Faux:: Your Socialist "news"
Cliff
not creating enough jobs to suit them.
Nor was Obama a good Socialist either as he had not
either, per them.
OTOH They never had any problems about bushco & the rethugs LOSING
half the US manufacturing jobs Clinton left the US with or creating
the problems AND doubling the size of the federal do-nothing
(remember Katrina & etc?) payrolls (probably hired their laxy-ass brain-dead
buddies).
--
Cliff
RONSERESURPLUS
wrote:
> � They were just whining thet BIG GOVERNMENT was not big enough .. it was
Cliff
RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
Tell me that you think MSNBC and CBS Do a better Job, so you can lok
as foolish as you are? LOL Fox is not Perfect,m but far better than
Most other news sources, but then, I bet you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real
"SOCIALIST SOURCES"!
Hawke
>> � OTOH They never had any problems about bushco& the rethugs LOSING
>> half the US manufacturing jobs Clinton left the US with or creating
>> the problems AND doubling the size of the federal do-nothing
>> buddies).
>> --
>> Cliff
>
> Cliff
>
> RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
>
> Tell me that you think MSNBC and CBS Do a better Job, so you can lok
> as foolish as you are? LOL Fox is not Perfect,m but far better than
> Most other news sources, but then, I bet you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real
> "SOCIALIST SOURCES"!
Just curious. Did you notice that you mentioned most of the TV media in
your post. You said all of them except Fox are socialist sources. You
are saying that all American TV news sources are socialist except for
Foxnews. See anything wrong with that analysis? Especially when I'm sure
you have at least heard that Foxnews is known as the right wing network.
Is it possible that Fox is the right wing network and the others are the
middle of the road ones? Could it be that to you any network other than
Fox is left wing? You should give that one some thought.
Hawke
Henry
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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Curly Surmudgeon
<ronsere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 12:35�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> wrote:
>> � They were just whining thet BIG GOVERNMENT was not big enough .. it
>> was not creating enough jobs to suit them. � Nor was Obama a good
>> Socialist either as he had not either, per them.
>>
>> � OTOH They never had any problems about bushco & the rethugs LOSING
>> half the US manufacturing jobs Clinton left the US with or creating the
>> problems AND doubling the size of the federal do-nothing (remember
>> Katrina & etc?) payrolls (probably hired their laxy-ass brain-dead
>> buddies).
>> --
>> Cliff
>
> Cliff
>
> RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
>
> NBC and CBS Do a better Job, sources, but that you are? LOL Fox is not
> Perfect,m but think MSNBC and CBS Do a bet you that you are? LOL Fox is
> not Perfect,m but that you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST
> SOURCES"! Tell me that you can lok as foolish as you can lok as you
> like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST SOURCES"! Tell me that you can lok
> as foolish as you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST SOURCES"! Tell me
> than Most othen, I better then, I bet you think MSNBC and CBS Do a bet
> you are? LOL Fox
Can you do that live?
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Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Hawke
Yes, I have wated the Big 3 news since I was a Kid, and Yes, I see Fox
News as one of the better ones, Not perfect mind you, But Far bettere
than CNN, MSNBC and CBS, if you can't see that, then yes, you need to
look a little harder or move to Cuba where you'd feel at home?/ LOL
RON
Hawke
It wouldn't matter where I lived I could still recognize bias when I see
it. Foxnews is the most biased network in the U.S., it's virtually a
wholly owned network outlet for the republican party.
I watched the other networks for years too. Some of them do have a left
leaning bias. No station is free of a political viewpoint. The hypocrisy
is for the most biased network to maintain a fiction that it's "fair and
balanced" when it's anything but that. The other stations, and I watch
them all, do much better at being objective. None succeed completely but
none of them are as blatantly supportive of one particular party as Fox
is, not even MSNBC. Fox promotes republicans and right wing ideology
24/7. Whether it's the Christian programming it has, the glorification
of war and the military, or the far right wing hosts on all evening
long, Fox is promoting the right wing agenda. None of the other stations
are even close to doing what Fox does. I know you won't see it that way
but that doesn't matter. Fox has a worldwide reputation as right wing.
It's understood everywhere. Everyone but the faithful Fox audience know
it's a right wing network. That doesn't bother me at all. I watch it
occasionally. But unlike most of the viewers, I know Fox is all about
promoting right wing causes. That's okay but pretending not to be is
what is offensive. If they would just say Fox News, the right wing
network, I'd have no problem with them. But they have to lie about what
they are and that does bother me.
Hawke
Hawke
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:25:34 -0800, RONSERESURPLUS
> <ronsere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 12:35�pm, Cliff<Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> wrote:
>>> � They were just whining thet BIG GOVERNMENT was not big enough .. it
>>> was not creating enough jobs to suit them. � Nor was Obama a good
>>> Socialist either as he had not either, per them.
>>>
>>> half the US manufacturing jobs Clinton left the US with or creating the
>>> problems AND doubling the size of the federal do-nothing (remember
>>> buddies).
>>> --
>>> Cliff
>>
>> Cliff
>>
>> RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
>>
>> NBC and CBS Do a better Job, sources, but that you are? LOL Fox is not
>> Perfect,m but think MSNBC and CBS Do a bet you that you are? LOL Fox is
>> not Perfect,m but that you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST
>> SOURCES"! Tell me that you can lok as foolish as you can lok as you
>> like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST SOURCES"! Tell me that you can lok
>> as foolish as you like Cnn?? BBC? The Real "SOCIALIST SOURCES"! Tell me
>> than Most othen, I better then, I bet you think MSNBC and CBS Do a bet
>> you are? LOL Fox
>
> Can you do that live?
>
He's got a real bad stuttering problem.
Hawke
Buerste
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:hn6ffo$qrs$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 3/8/2010 7:13 PM, RONSERESURPLUS wrote:
>>>>> OTOH They never had any problems about bushco& ?the rethugs LOSING
>>>>> half the US manufacturing jobs Clinton left the US with or creating
>>>>> the problems AND doubling the size of the federal do-nothing
>>>>> buddies).
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cliff
>>>
>>>> Cliff
>>>
>>>> RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
>>>
But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
reality.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
True indeed. Very true.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Wes
>But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>reality.
Flip between FOX and MSNBC and one network will convince you are in Bizzaro World. Which
on depends on your political leaning.
http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=2483
That is my political moment for tonight. I did put the 4 jaw on my lathe and thread the
makings of a 5C collet stop. I'd have finished it but Glen Beck had an interesting show
tonight. ;) There is always tomorrow night. Oh yeah, ground down a 12 mm wrench so it
would fit my 4x6 saw so I can adjust the guide roller eccentrics.
Scored a couple free 5C collet racks. I unwraped my NIB Lyndex collets and put them in
the first rack.
Tried to turn a chunk of stock with some type AR 1/2" brazed carbide bits I bought from
Enco. Someone forgot to grind in side relief. I watched my tool post rotate away from
the work.
I guess it is time to mount a diamond wheel to my HF baldor clone and shim it to run true
as possible. I need to tweek some bits. Maybe tomorrow.
The snow continues to melt. :)
Wes
Hawke
> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
> reality.
Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
conservative line all year long. So how can they not be the right wing
network? Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
all their competitors are. That's just plain baloney. They should just
say they support the republican party.
Hawke
Patriot Games
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>On
>> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>> reality.
>Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
>something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
>wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
>what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
>is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
>parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
>station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
>all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
>conservative line all year long.
Because that IS America, dumbass.
>So how can they not be the right wing network?
Because they accurately reflect America, which is a Christian,
family-values, slightly right of center nation.
>Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
>and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
>all their competitors are.
They accurately reflect America, which is a Christian, family-values,
slightly right of center nation, therefore they are NOT biased, they
are fair and balanced.
Anything left or right of them IS biased and does NOT reflect America
including ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.
>They should just say they support the republican party.
They don't.
Hawke
>>> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>>> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>>> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>>> reality.
>> Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
>> something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
>> wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
>> what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
>> is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
>> parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
>> station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
>> all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
>> conservative line all year long.
>
> Because that IS America, dumbass.
The hell it is! That may be fly over America and southern backwoods
America but it sure isn't what most Americans are, you dumb cracker.
>
>> So how can they not be the right wing network?
>
> Because they accurately reflect America, which is a Christian,
> family-values, slightly right of center nation.
Only in your imagination.
>> Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
>> and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
>> all their competitors are.
>
> They accurately reflect America, which is a Christian, family-values,
> slightly right of center nation, therefore they are NOT biased, they
> are fair and balanced.
Unbiased means unbiased. Obviously you don't understand what that means.
Reflecting what the majority thinks or wants is not unbiased. Fair and
balanced means you don't have a point of view. It means you have no
agenda and represent no one but the facts. Fox does represent right wing
republican values so by definition, it's biased.
> Anything left or right of them IS biased and does NOT reflect America
> including ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.
So Fox is how everyone else is judged? That's the standard? Quit with
the jokes. Fox is a right wing station not a fair and balanced one. The
truth is the other stations are far closer to fair and balanced than Fox
is. You just can't see it. You don't understand what fair and balanced
is. Proof is you think Fox isn't biased when everyone else knows it is.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
>> They should just say they support the republican party.
>
> They don't.
Then why do they have so many republicans working for the network and
why are most guests and pundits republicans? Just by chance? If you read
the republican party platform it would be just what Fox News is putting
on the air every day.
Hawke
RBnDFW
No, he has a point. To be a true American Centrist is to be a bit
conservative, in relation to the world at large.
The core of Fox appears to reflect that, although the pundits with
their own shows may have views further to the right, just as the local
newspaper has columnists who champion vies that differ from the parent
company.
As to your last question, the few times I've seen a Liberal Democrat on
a fox show, they've not performed well. And I'm being kind here.
But for the most part, the Fox hosts are respectful of the opposing view
and the people who espouse them, both to their face and in
post-interview commentary. I can't say that for most of the other
outlets, though a couple of them seem to be finally making an effort to
do better.
Michael A. Terrell
Henry wrote:
>
> REMOVE
Remove what? This isn't a mailing list, it's a Usenet Newsgroup
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"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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you stupid leftard
Hawke
>> Then why do they have so many republicans working for the network and
>> why are most guests and pundits republicans? Just by chance? If you
>> read the republican party platform it would be just what Fox News is
>> putting on the air every day.
>
> No, he has a point. To be a true American Centrist is to be a bit
> conservative, in relation to the world at large.
How is it that you come to that conclusion? This idea that Americans are
conservative in general is not a fact it's an opinion. People have many
different views on things and you can't put a lot of people neatly into
groups. I have some liberal views and some conservative ones but I don't
fit into either party. So if you say Americans are a bit conservative
that's true but you can say they're a bit liberal and it's true too.
Trying to say what the American people are is a rhetorical trick that is
meant to say the public sides with your point of view. You hear people
say the American people believe this or the American people want this or
that. It's baloney. Americans are divided on most things.
> The core of Fox appears to reflect that, although the pundits with their
> own shows may have views further to the right, just as the local
> newspaper has columnists who champion vies that differ from the parent
> company.
The facts are as I said. From the top on down just about everyone on the
Fox network is a republican/conservative/right winger. When people on
Fox say that everyone at MSNBC is a liberal that's about right. Then
they say with all those liberals it's no wonder the network is biased to
the left. If that is true for MSNBC then it's also true for Fox. You
don't have an organization filled with right wing leaning people and not
have the organization be right wing leaning too.
> As to your last question, the few times I've seen a Liberal Democrat on
> a fox show, they've not performed well. And I'm being kind here.
> But for the most part, the Fox hosts are respectful of the opposing view
> and the people who espouse them, both to their face and in
> post-interview commentary. I can't say that for most of the other
> outlets, though a couple of them seem to be finally making an effort to
> do better.
I've seen a lot of Fox News programming. I agree that for the most part
the right wing hosts are civil and professional in their dealings with
Democrats. But their right wing bias is also clear to see. I have also
seen left wing hosts like Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann do the same
when they have republicans on their shows. But it's like I said from the
beginning, I see nothing wrong with having a left leaning network like
MSNBC and a right wing leaning network like Fox. My only beef is when
they pretend they don't have a bias and from what I've seen only Fox
acts like they are right smack down the middle of the road and have no
bias at all. That's a crock and it makes me wonder who they are trying
to fool. Apparently, the only people who believe that malarkey are the
people who get all their news from Fox.
Hawke
Patriot Games
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>>>> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>>>> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>>>> reality.
>>> Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
>>> something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
>>> wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
>>> what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
>>> is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
>>> parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
>>> station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
>>> all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
>>> conservative line all year long.
>> Because that IS America, dumbass.
>The hell it is! That may be fly over America and southern backwoods
>America but it sure isn't what most Americans are, you dumb cracker.
Wrong:
Most Americans are Christian:
http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am
going to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe
in, something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe
in. . . ."
Believe In God: 86%
Don't Believe In God: 6%
Not Sure: 8%
"Which of the following statements comes closest to your belief about
God: you believe in God, you don't believe in God but you do believe
in a universal spirit or higher power, or you don't believe in
either?"
Believe in God: 78%
Believe in Universal Spirit/Higher Power: 14%
Neither: 7%
Wrong:
Most Americans are Conservative:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
Conservative: 40%
Moderate: 35%
Liberal: 21%
Wrong:
Americans support family values:
http://www.pollingreport.com/values.htm
Gallup Poll. Aug. 31-Sept. 2, 2009. "Some people think the government
should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the
government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes
closer to your own view?"
Should Promote Traditional Values: 52%
Should Not Favor Any Set of Values: 42%
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 19-21, 2008. "Some people
think the government should promote traditional values in our society.
Others think the government should not favor any particular set of
values. Which comes closer to your own view?"
Promote Traditional Values: 57%
Not Favor Particular Values: 41%
>>> So how can they not be the right wing network?
>> Because they accurately reflect America, which is a Christian,
>> family-values, slightly right of center nation.
>Only in your imagination.
YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING.
>>> Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
>>> and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
>>> all their competitors are.
>> They accurately reflect America, which is a Christian, family-values,
>> slightly right of center nation, therefore they are NOT biased, they
>> are fair and balanced.
>Unbiased means unbiased.
Wrong.
Definitions of unbiased (adj):
1) not biased: fair and impartial rather than biased or prejudiced.
2) with zero bias: in statistics, with an expected value that is equal
to the parameter being estimated.
>Obviously you don't understand what that means.
YOU are a PROVEN LIAR.
Your OPINIONS are NO LONGER of value.
>Fair and balanced means you don't have a point of view. It means you have no
>agenda and represent no one but the facts. Fox does represent right wing
>republican values so by definition, it's biased.
Wrong. Fox accurated represents America and American values.
Since America IS a mostly Christian, mostly Conservative, family
values-oriented Nation then representing America that way IS fair and
balanced.
>> Anything left or right of them IS biased and does NOT reflect America
>> including ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.
>So Fox is how everyone else is judged?
Fox is the baseline. Since Fox accurately represents America they ARE
the defacto baseline.
>Fox is a right wing station not a fair and balanced one.
YOU are a PROVEN LIAR.
Your OPINIONS are NO LONGER of value.
>The truth is the other stations are far closer to fair and balanced than Fox
>is. You just can't see it.
I can't see it because it DOES NOT EXIST AS PROVEN ABOVE.
>>> They should just say they support the republican party.
>> They don't.
>Then why do they have so many republicans working for the network
As a PROVEN LIAR YOu are PROHIBITED from making UNCITED Claims.
PROVE how many registered Republicans work at Fox or shut the fuck up.
>and why are most guests and pundits republicans?
See above.
>Hawke
You should change your name to Dead Bird.
As a PROVEN LIAR I now OWN your name and I will embarrass and
humiliate your forever.
Lookout
<Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:38:24 -0800, Hawke
><davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>>>>> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>>>>> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>>>>> reality.
>>>> Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
>>>> something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
>>>> wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
>>>> what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
>>>> is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
>>>> parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
>>>> station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
>>>> all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
>>>> conservative line all year long.
>>> Because that IS America, dumbass.
>>The hell it is! That may be fly over America and southern backwoods
>>America but it sure isn't what most Americans are, you dumb cracker.
>
>Wrong:
>
>Most Americans are Christian:
>
And they are completely nuts for believing this bullshit.
Most of the world ISN'T christian.
>
>Most Americans are Conservative:
Then how did Obama win? I think you have a problem.
>
>
>Americans support family values:
>
>http://www.pollingreport.com/values.htm
>
>Gallup Poll. Aug. 31-Sept. 2, 2009. "Some people think the government
>should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the
>government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes
>closer to your own view?"
>Should Promote Traditional Values: 52%
>Should Not Favor Any Set of Values: 42%
Asinine statement. There is no such thing as "family values" it's a
term coined with no definition.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:29:22 -0500, Patriot Games
><Pat...@america.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:38:24 -0800, Hawke
>><davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>> But your viewpoint is SOOOO FARRRRR LEFT that you think the networks are
>>>>>> close to neutral. From my point of view, FOX is just barely right of center
>>>>>> and the networks have their heads so far up the liberal butt they can't see
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>> Look. When even you admit that Fox is right of center that means
>>>>> something. You know you are not a middle of the road person but a right
>>>>> wing person. So if even someone on the right like you can see Fox is not
>>>>> what they pretend to be what do you think everyone else thinks? The fact
>>>>> is that Fox is a right wing network. The owner Rupert Murdock of the
>>>>> parent company, Newscorp, is a right wing guy. So is the head of the
>>>>> station, Roger Ailes. All the hosts are right wing and so are just about
>>>>> all the on air people. They push the Christian, family values,
>>>>> conservative line all year long.
>>>> Because that IS America, dumbass.
>>>The hell it is! That may be fly over America and southern backwoods
>>>America but it sure isn't what most Americans are, you dumb cracker.
>>Wrong:
>>Most Americans are Christian:
>And they are completely nuts for believing this bullshit.
Irrelevant.
>Most of the world ISN'T christian.
Irrelevant.
>>Most Americans are Conservative:
>Then how did Obama win?
It's too complicated for you to understand.
>I think you have a problem.
Nope, I understand it perfectly and completely.
>>Americans support family values:
>>http://www.pollingreport.com/values.htm
>>Gallup Poll. Aug. 31-Sept. 2, 2009. "Some people think the government
>>should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the
>>government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes
>>closer to your own view?"
>>Should Promote Traditional Values: 52%
>>Should Not Favor Any Set of Values: 42%
>Asinine statement. There is no such thing as "family values" it's a
>term coined with no definition.
52% (the MAJORITY) of Americans say you're WRONG!
Sucks to be as dumb as you...
Hawke
> Most Americans are Christian:
When asked in a poll most Americans' answer to what is their religion,
is Christian. So What? Most of them don't even go to church and only say
they are Christian because they think that is what they are supposed to say.
> http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
> Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am
> going to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe
> in, something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe
> in. . . ."
> Believe In God: 86%
> Don't Believe In God: 6%
> Not Sure: 8%
Another so what answer? Most people believe in god. Ask the same thing
of the most primitive humans on earth and you know what they say? They
all believe in god. That doesn't mean a thing.
> "Which of the following statements comes closest to your belief about
> God: you believe in God, you don't believe in God but you do believe
> in a universal spirit or higher power, or you don't believe in
> either?"
> Believe in God: 78%
> Believe in Universal Spirit/Higher Power: 14%
> Neither: 7%
So?
> Wrong:
>
> Most Americans are Conservative:
>
> http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
>
> Conservative: 40%
> Moderate: 35%
> Liberal: 21%
The poll says 40% are conservative. The number who are not conservative
is 56%. That's most Americans who are not conservative, according to the
poll. How dumb. You say most Americans are conservative and then post a
poll showing most Americans are either moderates or liberals. You just
proved me right. Most Americans are not conservative. Thanks.
> Wrong:
>
> Americans support family values:
>
> http://www.pollingreport.com/values.htm
>
> Gallup Poll. Aug. 31-Sept. 2, 2009. "Some people think the government
> should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the
> government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes
> closer to your own view?"
> Should Promote Traditional Values: 52%
> Should Not Favor Any Set of Values: 42%
Support or promote? They're not the same. Besides, it all depends on
what you call family values. Everyone comes from a family. Most people
share common values and ideals in any society. I'm talking about what
Fox promotes which is old fashioned Christian values. Those aren't the
values we all share. Some of them but not all. So what are the people
who believe in some "family values" and reject others? Your attempt to
put everyone in one basket so they back up your argument doesn't work.
> CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 19-21, 2008. "Some people
> think the government should promote traditional values in our society.
> Others think the government should not favor any particular set of
> values. Which comes closer to your own view?"
> Promote Traditional Values: 57%
> Not Favor Particular Values: 41%
Again this is a question of what they government should do. That's a
completely different question from whether you have traditional family
values or not. It's about what values should the government favor. I say
none. That's not its role but I am not for too much government
interference in our lives like you are.
>>>> So how can they not be the right wing network?
>>> Because they accurately reflect America, which is a Christian,
>>> family-values, slightly right of center nation.
>> Only in your imagination.
>
> YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING.
You mean telling the truth.
>
>>>> Like I said, I have no problem with having right wing networks
>>>> and stations. I just want them to quit pretending they are unbiased but
>>>> all their competitors are.
>>> They accurately reflect America, which is a Christian, family-values,
>>> slightly right of center nation, therefore they are NOT biased, they
>>> are fair and balanced.
>> Unbiased means unbiased.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Definitions of unbiased (adj):
> 1) not biased: fair and impartial rather than biased or prejudiced.
Fox is not impartial. It promotes a specific set of values that
conservatives call "family values". That is enough to prove Fox is not
fair and balanced.
> 2) with zero bias: in statistics, with an expected value that is equal
> to the parameter being estimated.
Doesn't apply. This is a matter of statistical mathematics.
>> Obviously you don't understand what that means.
>
> YOU are a PROVEN LIAR.
>
> Your OPINIONS are NO LONGER of value.
Nothing I have said is a lie and my opinions do matter. Your opinions
don't cancel mine out and they sure don't cancel out the facts I present.
>> Fair and balanced means you don't have a point of view. It means you have no
>> agenda and represent no one but the facts. Fox does represent right wing
>> republican values so by definition, it's biased.
>
> Wrong. Fox accurated represents America and American values.
The represent the values of right wing Christians, that's true. But that
doesn't make them "American values". The point is Fox represents a
specific point of view, which makes them biased.
> Since America IS a mostly Christian, mostly Conservative, family
> values-oriented Nation then representing America that way IS fair and
> balanced.
It certainly is not. It may be that it represents the majority view but
the majority view, the minority view, or any point of view means it's
not an impartial point of view. Fair means it doesn't represent any
specific view. It's like the old saying, there's no cheering in the
press booth. You won't understand that so I'll explain. When reporters
are covering a sporting event they are supposed to report the game and
not cheer for one side or another. Fox is in effect cheering for one
particular side. You really can't understand that?
>>> Anything left or right of them IS biased and does NOT reflect America
>>> including ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc.
>> So Fox is how everyone else is judged?
>
> Fox is the baseline. Since Fox accurately represents America they ARE
> the defacto baseline.
Why is Fox the baseline? They don't even have the most viewers. They are
the baseline because their right wing view is one you like? You're biased.
>> Fox is a right wing station not a fair and balanced one.
>
> YOU are a PROVEN LIAR.
>
> Your OPINIONS are NO LONGER of value.
I'm sure they never were for you. But who says yours are of any value?
>> The truth is the other stations are far closer to fair and balanced than Fox
>> is. You just can't see it.
>
> I can't see it because it DOES NOT EXIST AS PROVEN ABOVE.
You proved nothing except that Fox does represent a particular point of
view and that proves my point that they are not fair and balanced and
are lying when they say that.
>>>> They should just say they support the republican party.
>>> They don't.
>> Then why do they have so many republicans working for the network
>
> As a PROVEN LIAR YOu are PROHIBITED from making UNCITED Claims.
I wouldn't do that to begin with but you should apply the same rule to
yourself. Your claims are uncited.
> PROVE how many registered Republicans work at Fox or shut the fuck up.
Sorry but I'll say anything I want. 95% of the people at Fox are right
wingers and how they are registered means nothing. It's their ideology
that is right wing. I'll bet everybody there voted for Bush when he ran
and that is good enough for me to make you a republican. You voted for
Bush didn't you?
>> and why are most guests and pundits republicans?
>
> See above.
I've seen the shows myself. Hannity, O'reilly, Beck, they have tons of
right wingers on the shows and a few liberals to make it look good. When
they have a liberal on it's always the host and a right winger against
one liberal.
> You should change your name to Dead Bird.
And you should change your name to the Bat. Because you're are as blind
as a bat. You can't even see that Fox is a right wing network. You have
to be completely blind not to know that.
> As a PROVEN LIAR I now OWN your name and I will embarrass and
> humiliate your forever.
Go ahead and try all you want. So far all you've done is embarrass
yourself. Especially when you said most Americans are conservative and
put up a poll showing the opposite. That was a good one. Keep trying,
maybe you'll do better next time.
Hawke