Heat/air for small garage/shop
stryped
shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
on the ceiling.
I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
than studs.
I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
This unit is 300 bucks.
RBnDFW
> I have been looking around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
For my money (and in my 24x40 shop) a Home Depot window unit in the back
endwall works fine. Pushes cold air all the way to the far wall, no
problem. My requirements at the shop are different from my home. I'm
only there once or twice a week, and I don't want sweat pouring off me
while I work. A window unit knocks the 100 degrees 80% humidity down to
something comfortable in about 30 minutes.
They run for years, are quite efficient, and when they quit, you
just buy another for ~$300. Much cheaper in the long run.
stryped
>
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Problem is I dont have a window.
RAMł
057924...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> I have been lookign around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
> shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
> a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
> on the ceiling.
>
> I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
> says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
> upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
By "split system" are you referring to a zoned system or a system with
the compressor outside and the evaporater coils in the attic?
>
> Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
> do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
>
> Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
> there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
> am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
> insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
> than studs.
>
> I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
>
> This unit is 300 bucks.
>
If this is, essentially, a heavy-duty window unit then there may be
several options available....
stryped
> stryped <stryp...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:9121fe5c-3426-482a-b060-
> 0579244a6...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
This is a system where the air handler, compressor everythign sit
outside. I think they are called a "package" system. Basically the
whole thing sits outside.
RAM�
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If the system calls for ducting, simply box in the ducting on the back of
the building and run it as close to the peak of the roof as possible for
maximum cooling effect.
RAMł
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>
> Problem is I dont have a window.
An 8' 2x4, some nails, a saw, and a hammer can supply you with an
appropriate opening.
Or is this a rented building?
Stormin Mormon
eighties ought to draw about 15 amps, at 240 volts. Some
where along in that range.
Three tons should cool that shop in a hurry, and only have
to run now and again. The humidity control won't be great,
but it will be cooler.
You'd have to put the unit outdoors, and cut some holes in
the wall for the ducts. One option is to run a supply air
duct along the ceiling, and use a grille in the wall for
return air.
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conditioning. It works fine for me. I wrap a towel around my head on
hot days and can work in 100 degree temp all day long.
i
RBnDFW
Nor did I
Steve W.
> On Apr 14, 3:23 pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> stryped wrote:
>>> I have been looking around at used heat/air conditioners for my garage/
>>> shop. It is not used all the time, mainly on weekends currently. It is
>>> a 30x30x10 metal building with 2x4 walls in the inside and 2x4 trusses
>>> on the ceiling.
>>> I found a local heating air guy that has an 80's 3 ton unit that he
>>> says was workign when pulled out of the house. The owner wanted to
>>> upgrade. But, it is not a split system like I have in my house.
>>> Is there a way to use this and it not look bad ? I mean, how would you
>>> do the duct from the outside to the inside with a 2x4 wall?
>>> Would this be too inefficent since it is old even though I am not in
>>> there all the time. It does get terribly hot in there in the summer, I
>>> am not as concerned about heat in the winter. I am in the process of
>>> insulating currently and have no inside wall material as of yet other
>>> than studs.
>>> I have a 100 amp panel in my garage.
>>> This unit is 300 bucks.
Hunt up one of the units like they use in motels with heat and A/C in
one unit. That's what I have. Works real well.
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Michael A. Terrell
stryped wrote:
>
> This is a system where the air handler, compressor everythign sit
> outside. I think they are called a "package" system. Basically the
> whole thing sits outside.
They are made for 'Mobile Homes'.
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Gunner Asch
wrote:
Then you simply cut a hole in the wall in some place that wont interfer
with work benches etc etc..frame it, and install the AC
Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
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Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
ice and a big fan. ;-)
Gunner Asch
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>
>
> Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
>ice and a big fan. ;-)
Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
the stairs.
Gunner
RBnDFW
Yep. Best spot is overhead, high as possible, for circulation as well as
security.
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
> >
> >
> > Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
> >ice and a big fan. ;-)
>
> Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
> filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
> the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
> the stairs.
It sounds like they were trying for the group discount on Darwin
Awards. :(
Gunner Asch
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
>> >ice and a big fan. ;-)
>>
>> Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
>> filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
>> the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
>> the stairs.
>
>
> It sounds like they were trying for the group discount on Darwin
>Awards. :(
It was a very COOL effect..but it was semi-formal..and odd sized
invisible concrete steps and high heels didnt seem to mesh very well.
Greg O
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> stryped wrote:
>>
>> This is a system where the air handler, compressor everythign sit
>> outside. I think they are called a "package" system. Basically the
>> whole thing sits outside.
>
>
> They are made for 'Mobile Homes'.
>
They are not specifically for mobile homes. You see them alot in southern
states, on typical framed homes, also they are very simular to commercial
roof top units.
As to the OP. Set it on the ground, and cut a couple holes for supply and
return duct through the wall. as for the $300 price tag, it seems steep to
me. Maybe you can get the seller to make a bit of duct work to get through
the wall for the same price.
Greg
stryped
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:4BC66CAD...@earthlink.net...
I found a 2005 Bryant package unit for 500 delivered to me.
I am still having trouble invisioning how the dict would run from the
unit.
Ralph E Lindberg
<b42ec1ea-da73-4e6b...@12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
stryped <stry...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Packaged systems are what you often see in Hotel/Motel rooms. They
have some issues that a mini-split unit does not. They are often put
below windows as they require such a large opening. IMO, if buying new a
mini-split is a much better option, as the only holes in the wall is the
opening for the wires and piping.
I will be installing a mini-split in my shop later this year.
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>I found a 2005 Bryant package unit for 500 delivered to me.
>I am still having trouble invisioning how the dict would run from the
>unit.
Post a model number or a link, if it is the typical packaged unit the all of
it sits outside there will be places on the unit to connect supply and
return air ducts.
Greg
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>On Apr 15, 9:49 pm, "Greg O" <goo1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hasn't anyone heard of nude metalworking?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> >> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
> >> >ice and a big fan. ;-)
> >>
> >> Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
> >> filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
> >> the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
> >> the stairs.
> >
> >
> > It sounds like they were trying for the group discount on Darwin
> >Awards. :(
>
> It was a very COOL effect..but it was semi-formal..and odd sized
> invisible concrete steps and high heels didnt seem to mesh very well.
Mesh? They just couldn't get it into gear? ;-)
Gunner Asch
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:15:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> >> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gunner, who lives in the desert and has no AC in his shop. Yet.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't pull a 'Wylie Coyote' and try cooling it with a block of dry
>> >> >ice and a big fan. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Crom no! I went to a party last summer where they had put out buckets
>> >> filled with dry ice..and people were falling down the stairs between
>> >> the house and the swimming pool all night long because of the fog hiding
>> >> the stairs.
>> >
>> >
>> > It sounds like they were trying for the group discount on Darwin
>> >Awards. :(
>>
>> It was a very COOL effect..but it was semi-formal..and odd sized
>> invisible concrete steps and high heels didnt seem to mesh very well.
>
>
> Mesh? They just couldn't get it into gear? ;-)
Watching well dressed women falling down concrete steps covered by fog
was a bit...scary.
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Watching well dressed women falling down concrete steps covered by fog
> was a bit...scary.
Yes, if they aren't drunk politicians.
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(...)
> Hasn't anyone heard of nude metalworking?
OH! That's what they mean by 'Brismatic'!
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Gunner Asch
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Michael A. Terrell
I live in a very 'Southern State' and what they advertise as package
units around here are one piece systems with flimsy flex duct that runs
under a mobile home. I have never seen one of these used anywhere else.
They are too easy to drag away from a building, and would make it too
easy to B&E a structure.
The one piece they use on other structures were referred to as
Modular, since they are used in modular, portable classrooms or office
buildings so they can be hauled in and set up in a hurry. They simply
bolt to one of the end walls of the center modules, and are wired into
that section. That way nothing is sticking out when they are being
moved down a highway.
> Greg
Greg O
>
> >>
>> They are not specifically for mobile homes. You see them alot in southern
>> states, on typical framed homes, also they are very simular to commercial
>> roof top units.
>> As to the OP. Set it on the ground, and cut a couple holes for supply and
>> return duct through the wall. as for the $300 price tag, it seems steep
>> to
>> me. Maybe you can get the seller to make a bit of duct work to get
>> through
>> the wall for the same price.
>
>
> I live in a very 'Southern State' and what they advertise as package
> units around here are one piece systems with flimsy flex duct that runs
> under a mobile home. I have never seen one of these used anywhere else.
> They are too easy to drag away from a building, and would make it too
> easy to B&E a structure.
>
> The one piece they use on other structures were referred to as
> Modular, since they are used in modular, portable classrooms or office
> buildings so they can be hauled in and set up in a hurry. They simply
> bolt to one of the end walls of the center modules, and are wired into
> that section. That way nothing is sticking out when they are being
> moved down a highway.
Well, I travel to Tennesse every summer and I see homes of all types with
package units sitting on the ground beside the home. Last summer I was down
in Mississippi and saw them all over too.
I do HVAC work for a living, so I know what I am seeing! You must not be
looking hard enough!
Greg
Michael A. Terrell
Or you're seeing a lot of crappy work done by the trades.