Re: OT:Obamacare question...serious...
Cliff
> So when are the deadbeats gonna have to fork over 200$ a week for their
>families like I do?
Ask gummer.
You & I have been paying for him. Pretty steep bills too.
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Cliff
Cliff
> So when does the 32 million uninsured folks get their first bill?
bushco gave universal healthcare to everybody in Iraq.
If it's good enough for them ....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=universal+healthcare+iraq
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Cliff
Cliff
> So when does the 32 million uninsured folks get their first bill? I'm
>assuming they will have to pay considering I keep hearing about everyone
>being insured will lower the amount the insurance companies charge? Everyone
>means everyone right?
>
> So when are the deadbeats gonna have to fork over 200$ a week for their
>families like I do?
>
> I'm also under the assumption some of the money is coming from medicare? I
>swear for the last 10 years all Iv'e heard is medicare is going bankrupt?
>And money is coming from that fund?
> I believe mcain swore he wouldn't touch it? Now we are taggin off it?
>
> Obviously I literally don't get it?
>
>Things I do know....
> Can't be excluded for preexisting conditions.
>
> Ok, like car insurance. But if youv'e had a few accidents...your car
>insurance in florida is like 2 grand a year with a 10,000$ deductable.
> If youv'e had a heart attack and change insurance, will your bill reflect
>your preexsisting condition, because what good is insurance with a 50 grand
>deductable if you don't have the fifty grand on hand to dish out?
> I Havn't been to the hospital for over 30 years, paid cash for both my
>kids, yet my deductable is 6000$ for my family a year at 200 a week? Imagine
>if pre existing stuff is factored in?
>
>*********
> Do companies HAVE to pay? if yes...why? When the frig did they get
>responsable for your bills? I thought it was a gimmic to get the best
>workers, now its the law? Doesn't sound fair to me.
>
>*********
>
>Savings....has that happened at all? I bet it's still 24$ a tylenol pill.
> They pretend all the waste is in paperwork, so they want my info on a
>database. Pffft. The damn money is in the 20$ cup of ice you get delivered
>if you can't eat, not the data or lack of.
>
> Shit, one nurse per 30 people, one surgeon per 50 people, where exactly is
>this cost nonsence I keep hearing about? Is it that nasty food they sell,
>hell it costs more than a fancy restaurant for crap marines would spit out?
>
>WTF got fixed?
>
>Someone please clear this up for me. Is my insurance going to go up or down?
>Is my deductable going to go up or down? Is my insurance premiums going to
>get taxed? That would be 2-3 grand a year for me or more?
>
> I fucking swear, if my helath crap goes up thousands a year I will start
>running over people in wheel chairs!
>
>Someone tell me I got it all wrong, because the truth is I try to ignore the
>MAN as much as possible.
>
>Oh yah, is any of the bills deferred till after the next election? just
>curious.
>
Cliff
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>mom-and-pop operations
Which have an advantage over larger firms in that they usually
provide no bennies & hence pocket more bucks.
This is unfair.
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Cliff
Cliff
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>(2) As most economic development texts make clear, special tax
>benefits/exemptions are among the worst ways for governmental
>intervention in an economy as this: (A) distorts the nominally
>"free market;" (B) hides most of the real costs; and (C)
>subsidizes certain groups/sectors at the expense of everyone
>else. Operationally, the working poor and others without
>employer provided health care, because of tax shifting, have been
>subsidizing health care for those with employer provided H/C,
>including the solid platinum diamond studded "executive" H/C
>plans for the most highly compensated; and
You should see what's reserved for Catholic Bishops in some
hospitals. Nearly an entire floor just in case he gets sick .... includes
offices, rooms & suites for staff, ....
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Cliff
Cliff
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>(3) H/C costs have been rising far faster than inflation, and as
>a percent of the GDP are crowding out other critical sectors.
>This huge increase in absolute and relative H/C cost has been
>greatly compounded by the recent economy contraction, and the
>long term deindustrialization, resulting in the loss of very
>significant numbers of well paying jobs with employer provided
>H/C benefits. As the demand for medical service is relatively
>inelastic, other than possibly some cosmetic surgery, this leaves
>fewer people to pay the premiums to cover the H/C costs for
>everyone, including the indigent and illegal aliens. Naturally
>the per capita medical premiums has soared. As Grandma observed
>"you can't get blood out of a turnip," and government is now
>forced to go to the only place there is any money, i.e. the
>corporations including the banks and their high wage earners.
As the lives of the very wealthy are clearly worth so much more
than those of the workers why should they object to paying more
to save their own lives?
They already usually pay a lower total tax rate than the workers
anyway ...
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Cliff
Cliff
>On Mar 29, 10:10�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:09:41 -0600, F. George McDuffee
>>
>> <gmcduf...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>> >mom-and-pop operations
>>
>> � Which have an advantage over larger firms in that they usually
>> provide no bennies & hence pocket more bucks.
>>
>> � This is unfair.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Why is it unfair?
It provides an a unfair advantage to small businesses which
are usually less well managed than larger ones.
This might be the road to the bottom of the heap.
It is also unfair to the employees of small businesses unless they are
compensated for it.
>Ever own a shop?
>Pay machine payments, rent, buy endmills, drills, taps, material?
>Replace material scrapped by dingus not paying attention, misreading
>print?
>Replaced tooling destroyed by same dingus who thought he/she was a
>brain surgeon?
>Not a whole lotta folks getting rich in small shops.
>
>I used to assume my employer had all the resources to pay me well AND
>provide me with bennies, until "I" started signing the check on the
>front!
>Go find something to cut and paste about what it is really like to own
>a biz.
>
>Tried to post but you got friggen 9 groups in the posting to line, you
>are the crossposting king!
I like to spread the chum at times <g>.
>
>"D"
Did you know that most job losses are in small businesses?
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Cliff
Cliff
>If we compare the free markets of most any other product or
>service, the prices come down with volume.
If you catch many episodes of the old program
"Economics USA" you will know that this is often not
the case, even in simple economic models.
http://www.learner.org/resources/series79.html
(Also on Dish Network)
It's a simple fiction.
When the markets are controlled, as they are in this case
(by a few firms with monopolistic powers) and the
consumer usually has no choice anyway (the bosses paid for
the policy, you lose) and no or very little real information is
available anyway ...
It is not at all in their interests to reduce costs as long
as they all pay higher ones.
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Cliff
Cliff
>
>That 38% increase in rates proposed by Anthem Blue Cross last month
>was a sign that they know the party might be over soon.
While I knew that BCBS was state-by-state I thought they were non-profits.
Clearly not in all states.
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Cliff
Cliff
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>"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:27:19 -0700, sittingduck <du...@spamherelots.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>vinny wrote:
>>>
>>>> WTF
>>>
>>>Reg Henry
>>>GOP's complaining has turned unhealthy
>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2010
>>>By Reg Henry, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>>>
>>>What was the charming little phrase that conservatives would say to those
>>>of us disappointed when George W. Bush became president? It's hard to
>>>believe that it has receded down the rabbit hole of memory. It was so
>>>wonderfully pithy.
>>>
>>>Ah yes, I remember now. "Get over it!" This was considered the height of
>>>conservative wit back in 2000 and 2004 and all the long years after
>>
>> OTOH you have to recall that it was actually half-witted
>> (like most rethuggery & wingerisims).
>
>Do you actually believe the democrats are any better than the republicans?
Did you find those "WMDs" yet?
Pay off the rethug debts too?
>Any more genuous, any more intelligent, any more less criminal?
>
> The way I see it is if a president or a party supports laws that are good
>for manufacturing growth...they are doing their job. If they hurt
>manufacturing in any way they should be seen as traitors.
So when the rethugs & wingers lost or exported about half of
all US manufacturing jobs over the last decade you applauded.
> When was the last time either party did a damn thing for manufacturing?
>Manufacturing is being stomped out...why? What is the gain? What will our
>kids do, our grandkids, etc... friggen everyone can't work at wallmart?
>Imagine a world where whole generations go thru their whole lives without
>creating anything from scratch.
> (shivers)
Rush told you all that?
>
>Screw the loser dems, screw the self rightous repuks, screw this pres, and
>the last pres. But we got off easy, instead of bush, then obama, could of
>been gore, then hillary...we'd all prolly be dead by now instead of just
>broke and ashamed..
You could have Palin <VBG>.
Chief Egalitarian
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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Cliff
>the blatant hypocrisy within the GOP
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Shadow_RNC_seeks_50_million.html
"Shadow RNC seeks $50 million"
[
Chris Cillizza reports this morning that Ed Gillespie's new operation, American
Crossroads, says it aims to raise $50 million, setting it up as a direct
competitor to the embattled Republican National Committee.
....
]
BTW, Seems like Palin just came out AGAINST off-shore drilling ....
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Cliff
Chief Egalitarian
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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Good for her!
Concerend Citizen
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:38:37 -0700, sittingduck <d...@spamherelots.com>
> > wrote:
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> >>the blatant hypocrisy within the GOP
>
> > "Shadow RNC seeks $50 million"
> > [
> > Chris Cillizza reports this morning that Ed Gillespie's new operation,
> > American
> > Crossroads, says it aims to raise $50 million, setting it up as a direct
> > competitor to the embattled Republican National Committee.
> > ....
> > ]
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> > BTW, Seems like Palin just came out AGAINST off-shore drilling ....
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Bravo!