Wingers keep lying !!!
Cliff
""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it," he wrote.
"Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force resolution
without the threat of WMD."
Burled Frau
Indonesian students protest Barack Obama's visit
Fri Mar 5, 7:53 am ET
JAKARTA, Indonesia - Scores of Islamic students staged protests outside
Jakarta's parliament and in at least three other major Indonesian cities on
Friday against President Barack Obama's upcoming visit to this predominantly
Muslim country.
The students carried banners branding Obama as an enemy of Islam and an
imperialist in downtown Jakarta as well as in the provincial capitals
Padang, Yogyakarta and Surabaya.
They also threw shoes at large pictures of Obama's head. An Iraqi journalist
was sentenced to a year in prison for throwing his shoes at U.S. President
George W. Bush during a news conference in Baghdad in 2008.
Protest organizer Ahmad Irhamul Fikri, spokesman for the Coordinating Board
for Campus Proselytizing Institute, said bigger rallies will be staged next
Friday in more Indonesian cities ahead of Obama's March 20-22 visit.
Such demonstrations of hostility toward Obama are rare in Indonesia, where
he enjoys widespread popularity because he spend part of his childhood in
Jakarta while his mother was married to his Indonesian stepfather.
Local government officials allowed business people to erect a statue of a
10-year-old Obama in a Jakarta park in December. But it was shifted last
month to a nearby elementary school that he attended after more than 50,000
people supported a Facebook campaign against it and court action was
threatened.
Obama is expected to sign the statue's pedestal while in Jakarta.
No-bammer
You got that right.
Cliff
>Cliff wrote: LEFT WINGERS keep lying
Nope.
>
>You got that right.
Was about Rove. I see you forgot already.
Wingers lied.
People died.
Find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff
Burled Frau
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:1ir5p5to1tdoha4o7...@4ax.com...
trimming the tree
Cliff
wrote:
>
>"Occam's Razor" <blac...@nebulaX.com> wrote in message
>news:4b93aaaa$0$1842$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>> On 3/7/2010 7:55 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
>>> On Mar 6, 11:24 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/175/126/
>
>Oh, look, it's Clinton's fault - hahahaha, vomit.............
>One thing about repugs - can't take responsibility for anything!
>
They claim they do not lie.
It's a lie.
Seems they can do nothing else but lie.
Rove, even after being caught, KNOWS wingers will still buy more lies.
They ARE that stupid!!!
What does Palin say?
She can see Russia, after all.
--
Cliff
Frito Pendejo
A big lie indeed, since all it takes to get Democrats to rubber-stamp a
use-of-force or any other resolution is to attach it to a trillion
dollar spending bill.
Cliff
Find those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff
Frito Pendejo
You seem to interpret my criticism of Democrats as support for
Republicans. I was merely observing that Bush didn't need to lie about
Iraqi WMDs, since Democrats will rubber-stamp anything containing a
dollar sign and the word 'trillion.'
Bush would have been smart to just insert the use-of-force resolution
into a farm subsidy bill. Democrats don't bother to read the bills the
rubber-stamp, and would never notice.
Aratzio
"Pong Lrick" <pi...@pong.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:vk8tp55p10p353s6b...@4ax.com...
>trim
>try looking up your butt with that flashlight you shoved up there a couple
>days ago
That word, it does not mean what you think it means.
RogerN
you think liberals were the only liars?
RogerN
Aratzio
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>you think liberals were the only liars?
>
>RogerN
>
How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
accountable?
§nühw¤Łf
of pure thought with
news:vk8tp55p10p353s6b...@4ax.com:
Dewd! If they *didnt* lie they would'nt be wingnuts.
^_^
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thought with news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com:
Ohbama has already said "we're going to move forward" and not do the
acountability thing. Leaving Cheney et.al. to re-write history.
This country is a fucking joke.
Word.
RogerN
"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right of
choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
RogerN
SaPeIsMa
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
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NOne that I know of, since they are not "babies" UNTIL AFTER BIRTH..
> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>
And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
RogerN
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
news:S_adnfTO0bSBfALW...@bright.net...
>
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:ELqdnRarIYVJKQLW...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> "Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>Did
>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>
>>>>RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>> accountable?
>>>
>>
>> How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right
>> of choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>
> NOne that I know of, since they are not "babies" UNTIL AFTER BIRTH..
Hitler also dehuminized the victims he is responsible for killing. After
birth is just a change of location and that can change what you call it but
it doesn't change what it actually is.
>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>
>
> And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
>
Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death penalty,
care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but don't give a
hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's life in its mothers
womb?
RogerN
Hang Dog
>
> Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death penalty,
> care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but don't give a
> hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's life in its mothers
> womb?
>
Because it is incredibly funny.
Aratzio
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>> accountable?
>>
>
>How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right of
>choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>
>RogerN
>
Since you could not answer the question you run and hide.
Fucking coward.
RogerN
What question? Your "Well?" Question? I simply didn't see enough of a
question to answer.
RogerN
Aratzio
Hang Dog <righ...@wobble.nospam.net> got double secret probation for
writing:
>RogerN wrote:
That and we need stem cells to help keep us young.
Aratzio
How about this question that you ran away from, coward:
Hang Dog
Hush now or Roger will be calling Jack Barron.
RogerN
People that lied be held accountable? They should be but that isn't the
liberal way. If a woman lies and tells a man that he is father of her baby
and he believes her, child support gets pinned on him. If he finds out he
is not the father by scientific DNA proof, he should be paid every penny
back, but instead the child support continues and won't be lifted thanks to
Liberals like Bill Bradley. But thanks to the liberals, the woman isn't
punished for lying, she's rewarded, lying makes her a good liberal.
But if you want to hold people accountable for lying, how about the
Democrats that lied the last 2 elections. In 2006 "It's all the republicans
fault, elect us and we'll fix everything", the Democrats won big in 2006 and
gas prices doubled. They didn't fix anything even though they were the
majority. Then in 2008, "It's all Bush's fault, we majority Democrats take
no responsibility", well, it's true they didn't do anything, but they were
able to lie and win another election. Now it's Democrat majority everywhere
in government so what do they do? They continue to blame Bush. I saw the
economy go to crap when Obama pulled ahead in the polls, but the lying
Democrats still blamed Bush. But the Democrats did manage to get a
Republican elected to replace Kennedy and we will see what happens next
election.
But I agree that those that lied should be held accountable, it's just not
how our government works, liars are rewarded. But why did the soldiers find
Iraqi gas masks and such at their positions? Why did the Iraqi's have
barrels and barrels of insect repellant in a ditch? It made soldiers sick,
just because it kill insects, does that mean it couldn't be used as a
chemical weapon? If Iraq could hide so many scud missiles why couldn't they
hide chemical or biological weapons? After agreeing to inspections, why did
Saddam continue to stop inspections? If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and
they ended up with nukes, would the liberals that prevented it been held
accountable? Were the liberals that were responsible for 9/11 held
accountable?
RogerN
Cliff
wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Bug-Jack-Barron-Norman-Spinrad/dp/1585675857
RD (The Sandman)
news:KMKdncCMuYXemj3W...@earthlink.com:
>
> "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
> news:S_adnfTO0bSBfALW...@bright.net...
>>
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
>> news:ELqdnRarIYVJKQLW...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of
>>>> alt.usenet.kooks, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret
>>>> probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the
>>>>>Democrats. Did
>>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a
>>> right of choice is enough that those responsible should be held
>>> accountable.
>>
>> NOne that I know of, since they are not "babies" UNTIL AFTER BIRTH..
>
> Hitler also dehuminized the victims he is responsible for killing.
> After birth is just a change of location and that can change what you
> call it but it doesn't change what it actually is.
It's the process of fertilization and coming out of the womb. It is a
tad more than simply a change of location as it also changes the entity
to a child and not a parasite (although some parents may disagree with
that and say that phase lasts for another 18 years), it changes the
feeding habits of both parent and child and it causes at least one of the
parents (usually the male) to realize that his dream of running around on
his Harley is now just a dream again.
>>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>>
>>
>> And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
>>
>
> Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death
> penalty, care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but
> don't give a hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's
> life in its mothers womb?
Why is it that conservatives care so much about the child while its in
the womb but don't give a rat's ass about its well being after it is
born?
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
--Joseph T. Chew
pandora
Indeed. All very good points.
>>>> Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And idiots like you make rocks appear as intellient as Einstein.
>>>
>>>
>> Why is it that liberals care about criminals dying from the death
>> penalty, care about the soldiers dying in Iraq (as we all should) but
>> don't give a hoot about ripping up an innocent baby fighting for it's
>> life in its mothers womb?
>
> Why is it that conservatives care so much about the child while its in
> the womb but don't give a rat's ass about its well being after it is
> born?
Exactly! God forbid that any of HIS tax dollars should go to support
that which he insists must be born. Sheesh!
Aratzio
He is friends with a guy who killed his whole family?
I am guessing the cloning department should be kepy out of this?
Aratzio
So many lies in one post, how do you keep them all straight?
Take for example the canard that the inspections were stopped. Hans
Blix was in Iraq and was ordered out because of the imminent invasion.
As for all of your false equivalency, how many 10s of thousands of
people have been killed in US elections because of what you claim are
lies.
How many 10s of thousands of Iraqi's dies because of lies by the Bush
administrations and their paid for mouthpieces like Judith Miller or
Bill Kristol?
What sort of accountability id there for killing 10s of thousands of
people? "Ooops, my bad, sorry"? Is that sufficient for you? What if
your familiy had been killed for those lies, would you still be
spewing that bullshit?
Seriously you are one very fucked up individual if you believe any of
your own bullshit.
Ala
The offers are supposed to start either this pm or tomorrow
right after we settle into our barcaloungers and snuggies
Cliff
Every egg must become a winger.
Roger offers to pay child suport for all of them.
But first let's see your money up front, Roger.
(Roger has no problem though with murdering millions in Iraq
or letting tens of millions starve or die of diseases each year
as long as they were first born).
BTW, The churches used to have no problem with birth control.
This is a new 20th century invention & thing for fundies to rant about.
BTW-II --- Per the bible what's the fine for killing your kids
(if they are under 18)?
In US dollars must you pay the priests about US$ 20 each
(if caught)?
What of raping your slaves?
--
Cliff
Ala
That's hilarious because there was no birth control that was effective til
about 1950 at best.
So there was no moral dilemma to grapple with til then.
Birth control has nothing to do with theology unless keeping the coffers
filled can be equated with spirituality. Birth control limits the numbers
of potential faithful that will contribute to your take. There is no
percentage is advocating for birth control no matter what religion you are
an elder in
Gray Ghost
news:cpc5q5tld66tokt33...@4ax.com:
> BTW, The churches used to have no problem with birth control.
> This is a new 20th century invention & thing for fundies to rant about.
>
Do you ever suffer any embarassment for posting such moronic, ill informed
dreck? The depths of your ignorance rival the Marianas Trench in depth and
darkness.
--
God, guns and guts made America great.
And Janet Napolitano nervous.
Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?
Hang Dog
You seem to be referring to some obscure serial killer. I was referring
to some semi-obscure scifi book that involved harvesting kids for the
purposes of immortality.
Aratzio
Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for
writing:
>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>accountable?
>>
>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>lie then the teller.
So you believe the victim is at fault.
I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
Fuck you are stupid.
Aratzio
*sigh*
He has been whining about abortion and paying child support. I just
felt the serial murdered fit better.
Beam Me Up Scotty
down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
Is it your fault that the person down teh street was robbed?
--
Beam Me Up Scotty
down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
Is it your fault that the person down the street was robbed or their own
fault for not turning on their light?
--
Aratzio
Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> got
double secret probation for writing:
>On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>> you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>> lie then the teller.
>>
>> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>
>> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>
>> Fuck you are stupid.
>>
>Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
>down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
So it is the victims fault in your world.
>
>
>Is it your fault that the person down teh street was robbed?
No, it is still the criminals fault, you idiot.
So is it the woman's fault she got raped?
Beam Me Up Scotty
did she leave the lights off and the door unlocked?
If you don't put on a seat belt and you get thrown through the
windshield in an accident, is it your fault?
--
Aratzio
Typical, no consistancy or conviction in your beliefs. Just cowardice
when forced to confront your own failings.
>
>
>If you don't put on a seat belt and you get thrown through the
>windshield in an accident, is it your fault?
The unassing the vehicle is your fault. The accident and the results
from the accident, including the damages associated with unassing the
vehicle may leave someone else legally culpable. However any
subsequent finding by the courts may be adjusted due to the lack of
seat belt.
Now coward:
So is it the woman's fault she got raped?
You want to blame the people of the United States of America for
believing the President of the United States on matters of national
security. How stupid are you?
Cliff
He just thinks people should be born, raised & educated first & killed second.
Priorities.
--
Cliff
Aratzio
>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:02:39 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for
>>writing:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>>accountable?
>>>>
>>>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>>lie then the teller.
>>
>>So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>
>>I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>
>>Fuck you are stupid.
>>
>And you're the rocket scientist who compared believing a lie to a
>violent crime -- BFD.
No, you fucking idiot. I compared where you blame the victims.
Fuck you are stupid and cowardly.
Kadaitcha Man
the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike. Ye boiled:
> Fuck you are stupid and cowardly.
Alas, the world is full of people like that, as is alt.atheism.
--
I have defined no god. And when I do need to define some god for the
purposes of discussing its nature with atheists I always define the
supposed some god in the very same concrete and arbitrary terms, without
variation:
God = Metaphysical X
Watching you idiot atheists witlessly pinning your own lunatic
assumptions and irrational perceptions onto it then attempting to argue
against your very own deranged Frankenstein-like creation with utterly
b0rked illogic is a never-ending source of great hilarity.
Cliff
>Cliff wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:25:43 -0700, Frito Pendejo <fr...@pendejo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cliff wrote:
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/06/karl.rove.book/?hpt=T2
>>>> ""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
>>>> ""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it," he wrote.
>>>> "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force resolution
>>>> without the threat of WMD."
>>> A big lie indeed, since all it takes to get Democrats to rubber-stamp a
>>> use-of-force or any other resolution is to attach it to a trillion
>>> dollar spending bill.
>>
>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>
>You seem to interpret my criticism of Democrats as support for
>Republicans.
They are too left-wing for you, right?
> I was merely observing that Bush didn't need to lie about
>Iraqi WMDs,
So why did they lie?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/16/kiriakou.spy.book/?hpt=T2
[
In summer 2002, Kiriakou was back working at headquarters in Virginia when he
was summoned to a top-secret meeting. He said he was told the Bush
administration had decided the United States was going to invade Iraq in the
spring -- it was a done deal. His job was to support the mission. Kiriakou said
he was dumbfounded. "Here was someone at the CIA, obviously plugged into the
plans of the executive branch, telling us that the public debate in Congress,
reflected almost daily in the press, meant nothing." Months later, Congress
passed a war resolution.
]
>since Democrats will rubber-stamp anything containing a
>dollar sign and the word 'trillion.'
Like the 11 + trillion rethug debts?
>Bush would have been smart to just insert the use-of-force resolution
>into a farm subsidy bill. Democrats don't bother to read the bills
IIRC bushco said they had no need to know.
>the rubber-stamp, and would never notice.
Hence all the complaints at the time from Kennedy, Kucinich, Obama
& many others.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>Wingers keep lying !!!
>
>Yes, they surely do. And with any luck they will be turned out of
>Congress this November and the liar in chief put on the impotent and
>irrelevant list until 2012.
>
>Leftist wingers always lie, silly rabbit.
Found those "WMDs" yet?
Or SureShot's secret plans?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>People that lied be held accountable? They should be but that isn't the
>liberal way.
So you want to hang the neocons & wingers wholesale?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>the Democrats won big in 2006 and
>gas prices doubled.
What have you against free enterprise, record profits & capitalism?
--
Cliff
Cliff
> But the Democrats did manage to get a
>Republican elected to replace Kennedy and we will see what happens next
>election.
Not the Dems.
Piles & piles of special interest money from out of state.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>After agreeing to inspections, why did
>Saddam continue to stop inspections?
He did not. Bushco did. The UN was about to issue their report:
"No WMDs".
The earlier stoppage was to kick out CIA spies probably getting
targeting data who were posing as UN inspectors.
--
Cliff
Cliff
> If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and
>they ended up with nukes, would the liberals that prevented it been held
>accountable?
<Snicker>
They had absolutely no nuke program or capability of any sort
beyond some minor Physics research.
You still love those lies, eh?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:46:16 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>
>>"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1af0q5l2hn4ktikbb...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:00:21 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:bv40q5ljnps5kl7v1...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:40 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>>>>>Did
>>>>>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>>>>> accountable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>>>>>>Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you could not answer the question you run and hide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fucking coward.
>>>>
>>>>What question? Your "Well?" Question? I simply didn't see enough of a
>>>>question to answer.
>>>>
>>>>RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about this question that you ran away from, coward:
>>>
>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>> accountable?
>>
>>People that lied be held accountable? They should be but that isn't the
>>liberal way. If a woman lies and tells a man that he is father of her baby
>>and he believes her, child support gets pinned on him. If he finds out he
>>is not the father by scientific DNA proof, he should be paid every penny
>>back, but instead the child support continues and won't be lifted thanks to
>>Liberals like Bill Bradley. But thanks to the liberals, the woman isn't
>>punished for lying, she's rewarded, lying makes her a good liberal.
>>
>>But if you want to hold people accountable for lying, how about the
>>Democrats that lied the last 2 elections. In 2006 "It's all the republicans
>>fault, elect us and we'll fix everything", the Democrats won big in 2006 and
>>gas prices doubled. They didn't fix anything even though they were the
>>majority. Then in 2008, "It's all Bush's fault, we majority Democrats take
>>no responsibility", well, it's true they didn't do anything, but they were
>>able to lie and win another election. Now it's Democrat majority everywhere
>>in government so what do they do? They continue to blame Bush. I saw the
>>economy go to crap when Obama pulled ahead in the polls, but the lying
>>Democrats still blamed Bush. But the Democrats did manage to get a
>>Republican elected to replace Kennedy and we will see what happens next
>>election.
>>
>>But I agree that those that lied should be held accountable, it's just not
>>how our government works, liars are rewarded. But why did the soldiers find
>>Iraqi gas masks and such at their positions? Why did the Iraqi's have
>>barrels and barrels of insect repellant in a ditch? It made soldiers sick,
>>just because it kill insects, does that mean it couldn't be used as a
>>chemical weapon? If Iraq could hide so many scud missiles why couldn't they
>>hide chemical or biological weapons? After agreeing to inspections, why did
>>Saddam continue to stop inspections? If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and
>>they ended up with nukes, would the liberals that prevented it been held
>>accountable? Were the liberals that were responsible for 9/11 held
>>accountable?
>>
>>RogerN
>>
>
>So many lies in one post, how do you keep them all straight?
>
>Take for example the canard that the inspections were stopped. Hans
>Blix was in Iraq and was ordered out because of the imminent invasion.
>
>As for all of your false equivalency, how many 10s of thousands of
>people have been killed in US elections because of what you claim are
>lies.
>
>How many 10s of thousands of Iraqi's dies because of lies by the Bush
>administrations and their paid for mouthpieces like Judith Miller or
>Bill Kristol?
>
>What sort of accountability id there for killing 10s of thousands of
>people? "Ooops, my bad, sorry"? Is that sufficient for you? What if
>your familiy had been killed for those lies, would you still be
>spewing that bullshit?
>
>Seriously you are one very fucked up individual if you believe any of
>your own bullshit.
<crickets>
Cliff
>
>"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
>news:cpc5q5tld66tokt33...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:40 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Aratzio" <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:p52up5lub9g739ita...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>>Did
>>>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>>
>>>How many millions of US and foreign babies have been murdered as a right
>>>of
>>>choice is enough that those responsible should be held accountable.
>>>Pro-Choicers make Hitler look like a saint!
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>> Every egg must become a winger.
>> Roger offers to pay child suport for all of them.
>> But first let's see your money up front, Roger.
>> (Roger has no problem though with murdering millions in Iraq
>> or letting tens of millions starve or die of diseases each year
>> as long as they were first born).
>>
>> BTW, The churches used to have no problem with birth control.
>> This is a new 20th century invention & thing for fundies to rant about.
>>
>
>
>That's hilarious because there was no birth control that was effective til
>about 1950 at best.
Sure there was.
Has been for thousands of years in various forms & in various places.
Here are 56 plants, as an example:
http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_use.php?K%5B%5D=Abortifacient
More:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&ei=MW-kS8T0J8Tflgff2MDMCA&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAYQvwUoAQ&q=plant+abortifacient&spell=1
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&ei=42-kS-qNAYP6lwfb4KDoCA&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAUQBSgA&q=plant+spermicide&spell=1
http://www.essortment.com/all/birthcontrolhi_rzcx.htm
>So there was no moral dilemma to grapple with til then.
>
>Birth control has nothing to do with theology unless keeping the coffers
>filled can be equated with spirituality. Birth control limits the numbers
>of potential faithful that will contribute to your take. There is no
>percentage is advocating for birth control no matter what religion you are
>an elder in
--
Cliff
Aratzio
Kadaitcha Man <an...@no.email> got double secret probation for writing:
>"Aratzio", thou tickle-brained common recreation. Watch out he's winding
>the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike. Ye boiled:
>
>> Fuck you are stupid and cowardly.
>
>Alas, the world is full of people like that, as is alt.atheism.
And the morons vote. We are fucked as a world.
Cliff
Ghost) wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:cpc5q5tld66tokt33...@4ax.com:
>
>> BTW, The churches used to have no problem with birth control.
>> This is a new 20th century invention & thing for fundies to rant about.
>>
>
>Do you ever suffer any embarassment for posting such moronic, ill informed
>dreck? The depths of your ignorance rival the Marianas Trench in depth and
>darkness.
http://www.mum.org/contrace.htm
"... The total prohibition of artificial birth control methods by the Roman
Catholic church, declared by Pope Pius XI in his 1930 encyclical, Casi Connubii
.. "
So prior to 1930 & the Pope telling you what to do ....
LOTS of other religions too !!
All equally invalid.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats. Did
>>>you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>
>>>RogerN
>>>
>>
>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>accountable?
>>
>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>lie then the teller.
Wingers are pretty gullible & stupid. Is that a valid defense?
In what court, exactly?
--
Cliff
Cliff
<crickets>
Cliff
>No it is his fault that he didn't provide them with assistance in
>paying their electrical bill.
IIRC Last year people without power died ....
--
Cliff
Cliff
>I have defined no god. And when I do need to define some god for the
>purposes of discussing its nature with atheists I always define the
>supposed some god in the very same concrete and arbitrary terms, without
>variation:
>
>God = Metaphysical X
IOW Meaningless noise.
>Watching you idiot atheists witlessly pinning your own lunatic
>assumptions and irrational perceptions onto it then attempting to argue
>against your very own deranged Frankenstein-like creation with utterly
>b0rked illogic is a never-ending source of great hilarity.
Any noise has as miuch meaning as any other: none beyond the fact
that there is annoying noise.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>When did anyone in the U.S. start murdering "babies"?
Kadaitcha Man
George, I'll call thee Peter. Ye kvetched:
> Any noise has as miuch meaning as any other: none beyond the fact
> that there is annoying noise.
I disagree. Your noise has as miuch [sic] less meaning as any other.
*PLONK*
--
I have defined no god. And when I do need to define some god for the
purposes of discussing its nature with atheists I always define the
supposed some god in the very same concrete and arbitrary terms, without
variation:
God = Metaphysical X
Watching you idiot atheists witlessly pinning your own lunatic
Cliff
>On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:01:00 -0500, "§nühw¤Łf" <snuh...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> clouded the waters
>>of pure thought with
>>news:vk8tp55p10p353s6b...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 12:25:43 -0700, Frito Pendejo
>>> <fr...@pendejo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cliff wrote:
>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/06/karl.rove.book/?hpt=T2
>>>>> ""[D]id Bush lie us into war? Absolutely not," Rove wrote "
>>>>> ""Would the Iraq War have occurred without WMD? I doubt it,"
>>>>> he wrote.
>>>>> "Congress was very unlikely to have supported the use-of-force
>>>>> resolution without the threat of WMD."
>>>>
>>>>A big lie indeed, since all it takes to get Democrats to
>>>>rubber-stamp a use-of-force or any other resolution is to attach
>>>>it to a trillion dollar spending bill.
>>>
>>> Find those "WMDs" yet?
>>
>>Dewd! If they *didnt* lie they would'nt be wingnuts.
>>
>What's worse, one liar or the hundreds that believed him, especially
>one he wasn't all that creative of a speaker or liar to begin with?
And with the inspectors yelling "No WMDs !"
Not that it was any business of the US's anyway.
None of Iraq's neighbors were a bit concerned.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>"Cliff", thou biting bug-riddled very pebble stone. If thy name be
>George, I'll call thee Peter. Ye kvetched:
>
>> Any noise has as miuch meaning as any other: none beyond the fact
>> that there is annoying noise.
>
>I disagree. Your noise has as miuch [sic] less meaning as any other.
>
>*PLONK*
More noise?
--
Cliff
Aratzio
Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> got double secret
probation for writing:
>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:50 -0400, Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>When did anyone in the U.S. start murdering "babies"?
>
> http://www.iraqwar.org/childunicef.htm
The Americal Division.
Specifically C Company, 1st Battalion 20th Infantry
Calley & Medina
Mar 1968
Kadaitcha Man
pudding one of these days. Ye vented:
Well, you're fucked. Apparently I'm not going to be around much longer.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:09:31 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> Beam Me Up Scotty
> double secret probation for writing:
>
>>> Beam Me Up Scotty
>>> <Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> got
>>> double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>> Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for
>>>>> writing:
>>>>>
> believing the President of the United States on matters of national
> security. How stupid are you?
How about a little boy that teases a dog and gets bit, is that like a
girl getting raped, some girl who teases a boy and gets "bit"?
I was taught that if you teased a dog and got bit, it was more or less
your own fault.....
This Idea that all women are innocent links back to your Oedipus complex
and your belief that your mommy is pure and innocent and we all know
little boys who get bit by a dog are mischievous so it's OK to blame them.
--
Chief Egalitarian
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
news:ils8q51q5tg4qtm35...@4ax.com...
If Cliff is sucking his boyfriend's cock and get a cum stain on his new
shirt, is it Cliff's fault or his boyfriend's?
Chief Egalitarian
"Beam Me Up Scotty"
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
message news:4ba4e7ee$0$13531$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
Were you taught that there is a difference between a dog and a human. or are
they all equal to you?
Aratzio
So define what you consider teasing sufficient that a man is justified
in raping another human being.
Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
justification for rape?
I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
tool of war?
Aratzio
"Chief Egalitarian" <Egal@legal_egal.law> got double secret probation
for writing:
I love when they think they are insulting as they spew their fantasies
that scare/disgust them most.
Beam Me Up Scotty
We are all taught "now" that dogs have rights just like humans... and
whales and cats and elephants and..... Watch Animal Planet.
Obama hired a guy that thinks dogs have a right to lawyers.
But no I don't think dogs and adult humans are the same....
>> This Idea that all women are innocent links back to your Oedipus complex
>> and your belief that your mommy is pure and innocent and we all know
>> little boys who get bit by a dog are mischievous so it's OK to blame
>> them.
--
Aratzio
Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> got
double secret probation for writing:
>We are all taught "now" that dogs have rights just like humans... and
>whales and cats and elephants and..... Watch Animal Planet.
So why is it that the people that whine about such like Rick Santorum
or JD Hayworth ALWAYS bring in beastiality to the conversation?
Beam Me Up Scotty
I don't recall saying that any specific amount is sufficient.
I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
> Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
> justification for rape?
Did I suggest it was Justified, I suggested that there may be reasons
that it occurs, not the right or wrong of it. It's you who assign the
blame, I point out the probable cause.
You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
for your actions.
Maybe women should have a *Chastity belt law* . You know, to keep them
safe like the Seatbelt law....
> I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
> tool of war?
No
--
Beam Me Up Scotty
How much is enough teasing to get a dog to bite you?
I don't recall saying that any specific amount is sufficient.
I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
> Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
> justification for rape?
Did I suggest it was Justified, I suggested that there may be reasons
that it occurs, not the right or wrong of it. It's you who assign the
blame, I point out the probable cause.
You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
for your actions.
Maybe women should have a *Chastity belt law* . You know, to keep them
safe like the Seatbelt law....
> I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
> tool of war?
No
--
Aratzio
Nice backpedal, coward.
>
>I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
>the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
Because one is a non-sentient animal. I know that is obviously
something to which you can relate.
That you can't figure that out was totally unsurprising.
>
>
>> Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
>> justification for rape?
>
>
>Did I suggest it was Justified, I suggested that there may be reasons
>that it occurs, not the right or wrong of it. It's you who assign the
>blame, I point out the probable cause.
"probable cause"
Please tell me how you differentiate blame and cause in your
statement.
Specifically if you are not blaming the rape victim then how can they
be the cause.
>
>
>You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>for your actions.
So, it is the fault of the rape victim as they were "teasing" and
therefore they should take responsibility for some other supposedly
sentient being raping them.
That you can equate an accident involving no one but the victim with a
violent assault perpetrated by one person upon another is at best
bizarre and quite possibly sociopathic. In your case that might be
sociopathetic.
Get help.
>
>
>Maybe women should have a *Chastity belt law* . You know, to keep them
>safe like the Seatbelt law....
You would like having the ability to control women.
Rather than blame the victim, as you just did again, supposed *men*
like you should be castrated as a preventative measure. You know,
blame the perpatrator.
>> I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
>> tool of war?
>
>No
Maybe you could blame the people in the Trade Centers for working in a
icon of US capitalism rather than the terrorists.
Aratzio
That you cant tell the difference between sentient acts and
non-sentient acts is not surprising.
>
>
>I don't recall saying that any specific amount is sufficient.
Then there is no justification, ever, and your argument is bullshit.
>
>
>
>I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
>the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
Because the dog does not think, it reacts.
You don't get that do you?
>
>
>> Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
>> justification for rape?
>
>
>Did I suggest it was Justified, I suggested that there may be reasons
>that it occurs, not the right or wrong of it. It's you who assign the
>blame, I point out the probable cause.
blame and probable cause
go ahead, define how those are different in this case.
Either the rapist had probable cause or the rapist never has probable
cause.
Define what the probable cause that would make the rapist less
culpable, be specific as to the rationale behind your definition:
>
>
>You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>for your actions.
Now you go from non-sentient to inanimate to justify the actions of a
rapist.
Get help.
>
>
>Maybe women should have a *Chastity belt law* . You know, to keep them
>safe like the Seatbelt law....
Castration law for *men* who cannot understand the difference between
rape and a car accident.
>
>
>> I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
>> tool of war?
>
>No
What of the women were teasing the soldiers?
Cliff
So rape is fine with you.
Move to Alaska.
--
Cliff
Cliff
I think about half of them want to be gay or something.
That's perfectly fine with me but why do they want to hide it?
I could care less.
Free country if minus wingers & fundies. Teabaggers, probably.
--
Cliff
Cliff
Old habits die hard?
--
Cliff
Cliff
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>You are launched through the windshield because you were wearing no seat
>belt, it happens because you chose to wear or not wear the things that
>could in bad situation save you from some harm, you chose to ride rather
>than walk, I don't lay blame.... but you should except responsibility
>for your actions.
This adds to all our insurance & medical costs.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
>>the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
>
>Because one is a non-sentient animal. I know that is obviously
>something to which you can relate.
I doubt any life is "non-sentient".
Other species are just different. Result of random evolution
& different ecological needs.
Even the smallest of worms can learn IIRC, unlike wingers.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Maybe you could blame the people in the Trade Centers for working in a
>icon of US capitalism rather than the terrorists.
Cliff
<Then-Fire-A-Full-Spre...@blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>> Really, are you that stupid that you imagine there is ANY
>> justification for rape?
>
>
>Did I suggest it was Justified, I suggested that there may be reasons
>that it occurs, not the right or wrong of it. It's you who assign the
>blame, I point out the probable cause.
Like when you have guns someone may be shot and
the gun's owner go to prison.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>I'm wondering why one is NOT the fault of the teased, while society says
>>the other is? It seems to all be in your head. No facts.
>
>Because the dog does not think, it reacts.
Unlike wingers dogs can solve problems.
>You don't get that do you?
--
Cliff
Beam Me Up Scotty
Like you enjoy forcing me to wear seat-belts? I suppose you want me to
be banned from eating trans fats and salt.
> Rather than blame the victim, as you just did again, supposed *men*
> like you should be castrated as a preventative measure. You know,
> blame the perpatrator.
I have never even been accused of any crime against a woman. You would
be doing what is typical of Liberals.... you would be emasculating a
man without any proof of any crime, typical attitude of a man hating
Lesbian.
>>> I suppose you support the insurgents in the Congo who use rape as a
>>> tool of war?
>>
>> No
>
> Maybe you could blame the people in the Trade Centers for working in a
> icon of US capitalism rather than the terrorists.
It's you who wants to blame people.
--
Beam Me Up Scotty
--
Beam Me Up Scotty
NO, I'm fine with all my medical and insurance, no added costs.....
They might lay in a hospital intensive care at age 86 and cost more so
death now is minor. Besides insurance is for the other guy in car
accidents, not for me, if it gets too expensive I quit driving.
--
pandora
> On 3/19/2010 7:02 PM, Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>> Did you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>
>>>>> RogerN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>> civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>> accountable?
>>>>
>>> I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>> lie then the teller.
>>
>> So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>
>> I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>
>> Fuck you are stupid.
>>
> Police will tell you to turn your lights on so the criminals will go
> down the street and rob someone else with no lights on....
>
>
> Is it your fault that the person down the street was robbed or their own
> fault for not turning on their light?
Neither. It is the fault of the robber who robbed the house.
pandora
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:15:12 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
> Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:02:39 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:42:09 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>Zombywoof <fish...@live.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:28:31 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:36 -0500, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>>>>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Lying was very successful in the last 2 elections for the Democrats.
>>>>>> Did you think liberals were the only liars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RogerN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>How many thousands of US Military and 10s of thousands of Iraqi
>>>>>civilians is enough that the people who lied should be held
>>>>>accountable?
>>>>>
>>>>I've always thought the culpability lies more with the believer of the
>>>>lie then the teller.
>>>
>>>So you believe the victim is at fault.
>>>
>>>I suppose women that get raped should have stayed home?
>>>
>>>Fuck you are stupid.
>>>
>>And you're the rocket scientist who compared believing a lie to a
>>violent crime -- BFD.
>
> No, you fucking idiot. I compared where you blame the victims.
>
> Fuck you are stupid and cowardly.
Besides, the *lie* led to violent crime; the deaths of innocent
individuals.