Famous presidential lies

[Ray Keller]

Famous presidential lies

LBJ:

We were attacked (in the Gulf of Tonkin)

Nixon:

I am not a crook

GHW Bush:

Read my lips - No new taxes

Clinton:

I did not have sex with that woman... Miss Lewinski

GW Bush:

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

Obama:

I will have the most transparent administration in history.

The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.

I am focused like a laser on creating jobs.

The IRS is not targeting anyone.

It was a spontaneous riot about a movie.

If I had a son.

I will put an end to the type of politics that "breeds division, conflict
and cynicism".

You didn't build that!

I will restore trust in Government.

The Cambridge cops acted stupidly.

The public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk


It's not my red line - it is the world's red line.

Whistle blowers will be protected in my administration.

We got back every dime we used to rescue the banks and auto companies, with
interest.

I am not spying on American citizens.

ObamaCare will be good for America

You can keep your family doctor.

Premiums will be lowered by $2500.

If you like it, you can keep your current healthcare plan

It's just like shopping at Amazon

I knew nothing about "Fast and Furious" gunrunning to Mexican drug cartels

I knew nothing about IRS targeting conservative groups

I knew nothing about what happened in Benghazi

I have never spoken with my uncle from Kenya who is in the country
illegally and that was arrested and told to leave the country over 20 years
ago

And, I have never lived with that uncle. (He did.)

"I, Barrack Hussein Obama, pledge to preserve, protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States of America."

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here)_____________________________________________

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[Winston_Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller"
<Left...@desperate.com> wrote:

> _____(add you own favorite
>here)_____________________________________________

Closing the gold window will not affect the average American.
Nixon

If we don't fight Viet Nam, the whole world will fall like dominos.
Nixon/Johnson

Last night the body count exceeded the entire population of the
country.
Nixon

If we all wear WIN buttons (Whip Inflation Now) the economy Nixon
tanked will get all better.
Ford

I'm just a simple small peanut farmer.
Carter

Smaller government will solve our fiscal problems and reduce the debt.
Reagan

We have contained Saddam and made the middle east safe and secure.
Bush, the elder

I didn't know milk cost that much. And that scanner thing? Wow.
Bush, the elder

Blue is my favorite color.
Clinton

The patriot act is temporary and does not steal any freedom or privacy
from the honest citizen.
Bush, the shrub

Calling them "Liberty Fries" will fix those snail eaters.
Bush, the shrub

Six days, six weeks, I doubt six months.
Bush, the shrub

I will focus on domestic issues and not get involved in foreign
affairs. I want to be the education president.
Bush, the shrub

[Jeff M]

On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller"
> <Left...@desperate.com> wrote:
>
>> _____(add you own favorite
>> here)_____________________________________________

"Trust me." - Every politician ever.


--
�The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

[Winston_Smith]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:

>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>
>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>> here)_____________________________________________
>
>"Trust me." - Every politician ever.

Well, if we are off just presidents

Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
Johnson

Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
Romney

(If the wind blows across their butt just right, they whistle.)
Uncredited

[Steve from Colorado]

> here)_____________________________________________.

>
> _____(add you own favorite
> here)_____________________________________________
>
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>
>
>
>

"I will never give away the Panama Canal." Jimmy Carter while
campaigning for the White House. "Cuban soldiers bring stability to
Africa." Jimmy Carter as President.

--
We are not retreating, we are advancing in a different direction.
General Douglas MacArthur

[Rudy Canoza]

Not a quote. This is a fake quote.

> "Cuban soldiers bring stability to
> Africa." Jimmy Carter as President.

Also not a quote. Carter never said the statement attributed to him.



Feckless Jimmy Carter was a plenty enough bad president without putting
fake quotes in his mouth.

[Steve from Colorado]

>>>ou

>>>
>>>
>>
>> "I will never give away the Panama Canal." Jimmy Carter while
>> campaigning for the White House.
>
> Not a quote. This is a fake quote.
>
>
>
>> "Cuban soldiers bring stability to
>> Africa." Jimmy Carter as President.
>
> Also not a quote. Carter never said the statement attributed to him.
>
>
>
> Feckless Jimmy Carter was a plenty enough bad president without putting
> fake quotes in his mouth.

I personally heard Carter make the Panama Canal promise before
television cameras back when he was campaigning for President. They're
not fake quotes, they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth. That
liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama Canal, and
then he got elected and put Saul Linowitz in charge of giving away the
Canal which ended up under the control of Hutchinson-Whampoa, which is
controlled by the PLA.

I mispoke on the second quote. That was Andrew Young, who was one of
Carter's hires. My bad. Wasn't he UN Ambassador under Carter?

[Winston_Smith]

That's Rudy's stock in trade. Just deny what he doesn't want to hear.
He lives in a wonderful world.

FWIW, I too remember Carter saying it.

[Rudy Canoza]

Carter never said what you claimed.

> They're not fake quotes,

They *are* fake quotes. He never said them. You have quotation marks
around them. That is supposed to mean they are the exact words he said,
/verbatim/. He never said them. You fabricated them. That makes you a
liar.

> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.

He didn't say them.

> That liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama Canal, and

Of all the dead horses a fuckwit might flog, the transfer of the canal
to Panama seems like one of the most ill chosen. It happened more than
30 years ago, and it didn't affect the US one bit - simply not at all.

[Rudy Canoza]

The "quotes" are fake. stevie fabricated them.

Of all the fuckwitted dead issues someone might try to resurrect, the
Panama Canal seems the most fuckwitted of all. No one cares. Nothing
came of it. The canal is still in operation, just as it was under the
U.S. Transfering control of it back to Panama was the right thing to do.

[Steve from Colorado]

You can't transfer back something that the Panamanians didn't construct
in the first place. If Carter had an ounce of integrity, he would have
transferred the Canal Zone over to Colombia, the original nation that
had sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama. The Republic of Panama was
just a colonialist construct, created to grease the way for digging the
canal through the jungle.

[Steve from Colorado]

How does Jimmy Carter's lies about never giving away the Panama Canal
make me a liar?

>
>
>> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.
>
> He didn't say them.

He did say them.

>
>
>> That liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama
>> Canal, and
>
> Of all the dead horses a fuckwit might flog, the transfer of the canal
> to Panama seems like one of the most ill chosen. It happened more than
> 30 years ago, and it didn't affect the US one bit - simply not at all.
>

The year 2000 was not 30 years ago, liar.

[Steve from Colorado]

Thank you.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 1/16/2014 12:00 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
> Famous presidential lies
>

> Obama:
>
> I will have the most transparent administration in history.
>
> The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.
>

If you like your US Constitution, you can keep
your US Constitution.


--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[Jeff M]

On 1/17/2014 12:49 AM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
[snip]

>> Of all the fuckwitted dead issues someone might try to resurrect, the
>> Panama Canal seems the most fuckwitted of all. No one cares. Nothing
>> came of it. The canal is still in operation, just as it was under the
>> U.S. Transfering control of it back to Panama was the right thing to do.
>
> You can't transfer back something that the Panamanians didn't construct
> in the first place.

Most of the people who actually did the physical work of constructing
the canal in the first place weren't American. They were mostly West
Indian, Asian, and African, but the money, engineering and management
was almost all American.

> If Carter had an ounce of integrity, he would have
> transferred the Canal Zone over to Colombia, the original nation that
> had sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama. The Republic of Panama was
> just a colonialist construct, created to grease the way for digging the
> canal through the jungle.

By that logic, maybe we should have given the PCZ back to Spain, "the
original nation that had sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama." Of
course, that requires us to utterly disregard what the sovereign,
independent nation of Panama has to say in the matter and to pretend
that the PCZ was ours to do with as we pleased, instead of being subject
of international treaty. Also, since the indigenous people of the
region had it before Spain, and now, arguably, whatever remains of their
descendents have it once again, it's all good. In fact, the Panamanians
have proved to be doing an excellent job of managing the canal.


--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in

moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification

for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 1/17/2014 9:37 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> On 1/16/2014 12:00 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>> Famous presidential lies
>>
>> Obama:
>>
>> I will have the most transparent administration in history.
>>
>> The stimulus will fund shovel-ready jobs.
>>
>
> If you like your US Constitution, you can keep
> your US Constitution.
>
>

Obama's lies aren't just famous they will live forever in the history of
the greatest lies.... They will talk about his lies like they still
talk about Hercules and his epic journey and deeds.



And right next to it in subtext it will tell how he is a Socialist and
that they are all great liars.

[Rudy Canoza]

My apologies. I should have said transfer, with no preposition.

The canal is in Panama. It should be under the control of Panama. It's
irrelevant who built it.

This is just a dead issue. All the screaming and shrieking by the right
about the Panama Canal was just empty noise.

> If Carter had an ounce of integrity, he would have
> transferred the Canal Zone over to Colombia, the original nation that
> had sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama.

No.

You're an idiot. You're refighting stupid issues. No one cares about
the Panama Canal.

[Rudy Canoza]

Your "quote" is a fabrication - that means it's a lie. You claimed
Carter said a specific sentence, and he didn't.

>>
>>
>>> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.
>>
>> He didn't say them.
>
> He did say them.

He didn't say them. They're fake - not quotes at all.

>>
>>
>>> That liar got elected by claiming he'd never give away the Panama
>>> Canal, and
>>
>> Of all the dead horses a fuckwit might flog, the transfer of the canal
>> to Panama seems like one of the most ill chosen. It happened more than
>> 30 years ago, and it didn't affect the US one bit - simply not at all.
>>
>
> The year 2000 was not 30 years ago, liar.

The Torrijos–Carter Treaties are two treaties signed by the
United States and Panama in Washington, D.C., on September 7,
1977, which abrogated the Hay–Bunau-Varilla Treaty of 1903. The
treaties guaranteed that Panama would gain control of the Panama
Canal after 1999, ending the control of the canal that the U.S.
had exercised since 1903.

The treaty laid out a timetable for the transfer of the canal,
leading to a complete handover of all lands and buildings in the
canal area to Panama. The most immediate consequence of this
treaty was that the Canal Zone, as an entity, ceased to exist on
October 1, 1979. The final phase of the treaty was completed on
December 31, 1999. On this date, the United States relinquished
control of the Panama Canal and all areas in what had been the
Panama Canal Zone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties


The treaties were signed over 35 years ago, you fucking moron. Twelve
years of Republican presidency and four years of Republican control of
Congress didn't see fit to try to abrogate the treaties.

No sane person was commenting on the transfer after the treaties were
signed. No one cared. Transfering the canal zone and the canal to
Panama were the right thing to do. There has been no adverse effect on
the United States from it.

You're beating a dead horse. You're wasting your time. Stupid fucking
morons tend to do that.

[Rudy Canoza]

Carter didn't say what you quoted him as saying. He might have said
something to that effect, but he didn't say *EITHER* statement that you
cited as quotes. You made them up. You've already *admitted* to having
faked the quote about Cuban troops. You're an admitted forger.

winnie does *NOT* remember Carter saying what you quoted him as saying,
because Carter never said that. You and winnie are fuckwits.

[Ramon F Herrera]

I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
has damaged the US the most:

"Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 12:49 AM, Steve from Colorado wrote:

> You can't transfer back something that the Panamanians didn't construct
> in the first place.

In fact you can! The best evidence is that we did.

In fact, Steve, if I build a bungalow or whatever in *your* land,
chances are that you and your daughters and other family will end up
enjoying it.

> If Carter had an ounce of integrity, he would have
> transferred the Canal Zone over to Colombia, the original nation that
> had sovereignty over the Isthmus of Panama. The Republic of Panama was
> just a colonialist construct, created to grease the way for digging the
> canal through the jungle.
>

What makes you believe that we would be interested?

-Signed: República de Colombia

[Rudy Canoza]

1. No president said it.

2. It's not a lie.

[Ramon F Herrera]

Two presidents did not believe the Warren Commission Report. Members of
the WC did not believe it. The US government says it was a conspiracy.

If you buy the LN story, you must be blind, by nature or by choice.

I recommend Jeff Morley's site. He is a very responsible professional
researcher and journalist, far away from the wackos.

http://jfkfacts.org/

I myself am far from being conspiracist, don't believe in any of the
others, but the JFK murder is in a category by itself.

-Ramon

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>
>>> I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
>>> has damaged the US the most:
>>>
>>> "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".
>>
>> 1. No president said it.
>>
>> 2. It's not a lie.
>>
>
> Two presidents did not believe the Warren Commission Report.

That's nice.

> Members of the WC did not believe it.

Good for them.

> The US government says it was a conspiracy.

No, it doesn't.

> If you buy the LN story, you must be blind, by nature or by choice.

That's not an argument.

"Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
alone.

[Winston_Smith]

True to your form. Your only tactic is to deny something was said or
happened. That puts you in a lovely spot as no one can ask you to
prove a negative (your statement). You get away with maligning a
poster, come off like an expert, and can't be challenged.

True to form. When challenged on your first tactic, your only reaction
is to call names. Like that proves anything except that your mother
raised you badly.

[news13]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:37:24 -0600, Ramon F Herrera wrote:


> I myself am far from being conspiracist, don't believe in any of the
> others, but the JFK murder is in a category by itself.

Nope, just another typical fuck up and consequent cover-up, this time by
the secret service.

[Winston_Smith]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
>>>> has damaged the US the most:
>>>>
>>>> "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".
>>>
>>> 1. No president said it.

Denial

>>> 2. It's not a lie.

Denial

>> Two presidents did not believe the Warren Commission Report.
>
>That's nice.

Ignore

>> Members of the WC did not believe it.
>
>Good for them.

Ignore

>> The US government says it was a conspiracy.
>
>No, it doesn't.

Deny

Still using your patented "denial without substance" tactic.

[news13]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
> alone.

Nope there were two; the fatal shot was from an incompetent secret
service agent.

[Winston_Smith]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:37:24 -0600, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

>I myself am far from being conspiracist, don't believe in any of the
>others, but the JFK murder is in a category by itself.

You might want to read up on Lincoln. After a century and a half they
are still finding more layers to peel off that onion.

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
> alone.
>

How nice.

Good for you and Mr. Posner.

This time, I am with the majority.

-RFH

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
> alone.

If you are going to cite a Lone Nutter author, at least cite the most
recent, most complete. That would be Bugliosi:

http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-President-Kennedy/dp/0393045250

-Ramon

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 7:42 PM, news13 wrote:
> Nope there were two; the fatal shot was from an incompetent secret
> service agent.

Don't be ridiculous! Never mind the absolute lack of evidence, you just
stated that the SS prefers to be called "murderers" than "one of you was
incompetent and made a mistake".

After many years, I am in the Full Conspiracy camp (aka All of the
Above). LBJ was in it:

http://c-spanvideo.org/program/TheManW

-RFH

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 5:38 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:52:03 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>>>> FWIW, I too remember Carter saying it.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>
>> Carter didn't say what you quoted him as saying. He might have said
>> something to that effect, but he didn't say *EITHER* statement that you
>> cited as quotes. You made them up. You've already *admitted* to having
>> faked the quote about Cuban troops. You're an admitted forger.
>>
>> winnie does *NOT* remember Carter saying what you quoted him as saying,
>> because Carter never said that. You and winnie are fuckwits.
>
> True to your form. Your only tactic is to deny something was said or
> happened. That puts you in a lovely spot as no one can ask you to
> prove a negative (your statement). You get away with maligning a
> poster, come off like an expert, and can't be challenged.

Carter didn't say what that fuckwit claimed he said. It's that simple -
the "quote" is fake.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> http://jfkfacts.org/
>
> I myself am far from being conspiracist,

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! The illegal alien fuckwit cites a crackpot
conspiracy site right before saying he isn't a "conspiracist" [sic].
Too fucking funny!

Oswald was the lone gunman and acted alone - case closed.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 5:41 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
>>>>> has damaged the US the most:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".
>>>>
>>>> 1. No president said it.
>
> Denial
>
>>>> 2. It's not a lie.
>
> Denial

Yes, because no president said it. Feel free to show otherwise. You
can't, and you know you can't. No one can - no president said it.

>>> Two presidents did not believe the Warren Commission Report.
>>
>> That's nice.
>
> Ignore

Because it's irrelevant.

>>> Members of the WC did not believe it.
>>
>> Good for them.
>
> Ignore

See above.

>>> The US government says it was a conspiracy.
>>
>> No, it doesn't.
>
> Deny

Because the "US government" [sic] never said such a thing. Feel free to
show otherwise <chortle>. You know you can't.

Look, *cunt*: it's not my burden to "prove" that no president ever said
"Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone", and it's not my burden to "prove" that
the "US government" never said "it was a conspiracy" - it's *her* burden
to prove that those things were said. That's how it works, *cunt*.

And of course, we *KNOW* for absolute certain that she can't prove me
wrong, and nor can you.

FACTS:

1. No president said "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone"

2. The "US government" [sic] never said it was a conspiracy


Prove me wrong, *cunt*. Go ahead - I can wait a couple of decades.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 5:42 PM, news13 wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
>> alone.
>
> Nope there were two;

No.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 5:54 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
>> alone.
>>
>
> How nice.

It is the definitive statement on it.

One gunman, acting alone.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 6:02 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
>> alone.
>
> If you are going to cite a Lone Nutter author,

Posner's account is the definitive statement. There was one gunman, Lee
Harvey Oswald, and he acted alone. Case closed.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 6:15 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 7:42 PM, news13 wrote:
>> Nope there were two; the fatal shot was from an incompetent secret
>> service agent.
>
> Don't be ridiculous! Never mind the absolute lack of evidence,

Ha ha ha ha ha! There is *NO* verified evidence that anyone other than
Lee Harvey Oswald shot, or shot at, President Kennedy.

Case closed.

[Steve from Colorado]

On 1/17/2014 8:49 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 9:48 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:23 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/2014 9:14 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:00 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>>>>>>> Famous presidential lies

>> How does Jimmy Carter's lies about never giving away the Panama Canal
>> make me a liar?
>
> Your "quote" is a fabrication - that means it's a lie. You claimed
> Carter said a specific sentence, and he didn't.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.
>>>
>>> He didn't say them.
>>
>> He did say them.
>
> He didn't say them. They're fake - not quotes at all.

I heard him say that he'd never give away the Panama Canal when he was
campaigning for the office of President. You certainly aren't the final
authority on what Jimmy Carter did or didn't say in his political or
personal life.




--
We are not retreating, we are advancing in a different direction.
General Douglas MacArthur

[Jeff M]

Although there was probably enough evidence to criminally convict Oswald
of the assassination at the time, there is also enough, mostly
circumstantial, evidence to suggest the possibility of a larger
conspiracy. But unless sufficient additional evidence, probably of a
documentary nature, comes to light, the status of the matter must remain
undetermined.

However, I don't think the evidence would necessarily be enough to
convict Oswald today, particularly because of the highly dubious
autopsy, the rather poor forensic investigation, and the only minimally
disclosed national security and intelligence involvement in the matter.
Also, people generally tend to have psychological, if not for other
reasons, difficulty accepting that such a pathetic, banal figure such as
Oswald certainly was, could manage to murder such an important person as
the President by ambush of a moving vehicle with a rifle, instead of the
more typical close approach with a handgun.


--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 9:28 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 8:49 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2014 9:48 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:23 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 9:14 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:00 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Famous presidential lies
>>>>>>>>

>>> How does Jimmy Carter's lies about never giving away the Panama Canal
>>> make me a liar?
>>
>> Your "quote" is a fabrication - that means it's a lie. You claimed
>> Carter said a specific sentence, and he didn't.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> they're lies that came out of his toothy mouth.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't say them.
>>>
>>> He did say them.
>>
>> He didn't say them. They're fake - not quotes at all.
>
> I heard him say that he'd never give away the Panama Canal when he was
> campaigning for the office of President.

You *quoted* him saying something very specific:

"I will never give away the Panama Canal."

He never said that. It's not a quote.

> You certainly aren't the final
> authority on what Jimmy Carter did or didn't say in his political or
> personal life.

You aren't *ANY* kind of authority on it.

Anyway, you're beating a dead horse. No one cares what he said or what
he did on the Panama Canal. It's meaningless.

Why are you wasting time on this? You might as well tie your panties in
a knot over something Millard Fillmore said. What the fuck is wrong
with you?

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 9:50 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 7:50 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:37:24 -0600, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>
>>> I myself am far from being conspiracist, don't believe in any of the
>>> others, but the JFK murder is in a category by itself.
>>
>> You might want to read up on Lincoln. After a century and a half they
>> are still finding more layers to peel off that onion.
>
> Although there was probably enough evidence to criminally convict Oswald
> of the assassination at the time, there is also enough, mostly
> circumstantial, evidence to suggest the possibility of a larger
> conspiracy.

Nothing.

[Steve from Colorado]

On 1/17/2014 10:55 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 9:28 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 8:49 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:>
>> I heard him say that he'd never give away the Panama Canal when he was
>> campaigning for the office of President.
>

> You *quoted* (Carter) saying something very specific:

>
> "I will never give away the Panama Canal."
>
> He never said that. It's not a quote.
>

Sure it is. The subject heading is famous presidential lies. Carter
lied when he promised to never give away the Panama Canal while running
for the office of President, and then he got elected and immediately set
out to give away the canal and the Canal Zone. You seem very upset over
the fact that some of us remember Carter's statement that he'd never
give away the Panama Canal.

[Steve from Colorado]

On 1/16/2014 8:11 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:

>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>
>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>

>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>
> Well, if we are off just presidents
>
> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
> Johnson
>
> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
> Romney
>
> (If the wind blows across their butt just right, they whistle.)
> Uncredited
>

"I don't want American boys fighting an Asian war." LBJ

[Winston_Smith]

Yet another denial. That's all you do. Deny. Repeat as necessary.

[Winston_Smith]

<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

Sure did.

>On 1/17/2014 5:41 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
>>>>>> has damaged the US the most:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. No president said it.
>>
>> Denial
>>
>>>>> 2. It's not a lie.
>>
>> Denial
>
>Yes, because no president said it. Feel free to show otherwise. You
>can't, and you know you can't. No one can - no president said it.

Oh, boy. I was waiting for this. I expected it sooner. You set things
up so YOU don't have to support a thing. If you were asked you would
say you can't prove a negative. And that's all you do - deny what you
don't like. You can't ever be called. Nice tactic.

>Because the "US government" [sic] never said such a thing. Feel free to
>show otherwise <chortle>. You know you can't.

Chortling over your clever little trap, eh? Trouble is, no one fell
for it.

>Look, *cunt*:

Ah yes, the classic liberal in a corner sign off. Bad language and
name calling. Your mother must be so proud.

>And of course, we *KNOW* for absolute certain that she

I don't expect your mother to prove anything.

>can't prove me wrong, and nor can you.

Refuge in you can't be asked to prove a negative. Neat gimmick.

>Prove me wrong, *cunt*. Go ahead - I can wait a couple of decades.

Yup. Mom really loves the way you act.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...

>
> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
> acting alone.
>

The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
recording:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
"Ohio rock drummer Steve Barber listened to that recording repeatedly
and heard the words "Hold everything secure" at the point where the
HSCA had concluded the assassination shots were recorded. However,
those words were spoken by Sheriff Bill Decker about a minute after
the assassination, so the shots could not be when the HSCA claimed."

This is the view from the window above Oswald's.
http://twilightscapes.com/forums/IMG_8893.jpg

Zapruder and Sitzman were standing on the low wall beyond the steps
with the alleged Grassy Knoll shooter's position just beyond them. The
kill shot hit right in front of them. Sitzman saw and heard a Coke
bottle fall and loudly break, which could explain the reported fourth
bang and the puff of 'smoke'.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/tague.htm

The Zapruder film shows evidence of a hit to Connally's collar about
frame 224 and Kennedy's head before 313, ~4.9 seconds later. The
timing of the first shot that may have been deflected by a tree branch
and grazed Tague is unclear, especially if the Dictabelt shot timing
is wrong. In reconstructions many shooters could reload the rifle in
less than 3 seconds.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:42:08 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>> acting alone.
>>
>
>The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
>recording:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
>"Ohio rock drummer Steve Barber listened to that recording repeatedly
>and heard the words "Hold everything secure"

Try and read that without laughing. I couldn't.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <KlausScha...@gmx.com> wrote in message
news:an4ld9h9araodt6tr...@4ax.com...

Do you think that musicians are bad listeners?

[David R. Birch]

Many of the rock musicians I know are at least slightly deaf. Also, some
cranks heard "I buried Paul" in Beatles lyrics during the "Paul is dead"
nonsense.

How many listened to that poor quality recording and didn't hear "hold
everything secure"?

David

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:02:22 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <KlausScha...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>news:an4ld9h9araodt6tr...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:42:08 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of
>>>> the
>>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>>> acting alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
>>>recording:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
>>>"Ohio rock drummer Steve Barber listened to that recording
>>>repeatedly
>>>and heard the words "Hold everything secure"
>>
>> Try and read that without laughing. I couldn't.
>>
>
>Do you think that musicians are bad listeners?
>

Being a musician has absolutely no bearing on how well you can hear.
Being a rock musician would certainly increase the chances of being
LESS able to hear well.

One has little to do with the other.

But it was pretty funny that some old, obscure rock musician "heard"
something.

I'd run with that if I were you!

LOL.

http://data.whicdn.com/images/57783407/Listening-To-Slayer_large.png

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:02:22 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <KlausScha...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>news:an4ld9h9araodt6tr...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:42:08 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of
>>>> the
>>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>>> acting alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
>>>recording:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
>>>"Ohio rock drummer Steve Barber listened to that recording
>>>repeatedly
>>>and heard the words "Hold everything secure"
>>
>> Try and read that without laughing. I couldn't.
>>
>
>Do you think that musicians are bad listeners?
>

For more reading..............

http://www.drummagazine.com/features/post/i-cant-hear-you/
Musicians, particularly drummers, are at risk for losing their hearing
as a result of playing without proper ear protection. Sixty percent of
Rock And Rock Hall Of Fame inductees are hearing impaired.

Steve Barber playing apparently without hearing protection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZqim19fN7g

[Jim Wilkins]

"David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lbe6p...@news1.newsguy.com...

"A panel of scientists headed by Dr. Norman Ramsey issued a report in
1982 which agreed with Barber and determined that there was no
compelling evidence for gunshots on the recording and that the HSCA's
suspect impulses were recorded about a minute after the shooting
happened."

Read the "Possible Origins" section of the Dictabelt Wiki.
jsw

[Alec Fraser]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
news:vp8ld9hkc1vc95c8i...@4ax.com...

###
Or Terry Bozzio !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBvL7cyPVk

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 10:23 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 10:55 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 9:28 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 8:49 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:>
>>> I heard him say that he'd never give away the Panama Canal when he was
>>> campaigning for the office of President.
>>
>> You *quoted* (Carter) saying something very specific:
>>
>> "I will never give away the Panama Canal."
>>
>> He never said that. It's not a quote.
>>
>
> Sure it is.

It isn't.

> The subject heading is famous presidential lies.

<yawn> Does that mean that if I post in the thread

"My administration will ensure that every American household
has a color television set and a microwave oven."

John Quincy Adams - September 1824

that it necessarily means he said it?

You stupid fuckwit.

> Carter lied when he promised to never give away the Panama Canal while running
> for the office of President,

When did he say it? I want the specific date, the place, the event, and
to whom he said it.

Do you even understand what a quote is, you knuckle-dragging fuckwit?
It is something that a specific person said at a specific time and
place, and it can be authenticated that the person said it in the
*exact* words - no more and no fewer, and in *exactly* the same order -
as the words you place between quotation marks. So, *precisely* where
and when and to whom did Carter say the *exactly* the words you have in
quotation marks above?

Answer: he never did. He might have said words that you interpreted to
be to that *effect*, but I wouldn't trust your interpretation of "Mary
had a little lamb," because you are a demonstrated fuckwit - a goddamned
fucking moron.

> You seem very upset over the fact that some of us remember Carter's
> statement that he'd never give away the Panama Canal.

How can I be upset over your "remembering" something he didn't say?

What irritates me is that you think it makes a damned bit of difference.
Are you upset that you think he said something *like* it and it turned
out to be a lie, or are you upset that the canal actually was transfered
to Panamanian control? I don't give a rat's ass if Carter said
something like it or not. The actual transfer of the canal did not
affect US security one bit.

[Jim Wilkins]

"David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lbe6p...@news1.newsguy.com...

This discusses the timing of "hold everything secure" in more detail
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/odell/
"2. Both the "hold everything" and the "you want me" crosstalk
alignments demonstrate that the suspect impulses happen too late to be
the assassination gunshots."
jsw

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/16/2014 7:11 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>
>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>
>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>
> Well, if we are off just presidents
>
> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
> Johnson

Not a quote.

> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
> Romney

Not a quote.


Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
lying if they stated their beliefs.

[Rudy Canoza]

He didn't say what the fuckwit quoted him as saying.

You clearly don't understand what a quote is, either.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/17/2014 11:47 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> Rudy Canoza <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>
> Sure did.

You fuckwit.

>
>> On 1/17/2014 5:41 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2014 3:37 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/2014 3:33 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/17/2014 12:56 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I nominate this as the most egregious lie, the cruelest, the one that
>>>>>>> has damaged the US the most:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. No president said it.
>>>
>>> Denial
>>>
>>>>>> 2. It's not a lie.
>>>
>>> Denial
>>
>> Yes, because no president said it. Feel free to show otherwise. You
>> can't, and you know you can't. No one can - no president said it.
>
> Oh, boy. I was waiting for this. I expected it sooner. You set things
> up so YOU don't have to support a thing. If you were asked you would
> say you can't prove a negative.

But one *can* prove a positive...*IF* it is true.

> And that's all you do - deny what you don't like.

It has nothing to do with "liking" it or not. I know that no president
ever publicly said what the fuckwit, Pedro, is claiming.

> You can't ever be called. Nice tactic.

You idiot. Your buddy, the fuckwit Pedro, made a positive assertion:

A president said, 'Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.'

The burden of proof is *entirely* on Pedro, the fuckwit. *I* don't have
to show that no president said it; *HE* has to demonstrate that some
president *DID* say it.

I assert that no president said it. All he has to do to prove me wrong
is to show, with unambiguous and documented evidence, that at least one
president *DID* say it.

He can't...because no president said it.

>> Because the "US government" [sic] never said such a thing. Feel free to
>> show otherwise <chortle>. You know you can't.
>
> Chortling over your clever little trap, eh?

What trap?

>
>> Look, *cunt*:
>
> Ah yes, the classic liberal in a corner

I'm not a liberal; at least, I'm not a liberal in the contemporary
illiberal sense of the word. I'm not what you stupidly and wrongly
conceive to be a liberal.

>> And of course, we *KNOW* for absolute certain that she

>> can't prove me wrong, and nor can you.
>
> Refuge in you can't be asked to prove a negative.

No. Certitude that you two fuckwits can't support your positive
assertions. It has nothing to do with my not having to prove a
negative; it has *everything* to do with where the burden of proof lies.
It lies with your buddy Pedro, the fuckwit, and by implication with
you. You two clowns have to prove your positive assertion. You can't.

>> Prove me wrong, *cunt*. Go ahead - I can wait a couple of decades.
>
> Yup. Mom really loves the way you act.

Has nothing to do with my deceased mother, you fuckwit.

Come on, bitch - prove your assertion. Give Pedro a helping hand.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lbeb29$sbe$1...@dont-email.me...

Listen for yourself. It's near the end of the History section.

Whether or not I can make out "hold everything secure" depends on the
bass response of the speaker I play it with. It's quite distinct
through the Cerwin-Vegas. Barber may have simply owned a better sound
system than other listeners.
jsw

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 6:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>> acting alone.
>>
>
> The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
> recording:

Thoroughly discredited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

[David R. Birch]

Irrelevant to my point that many rock musicians have poor hearing.

David

[David R. Birch]

[David R. Birch]

[Jim Wilkins]

"David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message

news:lbefh...@news1.newsguy.com...

Your point about musicians is irrelevant to the Dictabelt's possible
validation of the Grassy Knoll Shooter theory. Barber was out of the
picture once someone else confirmed what he had discovered.
jsw

[Rudy Canoza]

The Dictabelt feint has been thoroughly discredited, beyond all hope of
resurrection. It's garbage.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message

news:a604e$52dacdc1$414e828e$13...@EVERESTKC.NET...

Did you somehow miss where I showed that?

[Winston_Smith]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:56:21 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>On 1/16/2014 7:11 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>
>>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>>
>> Well, if we are off just presidents
>>
>> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
>> Johnson
>
>Not a quote.
>
>
>> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
>> Romney
>
>Not a quote.

The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.

>Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>lying if they stated their beliefs.

Hee, hee, yeah, OK.

[Winston_Smith]

The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.

I can't wait to see what wiggle you come up with next.

[Winston_Smith]

<LaLaLaLaLaLa@nuthouse> wrote:

>I'm not a liberal; at least, I'm not a liberal in the contemporary
>illiberal sense of the word.

More in the numb-nuts troll sort of sense. I doubt an honest liberal
would care to be associated with you.

>I'm not what you stupidly and wrongly conceive to be a liberal.

How can you possibly know what my conception is?

>No. Certitude that you two fuckwits can't support your positive
>assertions.

I made no positive assertion other than your chief tactic is to deny.
A casual look at the newsgroup establishes that.

>> Yup. Mom really loves the way you act.
>
>Has nothing to do with my deceased mother, you fuckwit.

I'm sorry she is dead. At least she is spared seeing her little
precious in action. I hope she tried to raise you properly and simply
failed rather than thinking she actually brought you up this way.

>Come on, bitch - prove your assertion. Give Pedro a helping hand.

1. Why are you so demeaning of women? Who's Pedro? Who's the "bitch"?
You have a rich environment of mythical people. Do you hear voices
too?

2. What "assertion"? That your only tactic is denial? I made no other
claim.

[Jeff M]

Amusingly goofy, utterly ignorant, thoroughly disgusting, completely
insane, or, more likely, some combination thereof, and always crudely
vulgar. Count on it. Plimpton is nothing if not entirely predictable.


--
�The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:02:22 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <KlausScha...@gmx.com> wrote in message
>news:an4ld9h9araodt6tr...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:42:08 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>>news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>
>>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of
>>>> the
>>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>>> acting alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
>>>recording:
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
>>>"Ohio rock drummer Steve Barber listened to that recording
>>>repeatedly
>>>and heard the words "Hold everything secure"
>>
>> Try and read that without laughing. I couldn't.
>>
>
>Do you think that musicians are bad listeners?
>

Id have to say that those who work in noisy environments have
developed filtering into a fine art.


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is either stupid or a perpetual societal leech"

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[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 11:52 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:56:21 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/16/2014 7:11 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>>>
>>> Well, if we are off just presidents
>>>
>>> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
>>> Johnson
>>
>> Not a quote.
>>
>>
>>> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
>>> Romney
>>
>> Not a quote.
>
> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.

See below.

>> Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>> Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>> lying if they stated their beliefs.
>
> Hee, hee, yeah, OK.

Gotcha - again.

[Winston_Smith]

<LaLaLaL...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>On 1/18/2014 11:52 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:56:21 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>> Not a quote.
>>
>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>
>See below.

Where?

>
>>> Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>>> Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>>> lying if they stated their beliefs.
>>
>> Hee, hee, yeah, OK.
>
>Gotcha - again.

Thanks for admiting you are a troll and not interested in serious
discussion.

By the by, HOW did you "get me"? And what's "below"?

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 11:53 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:57:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 11:42 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:

>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:07:25 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>> <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2014 5:38 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:52:03 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW, I too remember Carter saying it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carter didn't say what you quoted him as saying. He might have said
>>>>>> something to that effect, but he didn't say *EITHER* statement that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> cited as quotes. You made them up. You've already *admitted* to
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> faked the quote about Cuban troops. You're an admitted forger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> winnie does *NOT* remember Carter saying what you quoted him as
>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>> because Carter never said that. You and winnie are fuckwits.
>>>>>
>>>>> True to your form. Your only tactic is to deny something was said or
>>>>> happened. That puts you in a lovely spot as no one can ask you to
>>>>> prove a negative (your statement). You get away with maligning a
>>>>> poster, come off like an expert, and can't be challenged.
>>>>
>>>> Carter didn't say what that fuckwit claimed he said. It's that simple -
>>>> the "quote" is fake.
>>>

>>> Yet another denial. That's all you do. Deny. Repeat as necessary.
>>
>> He didn't say what the fuckwit quoted him as saying.
>>
>> You clearly don't understand what a quote is, either.
>
> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.

Change of subject noted and scorned.

Your pal the fuckwit, steve, gave a *quote* as an instance of a
presidential lie. And all this time, you've been pissing your little
Depends over the issue of whether or not a president said those words,
and who has the burden of proof. I realize now that you are conceding
you lost on that issue, and so that's why you changed the subject. And
you lost *again*, thanks to your having sided with that fuckwit, steve.

You're not very good at this. You know that, don't you? I think you do.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 12:05 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:

>> I'm not a liberal; at least, I'm not a liberal in the contemporary

>> illiberal sense of the word. I'm not what you stupidly and wrongly

>> conceive to be a liberal.
>

> More in the numb-nuts troll sort of sense.

I'm not in any sense a contemporary liberal.

>
>> I'm not what you stupidly and wrongly conceive to be a liberal.
>
> How can you possibly know what my conception is?

You reveal it.

>> No. Certitude that you two fuckwits can't support your positive
>> assertions.
>
> I made no positive assertion other than

Liar.

>
>>> Yup. Mom really loves the way you act.
>>
>> Has nothing to do with my deceased mother, you fuckwit.
>
> I'm sorry she is dead.

She was in ill health for a long time. It was her time to go.

>> Come on, bitch - prove your assertion. Give Pedro a helping hand.
>
> 1. Why are you so demeaning of women?

Attempt to change the subject noted and dismissed.


> Who's Pedro?

Your fuckwitted pal - the one who claimed that some president said "Lee
Harvey Oswald acted alone"; the one who put that in quotation marks and
thereby is claiming that some president said those exact words. That's
who Pedro is, you bitch.

> Who's the "bitch"?

You.


> 2. What "assertion"?

Pedro's - the one you're now defending.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 12:05 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 1/18/2014 1:53 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:57:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 11:42 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Yet another denial. That's all you do. Deny. Repeat as necessary.
>>>
>>> He didn't say what the fuckwit quoted him as saying.
>>>
>>> You clearly don't understand what a quote is, either.
>>
>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>>
>> I can't wait to see what wiggle you come up with next.
>

> I'm amusingly goofy, utterly ignorant, thoroughly disgusting, completely

> insane, or, more likely, some combination thereof

You're all of those, jeffy m - all of those in addition to being a
disgraced *disbarred* ex-lawyer with a civil disability that prevents
you from practicing law.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 3:45 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
> On 1/18/2014 3:41 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/18/2014 11:52 AM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:56:21 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>>> On 1/16/2014 7:11 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:

>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if we are off just presidents
>>>>>
>>>>> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
>>>>> Johnson
>>>>
>>>> Not a quote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
>>>>> Romney
>>>>

>>>> Not a quote.
>>>
>>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>>
>> See below.
>
> Where?

You already saw "where", and commented.

>>
>>>> Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>>>> Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>>>> lying if they stated their beliefs.
>>>
>>> Hee, hee, yeah, OK.
>>
>> Gotcha - again.
>
> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and

No. No such admission.

I got you, bitch. I got my hand - I only need one - around your scrawny
scrofulous neck and throttled you.

[Jeff M]

On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
[snip]

>> Gotcha - again.
>
> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and not interested in serious
> discussion.

Actually, Plimpton is *incapable* of serious discussion, due to his
quite obvious mental health and personality disorders.

> By the by, HOW did you "get me"? And what's "below"?

He got you only through the irrational delusions that Plimpton
substitutes for reasoned and intelligent cognition, and there's nothing
"below" Plimpton; he's as low as anyone can get. It's typical of him to
claim some sort of victory for himself after he's received a thorough
online thrashing. It may seem to some he's just trying to find cover
for his humiliation and punctured ego, but I think he's just too addled
by alcoholic dementia to even be aware of just how badly, and how
entertainingly, he keeps losing these little tiffs over his nonsensical
spew.

[Winston_Smith]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:57:47 -0800, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>On 1/18/2014 3:45 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>> On 1/18/2014 3:41 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>> See below.
>>
>> Where?
>
>You already saw "where", and commented.

Point it out instead of pretending it's real.

>>>>> Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>>>>> Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>>>>> lying if they stated their beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Hee, hee, yeah, OK.
>>>
>>> Gotcha - again.
>>
>> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and
>
>No. No such admission.
>
>I got you, bitch.

Why do you denigrate women so much? Do you hate your mother? Were you
dumped? Are your gay? Perhaps you had a gender change and the
operation went badly.

And just how did you "get me"? Seems you keep ducking that question.

>I got my hand - I only need one - around your scrawny
>scrofulous neck and throttled you.

If you say so but to the rational folks here, it seems it's only in
your (alleged) mind since you refuse to point out how.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:06 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Gotcha - again.
>>
>> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and not interested in serious
>> discussion.
>

> Actually, Canoza *kills* leftists and other morons in serious discussion, due to his

Perspicacity.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:09 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:57:47 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>> On 1/18/2014 3:45 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>>> On 1/18/2014 3:41 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>>> On 1/18/2014 11:52 AM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:56:21 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 7:11 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:52:43 -0600, Jeff M wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 11:48 AM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:00:15 -0700, "Ray Keller" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _____(add you own favorite
>>>>>>>>>> here)_____________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trust me." - Every politician ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if we are off just presidents
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hounds love to be picked up by the ears.
>>>>>>> Johnson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a quote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dogs love to travel strapped to the roof of cars.
>>>>>>> Romney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a quote.
>>>>>
>>>>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>>>>

>>>> See below.
>>>
>>> Where?
>>
>> You already saw "where", and commented.
>
> Point it out

I did.

>>>>>> Even if they were quotes, they aren't necessarily lies. Johnson and
>>>>>> Romney might well have believed them to be true, so they wouldn't be
>>>>>> lying if they stated their beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hee, hee, yeah, OK.
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha - again.
>>>
>>> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and
>>
>> No. No such admission.
>>
>> I got you, bitch.
>
> Why do you denigrate women

Invalid complex question - dismissed.

Why do you beat your wife?

> And just how did you "get me"?

See below.

>> I got my hand - I only need one - around your scrawny
>> scrofulous neck and throttled you.
>
> If you say so but

It's so.

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 11:14 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 5:54 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:

>> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
>>> alone.
>>>
>>

>> How nice.
>
> It is the definitive statement on it.
>
> One gunman, acting alone.
>

We can easily tell that you are from the Evolution Denial side, and the
anti-education crowd.

The better the school, the more Liberal.

-Ramon

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:13 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 11:14 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 5:54 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>>> acting
>>>> alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How nice.
>>
>> It is the definitive statement on it.
>>
>> One gunman, acting alone.
>>
>
> We can easily tell that you are from the Evolution Denial side, and the

Your irrational conspiracy beliefs have been shown to be unfounded.

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/17/2014 11:15 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> On 1/17/2014 6:02 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman, acting
>>> alone.
>>

>> If you are going to cite a Lone Nutter author,
>
> Posner's account is the definitive statement. There was one gunman, Lee
> Harvey Oswald, and he acted alone. Case closed.
>

Has that strategy ever worked for you?

You come across as a spoiled brat, who always was told "yes, dear, you
are right! (and pretty)".

What they did to you was very sad.

-Ramon The Educated and Hence Skeptical

[Winston_Smith]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:46:16 -0800, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>On 1/18/2014 11:53 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:57:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>> He didn't say what the fuckwit quoted him as saying.
>>> You clearly don't understand what a quote is, either.
>>
>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>
>Change of subject noted and scorned.

Yes. Yours. The subject line says "lies". YOU attempted to change it
to "quotes".

>And all this time, you've been pissing your little
>Depends over the issue of whether or not a president said those words,
>and who has the burden of proof.

No. I merely pointed out that you never contribute anything of
substance to threads. By the simple tactic of only denying.

[Winston_Smith]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:12:38 -0800, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>I did.

Well then, you will have to clean it up.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:16 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/17/2014 11:15 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/17/2014 6:02 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2014 6:54 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>>> acting
>>>> alone.
>>>
>>> If you are going to cite a Lone Nutter author,
>>
>> Posner's account is the definitive statement. There was one gunman, Lee
>> Harvey Oswald, and he acted alone. Case closed.
>>
>
> Has that strategy ever worked for you?

Always. Citing the definitive statement always works for me.

> You come across as a spoiled brat, who

You come across as a self-absorbed twat who grossly overestimates his
ability, and who is irrationally prone to belief in nonsensical
conspiracy theories.

[Winston_Smith]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:06:19 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>[snip]
>>> Gotcha - again.
>>
>> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and not interested in serious
>> discussion.
>
>Actually, Plimpton is *incapable* of serious discussion, due to his
>quite obvious mental health and personality disorders.
>
>> By the by, HOW did you "get me"? And what's "below"?
>
>He got you only through the irrational delusions that Plimpton
>substitutes for reasoned and intelligent cognition, and there's nothing
>"below" Plimpton; he's as low as anyone can get. It's typical of him to
>claim some sort of victory for himself after he's received a thorough
>online thrashing. It may seem to some he's just trying to find cover
>for his humiliation and punctured ego, but I think he's just too addled
>by alcoholic dementia to even be aware of just how badly, and how
>entertainingly, he keeps losing these little tiffs over his nonsensical
>spew.

Agreed. His only value, and it's diminishingly small, is
entertainment. It's fun to see how he denies simple reality and then
tries to wiggle out of his manifold errors. Besides, the batteries in
my laser pointer are dead so I can't tease the cats. He's the next
best thing. I'd try printing out his posts and putting them in the
compost barrel but I'm afraid he will poison the garden.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:18 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:46:16 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>> On 1/18/2014 11:53 AM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:57:08 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>>> On 1/17/2014 11:42 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:07:25 -0800, Rudy Canoza
>>>>> <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/17/2014 5:38 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:52:03 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 10:53 PM, Steve from Colorado wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On 1/16/2014 11:10 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I too remember Carter saying it.

See, Bitchston? Right here: we were talking about quotes. Now
continue on below.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carter didn't say what you quoted him as saying. He might have said
>>>>>>>> something to that effect, but he didn't say *EITHER* statement that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> cited as quotes. You made them up. You've already *admitted* to
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> faked the quote about Cuban troops. You're an admitted forger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> winnie does *NOT* remember Carter saying what you quoted him as
>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>> because Carter never said that. You and winnie are fuckwits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True to your form. Your only tactic is to deny something was said or
>>>>>>> happened. That puts you in a lovely spot as no one can ask you to
>>>>>>> prove a negative (your statement). You get away with maligning a
>>>>>>> poster, come off like an expert, and can't be challenged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carter didn't say what that fuckwit claimed he said. It's that
>>>>>> simple -
>>>>>> the "quote" is fake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet another denial. That's all you do. Deny. Repeat as necessary.
>>>>

>>>> He didn't say what the fuckwit quoted him as saying.
>>>>
>>>> You clearly don't understand what a quote is, either.
>>>
>>> The subject of the thread is lies, not quotes.
>>
>> Change of subject noted and scorned.


>
> Yes. Yours.

No. Yours. Regardless of what the subject line says, you and I were
talking about quotes. I beat your ass on it, and so you suddenly
changed direction and started yammering about lies. Then I beat your
ass on that one, too.

>
>> And all this time, you've been pissing your little
>> Depends over the issue of whether or not a president said those words,
>> and who has the burden of proof.
>
> No.

Yes.


> I merely pointed out

No. You didn't "point out" anything. You bloviated, you pompous old fuck.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:20 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:12:38 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>> On 1/18/2014 4:09 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

> Well then,

Well then, read it, Bitchston.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:24 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:06:19 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
> wrote:
>

>> On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>> [snip]
>>>> Gotcha - again.
>>>
>>> Thanks for admiting you are a troll and not interested in serious
>>> discussion.
>>
>> Actually, Plimpton is *incapable* of serious discussion, due to his
>> quite obvious mental health and personality disorders.
>>
>>> By the by, HOW did you "get me"? And what's "below"?
>>
>> He got you
>

> Agreed.

Good.

[Ramon F Herrera]

On 1/18/2014 8:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...

>>
>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>> acting alone.
>>
>

> The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
> recording:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy

I am sorry, my fellow CT, but the Dictabelt's purpose was one only: To
create the HSCA. Why rely in such debatable, flimsy evidence when we
have other so much better and near incontrovertible?

(1) The "back and to the left" snap caused by transfer of momentum has
some 98%+ of mathematical possibility compared with the 2 ridiculous,
risible competing alternatives.

Note: An excellent test of science ignorance by LNs is this: which of
the two theories do you support: the absurd one or the even more absurd?

[the neurological damage aka neuron wiring gone wild and the jet effect
are, in a word, IMPOSSIBLE]

(2) The Ruby excuses. "My lawyer told me to say that about Jackie", "I
did it to show that we Jews are not cowards" - Yeah, riiiiiight.

(3) Both Lee and Jack Ruby confessed. Video is widely available.

(4) The government has been hiding something, and only one piece
possibly fits in the jigsaw puzzle: One and only one.

As a Liberal, I am sad to acknowledge that LBJ was in it, to the wilt.

-Ramon

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:34 PM, Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On 1/18/2014 8:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>> news:22dcb$52d9d189$414e828e$12...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>
>>> "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner - the definitive examination of the
>>> assassination and all the goofy conspiracy theories. One gunman,
>>> acting alone.
>>>
>>
>> The best hard evidence for a second shooter is the Dictabelt
>> recording:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictabelt_evidence_relating_to_the_assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy
>>
>
> I am sorry, my fellow CT, but the Dictabelt's purpose was one only: To
> create the HSCA. Why rely in such debatable, flimsy evidence when we
> have other so much better and near incontrovertible?

Ha ha ha ha ha! "near incontrovertible" - it has *ALL* been completely
and irrevocably controverted, you fucking Pedro.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 4:34 PM, Pedro F Herrera wrote:

>
> As a Liberal,

You are not a liberal. You are an illiberal leftist.

> I am sad to acknowledge that LBJ was in it, to the wilt.

The "wilt"? You stupid fucking Pedro - back to ESL with you.

[Jeff M]

Yep, he's a bit like a grisly car crash; he's both tragic and
disgusting, but you still find yourself looking on with both revulsion
and fascination.

It's hard to imagine what factors may have led to such a base and
loathsome character, bellicose ignorance, constant rage, irrationality
and emotionalism, and other mental health and personality disorders that
so frequently manifest themselves in his posts. But it is fun to
speculate, as others have indicated.

A history of alcohol abuse would largely explain the irrationality,
illogic, cognitive impairment and the emotional lability apparent in his
posts, but not his low and vile character or his loathsome and obnoxious
personality. His blatant misogyny is easy enough to understand, though.
It is readily attributable to his basic personality, which must be the
most effective form of birth control and female repellant ever known.

His loathsome and obnoxious personality likewise virtually guarantees
that Plimpton never had any friends, any family, any sort of meaningful
career, any higher education, or enjoyed any success in life. Since
these all involve dealing with and cooperating with other people at some
level, and often being evaluated by them, we know that Plimpton couldn't
manage it. This is evidenced by the envy and resentment he reveals
toward successful achievers, his efforts to appear as if he were one of
them (remember him referring to himself as "professor" Plimpton?), as
well as by the singularly obvious fact that no one could endure his
odious presence for very long.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 5:12 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 1/18/2014 6:24 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:06:19 -0600, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>> Gotcha - again.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>

>>> Actually, Canoza *kills* leftists and other morons in serious discussion, due to his perspicacity

>>>
>>>> By the by, HOW did you "get me"?
>>>

>>> He got you
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> Yep

Yep. You two can stop agreeing with one another and take it to a
private room now.

[Winston_Smith]

<LaLaLaLaLaLa@the_home.con> wrote:

>No. Yours. Regardless of what the subject line says, you and I were
>talking about quotes.

You may have been. It's really hard to tell WHAT you are babbling
about most of the time. The rest of the people in this thread were
talking about just what the subject line says.

Besides your other many other shortcomings, I'll add lack of reading
comprehension to the very long list.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/18/2014 5:45 PM, Bitchston_Smith lied:

>> No. Yours. Regardless of what the subject line says, you and I were

>> talking about quotes. I beat your ass on it, and so you suddenly
>> changed direction and started yammering about lies. Then I beat your
>> ass on that one, too.
>

> You may have been.

I still am.