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Chief Egalitarian

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Apr 16, 2010, 11:41:13 PM4/16/10
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Suburban Latinos to march for immigration reform
April 16, 2010 8:29 PM
Hundreds of Latino leaders in Chicago's suburban communities plan to demand
new legislation in a protest on Saturday.

Cristobal Cavazos of Immigrant Solidarity DuPage said advocates are growing
impatient with what they see as President Obama's unkept promise to overhaul
the nation's immigration system, and they are organizing demonstrations to
express their anger.

Across the nation, several marches also are being planned for May 1.

"We want to put all the pressure we can on Congress," Cavazos said. "It's
time to let these people know that we remember the promise that was made to
us."

In DuPage County, tensions have grown as deportations continue and tougher
enforcement measures are being used by employers. Last month, a UPS facility
in Addison fired more than 200 employees under the online employment
verification program known as E-Verify. Under a rule approved last year,
federal contractors are now required to use E-Verify.

Activists argue that the program is prone to errors, with U.S. citizens and
other legal employees dismissed due to flaws in the system.

Cavazos said many of the recently fired UPS workers are expected to protest
in Saturday's march. In addition, hundreds of parishioners from St. Joseph
Church in Addison and St. Isidore Church in Bloomingdale will demonstrate.

The protest is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. with a rally at St. Isidore.
Later, demonstrators will march through Glendale Heights to the office of
Republican Congressman Peter Roskam for another rally and to deliver a
letter calling for immigration reform.

Stormin Mormon

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Apr 19, 2010, 7:24:00 AM4/19/10
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Increased deportations. Confirming citizen status. Cut off
aid to illegals. No tax payer dollars for illegals. That
sounds like reform, to me.

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Don Foreman

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Apr 20, 2010, 2:11:48 AM4/20/10
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:00 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Increased deportations. Confirming citizen status. Cut off
>aid to illegals. No tax payer dollars for illegals. That
>sounds like reform, to me.

I do not understand or accept tolerance of illegals. Illegal means
against the law, illegals are criminal offenders by definition. Aid
to illegals is even more abhorrant. How is that different from
seeking aid for thieves and drug dealers?

cavelamb

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Apr 20, 2010, 2:44:15 AM4/20/10
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Arizona seems to agree with you on that, Don.
I wish Texas would do the same...


(CNN) -- The Arizona state Senate on Monday passed an extensive immigration bill
that is widely considered to be some of the toughest immigration legislation in
the nation, requiring police officers to determine whether a person is in the
United States legally.

Currently, officers can only take that route if a person is suspected in another
crime. Critics, including immigrant advocates and the ACLU of Arizona, are
concerned the new law will foster racial profiling, arguing that most police
officers don't have enough training to look past race while investigating a
person's legal status.

The Senate passed the bill in a 17-11 vote Monday. The bill was approved in a
House vote last week and awaits the signature of Gov. Jan Brewer. Supporters of
the measure expect her to sign it.

Republican state Sen. Russell Pearce, who wrote the bill, said in a recent
interview that, with the bill, "We're going to take the handcuffs off of law
enforcement, we're going to put them on the bad guy.

Illegal is not a race, it's a crime."


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/19/arizona.immigration.bill/index.html?hpt=T2

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Dave__67

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Apr 20, 2010, 7:49:11 AM4/20/10
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On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Don Foreman <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:00 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>
> <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Increased deportations. Confirming citizen  status. Cut off
> >aid to illegals. No tax payer dollars for illegals. That
> >sounds like reform, to me.
>
> I do not understand or accept tolerance of illegals. Illegal means
> against the law, illegals are criminal offenders by definition.  Aid
> to illegals is even more abhorrant.  How is that different from
> seeking aid for thieves and drug dealers?

In principle, yes, but the vast majority here illegally commit no
other crime.

Not saying that makes being here illegally OK.


Dave

Ed Huntress

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Apr 20, 2010, 6:13:19 PM4/20/10
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"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
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Because illegal aliens sought the same thing your ancestors sought -- a
better life for their families. But unlike your (and my) families, they were
cut out of the opportunity by the laws.

So they're categorically different. To them, in a historical context, they
just got the short end of the stick, your ancestors and mine having taken
the long end and hidden it behind our laws.

But that's not the real question. The real question is whether we're all
better off giving them some social support, or not. You can continue your
argument from that point on without further interference from me. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


cavelamb

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Apr 20, 2010, 8:03:15 PM4/20/10
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That's nonsense, Ed.

We stole this country fair and square.

Mow these new guys are trying to horn in on it.

T'aint right, I tell you!

Ed Huntress

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Apr 20, 2010, 10:58:56 PM4/20/10
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"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Finders keepers. Hmmm...no, that wouldn't work out...

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John R. Carroll

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Apr 20, 2010, 11:14:25 PM4/20/10
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We did cowboys and Indians once.
I think the pee partiers would like to make it cowboys and Mexican's for a
while or maybe cowboy's and.......


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John R. Carroll

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Apr 20, 2010, 11:17:11 PM4/20/10
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Kenyan's. That was it, cowboys and Kenyan's.
Dumb shits.....

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John R. Carroll


Martin H. Eastburn

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Apr 21, 2010, 12:14:37 AM4/21/10
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Ed -

Remember not all by a long shot that tried to come here got here.
Ellis island was a way station that determined if you stayed, returned
or got locked down. There were lots and lots of reasons to prevent
those that got here from entering. Not having shots or being ill
was in there. Some sicknesses were kept out. Not now. And we pay
for it with the black death and other plagues in the big cities.

New York and wave after wave of immigrants worked hand and hand into
making a nation. This south of the boarder bunch is here most for
one reason - money / work. Few of them are here to really stay.

I moved back here to Texas from the west coast where small towns
were overrun and totally altered in nature. Then as a stroke of
a pen - there would be notice in the paper - hundreds of cars and
trucks abandoned all over town. The town had to tow and store.
Banks were going crazy, those had small business loans and
auto/truck loans.

They flood our hospitals and run them bankrupt.

I pay much more in insurance because of them. Break-ins, copper
theft, car theft, drugs and the gambit of ills.

For the most part those coming here can't find a job there or get
along there - so we get the dregs of society taking jobs
out of peoples hands and lives.

It is bad enough that the senior design jobs are overseas now,
manufacturing is over there and the light and odd work is reserved
for illegals.

Are we not a totally screwing up society ?

Martin

cavelamb

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Apr 21, 2010, 12:46:37 AM4/21/10
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O balderdash, Martin.
As many people (or more!?) came in through Galveston.

cavelamb

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Apr 21, 2010, 12:48:17 AM4/21/10
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Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
>
>> But that's not the real question. The real question is whether we're
>> all better off giving them some social support, or not. You can
>> continue your argument from that point on without further interference
>> from me. d8-)
>>


All we are doing now, Martin, is paying the piper.

Editor Hunter

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Apr 21, 2010, 2:22:12 AM4/21/10
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In <M7qdnRQfuewM8FPW...@giganews.com>, on Tue, 20 Apr 2010
20:14:25 -0700, John R. Carroll, nu...@bidness.dev.nul wrote:

> We did cowboys and Indians once.
> I think the pee partiers would like to make it cowboys and Mexican's

Which Mexican, and to what possession of his do you refer?

> for a while or maybe cowboy's and.......

Which cowboy, and to what possession of his do you refer?

Editor Hunter

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Apr 21, 2010, 2:25:03 AM4/21/10
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In <ko6dnbN6VfSr81PW...@giganews.com>, on Tue, 20 Apr 2010
20:17:11 -0700, John R. Carroll, nu...@bidness.dev.nul wrote:

>> I think the pee partiers would like to make it cowboys and Mexican's
>> for a while or maybe cowboy's and.......
>
> Kenyan's.

Which Kenyan, and what possession?

> That was it, cowboys and Kenyan's.

Again. Which Kenyan, and what possession?

Gunner Asch

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Apr 21, 2010, 5:40:27 AM4/21/10
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:46:37 -0500, cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>O balderdash, Martin.
>As many people (or more!?) came in through Galveston.

Actually..you are both right, but at different times.

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

John R. Carroll

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Apr 21, 2010, 5:49:45 AM4/21/10
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Editor Hunter wrote:
> In <M7qdnRQfuewM8FPW...@giganews.com>, on Tue, 20 Apr
> 2010 20:14:25 -0700, John R. Carroll, nu...@bidness.dev.nul wrote:
>
>> We did cowboys and Indians once.
>> I think the pee partiers would like to make it cowboys and Mexican's
>
> Which Mexican, and to what possession of his do you refer?

I'm not quite sure they know or care very much.

>
>> for a while or maybe cowboy's and.......
>
> Which cowboy, and to what possession of his do you refer?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041904371.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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Ed Huntress

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Apr 21, 2010, 8:58:04 AM4/21/10
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"Martin H. Eastburn" <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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I wouldn't disagree that we've screwed up the handling of the whole thing,
Martin. The thing to remember, though, is that the ones who have been
schizophrenic about immigration is us -- we're always talking about it out
of both sides of our mouths.

The politics of it has been inherently deceitful, with business and
agriculture saying one thing and lobbying for another, and high-minded
assertions of principle have been dragged through the dirt by phonies and
frauds in politics, business, and the press. Our immigration laws are
arbitrary to the point of absurdity.

It's not a subject about which one can talk about principles, including the
rule of law, without feeling like an ass. It's just a mess.

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Ed Huntress


Ed Huntress

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Apr 21, 2010, 10:46:06 AM4/21/10
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"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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Hey, we never did that one when I was a kid. We did Indians, Nazis, and
Russians. Kenyans would have been a refreshing change.

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Ed Huntress


John R. Carroll

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Apr 21, 2010, 4:52:30 PM4/21/10
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LOL
You see, even as a kid you were preparing to take "Your" country back.


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John R. Carroll


wmbjk...@citlink.net

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Apr 21, 2010, 8:08:43 PM4/21/10
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Speaking of taking the country back... TP's in their own words -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546909.html
Pretty much the exact same nonsense I hear from the local ones.
Although, at least nobody in the video says "I don't have time to read
up on stuff", which I heard yet again yesterday.

Wayne

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