Open Pocketing
Joe788
open edge characteristic. This allows any toolpath you apply to adopt
to the open edge automatically so that it's automatically milled with
a step over.
In Mastercam this option doesn't exist!
In DP Technology this option is available.
In Gibbscam this option is available.
Is this option available in your CADCAM system. If so what is the name
of it.
"D"
Open pocketing has been in M/C since V9
Joe788
Floridiots.
I specifically state:
"In better CADCAM systems you can mark wireframe geometry as having an
open edge characteristic. This allows any toolpath you apply to adopt
to the open edge automatically so that it's automatically milled with
a step over."
This Floridiot posts a specialized toolpath in Mastercam called
Dynamic Milling which has jack sit to do with whether Mastercam can
mark wireframe geometry as having an open edge characteristic.
When you contour in Mastercam or when you use any of the older
standard pocketing toolpaths in Mastercam besides "open pocket", which
is a shit toolpath, Mastercam has no clue what an open edge is.
Suggest you go back to pimping your ho, you fucking loser.
DP Esprit has been able to mark wireframe geometry as having an open
edge characteristic for many years.
Gibbscam has been able to mark wireframe geometry as having an open
edge characteristic for many years.
Mastercam has no ability to do this.
Anyone else with a brain and using another CADCAM system care to
comment on other systems that can do what I've clearly stated above
besides this fucking idiot, loser who can barely comprehend the
simplest concepts.
Joe788
> Open pocketing has been in M/C since V9
No shit, sherlock. What the fuck does that have to do with marking
wireframe geometry as having an open edge characteristic so any and
all toolpaths applied can take advantage of it rather than just some
toolpaths or specialized toolpaths?
BTW, Mastercam's open pocketing toolpath sucks / is a limited toolpath
often giving shit results.
Hope this helped.
"D"
Why, specifically does it suck?
What "shit results" are you referring to, specifically?
It gets the pocket done, is there something else it sould be doing?
"D"
Joe788
> Why, specifically does it suck?
> What "shit results" are you referring to, specifically?
> It gets the pocket done, is there something else it sould be doing?
>
> "D"
Do you think it's better to build your intelligence into the geometry
or rely on a toolpath to figure it out for you? Which method gives the
user more control?
What if we decide to change the Pocket to a Contour Toolpath?
Which is faster, creating what can amount to lots of extra geometry or
right clicking and setting the geometry to an "open edge"?
Thanks for playing along. It's appreciated. Give the above some
thought. I spend a good deal of time thinking about shit like this and
what the right approach really is.
Zymrgy
> I spend a good deal of time thinking about shit like this and
> what the right approach really is.
Translation - Yoni has no life whatsoever
"D"
> On Jan 19, 4:27 am, "\"D\"" <reidmach...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Why, specifically does it suck?
> > What "shit results" are you referring to, specifically?
> > It gets the pocket done, is there something else it sould be doing?
>
> > "D"
>
> Do you think it's better to build your intelligence into the geometry
> or rely on a toolpath to figure it out for you? Which method gives the
> user more control?
I cannot "build" intelligence into the geometry, it is what it is,
based on the part requirements, model provided, etc.
I can add geometry to facillitate the toolpath required to complete
the pocket area that I am dealing with, if needed.
What, specifically, kind of additional "user control" are you
referring to?
I dont personally spend a whole lot of thought on that, my thought
process revolves around "getting in and getting out", completing the
programming of that pocket or feature, and moving on to the next area
of the part.
> What if we decide to change the Pocket to a Contour Toolpath?
Why?
If it is neccessary to add a contour path to the part, say, for an
additional finish pass, copying the pocketing op and changing it to a
contour path takes a few seconds, or, adding an additional pass in the
"finishing" dialog box, as I did that last night in X4,
and, I am just starting to play with X4.
>
> Which is faster, creating what can amount to lots of extra geometry or
> right clicking and setting the geometry to an "open edge"?
I dont know how Gibbs does it, nor do I know how DP does it, my focus
is on the system I have spent my money on.
I only create extra geometry when it is nessesary, most of the time,
it is not required.
"Chain", "Partial", gives me the ability to make open pockets in M/C,
as well as selecting "open pockets" in the toolpath parameters page
The "right click" feature you refer to is not in M/C, thus not in my
"toolbox", I can't use tools I dont have.
A Pontiac has different features than a Ford, that has different
features than a Volvo, etc.
My job is to get the program done and to the machine as quickly and
efficiently as possible, this is not a slam, rather, the reality of
the daily grind.
>
> Thanks for playing along. It's appreciated. Give the above some
> thought. I spend a good deal of time thinking about shit like this and
> what the right approach really is.
I will play along as long as we keep it on topic and somewhat
professional, make it personal, and I will not play along,
too many parts need to be made to be wasting time in the kindergarten
sandbox.
"D"
Joe788
Don't forget, Jon has already revised this Jihad. He signed up with a
fake name at emastercam, and then lied, claiming "my other cam
software can blah blah blah, why can't Mastercam do blah blah blah?"
When he was quickly rebuffed by people who actually know how to use
Mastercam, he vanished, never to post with that name again.
Now he's carefully revised the Jihad, after scouring long and hard for
something that Mastercam can do, but it's not handled the way he
likes. The first time around, he actually had no idea that Mastercam
could cut an open pocket at all.
Standard protocol for an insane CAD Jihadist with literally no social
life or social skills.
Cliff
I note you have again found something simple you have no clues about.
I do so enjoy your posts.
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Cliff
Joe788
Ask Jon to specifically describe the way he attempts to machine an
open pocket in Mastercam. If it's half as pathetic as his "method" for
chaining, it will provide laughter for years to come.
"Hey Slimy, we're still transforming geometry and breaking at
intersections as this is what our shop has done for many years" - Jon
Banquer
"Joe doesn't like how I and our other programmer prepare geometry for
chaining in MasterCAM." - Jon Banquer
Prepare geometry for chaining? LOL!
Cliff
Or ask him how he tries to drill holes.
ANY user with a day's actual use can easily do it but not
yonnie bonkers ....
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Cliff
vinny
"Joe788" <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:048ec176-4067-4797...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Truly amazing how low the reading comprehension skills are of some
> Floridiots.
>
> I specifically state:
>
> "In better CADCAM systems you can mark wireframe geometry as having an
> open edge characteristic. This allows any toolpath you apply to adopt
> to the open edge automatically so that it's automatically milled with
> a step over."
>
> This Floridiot posts a specialized toolpath in Mastercam called
> Dynamic Milling which has jack sit to do with whether Mastercam can
> mark wireframe geometry as having an open edge characteristic.
>
> When you contour in Mastercam or when you use any of the older
> standard pocketing toolpaths in Mastercam besides "open pocket", which
> is a shit toolpath, Mastercam has no clue what an open edge is.
Are we talking wireframe programming?
Ok, lets see if I can comprehend your latest rant....
You have wireframe geometry, and one of the things you are cutting is an
open pocket? AND..
you want to spend time picking geometry, and then "marking" that geometry as
"open" so when you apply toolpaths it does something special?
................Your a moron.
Lets look at the time involved, because that's what we do as machinists, we
sell time.
You take the time to select the geometry in question, proberbly an edge. And
then somehow mark it as open, or some dumbshit.
How about this, after you picked the geometry, in mastercam hit transform,
ctrl T maybe? And copy it a distance with join. Now you have a closed
pocket, and it took the same exact amount of time as marking the selected
geometry as open or whatever. And now YOUR in control, not a pocket routine.
>
> Suggest you go back to pimping your ho, you fucking loser.
What? Pimpin my hoe? I'm married dumbass? WTF are you even talking about?
>
> DP Esprit has been able to mark wireframe geometry as having an open
> edge characteristic for many years.
How many years?
I used esprit x, and esprit 2000-2003. IT SUCKED ASS! Who cares what it
did, it sucked.
>
> Gibbscam has been able to mark wireframe geometry as having an open
> edge characteristic for many years.
Gibbscam? Is that real cam software or like margerine is to butter?
>
> Mastercam has no ability to do this.
It doesn't need the ability to do that. Jeesh. It's stupid.
>
> Anyone else with a brain and using another CADCAM system care to
> comment on other systems that can do what I've clearly stated above
> besides this fucking idiot, loser who can barely comprehend the
> simplest concepts.
First of all fadel boi, you need to just run the program given to you and
stfu.
Second of all, screw mastercam, and screw machining pockets, and screw
drilling holes for that matter. Post about something interesting for a
change or just post to rec.craft.metalworking only.
Your a broken record, you have zip for skills and can't even drill a hole
unless the cam system does it for you. Truth is your not a programmer, your
just some moron with a cracked version of mastercam at home, trying to show
your boss you can program by solving all the problems the real programmer at
your job has, drilling, pockets, etc...
So you come to this newsgroup, flames on hoping someone will show you how
friggen stupid you are, giving you the know how to go to work and show your
boss that your da man! Unfortunitely, there's no magic buttons, all the
advice given here on cad/cam requires some skills to take advantage of.
Why not sell the stupid pile of useless inspection equipment, delete the
cam system off your comp at home and stop torturing yourself. Learn the
darex ya dumbass, live at the level the GOOD Lord limited you to.
As for your dumbass programming dept...if they really have UG....tell them
to sell it.
Joe788
> I cannot "build" intelligence into the geometry, it is what it is,
> based on the part requirements, model provided, etc.
Until you can get over this severe limitation I don't see much chance
of any productive discussion on this subject. Geometry isn't what it
is if you have a much more intelligent CAM system than Mastercam is.
There is a reason many / better Mastercam users on e-Mastercam use
SolidWorks to design their fixtures and do all of their modeling as
well as preparing parts they receive to machine in Solidworks.
Unfortunately you can't grasp why. Perhaps you should read this blog
to see if you can understand why Lars does almost no modeling in
Mastercam and is so heavily dependent on SolidWorks. Lars imparts a
good deal of intelligence into the fixtures he does. I'm sure he also
imparts intelligence into parts in SolidWorks and then imports the
parts into Mastercam to machine.
The same would apply to many shops in San Diego, one of whom dumped 5
seats of Mastercam (and I mean dumped they were so frustrated) and
went with OpenMind Hypermill running inside of SolidWorks.
Not much sense in continuing until you can grasp the basics of what
Mastercam so badly lacks and what many / better Mastercam users do to
overcome Mastercam's severe limitations.
Cliff
>On Jan 19, 2:47�pm, "\"D\"" <reidmach...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I cannot "build" intelligence into the geometry, it is what it is,
>> based on the part requirements, model provided, etc.
>
>Until you can get over this severe limitation
Such as a part design being a part design.
>I don't see much chance
>of any productive discussion on this subject.
Is it the drooling & gibbering problems again?
>Geometry isn't what it is
Why not?
Have you ever considered solids?
>if you have a much more intelligent CAM system than Mastercam is.
What part of "CAM" seems unclear to you?
>There is a reason many / better Mastercam users on e-Mastercam use
>SolidWorks to design their fixtures and do all of their modeling
Perhaps they are doing design & modeling.
Have you ever considered learning about CAD, CAD/CAM or CAM?
>as
>well as preparing parts they receive to machine in Solidworks.
You want to paint them green & purple?
>Unfortunately you can't grasp why.
Did you lose somethng in your pockets again?
Perhaps a hand or two?
>Perhaps you should read this blog
>to see if you can understand why Lars does almost no modeling in
>Mastercam
Why should he?
>and is so heavily dependent on SolidWorks. Lars imparts a
>good deal of intelligence into the fixtures he does.
Does they drool & gibber?
>I'm sure
Why?
>he also
>imparts intelligence into parts in SolidWorks and then imports the
>parts into Mastercam to machine.
>
>http://cadcamstuff.com/
He mentions neither you nor your bog.
>
>The same would apply to many shops in San Diego, one of whom dumped 5
>seats of Mastercam (and I mean dumped they were so frustrated) and
>went with OpenMind Hypermill running inside of SolidWorks.
How are your new 100+ seats of Unigraphcs?
>Not much sense in continuing until you can grasp the basics of what
>Mastercam so badly lacks and what many / better Mastercam users do to
>overcome Mastercam's severe limitations.
They can drill holes?
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Cliff
"D"
Wow!, we were discussing open pocketing in Mastercam, now you pick
apart an analogy I make about the geometry?
The geometry IS the controlling factor in the part that you are
making, you didnt say we were designing the part, you said we were
machining the part!!!
Maybe today you wear a blue skirt, instead of the red one you wore
yesterday!!
One more time Jon, someone actually tries to have a focused, specific
dialog with you, and, YOU turn it into something it is not, just to
try to make yourself look intelligent, AND take a few potshots at the
same time, pathetic, really pathetic.
Damm shame, you really dont get it, do you?
I tried, again, to no avail, no need to waste my time and experience
on this kindergarten B/S.
Later,
"D"
Joe788
> The geometry IS the controlling factor in the part that you are
> making, you didnt say we were designing the part, you said we were
> machining the part!!!
That's right Darrell I did say that. Unfortunately you're not
intelligent enough to see that adding an open edge characteristic to
wireframe geometry is imparting intelligence to existing geometry
because your head is shoved so far up your ass that no matter how many
ways I try and point out why this is a better approach than Mastercam
takes you still don't get it.
> Maybe today you wear a blue skirt, instead of the red one you wore
> yesterday!!
Not my fantasy Darrell but if it's yours I guess that's fine. Not sure
why you feel the need to share this in this thread.
> One more time Jon, someone actually tries to have a focused, specific
> dialog with you, and, YOU turn it into something it is not, just to
> try to make yourself look intelligent, AND take a few potshots at the
> same time, pathetic, really pathetic.
The ONLY thing that's pathetic is how limited your mind is and how
little work you are willing to do to figure out what so many others
already have figured out when it comes to the value of imparting
intelligence into wireframe geometry... both existing and newly
created wireframe geometry.
> Damm shame, you really dont get it, do you?
Damn shame you don't have a clue but by now I'm use to this FACT.
> I tried, again, to no avail, no need to waste my time and experience
> on this kindergarten B/S.
Correct you are in kindergarten with the limited mentality you have
and the resulting B.S. you spew because you can't and won't learn.
Suggest you read the Jon Banquer blog more. It might help you.
"D"
Let me make this REALLY SIMPLE for
you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Nah, already wasted too much time.
Have a nice life
Joe788
Haha!! Jon's new buzzword is clearly "adding intelligence" to stuff.
I'd really like to see Jon add some intelligence to this topic, by
explaining VERY SPECIFICALLY how he machines an open pocket in
Mastercam.
He absolutely will not explain it. This is identical to his tombstone
machining Jihad from a few years back. He bleated on and on about how
Mastercam was no good for "tombstone machining", and continuously
pointed to pretty pictures from the HSMworks website, as some sort of
"proof" of how great HSMworks is at "tombstone machining." Many of us
continually requested that Jon elaborate on his method for "tombstone
machining" in Mastercam. The answer was sure to be entertaining, since
he's never programmed anything with a tombstone before. Of course, he
never, ever answered the question, and he's still never machined
anything on a tombstone before.
Just more clueless, uninformed, buzzword riddled Jihads from Jonny
Press Release. "Adding intelligence" is likely a buzzword from the
Esprit website somewhere.
Cliff
He never grasps even simple concepts and it's clear he still
has no clues how to actually use MasterCAM.
Even for simple things.
He has a 2D "mind", at best.
And never show him solids.
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Cliff
Cliff
>This is identical to his tombstone
>machining Jihad from a few years back. He bleated on and on about how
>Mastercam was no good for "tombstone machining", and continuously
>pointed to pretty pictures from the HSMworks website, as some sort of
>"proof" of how great HSMworks is at "tombstone machining." Many of us
>continually requested that Jon elaborate on his method for "tombstone
>machining" in Mastercam. The answer was sure to be entertaining, since
>he's never programmed anything with a tombstone before. Of course, he
>never, ever answered the question, and he's still never machined
>anything on a tombstone before.
And after wasting all that time & scrapping all those parts
the shop's owner caught on to his endless clueless BS ....
I expect all the other employees knew in a day or two.
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Cliff
Joe788
Carroll, Bottlebitch, James Meyette, etc. can do the innuendo as they
dance and sing but when its all said and done they haven't told you a
thing.
Let us not forget since Cliffy Huprich's arrival crap is king!
Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
intelligence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related
Cliff
What, if anything, are you trying to tell us??
DID YOU FIND OUT HOW TO DRILL HOLES YET?
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Cliff
Cliff
>Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
>geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
>intelligence:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related
What, *exactly*, does it show?
WHY?
And what has it to do with "Open Pocketing"?
I see NO pockets at all.
Pretty bad video too.
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Cliff
Joe788
Jon, why didn't you take up the challenge I posted earlier? See below,
in case you missed it the first time.
Jon's new buzzword is clearly "adding intelligence" to stuff.
I'd really like to see Jon add some intelligence to this topic, by
explaining VERY SPECIFICALLY how he machines an open pocket in
Mastercam.
He absolutely will not explain it. This is identical to his tombstone
machining Jihad from a few years back. He bleated on and on about how
Mastercam was no good for "tombstone machining", and continuously
pointed to pretty pictures from the HSMworks website, as some sort of
"proof" of how great HSMworks is at "tombstone machining." Many of us
continually requested that Jon elaborate on his method for "tombstone
machining" in Mastercam. The answer was sure to be entertaining, since
he's never programmed anything with a tombstone before. Of course, he
never, ever answered the question, and he's still never machined
anything on a tombstone before.
Just more clueless, uninformed, buzzword riddled Jihads from Jonny
Half-nutz
> Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
> geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
> intelligence:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related
Jonnie Bonkers,
Have you tried to post to any other forum lately?
Do you understand that even IF you could forge an IP address, you
would still be a crazy, ranting, nutter?
Changing your IP address, or changing your name does not change your
insanity, and you get banned as soon as you pop your head in anyplace.
Tell us again how changing an IP address will make you appear to be
sane.
We need a good laugh.
Cliff
>On Jan 25, 11:23�pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is VoluMill showing how the user adds intelligence to Mastercam
>> geometry so their toolpaths can take advantage of the added
>> intelligence:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_vAo3SI43I&feature=related
>
>Jonnie Bonkers,
>
>Have you tried to post to any other forum lately?
He's actually had little time to work or to post here of late.
He's been flogging his bog ..... all over the net.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=jonbanquer.wordpress.com
42,000 hits.
>Do you understand that even IF you could forge an IP address, you
>would still be a crazy, ranting, nutter?
>Changing your IP address, or changing your name does not change your
>insanity, and you get banned as soon as you pop your head in anyplace.
>
>Tell us again how changing an IP address will make you appear to be
>sane.
>We need a good laugh.
Indeed.
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Cliff
Joe788
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAEm_v9qCfM&feature=related
Cliff
>Let us not forget since Cliffy Huprich's arrival crap is king!
Nobody invited you to post it.
In point of fact you are banned about everywhere for doing exactly such, among
other (usually nasty) things.
Utterly clueless = crap.
It's not even as if you grasp what the ads are about, much less wrote any
of them.
Find out how to drill holes yet?
You have been pretending to be an expert for over a decade
but never seem to have even the faintest of grasps on even the basics.
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Cliff
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Cliff
>The real / fake Joe788, Pete Looghe, Tom Brewer, Cliffy Hurprich, John
>Carroll, Bottlebitch, James Meyette, etc. can do the innuendo as they
>dance and sing but when its all said and done they haven't told you a
>thing.
>
>Let us not forget since Cliffy Huprich's arrival crap is king!
None of us have ever had any problems or confusion machining
pockets, open or closed.
Or drilling holes either.
Ever seen a simple 3 axes CNC machine?
How about an actual CAD/CAM system?
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Cliff