately but in the past I have been in many places most people
> would deem not safe. My choice. You stay were you're safe all the time.
> I get that. It's what most folks want.
Liberals like to live in shitty places, then say something clever
about it being bohemian.
> >>>> You can believe me, when
> >>>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
> >>>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
> >>>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart.
>
> >>> Doesn't mean shit to me. Just understand that I'm carrying, and I'm
> >>> skilled.
>
> >> Me too. So you have no advantage and you life is in my hands if I decide
> >> to go off. You have no worry about that, right?
>
> > Your funeral, my trial.
>
> Maybe. Maybe not.
>
> >> Anyone can go off and
> >> kill you if they have a loaded weapon handy. That is supposed to make a
> >> normal person at least a little nervous. I don't even like being around
> >> cops when they are carrying their guns. Unless I have one too. Then I
> >> feel better.
>
> > You're all about feelings, aren't you?
>
> Yeah. Not you though, right? Too macho to admit your feelings? Or maybe
> too scared to admit you have feelings? I'm not. Take it for what it's worth.
If I "think" a place isn't safe, why would I go there?
Well, this is a survivalist newsgroup, and you made the effort to be
here. If we could get back to discussing things of a survival nature
maybe I would come to understand why you are a risk taker. Don't tell
me that you ride a motorcycle.
> >>>> If open carry is
> >>>> allowed
>
> >>> Is this China? Open carry IS legal.
>
> >> Not where I live and not in most of the U.S.
>
> > What???
>
> >> But the truth is even if
> >> you could go around carrying openly how many people would actually do
> >> it? I think almost nobody would. It's too inconvenient and what is the
> >> point. You just don't need a gun all that often. So far I've never
> >> needed one for self protection in my life.
>
> > Let's say that you canot predict the future, but at 9PM tonight you
> > will need a gun.
>
> And I will have one! Maybe more.
>
> > And since you've never needed one before, you don't have one tonight.
>
> > What are you going to do?
>
> Doesn't happen because I always have one, or more handy. Unless I'm in a
> court room or the airport.
or if in Ohio, a bar.
> >>>> you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
> >>>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>
> >>>> Hawke
>
> >>> Why do you think it's going to be a problem? Just because you know
> >>> that you will behave irresponsibly doesn't mean the rest of us do.
>
> >> That's exactly my point. Most of us think we're responsible just like we
> >> think we're good drivers. But there are plenty of people who can't drive
> >> worth crap and there are plenty that are not responsible with guns.
>
> > Yet we continue to drive.
>
> And we continue to have people shot accidentally.
And shot intentionally. It's not a perfect world no matter how badly
a liberal wishes it.
> >> I can see carrying openly when you're out in the boonies but in town I
> >> can't see any reason for it. If you want to get a permit and carry
> >> concealed I think that is sensible. But just walking around everybody
> >> else with a gun on your hip like a cop seems a little weird, if you ask me.
>
> >> Hawke
>
> > You don't get to make my choices.
>
> Nor you mine. But I'm not a conservative so I wouldn't presume to make
> them for someone else.
Liberal ideas when codified always take choices away.
Shall not be infringed
> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> >> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> >> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
>
> >Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
> >anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
> >break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
> >lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
>
> refrain because it's wrong.
Why is it wrong?
Humanists seem to look to the natural world for their moral cues,
because, after all, we're just animals.
> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
> accordingly.
Our society is now full of adult "crack babies" and others with no
sense of right or wrong.
> The only reason we have to reduce that natural sense to
> laws is to provide a basis to prosecute and punish people that break
> normal standards. Once we can prosecute them ten times over what's
> the value of law eleven?
>
> It's questionable if laws actually prevent anything because the
> criminal always figures they can get away with it or they wouldn't do
> the crime in the first place.
>
> Punishment is not really a deterrent. All we need for that is to
> frame some poor bastard and make a lot of publicity about catching
> him. And again, the criminal has figured they have a way to get away
> with it that the guy in the newspaper wasn't smart enough to see.
> __
> WS in a.s and m.s
> Two parties, not a dimes worth of difference.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hqfuhr$2bb$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
You claimed to be liberal before, I guess I can't fault you from trying to
distance yourself from them now that people are calling you on how foolish
you sound. It usually takes longer than that for most libs to change
stripes, congratulations on your awakening out of your coma.
Shall not be infringed
> On 4/18/2010 8:40 AM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > message
> >news:ffdaa0c4-2e80-4339...@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Apr 17, 9:32 pm, "Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> wrote:
>
> >>> Obviously he's concerned that he might become an unexpected casualty
> >>> of some
> >>> other lib's failed suicide attempt. We see it in the papers each day.
> >>> Libs
> >>> with guns, what's next, a women President?
>
> >> What would you do if a liberal co-worker asked you to teach them to
> >> shoot a firearm?
>
> > Well, I certainly would make sure he paid for the lesson BEFORE we got
> > started :-)
>
> Yeah, whatever they do after I show them how to use a weapon properly is
> their business.
Are you sure a liberal prosecutor will see it that way?
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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I've also been to numerous ranges and haven't experienced safety problems,
knock wood. Even the first time shooters exhibit extra caution, in my
opinion, perhaps even more careful than the most experienced shooters.
Again, if I had to give my advice to you, that would be to associate with a
different class of people. Your bottom of the barrel pals will get you in
trouble someday. Maybe you are just shooting with all of those illegal
Mexicans you've grown to love over the past 40 years. Maybe they don't
understand the safety instructions in English?
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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Depending where you are, you may not have to worry about the civil courts.
Many Staes shield the self defender against civil repercussions if the
shooting was done in self defense. I'll agree about the psychological impact
that some people might feel. I may even feel sad for a short time but take
comfort in the fact that it was them instead of me or a loved one. Ice cream
usually cheers me up a bit :-) Actually, the honest citizen who defends
himself probably give it much more thought than the bad guy does.
Don Foreman
wrote:
> out of UW Madison WI, a liberal university where there is great
>> tolerance for diverse viewpoints.
>
>Uh, what universe are you from? Any viewpoint, as long as it's from the
>left. The traditional definition of liberal does not apply.
>Conservatives need not apply.
It's been over a decade since I've interacted with anyone there so I
won't argue the point.
Strabo
> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 7:17 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
>>>>> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
>>>> Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
>>>> anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
>>>> break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
>>>> lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
>>> I don't refrain from murdering because it's against the law. I
>>> refrain because it's wrong.
>> Why is it wrong?
>
> You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
>
"Why is it wrong?" Amazing isn't it? No concept of morality or
principle, only atheism and a fear of raw power.
But, that explains why some believe that laws of prohibition are
necessary for their survival. No matter that career criminals are
sociopaths or impulse driven individuals with little regard for
social graces. If one law doesn't do it, pass another.
It also explains why Hawke, TMT and others are deathly afraid of
individualism and libertarianism. They can't tolerate freedom and
liberty. They must have a strong government to protect them.
>
>> Humanists seem to look to the natural world for their moral cues,
>> because, after all, we're just animals.
>
> Works there too. Willful killing is rare in the animal kingdom, at
> least within a species. Few fights are to the death as there are
> clear and common rules for who backs down before it gets to that
> point.
>
>>> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
>>> accordingly.
>> Our society is now full of adult "crack babies" and others with no
>> sense of right or wrong.
>
> They are not "normal people" and there is no reason to consider them
> differently than any other criminal that kills.
Shall not be infringed
> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 18, 7:17 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> >> >> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
>
> >> >Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
> >> >anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
> >> >break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
> >> >lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
>
> >> I don't refrain from murdering because it's against the law. I
> >> refrain because it's wrong.
>
> >Why is it wrong?
>
> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
I have. I understand why it is wrong.
> >Humanists seem to look to the natural world for their moral cues,
> >because, after all, we're just animals.
>
> Works there too. Willful killing is rare in the animal kingdom, at
> least within a species. Few fights are to the death as there are
> clear and common rules for who backs down before it gets to that
> point.
Now we've established that it's OK to beat others of the same species,
just don't beat them to death.
And "might makes right" according to natural laws.
So we must get our legal system from something other than natural
laws, don't you think?
> >> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
> >> accordingly.
>
> >Our society is now full of adult "crack babies" and others with no
> >sense of right or wrong.
>
> They are not "normal people" and there is no reason to consider them
> differently than any other criminal that kills.
Fair enough.
Shall not be infringed
> >> On Apr 18, 7:17 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >>> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> >>>>> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
> >>>> Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
> >>>> anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
> >>>> break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
> >>>> lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
> >>> I don't refrain from murdering because it's against the law. I
> >>> refrain because it's wrong.
> >> Why is it wrong?
>
> > You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
> > morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
>
> "Why is it wrong?" Amazing isn't it? No concept of morality or
> principle, only atheism and a fear of raw power.
I often wonder where atheists get a sense of right and wrong, if they
have any.
> But, that explains why some believe that laws of prohibition are
> necessary for their survival. No matter that career criminals are
> sociopaths or impulse driven individuals with little regard for
> social graces. If one law doesn't do it, pass another.
And hurry up and pass more before the next election.
> It also explains why Hawke, TMT and others are deathly afraid of
> individualism and libertarianism. They can't tolerate freedom and
> liberty. They must have a strong government to protect them.
Tool is a psychopath. Hawke is afraid.
Don Foreman
An important reason for requiring training to get a CCW is to inform
applicants of these issues. Not all states require training. I
encourage everyone who buys a first handgun to get this training
whether or not they intend to carry or apply for a permit.
Gunner Asch
I strongly agree with Don. Get training!
It covers your ass if the shit hits the fan, and it helps you make the
RIGHT decisions. Which isnt always,,,, pulling the trigger.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Larry Jaques
<dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> scrawled the following:
I'll ditto that, Don. The classes also hammer it into you that you're
probably not going to be protecting the innocent and saving the world
with your new concealed weapon, that the legal implications of even
_showing_ it can be, shall we say, interesting. Oregon doesn't have a
requirement for hands-on training, so 90% of the class was oral, but
our instructor wanted to be sure that we could all hit a torso-sized
piece of cardboard at 15' with our weapons. We all did, without
problems or too much flinching. The guy standing to the right of my
little 4"-barreled P-11 complained of how loud the little beastie was.
I definitely want hearing protection when I shoot it.
--
"I think you very well may see a revolution in this country and
it will not be a revolution to overthrow the government," he said.
"It would be a revolution to restore government to its constitutional
basis." --Rob Weaver on VoA, 4/19/10
Hawke
> You claimed to be liberal before, I guess I can't fault you from trying
> to distance yourself from them now that people are calling you on how
> foolish you sound. It usually takes longer than that for most libs to
> change stripes, congratulations on your awakening out of your coma.
I've said it many times I don't fit the label of liberal. I have views
that are what liberals advocate but I have some that conservatives
believe too. I've been an independent for many years. So the truth is
I've been trying to distance myself from both parties, and I have. But
just because I am anti gun control, to a point, and am anti illegal
immigration doesn't mean I believe in conservatism. I don't. Your
problem is that you don't get it that everyone doesn't fit neatly into
lib or conservative boxes. I have some views from both and belong to
neither. In contrast, you're just a garden variety right winger, which
means we know were you stand without you having to tell us.
Hawke
Hawke
Not quite. Most of us are not "leftists" and it's true that we don't
bother with what people with closed minds like yours have to say most of
the time. We're glad to hear the opinions of people who have something
interesting to say. We have no time for people who just repeat the words
of radio talk show hosts. And you will find that many times we hear the
exact words of the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh repeated by right
wingers here all the time. Those we do ignore. Why not? If we want to
hear from bigoted, racist, ignorant, clowns, we can just tune in to them
on the radio.
Hawke
Hawke
> I've also been to numerous ranges and haven't experienced safety
> problems, knock wood. Even the first time shooters exhibit extra
> caution, in my opinion, perhaps even more careful than the most
> experienced shooters. Again, if I had to give my advice to you, that
> would be to associate with a different class of people. Your bottom of
> the barrel pals will get you in trouble someday. Maybe you are just
> shooting with all of those illegal Mexicans you've grown to love over
> the past 40 years. Maybe they don't understand the safety instructions
> in English?
I can tell you that I have found that a lot of Mexicans are not good at
safe weapon handling. But that is just personal experience. Go to the
public ranges where there is no range master more often and you will see
that what I say is true. It's only logical that people with little
experience with firearms will not be as safe as experienced people are.
I have seen people do things at the public range you would not believe.
I've seen people start walking out to their targets when other people
are still shooting. I see people with terrible muzzle control sweep
people with their guns repeatedly. I've seen all kinds of scary things
done at the public range. In fact, I know a number of people who won't
even go because they think it's too dangerous.
You've seen nothing like that, you say. You are lucky. Either that or
you have not been to many public ranges, which is understandable because
they are disappearing all the time. All I know is what I have seen
myself. I have lots of experience with firearms. I shoot a lot with a
lot of different guns so I know what I'm doing. Most people shoot
infrequently and don't have experience with many different guns. You
seem to think those people are all "safe". I don't, and I keep a very
close watch on them if they are near me. As long as you keep going to
the nice, safe ranges you frequent then I guess you'll never see what I
have.
Hawke
Hawke
> Hawke<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>>> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
>>> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
>>
>> Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
>> anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
>> break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
>> lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
>
> refrain because it's wrong.
That may be what motivates you but there are other people out there and
the only reason they haven't killed people is because it's against the
law. Don't make the mistake of thinking everyone thinks like you.
>
> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
> accordingly. The only reason we have to reduce that natural sense to
> laws is to provide a basis to prosecute and punish people that break
> normal standards. Once we can prosecute them ten times over what's
> the value of law eleven?
The world is full of people who are not normal. All over the idea of
what is right and wrong are completely different. So what keeps a
society in order is not what is normal but what is legal. Sometimes they
are the same and sometimes not. Our society is old so we have lots of
laws. Most don't apply to many situation but they are on the books. They
just add new ones but don't remove the old ones, which is why there are
so many laws.
> It's questionable if laws actually prevent anything because the
> criminal always figures they can get away with it or they wouldn't do
> the crime in the first place.
Human behavior isn't like that. Why do we have traffic laws? Why speed
limits? Do they keep people from speeding? For the most part they do. So
law does deter people. Not everyone and not all the time, but most, most
of the time. And we're all criminals. Some of us just have not been
caught. You have broken laws in your life at some point. So you are a
criminal too, just haven't been caught.
> Punishment is not really a deterrent. All we need for that is to
> frame some poor bastard and make a lot of publicity about catching
> him. And again, the criminal has figured they have a way to get away
> with it that the guy in the newspaper wasn't smart enough to see.
Punishment has always been an effective deterrent. You look at most laws
and they are not for serious things. They're mainly regulations but they
do keep most people from breaking them or at least by very much. Some
work better than others though. But the better the enforcement the
better all laws work. When a cop is on the corner what laws will you
break? So you see, it deters you. It works the same on most other people
too. You just can't get everyone to obey every law every time. But it's
not designed to.
Hawke
Hawke
>> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
>> carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
>> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
>> something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
>> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
>> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>
>> Hawke
>>
>
> weapons against people you disagree with? I wish you would.
>
You wouldn't wish that if it were you. You guys just don't get it do
you? Me having a loaded weapon on me is a threat. Don't you get that? I
don't have to do anything but let you know I'm carrying a gun and that
should alert you to the fact that I am a much bigger threat to your
health than the old lady in a wheelchair. If you can't understand why a
man with a gun is more dangerous to you than one without one then you
are incapable of understanding anything.
Hawke
Hawke
>
>
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D5E80D0A43FCWe...@216.196.97.142...
>> Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in
>> news:hqd0up$9no$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2010 11:26 PM, Chief Egalitarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> nation
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just wonder how you would like it when people like me start open
>>> carrying? It seems you think it's a great idea for everyone to have open
>>> carry. When we "liberals" start carrying our guns out in public
>>> something tells me you're not going to like it. Apparently, you think
>>> only people like you are going to open carry. You can believe me, when
>>> people who vehemently disagree with everything you stand for and dislike
>>> you personally start coming around you carrying loaded weapons I think
>>> your discomfort level is going to go off the chart. If open carry is
>>> allowed you can count on those of us who oppose you politically to be
>>> carrying beau-coup firepower everywhere we go. Hope you like it.
>>>
>>> Hawke
>>>
>>
>> BTW, this sounds kind of like a threat. Are you threatening to use your
>> weapons against people you disagree with? I wish you would.
>
> would shoot hungry immigrants who wanted a handout from him.
Luckily I've been able to refrain from shooting anyone up to this point
in my life. I hope I can keep my record intact but I'm like a tea party
member. I'm really mad at what republicans have done to my country and I
have a gun. But I'm just like a tea party member so that's nothing for
anyone to worry about, right?
Hawke
Hawke
>> You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
>> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
>>
>
> "Why is it wrong?" Amazing isn't it? No concept of morality or
> principle, only atheism and a fear of raw power.
Not like conservatives huh? They don't have any respect for power do
they? Give us a break, okay? Conservatives have no respect for anything
but power and force. If you try to use reason they call you a liberal.
> But, that explains why some believe that laws of prohibition are
> necessary for their survival. No matter that career criminals are
> sociopaths or impulse driven individuals with little regard for
> social graces. If one law doesn't do it, pass another.
Sounds good but when conservatives are in power there is no lessening of
laws, now is there? In fact, conservatives pass more laws restricting
your freedoms than liberals do. Look at what Bush did to your freedoms.
Here's a hint, they weren't expanded.
> It also explains why Hawke, TMT and others are deathly afraid of
> individualism and libertarianism. They can't tolerate freedom and
> liberty. They must have a strong government to protect them.
We're just not in a fantasy like you boys are. Individualism and
libertarianism, huh? Let's see. Are you a member of a society, a family,
of a church, a business, of a local community, of a state, of a country,
are you a member of a club, are you a member of a political party, of a
sports team? I'll wager you are probably a member of all of those. And
then you claim to believe in individualism. Hah! no one that is living
in modern America is an individualist, least of all someone like you who
belongs to so many different social groups. Everyone is a part of so
many groups and organizations it isn't even funny. Besides that, you
already benefit from so many governmental protections you can't believe
it. Your whole life is the way it is due to government protections. But
leave it to guys like you to not even realize the truth even when it's
right in front of your own face.
Hawke
Klaus Shadenfreude
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>On 4/18/2010 6:00 PM, Klaus Shadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:48:41 -0700, Hawke
>> <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>
>>> On 4/18/2010 6:50 AM, Klaus Shadenfreude wrote:
>>>> [Default] On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:46:51 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>>> <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey conservatives...this guy actually shoots and I suspect is pretty
>>>>> damn good at it.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody really cares much what you "suspect."
>>>
>>>
>>> Just like nobody cares what you "think".
>>
>> Of course you don't. Leftists don't like to hear other opinions. They
>> make camps for those kinds of people.
>
>
>Not quite.
Yes, quite.
> Most of us are not "leftists"
I know. I lot of you are just dumb cunts.
Gunner Asch
Ayup. They just look like Leftists. It the mental illness versus the
utter stupidity. They often resemble each other.
pyotr filipivich
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>An important reason for requiring training to get a CCW is to inform
>>applicants of these issues. Not all states require training. I
>>encourage everyone who buys a first handgun to get this training
>>whether or not they intend to carry or apply for a permit.
>
>
>I strongly agree with Don. Get training!
>
>It covers your ass if the shit hits the fan, and it helps you make the
>RIGHT decisions. Which isnt always,,,, pulling the trigger.
"Lethal force is not an option. It is all that you have left
after your options run out." I remember that from the class.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:09:51 -0700
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>>An important reason for requiring training to get a CCW is to inform
>>>applicants of these issues. Not all states require training. I
>>>encourage everyone who buys a first handgun to get this training
>>>whether or not they intend to carry or apply for a permit.
>>
>>
>>I strongly agree with Don. Get training!
>>
>>It covers your ass if the shit hits the fan, and it helps you make the
>>RIGHT decisions. Which isnt always,,,, pulling the trigger.
>
> "Lethal force is not an option. It is all that you have left
>after your options run out." I remember that from the class.
Absolutely correct.
Which is the reason Ive NOT had to pull the trigger the last 6 times I
had to present my weapon. I hope..pray... that continues.
Gunner
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
pyotr filipivich
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:12:47 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 19 Apr 2010 23:09:51 -0700
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>>>An important reason for requiring training to get a CCW is to inform
>>>>applicants of these issues. Not all states require training. I
>>>>encourage everyone who buys a first handgun to get this training
>>>>whether or not they intend to carry or apply for a permit.
>>>
>>>
>>>I strongly agree with Don. Get training!
>>>
>>>It covers your ass if the shit hits the fan, and it helps you make the
>>>RIGHT decisions. Which isnt always,,,, pulling the trigger.
>>
>> "Lethal force is not an option. It is all that you have left
>>after your options run out." I remember that from the class.
>
>Absolutely correct.
>
>Which is the reason Ive NOT had to pull the trigger the last 6 times I
>had to present my weapon. I hope..pray... that continues.
The MP told me he was taught, and did teach, "Do not un holster
unless you mean to fire it, do not fire unless you intend to shoot
some one, do not shoot some one unless you intend a fatal wound." Not
that you _had_ do all those things, but "It's not a game, it's not a
method for sending a 'message' - if you're not as serious as a heart
attack in a bus driver, do not even stop.
Or as I put it once, using a fake gun to try and scare off someone
merely wastes times you could have spent running away.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hql8lv$i51$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
It must be a California thing. I don't see many Mexicans shooting at the
ranges around here.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hqla9t$k3r$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
The democrat in you cancelled out all of the madness, right?
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hqlb4v$lcv$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>>> You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
>>> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
>>>
>>
>> "Why is it wrong?" Amazing isn't it? No concept of morality or
>> principle, only atheism and a fear of raw power.
>
> Not like conservatives huh? They don't have any respect for power do they?
> Give us a break, okay? Conservatives have no respect for anything but
> power and force. If you try to use reason they call you a liberal.
You should have no worries about anyone calling you a lib then.
Chief Egalitarian
"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:ijnrs5d4617cblnjg...@4ax.com...
What kind of instructor lets his students on the range without his ears on?
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
news:4bcf...@news.x-privat.org:
> What kind of instructor lets his students on the range without his
> ears on?
Most of them, unfortunately. I guess they figure that the participants
won't get enough noise over the long run to adversely affect them...
sigh...
On the other subject of "making split-second decisions" about using
deadly force or not: that's a matter of training, too. But it is not
necessarily the sort of training you're going to get from the average CCW
instructor. It involves lots of "mental exercises", planning (yes
_planning_) then mentally and physically practicing what your actions
will be in any *of a lot of* given threatening situations.
I had a very wise hand-to-hand instructor in Riv-Div/Cos-Div training who
told us (in essence), "Your feet are your most effective defensive
weapons. Nobody WINS in hand-to-hand combat, one guy just loses worse
than the other. So USE your feet -- in almost every case by planting one
after the other as fast as you can. Only engage in personal combat when
it's the ONLY option available." Or that gist. Wise man. It paid off
in 'Nam. 100' of separation while armed is a _good_ thing!
LLoyd
Gunner Asch
I was range master for 14 yrs at our local gun club.
Mexicans..up to the 2nd generation..needed to be watched closely. Very
closely.
Some exceptions..but few..very few.
Gunner
Don Foreman
If he saw what you've seen, they wouldn't be nice safe ranges, right?
I belong to two gun clubs and visit two public ranges. The clubs
aren't fancy. Dues at one are $20/yr.
I haven't seen the sort of reckless behavior you describe. If I were
to see such unsafe/incompetent behavior, I would not return to that
range.
Hawke
>>>>> Nobody really cares much what you "suspect."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just like nobody cares what you "think".
>>>
>>> Of course you don't. Leftists don't like to hear other opinions. They
>>> make camps for those kinds of people.
>>
>>
>> Not quite.
>
> Yes, quite.
>
>> Most of us are not "leftists"
>
> I know. I lot of you are just dumb cunts.
>
The bad news for you is that a dumb cunt is far above you in brain
power. Which makes you really, really, stupid.
Hawke
Hawke
>> You've seen nothing like that, you say. You are lucky. Either that or
>> you have not been to many public ranges, which is understandable
>> because they are disappearing all the time. All I know is what I have
>> seen myself. I have lots of experience with firearms. I shoot a lot
>> with a lot of different guns so I know what I'm doing. Most people
>> shoot infrequently and don't have experience with many different guns.
>> You seem to think those people are all "safe". I don't, and I keep a
>> very close watch on them if they are near me. As long as you keep
>> going to the nice, safe ranges you frequent then I guess you'll never
>> see what I have.
>>
>
> It must be a California thing. I don't see many Mexicans shooting at the
> ranges around here.
Consider yourself lucky. But most of the idiot yahoos that I see doing
stupid stuff at the range are white guys, unfortunately.
Hawke
Hawke
Since it's agreed that conservatives call you a liberal if you use
reason, then by all means call me a lib. The bad part for you is that
when people call you a conservative they know that you never use reason.
Just your feelings.
Hawke
Klaus Shadenfreude
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns:
>
>>>>>> Nobody really cares much what you "suspect."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like nobody cares what you "think".
>>>>
>>>> Of course you don't. Leftists don't like to hear other opinions. They
>>>> make camps for those kinds of people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not quite.
>>
>> Yes, quite.
>>
>>> Most of us are not "leftists"
>>
>> I know. I lot of you are just dumb cunts.
>>
>
>
>The bad news for you is that a dumb cunt is
how we can describe most of the leftist morons posting here, including
TMT and you.
[chuckle]
Hawke
>>>> BTW, this sounds kind of like a threat. Are you threatening to use your
>>>> weapons against people you disagree with? I wish you would.
>>>
>>> He already stated in a roundabout way that he would feel threatened and
>>> would shoot hungry immigrants who wanted a handout from him.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I've been able to refrain from shooting anyone up to this
>> point in my life. I hope I can keep my record intact but I'm like a
>> tea party member. I'm really mad at what republicans have done to my
>> country and I have a gun. But I'm just like a tea party member so
>> that's nothing for anyone to worry about, right?
>>
>
>
> The democrat in you cancelled out all of the madness, right?
Since I am not a Democrat I guess not.
Hawke
Harold Burton
Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
> The bad news for you is that a dumb cunt is far above you in brain
> power.
You are?
snicker.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hqqs24$knd$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Spot Hack trimming the attributes to where he calls himself a dumb cunt.
Priceless.
Chief Egalitarian
"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
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Because it doesn't happen. Hack is just sticking up for his boyfriend TMT.
It's Hack's basement that TMT visits when he's lonely, you know, Hack's two
daddies' (both of them) basement.
Chief Egalitarian
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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Nobody agreed with you except you.. Since you can't use reason, the
conservatives can't call you a lib. But I can. Obama lover.
Shall not be infringed
> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >On Apr 18, 9:31 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >> Shall not be infringed <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 18, 7:17 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >> >> Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
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> >> >> >> Aren't there already laws prohibiting all that? A bunch of laws?
> >> >> >> Stacks of laws? Layer upon layer of laws?
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> >> >> >Yeah, like murder. That's against the law isn't it? People still do it
> >> >> >anyway. Some people do. So should we no have laws become some people
> >> >> >break them? Laws never stop everyone from doing wrong. They do stop a
> >> >> >lot though and that is all we expect, not perfection.
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> >> >> I don't refrain from murdering because it's against the law. I
> >> >> refrain because it's wrong.
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> >> >Why is it wrong?
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> >> You gotta work that one out for yourself. Come at it from religion,
> >> morality, ethics, or philosophy, the conclusion seems to be the same.
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> Then why did you ask? Baiting?
Baiting? No. I'm always curious where morality springs forth in
atheists.
> >> >Humanists seem to look to the natural world for their moral cues,
> >> >because, after all, we're just animals.
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> >> Works there too. Willful killing is rare in the animal kingdom, at
> >> least within a species. Few fights are to the death as there are
> >> clear and common rules for who backs down before it gets to that
> >> point.
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> >Now we've established that it's OK to beat others of the same species,
> >just don't beat them to death.
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> "OK" is your words, not mine. I simply report what is universally
> witnessed in nature. In reply to your comment about the animal world.
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> >And "might makes right" according to natural laws.
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> It worked for Bush. I expect you would agree with him.
He won the election.
> >So we must get our legal system from something other than natural
> >laws, don't you think?
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> You are diverting again. The discussion was about human laws until
> you diverted it to the animal world. Now you shoot down your own
> point while pretending it was mine. Boy do NeoCons have scattered
> thinking!!
I'm still curious where atheists get their morality.
> >> >> Normal people instinctively know what's right and wrong and act
> >> >> accordingly.
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> >> >Our society is now full of adult "crack babies" and others with no
> >> >sense of right or wrong.
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> >> They are not "normal people" and there is no reason to consider them
> >> differently than any other criminal that kills.
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> >Fair enough.
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Wes
>I can tell you that I have found that a lot of Mexicans are not good at
>safe weapon handling. But that is just personal experience. Go to the
>public ranges where there is no range master more often and you will see
>that what I say is true. It's only logical that people with little
>experience with firearms will not be as safe as experienced people are.
>I have seen people do things at the public range you would not believe.
>I've seen people start walking out to their targets when other people
>are still shooting. I see people with terrible muzzle control sweep
>people with their guns repeatedly. I've seen all kinds of scary things
>done at the public range. In fact, I know a number of people who won't
>even go because they think it's too dangerous.
I stay away from public ranges. I shoot at home, family property or the club I belong to.
For the most part club members have it together. Sporatic incidents have declined once we
replaced the combination lock on the gate (too many shared the combination) with a RFID
badge scanner.
For a social reason we teach kids to drive while in school. For political reasons we
don't teach them about safe gun handling.
I also don't hunt on public lands. Sadly I don't bicycle on public roads either, too many
idiots texting on their cell phone while driving their suv.
There are a lot of idiots operating dangerous devices of all types out there.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller