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How Does Your CADCAM System Handle Real World Simulation Tasks?

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Joe788

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Dec 6, 2009, 3:39:32 PM12/6/09
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"Solid Cut Part Verify / Simulation:

Esprit has it all over Mastercam X4 in this area. The integration of
MachineWorks in Esprit is easily the best I’ve ever seen in a CADCAM
system. Here is a specific example of what I mean when I say that the
integration of MachineWorks in Esprit is easily the best I’ve ever
seen in a CADCAM system. Lets say you wish to accurately simulate a
part that needs 4 vice operations to be complete. Esprit allows you to
save what they call a .SIM file. This .SIM file will automatically be
placed relative to an Active Work Plane that you establish for your
second operation so if you need the part flipped over for your second
operation you set up your Active Work Plane for the second vise to be
flipped over. That’s all you need to do! Lets compare this to what
Mastercam makes you go through: Mastercam doesn’t have anything like
an .SIM file or any way to automate this process. You have to use STL
Transform to manually move your saved cut part STL file from your
first operation and then manually save it in the position you need it
to be in for your second operation. Moving, rotating and placing STL
files in Mastercam is an arduous process at best. The latter process
is so impractical and so labor intensive that in Mastercam no one has
the time to do accurate / real cut part simulation that shows what
actually is happening on the machine when it comes to something like a
multi-vise setup."

How does your CADCAM system handle real world simulation tasks like
those that have been described above?

Joe788

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:12:51 PM12/7/09
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"Solid Cut Part Verify / Simulation:

Esprit has it all over Mastercam X4 in this area. The integration of
MachineWorks in Esprit is easily the best I’ve ever seen in a CADCAM
system. Here is a specific example of what I mean when I say that the
integration of MachineWorks in Esprit is easily the best I’ve ever
seen in a CADCAM system. Lets say you wish to accurately simulate a
part that needs 4 vice operations to be complete. Esprit allows you to
save what they call a .SIM file. This .SIM file will automatically be
placed relative to an Active Work Plane that you establish for your
second operation so if you need the part flipped over for your second
operation you set up your Active Work Plane for the second vise to be
flipped over. That’s all you need to do! Lets compare this to what
Mastercam makes you go through: Mastercam doesn’t have anything like

a .SIM file or any way to automate this process. You have to use STL

Zymrgy

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:36:10 PM12/7/09
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Copy & paste to your hearts content Yoni...still it does not make it
true. The only time you have to transform an .stl in mastercam is when
you are going from a lathe operation to a mill op...and even then this
is true only if you need to work off a system WCS. why bother to
redefine the stock with each vise setup when you can just use one and
use your WCS properly to control the rest of the setups?

Brother Lightfoot

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Dec 7, 2009, 11:39:39 PM12/7/09
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In other words, instead of "making it easier for small businesses to get
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to the wrong people is basically the root cause of much of the current
global economic quagmire....

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Cliff

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Dec 8, 2009, 10:45:23 AM12/8/09
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He has no clues how to use even the basics of MasterCAM
or anything else & it shows all the time.
He's just too dumb to know it.
That sort of takes the cake for stupid.
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Cliff

Joe788

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Dec 8, 2009, 12:19:38 PM12/8/09
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Shhhhhhhh! You weren't supposed to tell Jon that he's doing it
completely wrong, *again*. Every time Jon's ignorance and
incompetence reaches new heights, he finds a way push that bar up to
the next notch.

Mask on arc, chaining, open pocketing, drilling holes, and now
verification. Jon has struggled with key aspects of all of them. Since
that pretty much covers every facet of Mastercam, where can he go from
here?

Joe788

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:03:33 PM12/8/09
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While losers who can't back up what they have to say continue to post
complete and utter bullshit and spin consider that the Jon Banquer
blog can always back it up with FACTS!

The Jon Banquer blog has added two new screen shots showing exactly
what Mastercam can't do and DP Technology Esprit can easily do with
very little effort on the users part. Is it any wonder that so many
machining job shops that use Mastercam are adding DP Technology
Esprit? The reason for this is straight forward and as simple as it
gets:

Mastercam can't get the job done like DP Technology Esprit can.

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/dp-technology-esprit-vs-mastercam-x4/

How does your CADCAM system handle real world simulation tasks like

those that have been described and are now shown on the Jon Banquer
blog?

The Jon Banquer blog is the world leader in providing original CAM-
centric content. If you're not reading the Jon Banquer blog you can be
sure of one thing... your competition is! ;>)

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/dp-technology-esprit-vs-mastercam-x4/

Joe788

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Dec 8, 2009, 6:08:01 PM12/8/09
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On Dec 8, 2:03 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> While losers who can't back up what they have to say continue to post
> complete and utter bullshit and spin consider that the Jon Banquer
> blog can always back it up with FACTS!
>

"FACTS"? Like the FACT that your "problem" with mask on arc was
completely self inflicted?

The FACT that you signed up a fake name on emastercam so you could
complain about Mastercam's inability to machine an open pocket, only
to be quickly rebuffed by people who actually know what they are
doing?

The FACT is that you are utterly helpless on virtually every aspect of
Mastercam.

If you spent 1/10th the time using and learning the software, as you
do complaining about it, you wouldn't have nearly so many complaints.
Then again, you are not even remotely sane, so who knows what would
happen.

Joe788

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Dec 8, 2009, 10:21:47 PM12/8/09
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Joe788

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Dec 9, 2009, 11:02:52 AM12/9/09
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"FACTS"? Like the FACT that your "problem" with mask on arc was

F. George McDuffee

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Dec 9, 2009, 12:08:19 PM12/9/09
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===========
You are correct, but only from the perspective of the 99.9% of
the American people that live and work on Main Street. The
remaining 0.01% live and work on Wall Street.

The 0.01% that live and work on Wall Street depend on their
usurious interest income and skimming the profits of [or looting]
of productive operations.

It appears that along with the huge quantities of cheap
manufactured goods and cheap, far below market, capital the U.S.
imported from the 3rd world over the last 20 years, we also
imported the worst aspects of crony and casino capitalism.

Obama is a very smart individual, but an individual, and stands
no chance in attempting to restrict skimming, looting and
shylocking by the 0.01%, given that he would be opposed by
virtually every other elected official and the huge majority of
bureaucrats that know where their money comes from [and it ain't
the taxpayers].

Note that any savers in the 99.9% group are frozen out of any
meaningful return on their capital by the ultra low interest
rates paid on money accounts, currently below the inflation rate,
and the manipulation of the stock, bond, commodities, foreign
exchange, real estate, etc. markets by the 0.01%, through insider
trading, front running, flash/high volume computerized trading,
immunity to prosecution, etc.

What needs to be done is clear, but it won't be easy, and indeed
is likely impossible until a systemic collapse.


Unka George

(George McDuffee)

The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

Cliff

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Dec 9, 2009, 5:15:35 PM12/9/09
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He only has the voices in his head to instruct him.
And THEY are all crazy & ignorant.

He will NEVER get any clues.
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Cliff

Joe788

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:44:12 PM12/9/09
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Joe788

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Dec 9, 2009, 10:13:59 PM12/9/09
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"FACTS"? Like the FACT that your "problem" with mask on arc was

Joe788

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Dec 9, 2009, 11:38:48 PM12/9/09
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Joe788

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Dec 10, 2009, 12:18:44 PM12/10/09
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"FACTS"? Like the FACT that your "problem" with mask on arc was
completely self inflicted?

The FACT that you signed up a fake name on emastercam so you could
complain about Mastercam's inability to machine an open pocket, only
to be quickly rebuffed by people who actually know what they are
doing?

The FACT is that you are utterly helpless on virtually every aspect of
Mastercam.

If you spent 1/10th the time using and learning the software, as you
do complaining about it, you wouldn't have nearly so many complaints.
Then again, you are not even remotely sane, so who knows what would
happen.

Or are you talking about the FACT that you've been banned from all of
the popular machining related message boards numerous times, because
of your completely insane behavior?

Joe788

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Dec 10, 2009, 10:25:40 PM12/10/09
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Cliff

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Dec 11, 2009, 7:41:16 AM12/11/09
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:39:32 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Esprit has it all over Mastercam

It's been about a year since you were dumping those 100+
seats of Pro-E there at Qualcomm in San Diego and installing UG instead. Plus
the MasterCAM. Because you cannot learn how to drill holes.

How did that all work out?
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Cliff

Joe788

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:38:00 AM12/12/09
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Joe788

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Dec 12, 2009, 1:07:29 PM12/12/09
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Tired of bullshit from losers who can't backup what they have to say
with facts and screen shots?

When you've had enough bullshit, spin, etc. suggest you check out the
Jon Banquer blog and find out why Mastercam fails miserably at doing
practical / real world multiple part simulation. New screen shots
added this morning show how easy it is to setup a tombstone and solid
cut part verify multiple parts in DP Technology Esprit with none of
the limitations that Mastercam has:

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/dp-technology-esprit-vs-mastercam-x4/

"Mastercam requires you to join all your individual .STL parts so they
make up one connected piece. Mastercam won’t simulate separate .STL
files all at once. DP Esprit has no such ridiculous limitation.
Simulating a tombstone with many different parts on it is easy in DP
Technology Esprit. It’s a exercise in frustration in Mastercam and
isn’t practical by any stretch of the imagination."

You can only find this kind of information on the Jon Banquer blog.
The Jon Banquer blog is the leading CAM-centric blog on the internet.

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/dp-technology-esprit-vs-mastercam-x4/

Joe788

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Dec 13, 2009, 3:05:33 PM12/13/09
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"FACTS"? Like the FACT that your "problem" with mask on arc was

Joe788

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Joe788

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:26:42 PM12/15/09
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Cliff

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:35:12 AM12/16/09
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:26:42 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>While losers who can't back up what they have to say continue to post
>complete and utter bullshit and spin consider that the Jon Banquer
>blog can always back it up with FACTS!

Copied ads you say?
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Cliff

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