We found out where they are getting the money to finance them. From
right wing political organizations like Americans for Prosperity. Take a
guess who is the chairman of the board of Americans for Prosperity.
David Koch, who I mentioned before as the owner of Koch Industries. He's
a billionaire, owns a privately held coal company, and is financing the
anti global warming effort. He's also behind the teabaggers too.
So next time you wonder whether global warming is real or if the tea
party is a real grassroots uprising just remember who is paying for it.
One of the richest men in America is financing both groups and those
groups are trying to advance his own personal agenda not that of the
American people. The guy who is the running Americans for Prosperity is
none other than the former House Majority leader, Dick Armey. So much
for the tea party being a grass roots group. That too is run by wealthy
republican operatives. It would be so disappointing to be a republican
and find out the truth that your supposedly grass roots organizations
are really just cut outs for wealthy republicans. But when has the truth
ever mattered to the right wing?
Hawke
It's so nice to see the Tea Party living in your mind, rent-free. Doesn't
the hate just consume you?
>Now we know who the tea partiers are from the polling the NY Times did
>on them, that they are mainly older white males, with college educations
>and higher incomes than average, what else have we learned about them?
That they're almost as likely as gummer to overrate their income and
intelligence? I don't know a single teapartier who is wealthy. Many of
the ones I know have one source of income - SS. A few I can think of
would qualify as "higher than average" income, mostly because the
average in the area is about $10 an hour. Two work for local
government. Some are the type who'll say that hating n*iggers doesn't
make them racists.
Anybody know how many teapartiers were called, and if a sample of the
answers was verified in any way? Were the respondents told what
constitutes "average income", or were they simply asked if they
believed they were above average? I'm thinking the majority live in
Lake Wobegon.
Wayne
>We found out where they are getting the money to finance them. From
>right wing political organizations like Americans for Prosperity. Take a
>guess who is the chairman of the board of Americans for Prosperity.
>David Koch, who I mentioned before as the owner of Koch Industries. He's
>a billionaire, owns a privately held coal company, and is financing the
>anti global warming effort. He's also behind the teabaggers too.
Does that make him the Soros of the right? LMAO
Wes
Whistling past the graveyard, I see. You've never met a Tea Party
affiliate, you obviously don't get out much, why pretend?
Have you Tom?
There were new myth making headlines out of a New York Times poll that
supposedly showed that tea party supporters are "better educated and
wealthier" than the general population. The supposed findings were used by
some journalists and tea party organizers to build up the credentials of the
tea party.
But when you look at the actual poll data that the NY Times used for its
story, it's clear neither the Times editors nor the reporters who wrote the
story could analyze their way out of a paper bag. The claims are
preposterous and further re-enforces the credentials of the newspaper that
brought us Whitewater and Judith Miller's bogus front page stories on the
absolute certainty of WMD in Iraq in the run up to the war.
Many in the news media and on the cable news talk shows just took the
preposterous conclusions by a bunch of inept Times reporters at face value
without looking at the actual results (which are available here) which
paints a very different picture. In fact, supposedly according to Michelle
Bachman and some silly reporting, Tea Party supporters are even "hotter"
than liberals.
But the data shows that compared to the general population almost twice the
number of Tea Party supporters are retired, 32% to 18%. And another
interesting poll number which calls the entire validity of the Times poll
and the veracity of the those polled into question, is that according to
their poll data only 16% of the tea party respondents say they are on
Medicare.
Since everyone becomes eligible for Medicare at 65 its hard to believe that
50% of retirees who claim to be Tea Party supporters do not have Medicare.
It indicates a number of things: a willingness to lie or be deceptive on
the part of the respondents, probably because Medicare is a government run
healthcare program and indicates a lack of analytical ability on the part of
the Times pollsters, reporters who wrote the story and their editors..
With this answer and the answer to other questions, there is every
indication that a good number of Tea Party supporters are willing to lie to
pollsters to support their agenda, which, based on based on past performance
shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone with the obvious exception of the
New York Times.
On religion 83% are catholic or protestant with 1% saying they are Jewish
and 6-9% saying "other". With only 1% of those polled saying they are
Jewish its not likely that many of the respondents in the New York Times
poll are from New York, or much of the northeast or Florida, a state where
an anti-healthcare Tea Party Republican was just crushed in a special
election for a seat in the House of Representatives. Given the lack of
polling in the northeast, the claim that Tea Party supporters are "better
educated" is also suspect and further examination of the poll data supports
that also not to mention what we've seen of the protestors.
Of these supposedly higher educated Tea Partiers, when asked the question
of whether they are married, had ever been married are divorced or
separated, 1% checked the answer "I don't know". Of the supposedly less
educated general public, those who checked "I don't know" to that question
was 0%. Which begins to explain the popularity of Michelle Bachman and Fox
News.
One wonders if Tea Partiers have their names and addresses sewn into their
clothing when they go on protests.
To the question of ideology, 73% of Tea Party supporters describe
themselves as "conservative to very conservative" . This blows another hole
in the veracity of the NY Times poll and/or the truthfulness of their Tea
Party respondents since every poll, every measurable educational statistic
has shown that those with liberal ideologies tend to be better educated
while people who describe themselves as conservative less educated in the
general population.
It's not likely that has changed as far as the Tea Party movement is
concerned and there is more raw data in the New York times poll to back
that up.
So what it also suggests is that, like the Medicare question, Tea Partiers
are likely to be less than truthful when it comes to answering certain
questions. In the answer to questions about their education, "some college"
drew the highest percentage. Which means what? They dropped out? Couldn't
handle it? Or was that the easiest to lie about? There is more polling data
to call into question the "better educated" claim as well.
As for the Times conclusion that they are "wealthier", these are the actual
numbers:
25% say they make between $50,000 and $75,000 a year compared to 18% of the
general population and 12% between $75k-and 100k compared to 11% of the
general population.
Assuming the Tea Partiers are telling the truth which has been shown can be
highly doubtful, the disparity in the $75-100,000 category is so small as to
be irrelevant. And with regards to the use of the term "wealthier" ( the
word used by the Times), it's doubtful that anyone in the country making
$75 -$100,000 a year thinks they are wealthy.
According to the poll there is a slightly higher number that the public as a
whole claiming to make over $250,000 but that number is such a small
percentage of the Tea Party supporters and general population as a whole
that the conclusion that Tea Party supporters are "wealthier" is silly and
far from the truth.
But to get back to the "better educated" maybe the biggest nail in the
coffin of the New York Times article, is their poll data that shows 63% of
these "higher educated" Tea Party supporters say their primary source of
news is Fox News. It is beyond the realm of possibility that highly
educated people would use Fox News as their primary source of information.
This is the same Fox News where Sean Hannity did a show on the healthcare
bill that claimed it could turn U.S. doctors into terrorists because it
would cut their salaries and they'd be susceptible to taking money from
Al-Qaeda to commit terrorist acts. There is not a supermarket tabloid in
America that wouldn't be embarrassed to publish such a story. This is also
the same Fox News where Glenn Beck conducting his Ding Dong School fact
denying show, told people that under the new health care bill they will "go
to jail", ( written on his blackboard ) if they don't get health insurance.
This is not news for highly educated people.
More data proving the absurdity of Tea Party supporters being better
educated are the poll numbers that show 57% have a favorable view of
George W Bush, the most inept, disastrous president in U.S. history. Bush
visited more catastrophes on the United States because of his incompetence
and negligence, from getting 3000 people killed on 911 because he dismissed
terrorism as a threat until it was too late, to destroying the balanced
budget, exploding the deficit, creating the worst economic disaster since
the depression, and the debacle in Iraq, not to mention those killed
because of his handling of Katrina.
This is the presidentTea Party supporters give a 57% job approval rating,
and that says as much about who they are as it does the New York Time
ability to analyze data
It reveals the Tea Party supporters as totally partisan, somewhat
fascistic and completely hypocritical since every problem they complain
about was caused by Bush and the Republicans. It explains why they didn't
demonstrate when Bush destroyed the balanced budget, blew a $ 5 1/2 trillion
budget surplus, cut tax rates for upper 5% of the country, exploded the
deficit, sent the country into an unnecessary $1 billion a day war without
paying for it, caused the worst economic crisis since the Depression, and
are now "angry" with Democrats over the economy.
What the Times poll really reveals is that a large segment ( no one can say
"all") of the Tea Party movement is what it appears to be every day on
television: ignorant,dishonest, uneducated, neo fascistic, filled with
moral and intellectual hypocrites (as the foul mouthed family values
conservatives who made obscene calls to Bart Stupak and others proved) with
no real values except a deep desire to have everyone act they way they do
and believe as they do to justify themselves and their conformity.. And
there is, though a minority, a definite and distinct element of raw racism
motivating many as was eviden not just by some clearly racist signs. but
even by the Governor of Virginia who neglected to mention slavery as the
cause of the Civil War in a speech honoring those who fought for the
confederacy.
As the data and any real analyis shows, the conclusions the Times reporters
drew from their poll are preposterous. And what the protests show is that
more than anything, the Tea Party movement is made of a bunch of infants
who like to throw a tantrum when they don't get their way. And Republicans
know how to exploit them. And do.
--
John R. Carroll
From the polling the Times did it shows that the Tea partiers are
nothing more than older republican men. They like to pretend they are
something else but in the end they are nothing more than republican
voters. They're almost all white. They're almost all men and they are
mostly older guys. That group has been voting republican for a long
time. Come November they will vote like they always do, republican. You
won't see many people of color at these "rallies" or many people who
actually voted for Obama. It's just disgruntled republican men who are
really pissed off their party doesn't get to call the shots any more.
They're just a bunch of babies crying because someone else is in charge
now and is not doing things the way they want. My response to them is to
just say shut up!
Hawke
I just love the way that Tea Party lives in your head...rent free! Enjoy!
No, they're different though both are billionaires. Soros has a liberal
agenda that he's advocating for and puts his money where his mouth is.
You can find out what he thinks and where he stands on the issues. He
doesn't do covert financing. He' not lying about anything. He believes
in what he's doing and is up front about it.
Koch, on the other hand, is behind the scenes manipulating information
to advance an agenda that he knows is false. He knows that global
warming is scientifically a fact yet he's spending millions to try to
hide that from the public by secretly financing all kinds of
organizations who do nothing but try to perpetrate a lie exactly the
same way tobacco companies used to do about the dangers of tobacco. Koch
is also denying any connection to the tea party but he's the chairman of
the board of Americans for Prosperity. That's the Dick Armey led group
that is providing funds for the tea party and is organizing the
gatherings and public relations.
You probably can't distinguish any difference between the two. Which
means you should never be put in a position where you have to judge
anything other than whether you think a Big Mac or a Whopper is better.
Hawke
Only as a punch line Tom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLjAOgQqOA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8WJ9NhJ0Y
LOL
You can't be taken seriously beyond a point if your movement relies on tea
bags stapled to hat brims.
In 1990, the banks that now constitute the largest in America had assets of
less that 20 percent of GDP.
That's only if you add back the assets of the entities that have been merged
into those banks through mergers and acquisitions.
When you don't do that, those six banks assets came to less than 11 percent
of GDP.
Today, they are over 60 percent of GDP and the aggregation is continuing.
When interviewed for Michael Lewis's latest book said he figured he was one
of maybe ten people in the world that realized and acted on the realization
that mortgage backed bonds were being generated and sold that were
worthless. He and the investment group he lead, started shorting those bonds
and purchasing Credit Default swaps.
I laughed when I read his assessment of the number of people that were
behaving this way. There was a Chicago company that I've been aware of for a
while that was formed in 2005 for the express purpose of creating synthetic
CDO's that they would sell and then short at the same time.
LOL
They even had a clever and revealing name for their investment vehicle Tom -
Magnetar.
Magnetar's are basically "Death Stars" Tom.
"Magnetars are neutron stars -- the crushed cores of exploded stars -- that,
for reasons not yet known, possess ultra-strong magnetic fields. With fields
100 trillion times stronger than Earth's, a magnetar placed half the moon's
distance would wipe the magnetic strips of every credit card on the planet."
IOW, the magnetic fields in a Magnetar, a type of SGR, suck up everything in
their orbit, become unstable and then emit huge blasts of toxic radiation
and other malignant detritus.
The Teabagger's response to what ails America is high volume incoherence in
opposition of the reform of financial markets that not only tolerate but
promote the financial equivalent of Magnetars. That isn't rational. 57
percent of Tea Party members apparently believe that George "The Wrong
Stuff" Bush was one of our greatest Presidents. That isn't rational either,
especially not when "folks" can just look around them at the resultant
carnage of eight years of the Bush Presidency. The Obama administration has
signed 43 tax cuts into law during it's term in office so far, yet the
Teabaggers rail against the Obama tax increases. Hmmmmmm..........
That is hardly rational and, in fact, is the text book definition of a
psychotic break.
What the Tea Party really does well is provide Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes
and that crowd with revenue generation tool.
They also provide me with much laughter, some good natured and some not.
Maybe this group will evolve into something that isn't just embarrassing but
if they don't, "the folks" are going to realize that they've been taken for
a ride. That will be too bad because it will encourage their cynicism and
drive them away from active participation in American politics and our
electoral process. Participation at the grass roots is something American
needs more of, not less.
I'm still hoping that Wes will describe his Uncles recent experience at a
Tea Party Express rally.
I know what political events look like from both sides but I'd really like
to have Uncle's impressions.
I think it's pretty cool that he went.
--
John R. Carroll
Let's hope so. A self-immolation story would be just what the world
needs right now. Now if only the libruls would throw a gasoline
koolaid party for themselves...
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
>Teabaggers rail against the Obama tax increases. Hmmmmmm..........
>That is hardly rational and, in fact, is the text book definition of a
>psychotic break.
One birther told me that Obama is going to euthanize everybody. He's
one of the most dependably-wrong people I know. Sure, his life ain't
great, it can't be much fun to spend what should have been his
retirement years trying to get by and shuffling back and forth to
doctors, most of whom are brown-skinned. He ought to have some
appreciation that immigrant doctors are willing to work in a rural
area where the majority of the patients are on partial-pay social
services programs. Instead he feels resentment at having to wait in
line to be treated by people he's spent his life claiming are little
better than monkeys. He's the walking and talking definition of
disgruntled. I'm thinking that teapartiers have their own reasons for
being equally disgruntled, and most of them make just as much sense.
>What the Tea Party really does well is provide Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes
>and that crowd with revenue generation tool.
>They also provide me with much laughter, some good natured and some not.
>Maybe this group will evolve into something that isn't just embarrassing but
>if they don't, "the folks" are going to realize that they've been taken for
>a ride.
They might realize it eventually, but they're likely to deny it.
>That will be too bad because it will encourage their cynicism and
>drive them away from active participation in American politics and our
>electoral process. Participation at the grass roots is something American
>needs more of, not less.
Since their main interest appears to be in expressing irrational
disgruntlement, I don't see them ever making genuinely useful
contributions.
>I'm still hoping that Wes will describe his Uncles recent experience at a
>Tea Party Express rally.
>I know what political events look like from both sides but I'd really like
>to have Uncle's impressions.
Me too, but only if they're objective.
Wayne
As usual, your only response is to blurt out your own reality.
>, you obviously don't get out much, why pretend?
How much "getting out" have you done in AZ? Clearly, it's none. And
what good would any report from you be anyway? We already know that it
could be summed up in a few words: conservatives fantastic, liberals
suck. This morning I watched my dog walk around with a yogurt
container stuck on his head. He demonstrated more critical thinking
than most of your posts.
Wayne
I saw the poll results. What I'd like to know is if it was a reliable
poll. It seems that every news outlet is reporting the results, but I
couldn't find any that included the basics such as how many people
were called. As I said, if I were to poll the teabaggers I know, the
results would be entirely different. Considering how many of these
folks are on the news demonstrating below-average intelligence, it's
easy to imagine that they'd self-report that they have above average
income.
Wayne
1551 and it was oversampled by 880, IIRC.
--
John R. Carroll
Not me.
I want to know what he thought of it, the subjective version.
--
John R. Carroll
No mater how they wail and gnash their teeth, they are nothing but a flash
in the pan. Now, if the stupid Republicans can take advantage of the
situation and come up with a good unified plan then stick to it, the
liberuls of today won't even be a memory in a few years. It seems that
America doesn't WANT to become a bankrupt Marxist atheist third-world
country.
Of course, anyone that differs with your opinions is "below average
intelligence", polls are skewed and low income tea-baggers. Please, publish
your books of wisdom for the sake of the whole world!
I think the way the tea party is funded is a lot more important than
just what someone's subjective version of what an event is like. We have
seen the events on TV. I have seen enough of Neil Cavuto and Glenn Beck
interviewing people at these get togethers enough already. More
important is that these gatherings are financed and organized by groups
like Americans for Prosperity. Try going to their website. You'll see
how the parties are organized and how the locations are set up. Groups
like this are run by super right wingers like the head of it, Dick
Armey. He's now a lobbyist and is behind a lot of these tea party
events. But he's only one of the behind the scenes forces pushing the
tea party agenda. If you look for it you see the fingerprints of the
republicans all over it. They are instigating this whole thing. Without
the money and the organizing there would be no tea party. Look at who is
behind it. It's the same old boys who were behind George Bush. They
never go away. They just do things a lot sneakier than when they were in
power. Which is what these events are all about, them getting back in power.
Hawke
One thing is for sure, every news outlet has picked up on this poll by
the Times and have run with it. They all have based their conclusions on
this polling as if it's spot on. I am now doubting the veracity of this
poll. I would like to see the methodology behind it. I don't think this
poll has given us a realistic view of the typical tea party member. I've
seen too many women there with tea bags hanging from their hats for one
thing, and the first thing I always think is why are these women hanging
tampons from their hats. The second thing I think is I sure hope they're
not used. But aside from that unpleasant thought, I'm just not sure the
picture that one poll has painted is really accurate. I'm going to need
to see a lot more investigation into what an "average" tea party goer is
like than just one poll before I believe it.
Hawke
Politco will be publishing fresh polling data Monday.
--
John R. Carroll
>One thing is for sure, every news outlet has picked up on this poll by
>the Times and have run with it. They all have based their conclusions on
>this polling as if it's spot on. I am now doubting the veracity of this
>poll. I would like to see the methodology behind it. I don't think this
>poll has given us a realistic view of the typical tea party member. I've
>seen too many women there with tea bags hanging from their hats for one
>thing, and the first thing I always think is why are these women hanging
>tampons from their hats. The second thing I think is I sure hope they're
>not used. But aside from that unpleasant thought, I'm just not sure the
>picture that one poll has painted is really accurate. I'm going to need
>to see a lot more investigation into what an "average" tea party goer is
>like than just one poll before I believe it.
>
>Hawke
I found the details.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_tea_party_who_they_are_041410.pdf
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_tea_party_041410.pdf
Lots of contradictory stuff, as one would expect from the irrationally
disgruntled.
66% say that bailouts were unnecessary. Nearly half have somebody in
their household getting benefits. 62% think SS and Medicare "worth
it", but 92% want less government services... to others, it's safe to
assume.
59% haven't heard enough about Ron Paul (despite his having served for
more than 3 decades) to say if they have a favorable opinion of him.
Yet flash-in-the-pan Palin is viewed favorably by 66%, with Beck a
close second at 59%. These folks don't seem the type to have much of
an attention span.
We have the TP's word that 56% of them earn more than $50k, even
though only 54% of them are currently employed, 28% are out of work or
not looking, and 18% are retired. Not impossible I suppose. Plus, at
least they weren't claiming to have wrastled 2' centipedes.
Wayne
>Of course, anyone that differs with your opinions is "below average
>intelligence", polls are skewed and low income tea-baggers. Please, publish
>your books of wisdom for the sake of the whole world!
You could save yourself some embarrassment by signing such posts
"RoNSsurPLuS".
Wayne
Thanks. Your post gave me the idea to include "weighted" in the
search, which was the key to pulling up the more detailed articles.
Wayne
It might as well. No sense in letting all that empty space go to
waste.
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
No...the Truth never bothers conservatives.
TMT
Rent -free?
That reminds me...got a job for Gunner yet?
That's rent-free too.
TMT
You are a smart guy Wayne.
Take a hard look at your next Tea Party...and then tell me that these
people are above average income and education...with a straight face.
They lied to the pollsters.
TMT
I have...and they are nothing to brag about.
Laugh at..yes...but nothing to brag about.
TMT
LOL...if it had been Tommy he would still have it stuck on his fat
head.
TMT
"They're just a bunch of babies crying because someone else is in
charge
now and is not doing things the way they want."
Just like Gunner does every day...while cheating his creditors.
TMT
That is why the Republicans were kicked out in November 2008.
TMT
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"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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Now we know who the tea partiers are from the polling the NY
Times did
on them, that they are mainly older white males, with
college educations
and higher incomes than average, what else have we learned
about them?
We found out where they are getting the money to finance
Not necessarily and if your idea of a "Logo" is tea bags - stapled to hats
or thrown into open bodies of water - you are likely to be called a
teabagger in the absence of any sexual connotation at all.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagger
--
John R. Carroll
Not to mention the fact that Jesus approves. I appreciate this lady's offer
but I'd think twice about taking her up on it:
--
Ed Huntress
Good old Jesus.
Here is fresh polling data from Pew, Ed.
http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/606.pdf
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John R. Carroll
Well, that one is pretty thorough. As I read the individual numbers, though,
I can't help but feel that general malcontentedness is spilling over, all
across the board. The teabaggers are pissed but they're really not sure what
they're pissed about.
--
Ed Huntress
The economy.
None of the other crap stands up in the face of full employment.
The cranky 20 percent has been with us forever.
Today, they have sort of coalesced as the "Tea Party". The difference now is
that Fox et al have their business interests in the forefront.
That might not be so different either come to think of it.
The NY Times had a real "purpose" a while back.
LOL
--
John R. Carroll
>Here is fresh polling data from Pew, Ed.
>
>http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/606.pdf
pg 67 - "Which of the following best reflects your views right now?"
31% Dem, 17% GOP, 14% Tea Party. That's gonna' make for some tough
calls for candidates when GOP rallies fall on the same date as TP
rallies. I foresee an amalgamation... GOTP? It'll be fun to see Mitt
and Mike with tea bags hanging from their hats.
More than half of TPers claim to "follow national news very closely".
Yet a different more-than-half says they don't know enough about Ron
Paul to form an opinion about him. There can be only one explanation -
Glenn Beck has never heard of Ron Paul. :-)
Wayne
The left LIKES to pretend they are in third grade. (I'm sure some still
are) I'm surprised they don't call the Tea Party people "Poopy-Pants" or
"Booger-Pickers" or such. "Teabaggers" is just their style, they can't
intelligently engage the Tea Party people in any way so, calling them filthy
names is the best they have.
--
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Liberuls are civil as long as their Marxist/Socialist Utopia isn't crumbling
around them. Well, that explains their bile.
And what explains your bile, Tawwwwwwwwwwwwm?
--
Ed Huntress