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Howard Eisenhauer

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Feb 6, 2010, 10:30:50 AM2/6/10
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Winston

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Feb 6, 2010, 11:55:58 AM2/6/10
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On 2/6/2010 7:30 AM, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
> H. :)

That is brilliant!
Now all I need is a tilting car seat that makes me feel as
if I'm really accelerating.

:)

--Winston

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Abbey Somebody

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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:55:58 -0800, Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net>
wrote:

>On 2/6/2010 7:30 AM, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>
>> H. :)
>
>That is brilliant!
>Now all I need is a tilting car seat that makes me feel as
>if I'm really accelerating.
>
>:)
>
>--Winston

Hallucinogens work. :-)

So do delusions. After all... that is all that this is.

T

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Feb 6, 2010, 1:22:09 PM2/6/10
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In article <fk2rm5lenqd1htsfu...@4ax.com>,
how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca says...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
> H. :)

Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
side of the road!

anthony fremont

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Feb 6, 2010, 1:35:28 PM2/6/10
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On Feb 6, 9:30 am, Howard Eisenhauer <howa...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca>

Ingenious. Now it needs an accelerometer for squealing tires when you
first take off, corner and then skid to a stop.

Buerste

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Feb 6, 2010, 1:39:54 PM2/6/10
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"Howard Eisenhauer" <how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
> H. :)

Cool! Do they have one that makes my V-8 sound like it's getting more than
13 MPG?

Buerste

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Feb 6, 2010, 1:40:46 PM2/6/10
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"T" <kd1s....@cox.nospam.net> wrote in message
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Watch through a mirror.

Jon Anderson

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Feb 6, 2010, 1:45:36 PM2/6/10
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T wrote:

> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
> side of the road!

It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
wrong side of the road...

First time I got in a right side drive car, engine was running. Not used
to a gas pedal on the right side of the car, I inadvertently hit the
pedal as I start to get it, and of course the engine redlines. For just
a moment, I'm wondering who's the idiot racing their engine.

Oh, it's me... LOL


Jon

alie...@gmail.com

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Feb 6, 2010, 5:14:14 PM2/6/10
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On Feb 6, 7:30 am, Howard Eisenhauer <howa...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca>

Shades of Kornbluth's _The Marching Morons_.


Mark L. Fergerson

lal_truckee

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Feb 6, 2010, 7:21:01 PM2/6/10
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IDB they still make those dashboard clamp/mag on fans; could load up
with the whole TMM shebang.

Dimensional Traveler

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Feb 6, 2010, 7:45:39 PM2/6/10
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Ha! If I can ever afford a RV, I'll put one of those in it. :-D

--
Murphy was an optimist.

Larry Jaques

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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, the infamous Howard Eisenhauer
<how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> scrawled the following:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
>H. :)

VERY cool. I should buy one of these for my newest client who used to
race fuelies. He'd shit a brick hearing it.

--
Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire,
you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sylvia Else

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Feb 7, 2010, 4:07:26 AM2/7/10
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On 7/02/2010 5:45 AM, Jon Anderson wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
>> side of the road!
>
> It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
> It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
> wrong side of the road...

Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here in
Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the wrong
way before pulling out in front of a truck :(

Sylvia.

Ed Huntress

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Feb 7, 2010, 8:17:00 AM2/7/10
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"Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach one,
my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic diagrams
appear in my head. I bite my lip...

--
Ed Huntress


David Billington

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Feb 7, 2010, 8:27:40 AM2/7/10
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What does this do for you then
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live_search_gallery.shtml?15
, Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.

Gunner Asch

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Feb 7, 2010, 8:57:18 AM2/7/10
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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
<how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
>H. :)


Now that is WAY WAY cool!

Gotta get one for the Ranger!!

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

wmbjk...@citlink.net

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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:18 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
><how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>
>>H. :)
>
>
>Now that is WAY WAY cool!
>
>Gotta get one for the Ranger!!
>
>Gunner

Well sure, that's the perfect investment for somebody who says he's
entering bankruptcy. Now all you have to do is find a vendor who'll
let you pay in food stamps.

Wayne

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Michael A. Terrell

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Feb 7, 2010, 11:42:40 AM2/7/10
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Fred Abse wrote:

>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:17:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> > Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach
> > one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic
> > diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> Brits love going round in circles ;-)


When aren't they going in circles? :)


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Jon Anderson

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Feb 7, 2010, 1:35:31 PM2/7/10
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Sylvia Else wrote:

> Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here in
> Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the wrong
> way before pulling out in front of a truck :(

Funny, I don't make that mistake when driving, but as a pedestrian, I
just cannot seem to help but look the wrong way...


Jon

cl...@snyder.on.ca

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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:05:47 -0800, Fred Abse
<excret...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:17:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>

>> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach
>> one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic
>> diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>

>Brits love going round in circles ;-)
>

>I think Garces Circle in Bakersfield, CA qualifies as a roundabout. I've
>come across a couple just outside Grand Junction, CO, and one in Balboa, CA,
>too. At least the traffic goes around those the right way.


About a dozen in Waterloo Region (Ontario Canada) and more in the
works.

Larry Jaques

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Feb 7, 2010, 2:10:10 PM2/7/10
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On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:55:58 -0800, the infamous Winston
<Win...@bigbrother.net> scrawled the following:

>On 2/6/2010 7:30 AM, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>
>> H. :)
>
>That is brilliant!
>Now all I need is a tilting car seat that makes me feel as
>if I'm really accelerating.

The quick fix for that is to insert it only on UPhill runs, Winnie.

--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust

Larry Jaques

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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:18 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:

>On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
><how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>
>>H. :)
>
>
>Now that is WAY WAY cool!
>
>Gotta get one for the Ranger!!

The welder or the vehicle?

Ed Huntress

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"David Billington" <d...@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4b6ebfcc$0$2489$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk...

Is that the one with the signs that say "Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter
Here"?

That's evil.

--
Ed Huntress


Ed Huntress

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"Fred Abse" <excret...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:17:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach
>> one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic
>> diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> Brits love going round in circles ;-)
>
> I think Garces Circle in Bakersfield, CA qualifies as a roundabout. I've
> come across a couple just outside Grand Junction, CO, and one in Balboa,
> CA,
> too. At least the traffic goes around those the right way.

We used to have lots of them in NJ. There still are a few. We call them
circles.

They're difficult enough, sometimes, even if the traffic stays on the right
side of the road. The first time I encountered one in the UK, it felt like
being in a demolition derby.

--
Ed Huntress


Gunner Asch

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Feb 7, 2010, 2:56:33 PM2/7/10
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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:05:47 -0800, Fred Abse
<excret...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:17:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>

>> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach
>> one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic
>> diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>

>Brits love going round in circles ;-)
>
>I think Garces Circle in Bakersfield, CA qualifies as a roundabout. I've
>come across a couple just outside Grand Junction, CO, and one in Balboa, CA,
>too. At least the traffic goes around those the right way.


There are two of them in Bakersfield

<G>

Gunner Asch

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Feb 7, 2010, 2:58:04 PM2/7/10
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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:13:55 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:18 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
>><how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>>H. :)
>>
>>
>>Now that is WAY WAY cool!
>>
>>Gotta get one for the Ranger!!
>
>The welder or the vehicle?


ah....er....hummmm! Both of course!

Though to be fair..the welder will need a cig lighter and a stereo
system added.....

Spehro Pefhany

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Feb 7, 2010, 5:10:27 PM2/7/10
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First time I was in HK, jet-lagged, I looked the wrong way, stepped
off the curb (spelled "kerb" there, I guess) and got knocked down by a
mini-van. Fortunately, no major damage to either party. These days
they have markings on the pavement that say "Look right".

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Michael A. Terrell

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Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:13:55 -0800, Larry Jaques
> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:18 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
> ><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
> >
> >>On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
> >><how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
> >>>
> >>>H. :)
> >>
> >>
> >>Now that is WAY WAY cool!
> >>
> >>Gotta get one for the Ranger!!
> >
> >The welder or the vehicle?
>
> ah....er....hummmm! Both of course!
>
> Though to be fair..the welder will need a cig lighter and a stereo
> system added.....


Don't forget the cup holders! ;-)

Adrian C

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Feb 7, 2010, 6:37:05 PM2/7/10
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On 07/02/2010 13:27, David Billington wrote:

> What does this do for you then
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live_search_gallery.shtml?15
> , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
> understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.

Try these links on the same ...

The Magic Roundabout
<http://www.cbrd.co.uk/indepth/magicroundabout/>

Videos
<http://www.cbrd.co.uk/media/video/magic.shtml>

--
Adrian C

Wes

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Feb 7, 2010, 7:31:55 PM2/7/10
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Howard Eisenhauer <how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>
>H. :)


Finally, a use for those car stereo systems with the 5 farad capacitors and extra
batteries in the trunk!

Wes

Wes

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Feb 7, 2010, 7:35:56 PM2/7/10
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Jon Anderson <jande...@comcast.net> wrote:

>T wrote:
>
>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
>> side of the road!
>
>It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
>It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
>wrong side of the road...


I was home on leave after spending a year in Japan and Okinawa, I'm minding my beeswax
driving down a road when some idiot is coming my way in my lane.

Eventually the real idiot (me) got back in to my lane.

Wes

Wes

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Feb 7, 2010, 7:39:19 PM2/7/10
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach one,
>my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic diagrams
>appear in my head. I bite my lip...


I ran into one just off an interstate in the USA. All this expense for wide roads, trees
cleared away, guard rails and such to protect me from misadventure and then they put in a
round about. Wtf was that engineer thinking? Didn't he get the message we are trying to
make the road ways safer?

Wes

Ed Huntress

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"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:X2Jbn.260567$N07.1...@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...

They were a good way to avoid 4-way intersections, when traffic moved at 35
mph. <g> I spun my VW beetle on one in '69, in south Jersey, out in the Pine
Barrens, where there were no lights and you couldn't see it coming. 'Damned
near wound up on my back.

The last one in my area was replaced around ten years ago (intersection of
US 1 and US 130). Good riddance.

--
Ed Huntress


Gunner Asch

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Feb 7, 2010, 10:14:56 PM2/7/10
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Oh hell yes. Most rickytick!

Sylvia Else

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Feb 7, 2010, 11:08:51 PM2/7/10
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Ye Gods! What purpose does that serve? How many accidents a day do they
get there? Reply using scientific notation if necessary.

A particular observation for US readers - from the perspective of
British drivers, they're going the wrong way around the middle circle.

Sylvia.

alie...@gmail.com

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On Feb 7, 8:08 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 8/02/2010 12:27 AM, David Billington wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
> >>news:00ea4fb5$0$17131$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> >>> On 7/02/2010 5:45 AM, Jon Anderson wrote:
> >>>> T wrote:
>
> >>>>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
> >>>>> side of the road!
> >>>> It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
> >>>> It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
> >>>> wrong side of the road...
> >>> Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here
> >>> in Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the
> >>> wrong way before pulling out in front of a truck :(
>
> >>> Sylvia.
>
> >> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I
> >> approach one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache.
> >> Traffic diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> > What does this do for you then
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live...

> > , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
> > understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.
>
> Ye Gods! What purpose does that serve? How many accidents a day do they
> get there? Reply using scientific notation if necessary.
>
> A particular observation for US readers - from the perspective of
> British drivers, they're going the wrong way around the middle circle.

There's only one way I'd even try to negotiate that monstrosity;
over in rec.arts.sf.written a discussion of inertially-confined fusion
swerved into hole-in-the-ground fission-bomb-powered steam-mediated
power generation. One poster pshawed that and expressed a desire for
an Orion-based engine. With a crankshaft. Poster then suggested
imagining the truck one could power with such an engine.

Now that he's redefined the term "monster truck", I might give that
a shot.


Mark L. Fergerson

Michael A. Terrell

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Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:24:14 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:13:55 -0800, Larry Jaques
> >> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:57:18 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
> >> ><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:50 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
> >> >><how...@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
> >> >>>
> >> >>>H. :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Now that is WAY WAY cool!
> >> >>
> >> >>Gotta get one for the Ranger!!
> >> >
> >> >The welder or the vehicle?
> >>
> >> ah....er....hummmm! Both of course!
> >>
> >> Though to be fair..the welder will need a cig lighter and a stereo
> >> system added.....
> >
> >
> > Don't forget the cup holders! ;-)
>
> Oh hell yes. Most rickytick!


You can use old CD-ROM drives, in a pinch! ;-)

David Billington

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Feb 8, 2010, 3:23:21 AM2/8/10
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Related to this IIRC in the early years of the 20th century British
Columbia drove on the left, as in the UK and a few other places, but as
there was no formal border patrol to stop US people driving across and
continuing on the wrong side a number of accidents ensued. The gave up
and swapped sides, not a big issue in the day as cars weren't that common.
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Baron

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Fred Abse Inscribed thus:

> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:45:57 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> They're difficult enough, sometimes, even if the traffic stays on the
>> right side of the road. The first time I encountered one in the UK,
>> it felt like being in a demolition derby.
>

> You should try going round the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. No rules, no
> discipline, every man for himself, change lane at will without using
> mirror.

Yes thats one experience I would like to forget. I went round two or
three times trying to get to the outside edge. The swine don't think
anything about getting on the outside of you and forcing you into the
center. They all know where the horn is !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Ed Huntress

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"Fred Abse" <excret...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:45:57 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> They're difficult enough, sometimes, even if the traffic stays on the
>> right side of the road. The first time I encountered one in the UK, it
>> felt like being in a demolition derby.
>
> You should try going round the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. No rules, no
> discipline, every man for himself, change lane at will without using
> mirror.

I have. In a Renault Caravelle. And lived to tell about it. <g>

--
Ed Huntress


Lewis Hartswick

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Feb 8, 2010, 11:06:16 AM2/8/10
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Since it was a right hand drive car I figured I couldn't understand
the comments so left the sound off. :-)
...lew...

JosephKK

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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:27:40 +0000, David Billington <d...@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
>> news:00ea4fb5$0$17131$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>

>>> On 7/02/2010 5:45 AM, Jon Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
>>>>> side of the road!
>>>>>
>>>> It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
>>>> It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
>>>> wrong side of the road...
>>>>

>>> Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here in
>>> Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the wrong way
>>> before pulling out in front of a truck :(
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>
>> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach one,
>> my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic diagrams
>> appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>>
>>
>What does this do for you then

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live_search_gallery.shtml?15

>, Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
>understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.

The last thing we need, recursive roundabouts.

Bitrex

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:09:23 AM2/9/10
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There are a lot in Massachusetts - we call them "Rotaries". Including
this one at the base of the Bourne Bridge onto Cape Cod:
http://www.capecodlivecam.com/bourne.shtml

Ed Huntress

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"Bitrex" <bit...@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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That one doesn't look too bad. Actually, we still have one like that not far
north of here. I think the smaller ones are nuttier. As I recall, you used
to have lots of small, tight ones in MA. We had them in NJ, too.

--
Ed Huntress


Winston

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Feb 9, 2010, 10:37:57 AM2/9/10
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On 2/9/2010 6:10 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

> That one doesn't look too bad. Actually, we still have one like that not far
> north of here. I think the smaller ones are nuttier.

(...)

That is for sure!

There is a teensy rotary at the main entry to the Kaiser Medical
Center in Santa Clara California.

("700 Lawrence Expressway, Santa Clara, CA‎" > maps.google.com)

We have folks entering that parking lot, many in a heightened
emotional state. This results in lots of misleading driving moves
with almost no use of turn signals.

Several times, folks entering the lot start an un-signaled right
turn out of my path and then change their mind, seemingly aiming
for my left fender (it's metal) just as I'm about to enter the
rotary, to exit the lot. Most of the time, I'm reading their
facial expression in an attempt to divine their path (lacking
any other indication).

It is a "body shop owner's dream", a perfect combination of
distracted drivers having their first encounter with a busy,
confusing intersection in close quarters.
So far, only sheer luck has prevented dents. Somehow that
doesn't seem sufficient.

--Winston


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ala...@iinet.net.oz

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:30:14 AM2/9/10
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Rome is no different, every car is 3 metres wide and 2 metres
long. Fortunately I was driving a bigger car so I signalled and
started changing lanes after a few seconds.

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Winston

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Feb 9, 2010, 1:18:02 PM2/9/10
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On 2/9/2010 9:18 AM, David Courtney wrote:
> The Wisconsin DOT just sent out a flyer with my license plate renewal,
> claiming "Crash statistics show that roundabouts reduce fatal crashes by
> about 90%, reduce injury crashes about 75%, and reduce overall crashes by
> about 35% when compared to other types of intersection control."
> www.wisconsinroundabouts.gov
> "Today's roundabouts are much smaller than the "traffic circles" of
> earlier years."

About 82.54% of statistics are made up on the spot, though.

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Winston

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Feb 9, 2010, 4:48:03 PM2/9/10
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On 2/9/2010 12:40 PM, David Courtney wrote:

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> Yes, they claim that studies over the past 25 years support
> rotary/roundabout intersections... my 30 year-old Highway Design textbook
> lists 6 serious drawbacks and says "Because of these disadvantages, highway
> engineers in the U.S. seldom recommend the use of rotary intersections for
> new construction."
> When I lived out east, cities were removing them as fast as they could
> fund the work, now they are popping up all over the midwest. LOL

I guess the rotaries exhibit 'constant ambiguity' rather than
'intermittent ambiguity'. I can get a ticket for stopping at
an unlit "flow control" traffic light on a freeway onramp or
I can get a ticket for failing to stop at an unlit traffic light
at an intersection.

Context is everything.

I expect that rotary intersections use less electric power than
do intersections sporting traffic lights, so they are 'green' on
a couple different levels.

Tim Williams

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Feb 9, 2010, 4:52:47 PM2/9/10
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"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
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>> The Wisconsin DOT just sent out a flyer with my license plate
>> renewal,
>> claiming "Crash statistics show that roundabouts reduce fatal crashes by
>> about 90%, reduce injury crashes about 75%, and reduce overall crashes by
>> about 35% when compared to other types of intersection control."
>> www.wisconsinroundabouts.gov
>> "Today's roundabouts are much smaller than the "traffic circles" of
>> earlier years."
>
> About 82.54% of statistics are made up on the spot, though.

Come on, 83% of people know that prime number percentages are more
believable.

Tim

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Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms


keit...@gmail.com

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Feb 9, 2010, 5:04:19 PM2/9/10
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On Feb 9, 3:52 pm, "Tim Williams" <tmoran...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Winston" <Wins...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message

>
> news:hks8s...@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> >>      The Wisconsin DOT just sent out a flyer with my license plate
> >> renewal,
> >> claiming "Crash statistics show that roundabouts reduce fatal crashes by
> >> about 90%, reduce injury crashes about 75%, and reduce overall crashes by
> >> about 35% when compared to other types of intersection control."
> >>www.wisconsinroundabouts.gov
> >>      "Today's roundabouts are much smaller than the "traffic circles" of
> >> earlier years."
>
> > About 82.54% of statistics are made up on the spot, though.
>
> Come on, 83% of people know that prime number percentages are more
> believable.

But the other 17% know better.

Rich Grise on Google groups

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:00:48 PM2/9/10
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On Feb 7, 5:27 am, David Billington
<d...@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> ...
> What does this do for you thenhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live...

> , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
> understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.

I find it vaguely reminiscient of a neuron, with dendrites and
axons...

Cheers!
Rich

sta...@prolynx.com

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:38:28 PM2/9/10
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On Feb 7, 9:08 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 8/02/2010 12:27 AM, David Billington wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
> >>news:00ea4fb5$0$17131$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> >>> On 7/02/2010 5:45 AM, Jon Anderson wrote:
> >>>> T wrote:
>
> >>>>> Interesting. A little disorienting, not used to driving on the other
> >>>>> side of the road!
> >>>> It's not that hard at first, so long as you focus and pay attention.
> >>>> It's right when you think you've got it, that you'll pull out into the
> >>>> wrong side of the road...
> >>> Or, as seems likely to have happened to a US couple on holiday here
> >>> in Australia in a case reported on the news a while back, look the
> >>> wrong way before pulling out in front of a truck :(
>
> >>> Sylvia.
>
> >> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I
> >> approach one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache.
> >> Traffic diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> > What does this do for you then
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live...

> > , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
> > understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.
>
> Ye Gods! What purpose does that serve? How many accidents a day do they
> get there? Reply using scientific notation if necessary.
>
> A particular observation for US readers - from the perspective of
> British drivers, they're going the wrong way around the middle circle.
>
> Sylvia.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Noticed that. I guess you get extra points for head-ons at the
"bullseyes".

Had my experience with "rotaries" up in NH. Had to go to the shipyard
up there, so headed up the tollway per instructions, got off at the
last NH exit and immediately hit the rotary. Instructions said that
the hotel was right off Highway 1. There were three Highway 1 exits
from that stinkin' thing! Went around a couple of times seeing if I
could see any sort of signage, finally stopped at the last-chance
liquor store right on the rotary and phoned the joint up( no cells
back then). "Oh, we're right off Highway 1, you can't miss it!".
Yeah, like 1/2 a mile off it, when I found it! Drove past it 3 times
after I got off the rotary.

Not a happy camper when they redid the closed air base here with
multiple rotary/roundabouts on the main drag through the place.
Supposed to keep dragsters out, all it did was make them lean a bit
more when they went around the curves at speed. Fire department with
the ladder trucks hates them, too. Would like to know the accident
statistics, they've built up the centers so you can't see what's
coming at you. Crowned with the usual scrap metal "sculptures" they
stick in open spaces around here.

Stan

Wes

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Feb 9, 2010, 7:18:14 PM2/9/10
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>hey were a good way to avoid 4-way intersections, when traffic moved at 35
>mph. <g> I spun my VW beetle on one in '69, in south Jersey, out in the Pine
>Barrens, where there were no lights and you couldn't see it coming. 'Damned
>near wound up on my back.
>
>The last one in my area was replaced around ten years ago (intersection of
>US 1 and US 130). Good riddance.

I agree.

I hit one in Ohio iirc. I have never been more confused in my life. When I exited it, I
had a choice of one high priced gas station or one that looked like a biker hangout.

I got out of there fast realizing I just got a preview of Alzheimer's.

Wes

life imitates life

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:15:31 PM2/9/10
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:52:47 -0600, "Tim Williams" <tmor...@charter.net>
wrote:

>"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
>news:hks8s...@news1.newsguy.com...
>>> The Wisconsin DOT just sent out a flyer with my license plate
>>> renewal,
>>> claiming "Crash statistics show that roundabouts reduce fatal crashes by
>>> about 90%, reduce injury crashes about 75%, and reduce overall crashes by
>>> about 35% when compared to other types of intersection control."
>>> www.wisconsinroundabouts.gov
>>> "Today's roundabouts are much smaller than the "traffic circles" of
>>> earlier years."
>>
>> About 82.54% of statistics are made up on the spot, though.
>
>Come on, 83% of people know that prime number percentages are more
>believable.
>
>Tim


You could be 17% off though. :-)

Interesting that 100 minus 83, a prime, yields 17, a prime. There are
actually a couple of instances.

Glenn Gundlach

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:31:39 PM2/9/10
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On Feb 7, 11:56 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:05:47 -0800, Fred Abse

>
> <excretatau...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:17:00 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> >> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I approach
> >> one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache. Traffic
> >> diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>
> >Brits love going round in circles ;-)
>
> >I think Garces Circle in Bakersfield, CA qualifies as a roundabout. I've
> >come across a couple just outside Grand Junction, CO, and one in Balboa, CA,
> >too. At least the traffic goes around those the right way.
>
> There are two of them in Bakersfield
>
> <G>
>
> Gunner

And one in Long Beach, CA


Tim Williams

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"life imitates life" <past...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
message news:lhc4n5ttk6tatjb2n...@4ax.com...

> Interesting that 100 minus 83, a prime, yields 17, a prime. There are
> actually a couple of instances.

I expect there's an infinity of pairs of primes such that p1 + p2 = n, where
n is some number (there isn't anything exceptional about 100). Obviously,
for *any* pair of primes greater than 2 (including p1 = p2), there is a
non-prime number n (which is divisible by 2, since most primes are odd).

Terry Casey

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Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 8/02/2010 12:27 AM, David Billington wrote:
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "Sylvia Else" <syl...@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
>>> Terror for an American driver is a roundabout in Britain. As I
>>> approach one, my palms begin to sweat. Then my head begins to ache.
>>> Traffic diagrams appear in my head. I bite my lip...
>>>
>> What does this do for you then
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live_search_gallery.shtml?15
>>
>> , Swindons "Magic Roundabout". I've not driven it recently but I
>> understand it can still give drivers used to roundabouts a problem.
>
> Ye Gods! What purpose does that serve? How many accidents a day do they
> get there? Reply using scientific notation if necessary.
>
> A particular observation for US readers - from the perspective of
> British drivers, they're going the wrong way around the middle circle.
>

No! Look again! You can go round the centre in EITHER direction!

Look carefully and you'll see either physical or painted central
reservations between the opposing lanes.

These 'Magic Roundabouts are usually spread out over a much wider areas
- look at this one:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&t=k&ll=51.56683,0.542053&spn=0.001491,0.004823&z=18

If that wraps, use http://tinyurl.com/yf8of3n

The dual carriageways interconnecting the individual mini-roundabouts
are clearly obvious here.

The idea is that you travel in the direction that suits you best - the
shortest distance to your exit - but it doesn't matter which way you go ...

... so long as you keep on the right side of the road which, of course,
is the left ...!

--

Terry


life imitates life

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Feb 10, 2010, 9:59:24 AM2/10/10
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:06:44 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tmor...@charter.net> wrote:

>"life imitates life" <past...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in
>message news:lhc4n5ttk6tatjb2n...@4ax.com...
>> Interesting that 100 minus 83, a prime, yields 17, a prime. There are
>> actually a couple of instances.
>
>I expect there's an infinity of pairs of primes such that p1 + p2 = n, where
>n is some number (there isn't anything exceptional about 100). Obviously,
>for *any* pair of primes greater than 2 (including p1 = p2), there is a
>non-prime number n (which is divisible by 2, since most primes are odd).
>
>Tim

ALL primes, with the exception of 2 are odd numbers, silly man.

"Where n is some number" is ALWAYS going to be true as well.

Charlie E.

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Feb 10, 2010, 5:08:02 PM2/10/10
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Visited Sedonna last year, where they are putting these in on the
major highway through town. They are too tight an angle for a
tractor-trailer, so every one of them have tire tracks along the side
where the trailers just go right over the curbs...

charlie

JosephKK

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Feb 11, 2010, 12:13:00 AM2/11/10
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Disgusting, it is soooo easy to avoid that problem using nothing more
advanced than standard pencil and paper drafting methods. It actually
seems to be harder to do with current CAD tools than with pencil and
paper. Most likely it is just young punks (under 35) that can't think.

JosephKK

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Feb 11, 2010, 12:16:29 AM2/11/10
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It may be interesting to see what happens when they run articulated trucks
through it. Then again maybe such cannot even get there.

TerryKing

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Feb 11, 2010, 5:20:30 AM2/11/10
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Lived near HongKong in China recently for 2 years. HongKong now has
BIG lettering "Look Right", or "Look Left" on almost every
intersection. A GOOD idea other countries should adopt! Works really
well on a long crosswalk that crosses 3 parts of an intersection with
turn-lanes...

Now I'm living in Saudi Arabia where it's every Camel for himself.

Nothing is like getting Passed By A Price on the Medina road at 1AM. I
was in the left lane at 130 KM/H, passing trucks, when I saw the
flashing headlights behind me. Nowhere to go, truck on my right. He
passed me on the dirt to my left, going about 200+ Km/H (Say 110 MPH,
maybe). BigBlackMercedes of course.

Legend has it you never get stopped by the Police if you drive a BBM,
because "Hey, It might be a Prince"!

Regards, Terry King ..On the Red Sea at KAUST
te...@terryking.us


Terry Casey

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Feb 11, 2010, 5:34:43 AM2/11/10
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They can - and do!

Bing got a shot of it when there was a bit more traffic around - look here:

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=skv09fh1bmhv&scene=7722468&lvl=2&sty=o

http://tinyurl.com/yls7c8c

You can see the artics quite clearly. You can also move this view around
to get a better idea of what it is really like at ground level.

Strange thing is, I don't know when they take these pictures but, on the
rare occasions I drive round this one, it's usually crammed full of
vehicles in all directions!

--

Terry


Larry Jaques

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Feb 11, 2010, 11:47:12 AM2/11/10
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:31:39 -0800 (PST), the infamous Glenn Gundlach
<stra...@yahoo.com> scrawled the following:

I've been around the one in Medford, OR. Single lane, probably too
small for 18-wheelers.

--
In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
they must have a sense of success in it.
-- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850

JosephKK

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Feb 11, 2010, 11:43:21 PM2/11/10
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Must be doing it at tea time. ;-)

John Doe

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Abbey Somebody <abnormal castlefrankenstein.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:55:58 -0800, Winston <Winston bigbrother.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2/6/2010 7:30 AM, Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>> H. :)
>>
>>That is brilliant!
>>Now all I need is a tilting car seat that makes me feel as
>>if I'm really accelerating.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>--Winston
>
> Hallucinogens work. :-)

And I thought your retardation was hereditary...
--

>
> So do delusions. After all... that is all that this is.
>
>

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