OT Browsers OT
Steve B
metal related.
Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
Steve
Ignoramus17831
I cannot help you compare Firefox and IE8, but enwer browser Google
Chrome is even better than Firefox.
i
R
What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>
> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>
> Steve
One reason not to use Mozilla and Firefox�
Every so often, Firefox uses 100% of your processor's capacity for no
real good reason. It grinds everything to a halt and leaves the computer
unresponsive.
I still use it.���
Chrome and Safari use far less of your CPU's capacity (The Chrome part
now makes this metal related)
rangerssuck
17831.invalid> wrote:
But there are still some web sites and applications that don't work
with Chrome. Notably, VMware infrastructure web access (which I use
every day). For the most part, however, I use Chrome, for exactly the
reason posted by "R" (Firefox using 100% CPU).
Leon Fisk
Opera is around too, don't care much for the latest 10.50
version just yet, too buggy... but Version 10.00, 10.10 are
solid. See:
There is a 10.20 version too, but it had special features to
better exploit widget use. The other versions can all run
widgets too.
Firefox came with what I'm running now, can't see why people
get all excited about it. Felt real good to get Opera
running again and I haven't tried fiddling with it anymore.
Don't know anything much about IE...
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Jim Wilkins
17831.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Steve B <deserttra...@fishymail.net> wrote:
> > Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
> > and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
> > is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
> i
I've had IE8 and FF3.5 on the same PC and didn't see much practical
difference. FF hung up less often when I had several tabs open but it
was an older 1.6G PC with 768K RAM. IE was possibly a little faster. I
don't care about media enough to use FF add-ons. I normally use IE
only because I've learned how to save Youtube downloads and
selectively clean out everything else.
jsw
Gunner Asch
<desert...@fishymail.net> wrote:
You...you you actually dont use Firefox???? Blink blink.....blink...
Good Crom man...download it, install it and use it. You will also note
a host of plugins and so forth that are written for it.
One of my most used ones is called Zoom. It allows one to zoom into
photos and view enlarged details.
Really good shit. Really.
Try Firefox. Seriously good shit Maynard
Gunner
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The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Gunner Asch
Chrome is faster indeed. But has less Stuff you can add to it.
I keep Chrome onboard, and use it occasionally when Im in a hurry, but
it doesnt do some things as well as Firefox.
ignator
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:26:08 -0800, "Steve B"
>
> >Did I mention this was OT. I don't want some idiot blathering that it's not
> >metal related.
>
> >Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
> >and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
> >is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>
> >BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>
> >Steve
>
> You...you you actually dont use Firefox???? Blink blink.....blink...
>
> Good Crom man...download it, install it and use it. You will also note
> a host of plugins and so forth that are written for it.
>
> One of my most used ones is called Zoom. It allows one to zoom into
> photos and view enlarged details.
>
> Really good shit. Really.
>
> Try Firefox. Seriously good shit Maynard
>
> Gunner
block java scripts, cookies, advertisement, flash player. You enable
just the minimum.
My only gripe is that since google took it over, they now watch
everything I do, and to use version 3.x, I now have to update to 2000/
millenium from my perfect 98se.
OK I'm too cheep to pay for a new group feed, so I use google, but
when I log in, they translate my hotmail account to a current gmail
account, and they also have connected the gmail account to my ISP
email account, how the hell they do this, the privacy problem with
them is only going to get worse, we'll see what the operating system
they release will do.
ignator
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Bill Noble
Chrome has a lot of known exploits the last time I looked but I don't know
the current patch status.
Security is one of the key things you should worry about
"Steve B" <desert...@fishymail.net> wrote in message
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Bob La Londe
Most everybody builds applications to work with IE so I use it for most
things. Mozilla has direct plug-in to work with the TOR network for
anonymous surfing so I use that when I don't wan the casual webmaster to
know who I am.
Beryl
> On Mar 9, 12:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:26:08 -0800, "Steve B"
>>
>> <deserttra...@fishymail.net> wrote:
>>> Did I mention this was OT. I don't want some idiot blathering that it's not
>>> metal related.
>>> Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
>>> and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
>>> is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>>> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>>> Steve
>> You...you you actually dont use Firefox???? Blink blink.....blink...
>>
>> Good Crom man...download it, install it and use it. You will also note
>> a host of plugins and so forth that are written for it.
>>
>> One of my most used ones is called Zoom. It allows one to zoom into
>> photos and view enlarged details.
A simple bookmarklet will do that.
<https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/pagedata.html#zoom_images_in>
>> Really good shit. Really.
>>
>> Try Firefox. Seriously good shit Maynard
>>
>> Gunner
> And plugins can help you speed up down loads from e.g. ebay when you
> block java scripts, cookies, advertisement, flash player. You enable
> just the minimum.
>
> My only gripe is that since google took it over, they now watch
> everything I do, and to use version 3.x, I now have to update to 2000/
> millenium from my perfect 98se.
There's KernelEx for Win98 and WinME
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/130936-kernelex-45-beta-2/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/
I'm using 98SE too, but haven't tried KernalEx. Firefox 2 works for me.
> OK I'm too cheep to pay for a new group feed, so I use google, but
> when I log in, they translate my hotmail account to a current gmail
> account, and they also have connected the gmail account to my ISP
> email account, how the hell they do this, the privacy problem with
> them is only going to get worse, we'll see what the operating system
> they release will do.
According to what I've read, their operating system is Linux with a
Chrome interface/frontend/whatever, and only works online.
Doug Miller
>"Steve B" <desert...@fishymail.net> wrote in message news:jd9i67-
>
>Most everybody builds applications to work with IE so I use it for most
>things.
s/everybody/clueless web developers/
Any web developer with good sense builds to work with standards-compliant
browsers first, then tweaks (if necessary) to work with IE. Building to work
with IE first almost guarantees failures in most other browsers.
Larry Jaques
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.17831.invalid> scrawled the following:
Except for the fact that it's invasive as hell. I dumped it the
second day after I realized that.
IE has never been able to view a picture which was shown in the web
page. Firefox allows you to view them individually, and addons allow
you to zoom it. I also prefer Firefox' handling of bookmarks and a
few other things I can't think of right now. FF is definitely my fave
browser, and I've tried half a dozen over the years. (NN4 was tops
for a whole long while.)
--
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to the human capacity for intelligence, imagination, and wonder.
-- Ronald Reagan
Ignoramus5886
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:58:15 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus17831
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.17831.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>On 2010-03-09, Steve B <desert...@fishymail.net> wrote:
>>> Did I mention this was OT. I don't want some idiot blathering that it's not
>>> metal related.
>>>
>>> Please help me wrap my brain around browsers. I recently updated to IE8,
>>> and I hear people say how great Mozilla and Firefox is, and what a POS IE8
>>> is. What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>>>
>>> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>>>
>>
>>I cannot help you compare Firefox and IE8, but enwer browser Google
>>Chrome is even better than Firefox.
>
> Except for the fact that it's invasive as hell. I dumped it the
> second day after I realized that.
>
> IE has never been able to view a picture which was shown in the web
> page. Firefox allows you to view them individually, and addons allow
> you to zoom it. I also prefer Firefox' handling of bookmarks and a
> few other things I can't think of right now. FF is definitely my fave
> browser, and I've tried half a dozen over the years. (NN4 was tops
> for a whole long while.)
>
I love Firefox too, but I love Chrome even better.
i
Bob La Londe
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And yet there are plenty of commercial applications and interfaces that only
work with IE regardless of the reason. A client or user really doesn't care
why. They just want it to work. What I find amazing are all the commercial
applications that are java dependent instead of doing everything on the
server side with PHP or Perl.
Steve B
"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
Steve
Ignoramus5886
> will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
>
> Steve
>
>
Download Firefox and simply close the IE windows and reboot. If popups
keep popping up, even when you do not visit websites, this means that
you are infected with malware.
Snag
And it's probably vundo/virtumonde which is a nasty SOB to kill . Spybot
S&D and AdAware can help , but I'm not sure there's any way short of wiping
your hard drive to totally get rid of it .
You might also try a program called MalWare Bytes , there's a free version
that you have to run manually and a paid version that's "always on" . Good
Luck !
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Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> ...
> > Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
> > will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
>
> > Steve
>
> Download Firefox and simply close the IE windows and reboot. If popups
> keep popping up, even when you do not visit websites, this means that
> you are infected with malware.
You shouldn't need to uninstall IE, you may want it for things that
Firefox doesn't handle well.
I put icons for both on the desktop and click whichever one I want.
This shows what's running:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
and who admits to it, or more importantly doesn't.
jsw
Larry Jaques
scrawled the following:
>On 3/9/2010 11:26 AM, Steve B wrote:
>
> What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>>
>> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>>
>> Steve
>
>One reason not to use Mozilla and Firefox�
>Every so often, Firefox uses 100% of your processor's capacity for no
>real good reason. It grinds everything to a halt and leaves the computer
>unresponsive.
>I still use it.���
I've been noticing that for the past several version changes. It
really sucks, but I keep expecting it to disappear in future updates.
>Chrome and Safari use far less of your CPU's capacity (The Chrome part
>now makes this metal related)
Chrome is quicker, like the old NN4, but I don't trust 'em. IIRC, it
was going online by itself for some reason, even when it wasn't
running for me. That's what freaked me out about it.
Larry Jaques
<ignora...@NOSPAM.5886.invalid> scrawled the following:
>I love Firefox too, but I love Chrome even better.
But do you trust it?
Larry Jaques
<desert...@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
>will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
DO NOT TRY TO UNINSTALL ANY MICRO$OFT BROWSER, EVER!
If you get the occasional IE8 popup, go into the Windows Explorer,
click the menu item Tools/Folder Options/File Types and look for links
to IE8 in there. Some things are IE8 only, so leave 'em. But for HTM
and HTML and URL types, you can safely change them.
FF is my default browser and IE8 only comes up when _I_ want it to.
Ignoramus5886
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:18:42 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus5886
><ignora...@NOSPAM.5886.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>I love Firefox too, but I love Chrome even better.
>
> But do you trust it?
>
I do.
i
Pete Keillor
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:11:58 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
><desert...@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>
>
>>Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
>>will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
>
>DO NOT TRY TO UNINSTALL ANY MICRO$OFT BROWSER, EVER!
>
>If you get the occasional IE8 popup, go into the Windows Explorer,
>click the menu item Tools/Folder Options/File Types and look for links
>to IE8 in there. Some things are IE8 only, so leave 'em. But for HTM
>and HTML and URL types, you can safely change them.
>
>FF is my default browser and IE8 only comes up when _I_ want it to.
Unless you're ditching windows. Then just wipe the disk and have at
it. I have windows for Alibre Design and Corel Draw. Don't have
another reason, now that I'm retired.
Pete Keillor
Larry Jaques
<keill...@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:
Are you dual-booting now, Pete?
Pete Keillor
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:36:46 -0600, the infamous Pete Keillor
><keill...@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:59:34 -0800, Larry Jaques
>><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:11:58 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
>>><desert...@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
>>>>will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
>>>
>>>DO NOT TRY TO UNINSTALL ANY MICRO$OFT BROWSER, EVER!
>>>
>>>If you get the occasional IE8 popup, go into the Windows Explorer,
>>>click the menu item Tools/Folder Options/File Types and look for links
>>>to IE8 in there. Some things are IE8 only, so leave 'em. But for HTM
>>>and HTML and URL types, you can safely change them.
>>>
>>>FF is my default browser and IE8 only comes up when _I_ want it to.
>>
>>Unless you're ditching windows. Then just wipe the disk and have at
>>it. I have windows for Alibre Design and Corel Draw. Don't have
>>another reason, now that I'm retired.
>
>Are you dual-booting now, Pete?
Nope, I run a couple windows machines and one Ubuntu. I also have
Ubuntu on one of my sons' machines. I also wipe the hard drive,
install ubuntu, and post a note with account and username info when I
set one curbside to "recycle". Usually they're gone in less than an
hour.
Pete
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
> On 3/9/2010 11:26 AM, Steve B wrote:
>
> What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>>
>> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>>
>> Steve
>
> One reason not to use Mozilla and Firefox…
> Every so often, Firefox uses 100% of your processor's capacity for no
> real good reason. It grinds everything to a halt and leaves the computer
> unresponsive.
> I still use it.¿¿¿
>
> Chrome and Safari use far less of your CPU's capacity (The Chrome part
> now makes this metal related)
On what OS (he asks as if he doesn't know)?
Maybe someone needs to show Microsoft how to build actual preemptive
multitasking systems.
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Ignoramus22050
> R wrote:
>
>> On 3/9/2010 11:26 AM, Steve B wrote:
>>
>> What, basically are the differences, and how will it improve my life?
>>>
>>> BTW, this is an OT post. Make a note of it.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Every so often, Firefox uses 100% of your processor's capacity for no
>> real good reason. It grinds everything to a halt and leaves the computer
>> unresponsive.
>>
>> Chrome and Safari use far less of your CPU's capacity (The Chrome part
>> now makes this metal related)
>
> On what OS (he asks as if he doesn't know)?
>
> Maybe someone needs to show Microsoft how to build actual preemptive
> multitasking systems.
>
I went through this (Firefox using 100% CPU).
The typical culprit, as I found out, is Flash ads and animations.
The same happens with Chrome too if you stumble on those Flash
elements.
I now use adblock and flashblock on both browsers and the problem went
away.
Chrome is nice because it runs every window in a separate process, and
you can know which windows use how much CPU, and just close those.
Larry Jaques
<keill...@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:45:49 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:36:46 -0600, the infamous Pete Keillor
>><keill...@chartermi.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:59:34 -0800, Larry Jaques
>>><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:11:58 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
>>>><desert...@fishymail.net> scrawled the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Should I decide to download FF, is there a simple uninstall for IE8 that
>>>>>will kill all threads of it in my computer, or will I have popups forever?
>>>>
>>>>DO NOT TRY TO UNINSTALL ANY MICRO$OFT BROWSER, EVER!
>>>>
>>>>If you get the occasional IE8 popup, go into the Windows Explorer,
>>>>click the menu item Tools/Folder Options/File Types and look for links
>>>>to IE8 in there. Some things are IE8 only, so leave 'em. But for HTM
>>>>and HTML and URL types, you can safely change them.
>>>>
>>>>FF is my default browser and IE8 only comes up when _I_ want it to.
>>>
>>>Unless you're ditching windows. Then just wipe the disk and have at
>>>it. I have windows for Alibre Design and Corel Draw. Don't have
>>>another reason, now that I'm retired.
>>
>>Are you dual-booting now, Pete?
>
>Nope, I run a couple windows machines and one Ubuntu.
Why no dual-boots? And with multiple machines, do they network
easily?
>I also have
>Ubuntu on one of my sons' machines. I also wipe the hard drive,
>install ubuntu, and post a note with account and username info when I
>set one curbside to "recycle". Usually they're gone in less than an
>hour.
...and everybody's happy!
Snag
It's been my experience that Ubuntu coexists pretty well with Windows -
reads files from a Windows home network server , loads and plays my music
and video files , etc . Windows , however , won't even recognize the
existence of the hard drive that Ubuntu is loaded on . And I never loads two
OS's on one hard drive , even in different partitions . In all the dual-boot
machines I've played with , Ubuntu has become the priority OS on an
unattended reboot . Not sure if I like that , but then the critical machines
in my intranet are all loaded with XP Pro ...
Pete Keillor
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
Yes, no problem. They all used the wireless printer first try.
Pete