Suburbanite shoots two home invasion suspects
Ignoramus4115
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
i
sparky
wrote:
> The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>
>
> i
Everyone who shoots a thug is a Hero.
Gunner Asch
It happens with great regularlity.
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/
etc etc...
Be sure to hit More at the bottom of each page.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Ignoramus4115
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus4115
><ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>>
>>http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
>>
>>i
> It happens with great regularlity.
>
> http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/
>
> http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/
>
> etc etc...
What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:
``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''
It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.
i
Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> ...
> What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:
>
> ``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
> p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
> the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
> physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
> and one of the homeowners shot them.''
>
> It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.
>
> i
Maybe he had revealed his gun collection on the Internet.
Cydrome Leader
> On Dec 28, 11:39?am, Ignoramus4115 <ignoramus4...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid>
Or the $1000 cash in his pockets at all times.
Lib Loo
"Ignoramus4115" <ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> wrote in message
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> The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>
> http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
Dec 28, 2009 5:28 am US/Central Police Investigate Shootings In Wauconda
Adult And Teen Stormed Couple's Home; Fight, Shooting Ensued
WAUCONDA, Ill. (CBS) ? Imagine you're home at night and someone starts
banging on your door.
When you open the door to see who it is they push their way inside.
As CBS 2's Mike Puccnielli explains, that is what police say happened
Saturday to a Wauconda couple, only they fought back.
Loved ones of residents who police say were attacked in their Wauconda home
stopped by the scene of the crime about 24 hours later.
They weren't talking, but police were about what they say is the first
shooting to happen in the Lake County town in 20 years.
At about 6 p.m. Saturday, police say, a father and his 15-year-old son
forced their way into a home on Indian Ridge Trail because, police say, they
believed the boy's 11-year-old brother was being held against his will
inside.
When the two got in, a struggle ensued and punches were thrown.
At one point during the struggle, police said, the homeowner pulled a
handgun and shot the man and his son. Police were called. Officers found the
two intruders outside bleeding.
"The homeowners were absolutely just frightened to death. � They had no idea
who these people were," Wauconda Deputy Police Chief Patrick Yost said.
Police are still trying to figure out why the father and son team targeted
the house.
They say it's possible that the two simply went to the wrong house. They
also say that the 11-year-old boy was apparently in no danger. Police say
they found him unharmed at a friend's house.
Neighbors are concerned.
"It's extremely shocking," neighbor David Brown said Saturday night. "I've
lived here for 20 years, and it's the first time that anything's ever
happened here like this."
The man and woman who live in the home were both treated and released from
the hospital.
The 15-year-old was released after he was treated for a gunshot wound to his
leg. It's not clear where the 49-year-old was shot. At last check, he was in
surgery at Lutheran General.
Charges in the case could be announced later Monday.
Larry Jaques
<ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> scrawled the following:
>The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>
>http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
Two points for the homeowner. Kudos!
I just hope that the city, county, and/or state judicial departments
don't jump him or her for doing something that the police are unable
to do: actually protect citizens.
--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy
Larry Jaques
<ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> scrawled the following:
>On 2009-12-28, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus4115
>><ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>>>
>>>http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
>>>
>>>i
>> It happens with great regularlity.
>>
>> http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/
>>
>> http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/
>>
>> etc etc...
>
>What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:
>
>``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
>p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
>the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
>physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
>and one of the homeowners shot them.''
>
>It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.
If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
never know.
Paul K. Dickman
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ignoramus4115" <ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> wrote in message
> news:H6ydnRx6kNuENaXW...@giganews.com...
>> The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.
>>
>> http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/suburban-homeowner-shoots-2-home-invasion-suspects.html
>
>
>
> Dec 28, 2009 5:28 am US/Central Police Investigate Shootings In Wauconda
> Adult And Teen Stormed Couple's Home; Fight, Shooting Ensued
>
> WAUCONDA, Ill. (CBS) ? Imagine you're home at night and someone starts
> banging on your door.
>
> When you open the door to see who it is they push their way inside.
>
> As CBS 2's Mike Puccnielli explains, that is what police say happened
> Saturday to a Wauconda couple, only they fought back.
>
> Loved ones of residents who police say were attacked in their Wauconda
> home stopped by the scene of the crime about 24 hours later.
>
> They weren't talking, but police were about what they say is the first
> shooting to happen in the Lake County town in 20 years.
>
> At about 6 p.m. Saturday, police say, a father and his 15-year-old son
> forced their way into a home on Indian Ridge Trail because, police say,
> they believed the boy's 11-year-old brother was being held against his
> will inside.
>
> When the two got in, a struggle ensued and punches were thrown.
>
> At one point during the struggle, police said, the homeowner pulled a
> handgun and shot the man and his son. Police were called. Officers found
> the two intruders outside bleeding.
>
> said.
>
> Police are still trying to figure out why the father and son team targeted
> the house.
>
> They say it's possible that the two simply went to the wrong house. They
> also say that the 11-year-old boy was apparently in no danger. Police say
> they found him unharmed at a friend's house.
>
> Neighbors are concerned.
>
> "It's extremely shocking," neighbor David Brown said Saturday night. "I've
> lived here for 20 years, and it's the first time that anything's ever
> happened here like this."
>
> The man and woman who live in the home were both treated and released from
> the hospital.
>
> The 15-year-old was released after he was treated for a gunshot wound to
> his leg. It's not clear where the 49-year-old was shot. At last check, he
> was in surgery at Lutheran General.
>
> Charges in the case could be announced later Monday.
Ya, it appears to be some pretty weird sh)t.
Two nitwits go out to pick up an 11 year old relative, but get the address
wrong.
Homeowners says "there ain't no kid here".
Nitwits decide that the homeowner is some kind of perv and that he's lying
to them. So they start pushing him around.
Homeowner thinks that the nitwits are a couple of crazy psychos and pops em
both with a "small caliber handgun"
Bad brains, it's worse than no brains at all.
Paul K. Dickman
Lib Loo
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:bc8ij5lkrsogufq2c...@4ax.com...
> If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
> bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
> got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
> never know.
(720 ILCS 5/Art. 7 heading)
ARTICLE 7. JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE; EXONERATION
(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1)
Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and
to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to
defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful
force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or
likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes
that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm
to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under
this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of
any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section
7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a
person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified
force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93-832, eff. 7-28-04.)
Ignoramus4115
Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address
Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.
Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
refused to leave the residence.
Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
not believe them, he said.
The pair forced their way in and assaulted the two people inside,
causing minor injuries, according to police.
One of the homeowners, who Thibault said is a registered firearm
owner, then shot both the man and the teen with a small caliber
handgun. All four, whom authorities declined to identify, were taken
to area hospitals.
Police said the teen and both homeowners were treated at Advocate Good
Shepherd Hospital in Barrington and released. The 49-year-old man, who
underwent surgery at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge on Sunday
morning, remained in critical condition Monday, according to Thibault.
He said no charges have been filed in the case and police have not
arrested anyone. Investigators continue to interview both the suspects
and the homeowners, a pair Thibault described as "still pretty shaken
up."
Authorities declined to identify the family member that the teenager
and man were seeking, but did say that individual "is and was always
safe, as far as we know."
Police said the incident was not gang or drug related.
But Thibault said police are still trying to answer some questions,
such as the "exact rationale" for the two forcing their way inside.
-- Georgia Garvey
Lib Loo
"Ignoramus4115" <ignora...@NOSPAM.4115.invalid> wrote in message
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They were looking for their 11 year old kid and went to the wrong house to
pick him up.
Wes
>What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:
>
>``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
>p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
>the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
>physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
>and one of the homeowners shot them.''
>
>It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.
Right after forcing in, should I have still have the capability, there would be strangers
with multiple holes in them. Could just be bad writing.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Steve B
> Right after forcing in, should I have still have the capability, there
> would be strangers
> with multiple holes in them. Could just be bad writing.
>
> Wes
There was an interesting home invasion where I lived in LV probably 20 years
ago. Two thugs start breaking down the door. Daughter panics and runs into
the bedroom closet. Thugs come in and beat Dad. Duct tape him and throw
him in the SAME bedroom closet, not knowing daughter is in there. They're
ransacking the house. Daughter unties Dad, Dad gets 44 Mag. (not joking)
which was luckily in same closet, and blows one of the perps away instantly,
and seriously wounds the second one who goes to prison.
Sometimes it all doesn't go ABC. I have a .357 on top a �tag�re in my
living room about ten feet from the front door. Hidden by the top crown
molding. In a bad situation, it would take me some time to get it out and
fire. I keep it up there because we have kids in the house at times. Glass
shelves, so they could not climb up there. I'd like to make some type of
box where it would be instantly handy right beside the door. I have seen
picture frames with hidden compartments, and such things.
Point is, one doesn't always have time or warning to get the gun quickly.
And definitely, I would not use a "small caliber gun" for protection. Must
been just what he had.
We have had recent robberies and burglaries in our neighborhood, which is a
town of 1200. Some of these are "hot prowls" where perps are going through
the house with people in them. It's not paranoia if they are really out to
get you, and it happens every day.
Steve
Wes
>Paul... here's a newer article...
>
>Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address
>
>Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
>early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.
>
>Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
>shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
>the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
>refused to leave the residence.
>
>Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
>were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
>homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
>not believe them, he said.
>
I had something like that happen once. Guy shows up at my door at night quite agitated
demanding I send his daughter out. I didn't know who he was nor did I know his daughter.
He was intent on coming inside, I was intent on not allowing that to happen since who
knows what is really going on.
He showed good sense and backed down.
I can't remember if I told him to contact the Sheriff or I convinced him I really didn't
know his girl, maybe it was just my tone of voice and confidence he was not coming in that
got his attention.
Yes, firearms were involved but he never saw, nor did I mention one.
Wes
Ignoramus3589
Scary stuff. And, to add, I sort of understand the other side too. If,
say, my child was missing and I believed him or her to be inside some
house, I would definitely want to at least look, esp. if the person
answering was acting suspiciously for any reason.
I would think that in these instances, it would help to get the police
involved early.
By the way, many experienced serial killers are very good at producing
a convincing act and looking non-threatening.
i
John Husvar
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
>
> They were looking for their 11 year old kid and went to the wrong house to
> pick him up.
Might have helped to make sure they were at the right house before
forcing their way inside, eh? A small mistake, exacerbated by a large
dose of aggression, nearly got them killed.
At smart people's houses there _are_ no "small caliber" pistols for
defense. Those are for plinking and other fun activities. Serious
business calls for calibers larger than .35. :)
Steve B
"Ignoramus3589" <ignora...@NOSPAM.3589.invalid> wrote in message
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I have some LEO experience. The ABSOLUTE FIRST THING TO DO is call the
police. Tell them what the situation is, and where you THINK your child is.
Then back off, AND DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO. They will probably send
officers to the scene, and someone will come and talk to you, and then take
you to the scene.
Once you walk over anyone's property line, you are putting a target on
yourself, and like these other two clucks, you might have had good
intentions, and you just get the wrong house, or it's the right house, but
she's not there, or any other combination of things that put you on someone
else's property at night making loud demands. And at night? WTF were they
thinking?
Let's say the neighbors hear the commotion and call it in. I would. I
guarantee you that the police will respond code 3 and force in hand and deal
with it as a home invasion until they sort it out, and then you will be
immediately taken to the ground by a fat cop who will accidentally fall on
top of you and handcuff you, and then either get a really good ass chewing,
citing for trespass, arrest for whatever the officers come up with, thumped
on the head, pepper sprayed, or any or all of the combinations above. You
may spend a few days in jail or the hospital IF the homeowner doesn't kill
you first.
Call the cops, people, even if you don't like them. Funny how people who
don't like cops call them when they need them.
Going on another person's property for any reason is a BAD BAD idea. People
will entice and incite you go do so, staying on their own property
purposely, and once you go in there, they got you.
Steve
RoyJ
>
> Might have helped to make sure they were at the right house before
> forcing their way inside, eh? A small mistake, exacerbated by a large
> dose of aggression, nearly got them killed.
Our local cops did that in the middle of the night to some non English
speaking folks. Wrong address, bashed in the door, ransacked the house,
homeowner was barricaded in the bedroom with his kids, started blasting
away with a shotgun. Cops took a bit of splintered wood from the bird
shot but no one was seriously hurt, no one was charged. Police chief
gave the cops medals for their valor under fire. Mayor took the medals
back after folks pointed out that the homeowner was within his right to
blast away and that the cops did not verify the address.
dan
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:08:28 -0800:
>Let's say the neighbors hear the commotion and call it in. I would. I
>guarantee you that the police will respond code 3 and force in hand and deal
>with it as a home invasion until they sort it out, and then you will be
>immediately taken to the ground by a fat cop who will accidentally fall on
>top of you and handcuff you, and then either get a really good ass chewing,
>citing for trespass, arrest for whatever the officers come up with, thumped
>on the head, pepper sprayed, or any or all of the combinations above. You
>may spend a few days in jail or the hospital IF the homeowner doesn't kill
>you first.
Or even worse, you could make a sudden move that spooks the cops and
get shot dead. Lots of episodes of COPS where I can't believe someone
did something stupid like that.
--
Dan H.
northshore MA.
RBnDFW
> If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
> bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
> got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
> never know.
More range time is indicated
Steve B
"RBnDFW" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Forensics these days are incredible. Fatal wounds would have been analyzed,
and from blood trails and such, an intentional finishing shot may be very
easy to prove.
The guys made a mistake and they are paying for it dearly. No sense to kill
an innocent (but stupid) person.
Steve
Wes
>> Yes, firearms were involved but he never saw, nor did I mention one.
>
>Scary stuff. And, to add, I sort of understand the other side too. If,
>say, my child was missing and I believed him or her to be inside some
>house, I would definitely want to at least look, esp. if the person
>answering was acting suspiciously for any reason.
I can fully understand that.
>
>I would think that in these instances, it would help to get the police
>involved early.
That is for sure.
>
>By the way, many experienced serial killers are very good at producing
>a convincing act and looking non-threatening.
Yup. Very good at pretexting.
Here is one I just thought up. Bad guy comes to your house, beats on the door, yelling
frantically that his wife in the car and is in labor. Good chance that door opens because
you are a decent guy and/or your wife tells you to help him.
How about my kid got hit by a hit and run driver while I was changing a flat, I need to
use your phone to call help?
Or, a cop shows up asking about something. After a bit, he says, sir, I'd hate to
inconvience you but could I use your bathroom? I'm in a bit of distress, must be
something I ate. In this case you just let a law enforcement officer a free search of
your home if something is in plain sight.
Wes
Gunner Asch
Indeed.
Thats the leading cause of death among homeowners who are approched by
Swat and other "special cops"
The innocent home owner is awakened at 11pm by busting wood and
shouting..grabs a gun and fires on the first armed figure coming through
the bedroom door at a charge.
Sometimes the stupid cops kill both in the bed.
One of my favorite and obvious clusterfucks..and attempted rip off of an
honest citizen is that of Donald Scott
http://www.fear.org/scott15.html
http://www.fear.org/victimindex.html
Gunner Asch
Indeed. Very very well stated.
Gunner
Larry Jaques
<desert...@fishmail.net> scrawled the following:
>
>"RBnDFW" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hhdnmk$uaq$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
>>> bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
>>> got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
>>> never know.
>>
>> More range time is indicated
>
>Forensics these days are incredible. Fatal wounds would have been analyzed,
>and from blood trails and such, an intentional finishing shot may be very
>easy to prove.
Not if it's the second shot which immediately follows the first.
>The guys made a mistake and they are paying for it dearly. No sense to kill
>an innocent (but stupid) person.
In this one particular case, you're right. I just hope those 2 idiots
don't try something like that again.
My motto here is SPSB, or Stupid People Shouldn't Breed, and that's
following a firm belief in Darwinism.
--
It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars.
-- Garrison Keillor
pyotr filipivich
about Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:55:32 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>Let's say the neighbors hear the commotion and call it in. I would. I
>>guarantee you that the police will respond code 3 and force in hand and deal
>>with it as a home invasion until they sort it out, and then you will be
>>immediately taken to the ground by a fat cop who will accidentally fall on
>>top of you and handcuff you, and then either get a really good ass chewing,
>>citing for trespass, arrest for whatever the officers come up with, thumped
>>on the head, pepper sprayed, or any or all of the combinations above. You
>>may spend a few days in jail or the hospital IF the homeowner doesn't kill
>>you first.
>>
>>Call the cops, people, even if you don't like them. Funny how people who
>>don't like cops call them when they need them.
>>
>>Going on another person's property for any reason is a BAD BAD idea. People
>>will entice and incite you go do so, staying on their own property
>>purposely, and once you go in there, they got you.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>
>Indeed. Very very well stated.
Call the cops, that's what you pay taxes for. I'm laughing to
myself because of a story I heard, decades ago, in a state far far
away. Seems that there had been a, err, business conflict over
marketing territories in the recreational pharmaceutical distribution
industry. Little Pharma, I guess you could call it these days.
Anyway, a certain Mr X, we shall call him, set fire to his
competitor's domicile. Did commit arson, a misdemeanor. Unfortunately,
his competitor was currently recovering from injuries which required a
full body cast, and was unable to make a timely egress from the
conflagration, transforming it into "Arson, a felony." But, no clues.
My friend, he calls Concerned Citizen line, and, to use the old
film noir cliche "dropped a dime on ol' Mr X." The cops came, busted
him, and sent him away for an extended vacation at a resort so
exclusive, you need a judge's recommendation to stay there. The Grey
Bar Hotel, aka the Federable Pen.
When it came out that this is what my friend had instigated, his
response was "We're small businessmen. We pay taxes. Aren't we
entitled to a little of that Policing and Community Protection they're
always talking about? Besides, this way, our hands are clean."
And so, it is always a good thing to call the cops, and let the
professionals handle things. You can be a good citizen and let them
know what is happening, but they're the ones paid to carry the gun.
And next week boys and girls, we'll explain how the bootleggers
and the church goers have a common cause when it comes to keeping a
community Alcohol Free.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Steve W.
With only one minor problem. The Police have been told repeatedly that
they have NO requirements to protect individuals.
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)
"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents
are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police
protection,
to any individual citizen."
DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct.
998 (1989)
"care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as
incarcerated
prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained
against
their will and therefore unable to protect themselves."
California Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846
"Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure
to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the
commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals."
--
Steve W.
Don Foreman
wrote:
>
>>
I recall that incident but I didn't know the mayor recinded the
medals. I'm glad to learn that. That was a monumental screwup,
lucky nobody got hurt or killed. The cops should have been sanctioned,
certainly not decorated for failing to read their warrant correctly.
pyotr filipivich
Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:10:23 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
They may not have a responsibility to do so, but that does seem to
be the line they peddle. That they are the ones who are trained to do
that sort of stuff, I mean.
OTOH, it is also a worthy skill to have, to be able to phrase your
situation in such a way as it not only becomes their responsibility to
take care of it. The old story of the guy on the phone saying "There
are two prowlers" and the cops saying we don't have anyone available,
and hangs up. Guy calls back and says "That's okay, they're dead
now." And forty eleven cop cars show up "right that minute"v- and the
cop says "I thought you said you'd shot them."
"I thought you said the nearest officer was a half hour away?"
pyotr
I am also recalling the story of the "exotic Entertainer"(Stripper)
who broke her arm. Decided it was too much hassle to get dressed, so
came topless under the jacket. The senior doctor pulled rank to take
her as a patient so he could treat her, efficiently.
RBnDFW
Interesting information....and distressing.
thanks for posting
Ignoramus10756
>>
>> One of my favorite and obvious clusterfucks..and attempted rip off of an
>> honest citizen is that of Donald Scott
>>
>>
>> http://www.fear.org/scott15.html
>>
>> http://www.fear.org/victimindex.html
>
> Interesting information....and distressing.
>
> thanks for posting
Most everything I have read about Donald Scott is that the raid was
set up intentionally so that he would be likely to be killed, as
the local government wanted his land.
i
Gunner Asch
The 1990s were the worst period of time for such buffoonery. In
fact..most small police departments had their own SWAT teams..all bent
on "control" and income generation. The vast majority of those
departments no longer have their SWAT teams..long gone and they depend
on one from a County agency..and they are much better trained.
The costs of such bullshit made them far far too expensive for small
departments to fund both in crediblity, operability, and in lawsuits
generated.
And the increased numbers of privately owned firearms has had a
significant effect on such actions. Along with the reduction of the
crime rate in the US since the 90s.
So as a homeowner..one is far safer today from both rogue departments
fuckups and criminals in general.
More guns, Less Crime....has proven to be exceptionally accurate.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Correct. Which speaks volumes about the agencies themselves.
Gunner
RBnDFW
In the 1990s the Feds were handing out money and surplus M16s to LE
agencies across the country. Something about reducing crime.
So all these piss-ant suburbarn PDs alluva sudden got theyselfs a bygawd
SWAT Team!! And it's the same jerk that pulled you over last week for a
burned-out tag light!
> The costs of such bullshit made them far far too expensive for small
> departments to fund both in crediblity, operability, and in lawsuits
> generated.
Good, I hope the settlement payouts last long enough to serve as a
constant reminder on the annual city budget.
Bill McKee
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:p9olj5lkpv8j4q3ko...@4ax.com...
My daughter while at college has a guy with watch cap beating on her door at
maybe 11pm. She calls the campus cops and they show up 20 minutes later.
She asked: why so long? They said they did not see anyone at the door and
drove around looking for the perp. She asked them, what if he had gotten
inside and was killing her? Worthless security.
Lib Loo
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:d74nj59eikrtllas9...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:01:03 -0600, Ignoramus10756
> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.10756.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-12-30, RBnDFW <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of my favorite and obvious clusterfucks..and attempted rip off of
>>>> an
>>>> honest citizen is that of Donald Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fear.org/scott15.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fear.org/victimindex.html
>>>
>>> Interesting information....and distressing.
>>>
>>> thanks for posting
>>
>>Most everything I have read about Donald Scott is that the raid was
>>set up intentionally so that he would be likely to be killed, as
>>the local government wanted his land.
>>
>>i
>
>
> Correct. Which speaks volumes about the agencies themselves.
>
> Gunner
This is my first time hearing about this case. Did the government end up
with the land in the end?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
No, not to the best of my knowledge.
Martin H. Eastburn
'meeting' party place. They got it, but as I recall they were
exposed for doing what they did - arranging to have an informant
say I think that house has drugs... That is all it took.
I want to say the wife was paid for it and 'let' go.
Martin
Ignoramus10756
i
Edward A. Falk
Steve B <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>The guys made a mistake and they are paying for it dearly. No sense to kill
>an innocent (but stupid) person.
Excuse me .. "innocent"?
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
sparky
> In article <k16q07-blk1....@news.infowest.com>,
>
> Steve B <deserttra...@fishmail.net> wrote:
> >The guys made a mistake and they are paying for it dearly. No sense to kill
> >an innocent (but stupid) person.
>
> Excuse me .. "innocent"?
> --
> http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
To a leftist a burgler attacking a homeowner is innocent.
The homeowner should have been civil to the thugs and let them do
whatever they wanted.
Steve B
"Edward A. Falk" <fa...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:hhjb3i$hqe$1...@blue.rahul.net...
Well, they WERE guilty of going to the wrong house. Point well taken.
Steve