Somewhat related to metalworking

[Joe "Dufu"]

This is somewhat related to metalworking... And surely more related
to it than most of the @#$%^ some of you keep posting.

Thank God for Agent and it's ignore function I've finally found a way
to ignore most of those threads.

Now... That having been said, and the fact that I lost access for 2
months again and came back on a different newsreader only receiving
minimal mention, I'd like to describe a scenario I had to quote
today...

Ten 0.1562" holes drilled in thin material.

Each hole drilled by its own small drill (our 1000 series unit).

Each 1000 series unit spun and stroked by an air motor.

So far, no problem!

Challenge - The customer wants me to give him the option to start all
the drills with a single start button. The air motors must kick in
only on the downward stroke and must turn off when the drills are
stroking home (note, not when they ARE home, when they are on their
way home...)

However, the customer also wants the ability to turn off each and
every drill individually. When a drill is off, the customer does not
want the motor spinning.

Difficulty - The air motors suck up enough air that they can not be
run off the same valve as the stroke of the drill is.

We figured it out, but figured you'all might enjoy the brain teaser in
pneumatics logic.

Why is it metalworking related? Well, the 0.1562" holes, of course!
They are being drilled in aluminum with zero collant. Thankfully, the
material is 0.060" thick and the hole does not need to be burr free.

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[Bob La Londe]

"Joe "Dufu"" <auto...@yunx.com> wrote in message
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Individual electric 3 way valves. By allowing it to vent to air when turned
off the spindle should stop much faster. Add a manual valve to each OR an
individual electric switch. Switches are probably cheaper. Get fancy and
wire up a control panel with an LED for each one that is turned on in the
same array pattern as the air spindles. Don't know enough about your feed
setup, but if this is something like banks of drills with each bank
processing a single part then maybe you can have a simple mechanical
interlink between banks that allows you to not even feed those that are not
actually processing a part.

[Joe "Dufu"]

>Individual electric 3 way valves. By allowing it to vent to air when turned
>off the spindle should stop much faster. Add a manual valve to each OR an
>individual electric switch. Switches are probably cheaper. Get fancy and
>wire up a control panel with an LED for each one that is turned on in the
>same array pattern as the air spindles. Don't know enough about your feed
>setup, but if this is something like banks of drills with each bank
>processing a single part then maybe you can have a simple mechanical
>interlink between banks that allows you to not even feed those that are not
>actually processing a part.

The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
easier, that's for sure.

But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...

If you do, I'll tell you about the more complex nine drill set-up we
had a month ago and even show you photos. :)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:54:51 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

Or use a PLC to do the hard work.

Gunner

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[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:01:37 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
<auto...@yunx.com> wrote:

>
>The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>easier, that's for sure.
>
>But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...

but...why would you?

[Glenn B]

On 9/10/2013 5:06 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:01:37 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
> <auto...@yunx.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>> easier, that's for sure.
>>
>> But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>
> but...why would you?
>
> Gunner

Perhaps lower cost & simplicity, improved reliability & serviceability.
Also only a single energy source connection.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:22:35 +0800, Glenn B <not_...@nowhere.com>
wrote:

Lower cost? Hardly. Hooking up all that pastic tubing takes time.
Simplicity? ROFLMAO!!! Improved reliabiltity and serviceability?

Never worked on complicated pneumatic logic before..have you?

As for "single energy source connection...are we talking about that
10hp 3ph Ingersol Rand air compressor in the basement? Or simply
plugging the plug into the wall?

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:06:48 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>>The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>>easier, that's for sure.
>>
>>But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>
>but...why would you?

Because the customer demands it. Logical reasons would include a
situation whree they are drilling out a container filled with hydrogen
gas and the "pneumatic" part of it is run on an inert gas, etc.

All types of other examples abound. ...Most of which are based on the
customer's preferences and not necessarily mine.

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/8/2013 5:01 PM, Joe "Dufu" wrote:
>> Individual electric 3 way valves. By allowing it to vent to air when turned
>> off the spindle should stop much faster. Add a manual valve to each OR an
>> individual electric switch. Switches are probably cheaper. Get fancy and
>> wire up a control panel with an LED for each one that is turned on in the
>> same array pattern as the air spindles. Don't know enough about your feed
>> setup, but if this is something like banks of drills with each bank
>> processing a single part then maybe you can have a simple mechanical
>> interlink between banks that allows you to not even feed those that are not
>> actually processing a part.
>
> The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
> easier, that's for sure.
>
> But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>
> If you do, I'll tell you about the more complex nine drill set-up we
> had a month ago and even show you photos. :)
>

Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.
We use them on certain machine resets to activate two cylinders at
different times on the same circuit. they will turn off a circuit after
a preset delay too. I assume the time of the cycle doesn't vary much so
the drills stop on the up-stroke.

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/8/2013 5:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:01:37 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
> <auto...@yunx.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>> easier, that's for sure.
>>
>> But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>
> but...why would you?
>
> Gunner
>

Reduced noise for one. Also, the cost savings on the air might just add up.

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/8/2013 5:03 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Or use a PLC to do the hard work.
>
> Gunner
>

I don't think it's that complex, I think it can all be done without
electrics or electronics.

[Bob La Londe]

"Joe "Dufu"" <auto...@yunx.com> wrote in message

news:2js85910hh51diq7l...@4ax.com...

>>Individual electric 3 way valves. By allowing it to vent to air when
>>turned
>>off the spindle should stop much faster. Add a manual valve to each OR an
>>individual electric switch. Switches are probably cheaper. Get fancy and
>>wire up a control panel with an LED for each one that is turned on in the
>>same array pattern as the air spindles. Don't know enough about your feed
>>setup, but if this is something like banks of drills with each bank
>>processing a single part then maybe you can have a simple mechanical
>>interlink between banks that allows you to not even feed those that are
>>not
>>actually processing a part.
>
> The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
> easier, that's for sure.
>
> But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only.

Valve (gang valve if necessary) provides mass air to the entire assembly.
The quills are fed by a spring retracted pneumatic cylinder with some form
of control valve to control speed. A manual valve allows you to turn off
air to the feed quill piston and the spindle. When you cut main air all
engaged spindles stop turning and retract. Air pressure has to be fairly
strictly regulated once you dial it all in. Timing could be another issue.

Pneumatics isn't really my thing, and I when you say "pneumatic logic only"
I don't know how much mechanical control is allowed.

[Bob La Londe]

"Joe "Dufu"" <auto...@yunx.com> wrote in message

news:u9ha59dtmtab2afrn...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:06:48 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>>>easier, that's for sure.
>>>
>>>But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>>
>>but...why would you?
>
> Because the customer demands it. Logical reasons would include a
> situation whree they are drilling out a container filled with hydrogen
> gas and the "pneumatic" part of it is run on an inert gas, etc.

I considered explosion proof environment as a possible reason. See my other
reply. Mechanical ball valves are cheap (relatively) so simply installing a
valve to shut off all air to each spindle and quill as described in my other
reply is easy enough.

[Bob La Londe]

"Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99> wrote in message
news:l341m2$l9n$1...@dont-email.me...

Alternatively the quill feed piston could be bidirectional and you could
employ a 3 way gang valve. When your main gang valve is engaged it feeds
air to the feed the piston and to the spindles. When the valve is reversed
it cuts air from the spindle and forces the piston to retract. Cutting air
to individual drill heads as described before still works, and if any quills
experience creep they are forced back each time the valve is reversed.
Spring assist for retraction is still an option.

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2013-10-09, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:

[ ... ]

> Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.

Dashpots.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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[Joe "Dufu"]

>> Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.
>
> Dashpots.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

We call them pneumatic timers and reverse timers.

Standard waits anywhere from nil to X before it sends air through and
reverse sends air anywhere from nil to X.

[Larry Jaques]

On 10 Oct 2013 04:13:37 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com>
wrote:

>On 2013-10-09, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.
>
> Dashpots.

Are those the same as they had on '50s and '60s auto carburetors?
(That word brought back some deep old memories.)

Are the valved mechanisms which slow metal bandsaws during cutting
called dashpots, too? Or is there another name for those?

--
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--martial principle of the Samurai

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:17:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On 10 Oct 2013 04:13:37 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2013-10-09, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>>> Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.
>>
>> Dashpots.
>
>Are those the same as they had on '50s and '60s auto carburetors?
>(That word brought back some deep old memories.)
>
>Are the valved mechanisms which slow metal bandsaws during cutting
>called dashpots, too? Or is there another name for those?

The items on the bandsaws are usually called "feed controls" in my
indutry. The #1 manufacturer being Deschner and their prodict is
amazingly well made.

However, Band saws usually use a much less precise and durable item
because it's just not that critical in that scenario.

The deschner product I use can handle up to 1200 lbs. of thrust if I
remember correctly. ...Not exactly something a band saw would
normally see.

http://deschner.com/

If you call them for any reason, please tell them Joe from AutoDrill
sent you. I won't get anything out of it other than a cute
conversation the next time I call them.

[Bob La Londe]

So, I am curious. How did you do it?

[Glenn B]

On 9/10/2013 6:51 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:22:35 +0800, Glenn B <not_...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/10/2013 5:06 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 17:01:37 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
>>> <auto...@yunx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The addition of spring activated solenoid valves and a PLC make this
>>>> easier, that's for sure.
>>>>
>>>> But see if you can solve it with pneumatic logic only...
>>>
>>> but...why would you?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>> Perhaps lower cost & simplicity, improved reliability & serviceability.
>> Also only a single energy source connection.
>
> Lower cost? Hardly. Hooking up all that pastic tubing takes time.
> Simplicity? ROFLMAO!!! Improved reliabiltity and serviceability?
>
> Never worked on complicated pneumatic logic before..have you?
>

No I haven't - that obvious is it! :)

I would have thought once set up a purely pneumatic system with no
electronics would be much more reliable.

> As for "single energy source connection...are we talking about that
> 10hp 3ph Ingersol Rand air compressor in the basement? Or simply
> plugging the plug into the wall?
>

I'd imagine most if not all workshops would have shop air plumbed
throughout.

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2013-10-10, Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2013 04:13:37 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2013-10-09, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>>> Time delay pneumatic relays, I'm not sure exactly what you call them.
>>
>> Dashpots.
>
> Are those the same as they had on '50s and '60s auto carburetors?
> (That word brought back some deep old memories.)

Depends on the carb, I suspect. The SU carbs for my MGA had
dashpots to control how rapidly the venturi throat opened. It allowed
it to close quite rapidly.

> Are the valved mechanisms which slow metal bandsaws during cutting
> called dashpots, too? Or is there another name for those?

I don't know at all for that. The only bandsaws which I have
experience with either have only step belt speed changes (the infamous
"$200.00 horizontal/vertical bandsaw" sometimes sold for a lot less, and
the three-wheel Emco one which I have), or the DoAll which we had at
work with a variable speed pulley assembly, plus a gearbox to give a
high range or a slow range. No dashpots involved in any of those as far
as I know.

Mostly -- a dashpot is a cylinder with a very close fitting
piston (often glass cylinder and graphite piston) with an adjustable
needle valve to control how rapidly it could move. Could have an oil,
or air as the medium. Then it is up to who put it in what as to whether
it controls valves, limit switches, or whatever else. I could even
imagine them being used in some record turntables to avoid rapidly
dropping the stylus (needle) onto the record, possibly damaging both.)
I've seen at least one model of turntable which has an arc support bar,
and a lever which starts it lowering slowly, or lifts it to a safe
height and keeps it there.

[Bob La Londe]

Not sure what you guys are talking about, but a buddy of mine describe a
simple slow feed for has bandsaw as an aluminum cylinder and piston with
an adjustable bleed valve. He said lots of guys were making them so the
full weight of the head wasn't resting on the blade as it fed into the
cut. Not sure I got it all, because I haven't seen it, but...

[et...@whidbey.com]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:21:32 +0800, Glenn B <not_...@nowhere.com>

It has been my experience that fully pneumatic systems involving
timing are not as reliable as modern electronics in the typical shop
environment. The big problem is the need for dry, clean air. So often
someone forgets to clean filters or lets water enter the system or
some joker puts oil in the air thinking the system needed it. Tiny
passages get clogged and so the timing gets messed up and the speeds
of cylinder movements changes and so on. Modern electronics need no
attention by well meaning machinists and so remain trouble free for
decades. I have spent many hours cleaning and adjusting air logic
controls on CNC machines.
Eric

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:28:05 -0700, et...@whidbey.com wrote:


>It has been my experience that fully pneumatic systems involving
>timing are not as reliable as modern electronics in the typical shop
>environment. The big problem is the need for dry, clean air. So often
>someone forgets to clean filters or lets water enter the system or
>some joker puts oil in the air thinking the system needed it. Tiny
>passages get clogged and so the timing gets messed up and the speeds
>of cylinder movements changes and so on. Modern electronics need no
>attention by well meaning machinists and so remain trouble free for
>decades. I have spent many hours cleaning and adjusting air logic
>controls on CNC machines.
>Eric

It is my experience - and I do a LOT of pneumatic controls - that Eric
is 100% correct here regarding reliability.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:28:05 -0700, et...@whidbey.com wrote:

As have I.

Which is why though I certainly respect them for what they are..and
what they have done so well in the past...are now largely outdated
technology better pushed aside as technology improves.

It was really good tech...but...there is now much better tech
available and largely for cheaper prices.

Shrug

[Glenn B]

Cheers Eric, that makes sense. I come from the electronics end of things
so I see all the problems it entails.

[SteveB]

I would welcome you to take a tour of my bare bones shop. Garage sales
decaying air hoses throughout, but anything better than that, I would
have to wait for those morons at Lotto to pick the right numbers.

Six numbers. What is so hard about that? Or is it five? Or seven?

It sure would be fun, though, to have a wad of cash to throw at the
problem, and a few grunts to do the work whilst I sampled the nectar of
the Gods, and interviewed secretaries for new positions.

No pun intended.

Steve

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

SteveB <Stevexx...@gmail.com> fired this volley in news:l3i0nb$q5k$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

> It sure would be fun, though, to have a wad of cash to throw at the
>

Steve, it takes little more cash to do it with small-volume pneumatics
than to 'cobble it up' out of odds and ends.... IF your time is worth
anything, at all.

And no; "connecting all that tubing" is not time-consuming. It takes
almost zero time with push-to-connect fittings; just 'cut and stick'.

Most of what I do for actuators can be handled with either 5/32" or 1/4"
tubing. A few large bin shakers or 'power' actuators take larger sizes.

Most of the fittings for either of the small sizes are about the same
price, and pretty inexpensive compared to time.

Now, if time is all you have, then that's your resource.

Lloyd

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:02:47 -0700, SteveB <Stevexx...@gmail.com>
wrote:

??? You need air hoses? Ive probably got 500 feet of used but
perfectly good US made air hoses Ive pulled when I shut down shops in
the last few years.


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[Joe "Dufu"]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:43:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>??? You need air hoses? Ive probably got 500 feet of used but
>perfectly good US made air hoses Ive pulled when I shut down shops in
>the last few years.

You, and a few others 'round here horde this stuff. Friends share! :)

Seriosuly though, you guys who have all this surplus stuff also
obviously have space! Here, and where I live are some of the most
rural places in NJ where hot air balloons land on the lawns and fields
and horses often break free and need chasing... And yet we still
don't have nearly enough storage space for that kind of
hording...er... Collection.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 08:09:08 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
<auto...@yunx.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:43:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>??? You need air hoses? Ive probably got 500 feet of used but
>>perfectly good US made air hoses Ive pulled when I shut down shops in
>>the last few years.
>
>You, and a few others 'round here horde this stuff. Friends share! :)
>
>Seriosuly though, you guys who have all this surplus stuff also
>obviously have space! Here, and where I live are some of the most
>rural places in NJ where hot air balloons land on the lawns and fields
>and horses often break free and need chasing... And yet we still
>don't have nearly enough storage space for that kind of
>hording...er... Collection.

I was offering up air hose.

I too am very limited on space. Ill clean it out..and fill it back
up within a very short amount of time.

My front yard now has (4) sailboats on it. The biggest being almost 26
feet long. The next shortest...21 feet long, is nearing the end of its
restoration. Ill finish painting the inside fo the cabin today and
then there will only be a couple minor things to do and I can probably
sail it this weekend.

Id love to have a full acre of fenced (dogs) land. Life would be
eversomuch simpler

Gunner

[Tom Gardner]

If I hit the Lotto I'll buy out your neighbors' land for you so you can
hoard more stuff! I like hoarding stuff too, it all too often comes in
handy!

[Ignoramus22049]

But only if you know where it is.

i

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:38:04 -0500, Ignoramus22049

Specificly..or generally...?

(Grin)

Gunner

>
>i

[Ignoramus22049]

both

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:43:51 -0500, Ignoramus22049

Does it count when I know generally which pile its in?

[Tom Gardner]

Hell YES!

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:49:35 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On 10/15/2013 2:26 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

[snippage]

>>
>
>If I hit the Lotto I'll buy out your neighbors' land for you so you can
>hoard more stuff! I like hoarding stuff too, it all too often comes in
>handy!

I'm not hoarding. I'm stockpiling or salvaging. "I keep supplies
on hand. You stockpile. They hoard."
Besides, never know when you might need on of them, whatever they
are. Or could re-purpose that collection of widgets. Hmm, maybe if
I grab a hack saw, I can not only cut those window frames loose, but
salvage the glass as well... Then I could use them and some of the
boards to make a cold frame for the garden.

I was late to class Monday because just down from where I parked,
were three screens. Very nice screen, wooden frames, well made, about
two foot by a foot and a half. Just sitting beside the garbage can.
"Who knows".


--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:12:57 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>

>>>>> If I hit the Lotto I'll buy out your neighbors' land for you so you can
>>>>> hoard more stuff! I like hoarding stuff too, it all too often comes in
>>>>> handy!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But only if you know where it is.
>>>
>>> Specificly..or generally...?
>>
>>both
>
>Does it count when I know generally which pile its in?

Sort of. If you have time to unearth it, then it counts. If not
..., not.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:38:04 -0500, Ignoramus22049
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.22049.invalid> wrote:

We should coordinate, write a new book, and call it:

_The Organized Hoarder_.


It could be on shelves soon and would certainly be a best seller!

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Sort of. If you have time to unearth it, then it counts. If not
>..., not.

What if you have to turn earth (dig) to find it - literally?

[pyotr filipivich]

"Joe \"Dufu\"" <auto...@yunx.com> on Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:40:55 -0400

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Sort of. If you have time to unearth it, then it counts. If not
>>..., not.
>
>What if you have to turn earth (dig) to find it - literally?

Um, maybe then - where did you say you had it piled?

Reminds me of the person who tried to sweep out the cabin - with a
dirt floor.

[Bob La Londe]

Joe, Did you ever tell us how you did it? If you did I missed it.



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[Joe "Dufu"]

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:09:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99>
wrote:

>Joe, Did you ever tell us how you did it? If you did I missed it.

KUDOS!!! I was waiting for someone to ask... You win absoltuely
nothing except the explanation below and the link below that. :)

Rather than try to explain the whole set-up in text format, I offer
the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-QQ5NEUQ-s

[Brian Lawson]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:36:24 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
<auto...@yunx.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:09:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99>
>wrote:
>
>>Joe, Did you ever tell us how you did it? If you did I missed it.
>
>KUDOS!!! I was waiting for someone to ask... You win absoltuely
>nothing except the explanation below and the link below that. :)
>
>Rather than try to explain the whole set-up in text format, I offer
>the following:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-QQ5NEUQ-s

Hey Joe, GOOD STUFF. Both the work and the video.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

[Gunner Asch]

Ah...Joe? Turn on Closed Caption and watch this again.

Blink blink....


--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:36:26 -0400, Brian Lawson
<law...@ciaccess.com> wrote:

>Hey Joe, GOOD STUFF. Both the work and the video.

Thank you.

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 00:03:08 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ah...Joe? Turn on Closed Caption and watch this again.
>
>Blink blink....

Yep. That's my office manager speaking and his Staten Island, NY
accent and speed of speaking isn't really all that compatible with
Google's tools apparently.

I will say that if you switch it to Turkish, it looks fine.

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 00:03:08 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:36:26 -0400, Brian Lawson
><law...@ciaccess.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:36:24 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
>><auto...@yunx.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:09:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Joe, Did you ever tell us how you did it? If you did I missed it.
>>>
>>>KUDOS!!! I was waiting for someone to ask... You win absoltuely
>>>nothing except the explanation below and the link below that. :)
>>>
>>>Rather than try to explain the whole set-up in text format, I offer
>>>the following:
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-QQ5NEUQ-s
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey Joe, GOOD STUFF. Both the work and the video.
>>
>>Take care.
>>
>>Brian Lawson,
>>Bothwell, Ontario.
>
>Ah...Joe? Turn on Closed Caption and watch this again.
>
>Blink blink....

Har! I especially like the part about the "nine girls I'll be running"
and the talk about the "heirs".

Kinda reminds one of BabelFish, dern't it? <g> "Oh, yes, I speak
very English!" said my Viet friend, Lien. I think Joe drifted into a
bit of a New England accent there and it messed up the translation.

--
The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 05:17:29 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>I think Joe drifted into a
>bit of a New England accent there and it messed up the translation.

Hey now... Although the guy in the video is named Joe, it's not me!!!

We have a strange thing going on here... In the office, we have Joe,
Joseph, Joe, Jr, Uncategorized Joe (my son), Jasmine and Juan.

...AutoDrill has a "J" fetish.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/30/2013 8:47 AM, Joe "Dufu" wrote:

> Hey now... Although the guy in the video is named Joe, it's not me!!!
>
> We have a strange thing going on here... In the office, we have Joe,
> Joseph, Joe, Jr, Uncategorized Joe (my son), Jasmine and Juan.
>

> ....AutoDrill has a "J" fetish.
>

Reminds me of my friend Jason. He married Jeanette,
sister of Julie. Brother of John. Daughter of Joanne.

All of them, followers of Jesus.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[Joe "Dufu"]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:02:23 -0400, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/30/2013 8:47 AM, Joe "Dufu" wrote:
>
>> Hey now... Although the guy in the video is named Joe, it's not me!!!
>>
>> We have a strange thing going on here... In the office, we have Joe,
>> Joseph, Joe, Jr, Uncategorized Joe (my son), Jasmine and Juan.
>>
>> ....AutoDrill has a "J" fetish.
>>
>
>Reminds me of my friend Jason. He married Jeanette,
>sister of Julie. Brother of John. Daughter of Joanne.
>
>All of them, followers of Jesus.

I'm a J, my wife is a J, both kids are J's, my dog is a J, our
(unwanted) dog is a J. My driveway is the shape of an upside-down J
from the street... And most importantly we are doing our best to be
followers of Jesus here too.

J jones jeans and his jelly beans, let's have a song about J.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/30/2013 9:14 AM, Joe "Dufu" wrote:
>>
>> Reminds me of my friend Jason. He married Jeanette,
>> sister of Julie. Brother of John. Daughter of Joanne.
>>
>> All of them, followers of Jesus.
>
>
> I'm a J, my wife is a J, both kids are J's, my dog is a J, our
> (unwanted) dog is a J. My driveway is the shape of an upside-down J
> from the street... And most importantly we are doing our best to be
> followers of Jesus here too.
>
> J jones jeans and his jelly beans, let's have a song about J.
>

Lot of them on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0JFjCQU0M

[jim]

Larry Jaques wrote:

> The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
> until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson

The beauty of the internet is you get to make Thomas
Jefferson say anything you want him to.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:28:50 -0400, "Joe \"Dufu\""
<auto...@yunx.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 00:03:08 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ah...Joe? Turn on Closed Caption and watch this again.
>>
>>Blink blink....
>
>Yep. That's my office manager speaking and his Staten Island, NY
>accent and speed of speaking isn't really all that compatible with
>Google's tools apparently.
>
>I will say that if you switch it to Turkish, it looks fine.

Ok. Got it. Turkish it is!

Gunner

[dpb]

Perhaps he doesn't mean _that_ Thomas Jefferson... :)

--

[Stormin Mormon]

I prefer Tim Horton over Dunkin Donuts.
--Thomas Jefferson
.

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/28/2013 8:36 AM, Joe "Dufu" wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:09:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <no...@none.com99>
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, Did you ever tell us how you did it? If you did I missed it.
>
> KUDOS!!! I was waiting for someone to ask... You win absoltuely
> nothing except the explanation below and the link below that. :)
>
> Rather than try to explain the whole set-up in text format, I offer
> the following:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-QQ5NEUQ-s
>

Very nice! Most of that stuff looks familiar. I bet whoever designed
the logic has a brain pain! Logic circuits take me DAYS and I have to
do it all with brute force...not intuitive to me at all!