Re: So which "tea party" are you talking about?
Lookout
wrote:
>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>WS
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html?view=print
>Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
>
>There's trouble brewing between the Ron Paul libertarians who staged
>the the first modern tea party in 2007 by dumping tea into Boston
>Harbor, and the neocon war hawks led by Sarah Palin who are furiously
>trying to hijack their message.
>
>After I appeared on MSNBC talking about Sarah Palin's appearance at
>the Nashville tea party convention, several libertarians told me they
>were unhappy with the exchange.
>
>I said that Sarah Palin's hawkish message on Iran was oddly out of
>place in a group whose roots belong to the Ron Paul libertarians,
>particularly as the anti-interventionist Rand Paul is looking strong
>in the Kentucky Senate Senate race -- and Palin just endorsed him. The
>woman who appeared with me representing the tea partiers disagreed
>with that premise, and claimed she was very much an interventionist.
>
>My libertarian friends couldn't imagine what she was doing on TV
>representing the tea parties in the first place, and thought it was a
>sad day when the opposition stated their position more fairly than
>their supposed allies.
>
>But it underscores a rift between the anti-tax, pro-civil rights
>libertarians who started the tea parties and the corporatist neocon
>grifters of the GOP who are now trying to swoop in and capitalize on
>all of the hype. And in the irony of ironies, tea party-identified
>candidates are now trying to oust Ron Paul from his Texas House seat.
>
>Paul appeared on Rachel Maddow last night to speak about it. Rachel
>asked him about his relationship to the tea parties, and he said:
>
>I think the message gets a little bit diluted when a lot of people
>come in and the Republican party wants to make sure that maybe there's
>a Neocon type of influence.
>
>Ron Paul was reluctant to reject Sarah Palin's endorsement of his son,
>and mostly tried to change the subject. But this morning Doug Bandow,
>a Senior Fellow at the Campaign for Liberty, has a piece denouncing
>the Daniel Pipes foolishness (echoed by Sarah Palin last weekend)
>which says Obama would help himself politically by bombing the bejesus
>out of Iran:
>
>There are no good solutions in Iran. The world will be a better place
>if Iran becomes democratic and abandons any nuclear weapons program.
>But initiating war likely would inhibit reform in Iraq while making
>the world a more dangerous place. The disastrous experience of Iraq
>should teach us many lessons, the most important of which is that war
>always should be a last resort. That standard is no where close to
>being met in Iran.
>
>One of FDL's reporters was at the Nashville tea party convention, and
>said there was a promo booth set up by ConAgra. ConAgra. Agricultural
>subsidies are one of the biggest forms of corporate welfare around,
>and there's a big corporate push underway to convince the tea party
>activists that they're not. They are. Red State has endorsed Stephen
>Fincher for John Tanner's seat, despite the fact that he's taken over
>$300,000 in campaign contributions from families who have received
>over $80 million in farm subsidies. The mid-south tea party did an
>impressive investigation into the donations and called Fincher out for
>it. In the report, they rely heavily on the work of the progressive
>environmental organization EWG.
>
>Despite our disagreements on immigration, unions and host of other
>issues, I have respect for libertarians like Bruce Fein and Ron Paul
>who took a lot of arrows in the back from fellow Republicans during
>the Bush years for opposing FISA, domestic spying, warrentless
>wiretapping, the wars and the bank bailout. It was a principled thing
>to do and it wasn't easy.
>
>As a result, Ron Paul was denied the ability to speak at the
>Republican convention in St. Paul, and held his own convention across
>town. Glenn Greenwald and I attended. While we disagree with the
>libertarians about more things than we probably agree on, it's usually
>centered on an honest disagreement about the appropriate role of
>government. The GOP establishment, on the other hand, struck a bargain
>for power with corporate America that is totally at odds with
>everything the libertarians stand for.
>
>The independent libertarians in the tea party movement probably have
>more points of honest intersection with progressives on the war, civil
>liberties, accountability and transparency than with the GOP and the
>"For Sale" sign they've affixed to the taxpayer trough. Alan Grayson
>and Ron Paul worked closely together to pass the bill to Audit the Fed
>in the House, and both opposed the reconfirmation of Ben Bernanke. It
>was nothing the establishment GOP had any interest in, who lined up
>right behind Bernanke.
>
>Ron Paul has been tireless in taking his message to college campuses,
>and he has tremendous support among younger people who identify
>themselves as fiscal conservatives but are uncomfortable with fundies
>and their gay-bashing. But as the libertarian message is gaining
>traction, it is being hijacked by the Neocons -- and Sarah "bridge to
>nowhere" Palin leads the parade. Ron Paul supporters were outraged by
>Palin's speech and the whopping fee she charged for her appearance at
>the Nashville convention.
>
>It's completely incoherent that there are now tea party-identified
>candidates trying to oust Ron Paul himself from his seat. I hope the
>libertarians lay down markers and come down on the side of ending the
>war and ConAgra's corporate welfare, and showing Palin -- and her many
>bombs -- to the door.
There is a meeting of teabagger leaders meeting Michael Steele (head
of RNC) today...over 51 are there!
There isn't a teabagger party. There are a bunch of idiots running
around all calling themselves teabaggers with no leadership and it's
hilarious to watch these uncontrolled little pissants tear apart the
republican party.
Cliff
>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
You pushing Ex-Lax?
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Ed Huntress
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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I think he's upset because she's not supporting the Sons of Timothy McVeigh.
If she isn't itching to kill illegal immigrants or government officials, she
must be a liberal stalking horse.
There are some very weird people out there calling themselves
"conservatives."
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Ed Huntress
Cliff
>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
The stupidity & ignorance speak for themselves.
So do the results.
Hope it remains funny though.
Better that than the results.
Remember what happened in Germany & Italy.
History. Don't forget it & demand a do-over.
"The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe.� - Albert Einstein
�Stupidity has a knack of getting its way.� - Albert Camus
�Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them
are even stupider!� - George Carlin
�Stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance� - William Gaddis
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer
shelf life.� - Frank Zappa
�The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.� -
Harlan Ellison
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Cliff
Cliff
>There is a meeting of teabagger leaders meeting Michael Steele (head
>of RNC) today...over 51 are there!
>There isn't a teabagger party. There are a bunch of idiots running
>around all calling themselves teabaggers with no leadership and it's
>hilarious to watch these uncontrolled little pissants tear apart the
>republican party.
"Going Rouge"
Palin can hunt and even field-strip a moose ....
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Cliff
Mitchell Holman
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> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>>>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>>
>> The stupidity & ignorance speak for themselves.
>> So do the results.
>
> I assume you are talking about the stupidity & ignorance of the
> leftist 0bamaDroids? THAT most certainly speaks for itself. Look at
> the mess 0bama is in. Look how he took what he got, and how he made
> it radically worse.
>
> If you mean Palin, I agree she is a moron. No one but you cares. The
> whole point of my dual posts was that she most certainly IS NOT the
> Tea Party. That's a leftist fiction.
>
> There are two Tea Parties. The real grass roots one that isn't too
> happy with either party of thieves, the ones that want a loose
> connection of many local action groups. Most certainly no bloated,
> corrupt national party machinery.
>
> And then there is the reformulated NeoCons, leftists in disguise. The
> ones that are trying to high jack the name and image just as they high
> jacked the conservative based Republican party of Goldwater and
> Reagan. They will take us down the same leftist path Bush did and
> that way lays disaster.
Don't you love this "Bush was really a leftist" talk?
"They want the federal government controlling Social
Security like it's some kind of federal program."
George W. Bush, November 2, 2000
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>>>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>>
>> The stupidity & ignorance speak for themselves.
>> So do the results.
>
>I assume you are talking about the stupidity & ignorance of the
>leftist 0bamaDroids? THAT most certainly speaks for itself. Look at
>the mess 0bama is in.
Created by bushco & the rethugs. In advance.
They want the US a heap of smoking rubble it seems.
>Look how he took what he got, and how he made
>it radically worse.
By saving the banks & untold millions of jobs?
>
>If you mean Palin, I agree she is a moron. No one but you cares. The
>whole point of my dual posts was that she most certainly IS NOT the
>Tea Party. That's a leftist fiction.
Who said she was?
I counted more than one idiot.
>
>There are two Tea Parties. The real grass roots one that isn't too
>happy with either party of thieves, the ones that want a loose
>connection of many local action groups. Most certainly no bloated,
>corrupt national party machinery.
Hence all their rethug backers & chanters.
It's bait & switch pure & simple.
>And then there is the reformulated NeoCons, leftists in disguise.
Like SureShot.
I understand.
>The
>ones that are trying to high jack the name and image just as they high
>jacked the conservative based Republican party of Goldwater and
>Reagan. They will take us down the same leftist path Bush did and
>that way lays disaster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExjDzDsgbww
http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/confessions-of-a-republican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
>Leftists like to put up straw men to do battle with - and that is
>exactly what you and TMT are doing. That way you can avoid dealing
>with your serious opponents.
Palin?
>I never accused either of you of stupidity. You know exactly what you
>are doing and that is to take an irrelevant side issue, pretend it's
>the real movement, and then pick out the weakest member of that sad
>group you picked and hold them up as if they represented the millions
>opposed to 0bamaism.
The ones force-fed lies & crap by the likes of Rush & Faux?
> It's the usual deception we expect from the
>left.
You watch too much winger talk radio.
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Cliff
Cliff
>If you mean expel the socialist 0bamaites, yes, they should be purged
>as quickly as possible by an mean possible.
>
>Thanks for ignoring the issue to make a silly snipe. I'll sleep
>better knowing your record is unbroken.
You posted about movements.
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Cliff
Cliff
>Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>>>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>>>WS
>>>
>>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html?view=print
>>>Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
>
>>There is a meeting of teabagger leaders meeting Michael Steele (head
>>of RNC) today...over 51 are there!
>>There isn't a teabagger party. There are a bunch of idiots running
>>around all calling themselves teabaggers with no leadership and
>
>In your attempt to shot off a leftist rant you have inadvertently
>stumbled on the truth. The real Tea Party is intentionally kept
>local. The idea is to avoid the corruption and financial sell outs
>that we see in both parties.
Which ones want to murder over abortions & force
bibles into schools & ban gays?
Where do they want to start their next wars?
Why?
How much more free money do they demand?
>>it's
>>hilarious to watch these uncontrolled little pissants tear apart the
>>republican party.
>
>The Republican party SHOULD be torn apart. It's just about impossible
>to tell them and the Democrats apart. Both parties need to be replace
>with something that actually represents people instead of the special
>interests that funds the party machineries.
>
>And let us not forget the Blue Dog Democrats.
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Cliff
Cliff
>Mitchell Holman <noemai...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net> wrote
>
>>> And then there is the reformulated NeoCons, leftists in disguise. The
>>> ones that are trying to high jack the name and image just as they high
>>> jacked the conservative based Republican party of Goldwater and
>>> Reagan. They will take us down the same leftist path Bush did and
>>> that way lays disaster.
>>
>> Don't you love this "Bush was really a leftist" talk?
>
>I don't "love" it but it's the truth. Separate the rhetoric from the
>actions.
>
>Failed at every business venture
>Lives from the public trough
>Not one domestic program or war has been successful
>Elitist - He knows better than anyone else
>Thinks he is above the law
> Constitution is just a "God damned piece of paper"
>Bailed from military reserve after daddy got him in to avoid the draft
> Ditto most of his chickhawk cabinet
>Borrow and spend liberal, 0bama likes it better than tax and spend
>Record spending, beaten only by 0bama
>Record budgets, beaten only by 0bama
>Record deficits, beaten only by 0bama
>Massively bigger government, beaten only by 0bama
>Nationalized investment industry
>Nationalized banking industry
>Began nationalizing the automotive industry, 0bama finished it
>Began nationalizing the airline industry, 0bama finished it
>Open borders, illegal workers and criminals, welcome
>Subsidized companies to move production offshore
>Nanny state spy's on everyone to make them safe
>Unconstitutional wars for nation building
>Interventionist foreign policy
>
>Sounds like a liberal to me.
Winger.
And wingers lie.
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Cliff
Cliff
>There's trouble brewing between the Ron Paul libertarians who staged
>the the first modern tea party in 2007
Staged by the likes of Faux "news" and rethug PR & propaganda folks.
The only thing "grass roots" about it might be the types
that show up utterly clueless.
A bit like slugs & seemingly equally bright.
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Cliff
Cliff
>There are no good solutions in Iran.
Well, we could try to sell them reactors, fuel & nuclear services.
That would have been a fair start.
And probably profitable.
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Cliff
Cliff
>There are no good solutions in Iran. The world will be a better place
>if Iran becomes democratic and abandons any nuclear weapons program.
There seems to be no valid *evidence* that they have
any intention of having one.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>One of FDL's reporters was at the Nashville tea party convention, and
>said there was a promo booth set up by ConAgra. ConAgra. Agricultural
>subsidies are one of the biggest forms of corporate welfare around,
>and there's a big corporate push underway to convince the tea party
>activists that they're not.
Now they could just buy the teabaggers wholesale.
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Cliff
Beam Me Up Scotty
No one is in charge, who will they buy?
--
Beam Me Up Scotty
There is no evidence that the sun will shine tomorrow... but I'll wager
you some cash on that.
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Shall not be infringed
> Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> >On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
> >>It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
> >>stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>
> > The stupidity & ignorance speak for themselves.
> > So do the results.
>
> leftist 0bamaDroids? THAT most certainly speaks for itself. Look at
> it radically worse.
>
> If you mean Palin, I agree she is a moron. No one but you cares. The
> whole point of my dual posts was that she most certainly IS NOT the
> Tea Party. That's a leftist fiction.
>
> happy with either party of thieves, the ones that want a loose
> connection of many local action groups. Most certainly no bloated,
> corrupt national party machinery.
The RINO hunters.
> And then there is the reformulated NeoCons, leftists in disguise. The
> ones that are trying to high jack the name and image just as they high
> jacked the conservative based Republican party of Goldwater and
> Reagan. They will take us down the same leftist path Bush did and
> that way lays disaster.
Less of a disaster than 0bama has been.
Just imagine if Bush had the support of the media!
> Leftists like to put up straw men to do battle with - and that is
> exactly what you and TMT are doing. That way you can avoid dealing
> with your serious opponents.
>
> I never accused either of you of stupidity.
I have.
I just hope they think that Soros's checks are suffiecient for selling
their souls.
> You know exactly what you
> are doing and that is to take an irrelevant side issue, pretend it's
> the real movement, and then pick out the weakest member of that sad
> group you picked and hold them up as if they represented the millions
> opposed to 0bamaism. It's the usual deception we expect from the
> left.
Gray Ghost
news:6ra2o5lrv97sinaal...@4ax.com:
Which is why folks like you cannot be permitted to be in power. Your
delsuions are dangerous.
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God, guns and guts made America great.
And Janet Napolitano nervous.
Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?
Cliff
Find those "WMDs" yet?
Remember last time.
(Guy's a slow learner indeed!)
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Cliff
Cliff
Ghost) wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:6ra2o5lrv97sinaal...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:03 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There are no good solutions in Iran. The world will be a better place
>>>if Iran becomes democratic and abandons any nuclear weapons program.
>>
>> There seems to be no valid *evidence* that they have
>> any intention of having one.
>
>Which is why folks like you cannot be permitted to be in power. Your
>delsuions are dangerous.
Find those "WMDs" yet?