How many guns are out there...really?
Gunner Asch
HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
we need a simple answer to a complex question.
How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
The most direct way to settle the question, polling - calling people up
and asking them how many guns they own - does not work. There is so much
fear of confiscation that a very high percentage of gun owners will deny
it. NO ONE wants to be on a government gun confiscation list.
Some people who make a living selling fear will tell you there are
thirty million gun owners and "no more than" 150 Million guns in private
hands. Others will tell you that guns last no longer than cars, so there
are only 200 million guns in circulation.
Both of these numbers ignore some inconvenient facts. First, cars wear
out much more quickly than firearms. While a ten year old car is
probably a "beater," a ten year old gun with normal wear may well be
described as "near mint."
It's very unusual for a car to last 200,000 miles, but guns seldom wear
out. It's not unusual for a gun to fire 50,000 times or more without a
single failure. It's very unusual for a gun to break within the first
10,000 shots - and most gun owners will not put 10,000 rounds through a
gun in six lifetimes. So guns tend to last a very long time.
For example, the Sharps Rifle Company built perhaps 100,000 rifles
between 1850 and 1880. The records of that company still exist and an
amazingly high percentage of original Sharps rifles still exist - and
are still ready to go hunt buffalo!
A very high percentage of rifles, such as Savage's original Model of
1899 and Winchester's 1894 survive in quantity. I see numbers of these
prized rifles, built and sold from the gay 90's to the Great Depression,
at every place gun owners get together. The price of these fine firearms
has risen to the point that newer and cheaper guns have largely taken
their place in the field. But they are ready when their owners are.
The same thing can be said for most quality firearms of the period.
Winchester's Model of 1897 and Model 1912 are still quite common in the
field - although the value of these shotguns has also appreciated to the
point that many quality guns from the Victorian age have become "safe
queens."
Handguns, such as Colt's "Single Action Army," the various Smith and
Wesson's, and other high quality firearms also survive in large numbers.
Large in comparison to their original production numbers, which was well
suited to a total population of 100 Million or so.
The majority of these guns are still serviceable, although many are
"safe queens" whose owners shoot newer and less valuable firearms. I
will hazard a guess of the survival percentage in a moment.
The second problem is a related one. More than 350 million new guns have
been made and sold in the United States since 1949, and virtually all of
those are in service, living in someone's gun rack, gun safe, closet, or
perhaps under their pillow. More tens of millions of newly made guns
such as the Glocks, Berettas, SIG's, Bersa's, and others, have been
imported.
In addition to these, millions of surplus military weapons such as the
various Mauser rifles and Luger and Walther pistols, have been imported
and sold. In sum, it appears that at least 425 million firearms have
made their way to America's civilian market since the beginning of 1950.
If some of the estimates of the number of surplus firearms are correct,
that total will exceed 500 million.
So how many of these guns are still in existence? Taking the ratio of
pre to post 1950 firearms as a basis for calculation, there are between
600 and 650 million firearms currently in circulation in the United
States.
While many Americans own more than one gun and some own none, it seems
two guns per American is a very safe estimate.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Karl Townsend
bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
Karl
HH&C
wrote:
I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
FWIW, my Dad gave me a 16 gage when I was 11. The 2nd ID gave me an
M16A2 but took it back. Talk about Indian Givers... ;^)
Jeff M
Frank
> More than enough, plus maintenance kits and plenty of ammunition.
The stock answer is more than I need but less than I want ;)
Buerste
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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> http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-many.html
>
> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
Doug White
@news.eternal-september.org:
> On 12/27/2009 2:50 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> More than enough, plus maintenance kits and plenty of ammunition.
>
> The stock answer is more than I need but less than I want ;)
My wife, youngest step-daughter & I all shoot competitively, both pistol &
rifle. I also teach pistol classes, so I have an assortment for
educational purposes. Let's just say we have enough hardware to go around.
Doug White
Ed Huntress
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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Hey, I think I saw that movie, too, but I fell asleep before Goldfinger took
over the world. Or was that Dr. No? Oh, well.
There is no such thing as an "Interpol officer." They can't make arrests.
When any country works with Interpol, its own officers are seconded to
Interpol's international coordinators, for multi-country pursuit of child
pornographers, drug dealers, money launders, and so on.
But US law officers working with Interpol follow their own country's laws.
Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 27, 2:04�pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>>
>> Karl
>
>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
owns...a considerable excess......
Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
adding them into the collection.
A very considerable excess actually.
And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
Gunner
David R.Birch
You mean some of you know how many guns you have...?
David
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Im curious..anyone want to start a pool about how long it will be before
Interpol has its first causualty while "on duty" in the US?
And will anyone be caught?
Gunner
HH&C
> "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote in message
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>
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> > "Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> >news:bdjej5t45nikfgjhv...@4ax.com...
>
> >> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> >> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> >> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> >> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> >> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
> > <snip>
>
> > So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>
> > Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
> > accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
> > reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>
> Hey, I think I saw that movie, too, but I fell asleep before Goldfinger took
> over the world. Or was that Dr. No? Oh, well.
>
> There is no such thing as an "Interpol officer." They can't make arrests.
> When any country works with Interpol, its own officers are seconded to
> Interpol's international coordinators, for multi-country pursuit of child
> pornographers, drug dealers, money launders, and so on.
What? No bankers?
> But US law officers working with Interpol follow their own country's laws.
> Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
> does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
Yes, yes, Ed. Of course.
The leftists wanted the UN to monitor elections in the USA during and
after the Nov 99 election.
Don't be surprised if they show up under Obama's watch in 2010 or
especially 2012, when the left over TARP money just wasn't enough to
buy loyalty and things start going south.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 27, 2:04�pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
>>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
>>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
>>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>
>>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>
>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>owns...a considerable excess......
>
>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>adding them into the collection.
>
>A very considerable excess actually.
>
>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
gummer, Nov 2/2009 "I dont have any guns anymore. I sold them to my
dad"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/7473676d8c1b302b
So, were you lying then, or lying now?
Wayne
HH&C
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:27:46 -0500, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> >news:bdjej5t45nikfgjhv...@4ax.com...
>
> >> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> >> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> >> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> >> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> >> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
> ><snip>
>
> >So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>
> >Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
> >accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
> >reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>
> Im curious..anyone want to start a pool about how long it will be before
> Interpol has its first causualty while "on duty" in the US?
Nope. Not me.
> And will anyone be caught?
>
> Gunner
It will probably look like a mechanical failure on a GM product. Dan
Rather will do some investigative reporting. There will be massive
recalls and Obama will fire more GM execs. Alex Jones will say it was
an inside job. Cliff will believe it. Curly will still be shouting
about "CrazyMotherFuckers" and listing all of the books he's read
except for one... Catcher In The Rye.
Does that sound about right?
Curly Surmudgeon
The two are not mutually exclusive.
> Wayne
--
Regards, Curly
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rangerssuck
> You mean some of you know how many guns you have...?
>
> David
Apparently only Karl does. None of the other big strong men in this
group seem to be willing to put their cards on the table.
rangerssuck
I, by the way have zero guns.
pyotr filipivich
<gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:07:46
-0800 in misc.survivalism:
>http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-many.html
>
>HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
When you can't take care of, or keep track of, the ones you
already have. The actual numeric quantity is left as an exercise for
the owner.
>In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
>we need a simple answer to a complex question.
[snip]
>So how many of these guns are still in existence? Taking the ratio of
>pre to post 1950 firearms as a basis for calculation, there are between
>600 and 650 million firearms currently in circulation in the United
>States.
>
>While many Americans own more than one gun and some own none, it seems
>two guns per American is a very safe estimate.
And that is the mean - the average of all guns divided by the
number of all in the United States.
Wonder what the median number is? Or the Mode?
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
pyotr filipivich
-0800 in misc.survivalism:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 27, 2:04�pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
>>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
>>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
>>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>
>>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>
>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>owns...a considerable excess......
>
>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>adding them into the collection.
"the Irish are like squirrels, always burying caches of arms.
There are so many arms buried about the emerald Island, that even if
you can't recall exactly where you buried yours, someone will have
buried some where you dig. "Aye, woman, these are not the guns we
buried. These are the O'hooligans. Well, waste not..."
>
>A very considerable excess actually.
>
>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>
>Gunner
>
>>
>>FWIW, my Dad gave me a 16 gage when I was 11. The 2nd ID gave me an
>>M16A2 but took it back. Talk about Indian Givers... ;^)
pyotr filipivich
<nos...@nothanks.org> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:50:51
-0600 in misc.survivalism:
>More than enough, plus maintenance kits and plenty of ammunition.
More than some, but not as many as I want.
I just want one more. That's all, just one more.
pyotr
pyotr filipivich
<karl_tow...@embarqmail.com> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009
14:04:41 -0500 in misc.survivalism:
Still on the books - err, hmm.. which ones do I have. still? (Down
economy, having to sell stuff to pay bills, or just general
downsizing) 1 Rifle, shotgun and pistol. Hmmm ... Need to get a
better job, I'll never be able to afford one a month if I don't.
azotic
>
> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
To correctley answer this question you must determine how many firearms
have been manufactured by HSM types that are still in circulation and usable
condition.
"Gun control" is a Non sequitur for any resourcefull person with the proper
skills.
Best Regards
Tom.
azotic
>
> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
To correctley answer this question you must determine how many firearms
Wes
If you can remember all the guns you have, you haven't got enough. ;)
WEs
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Wes
>Apparently only Karl does. None of the other big strong men in this
>group seem to be willing to put their cards on the table.
Simple rules to maintaining your collection or arms depot depending.
1. Don't brag about how many and what types of guns you have.
2. Secure them properly
3. Remember rule one.
This also applies to other valuable possessions.
Wes
Stuart Wheaton
Hey, I did the same thing! My first real job paid for an Air Pistol
that the US Shooting Team was selling to raise funds for the '84
Olympics. Still have it, and shoot a match every monday night with it.
It's still more accurate than I am, but I just bought a house with a
10 meter basement, so I might have to buy some fancy gun and a scuba
tank next year.
Otherwise, I'd say I have enough, but the last time my girlfriend shot
with our Bullseye league she finally found a gun that fits her small
left-handed self, so now I'm looking for a S&W 22A with a dot for her
to use...and I'm always looking for a nice .357 snubby.
Gunner Asch
Oh well done sir..veddyveddy well done indeed!
Gunner
rayk...@rnsmte.com
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Not to mention distribution.
Which is heavily weighted to the conservitive end of the political spectrum.
Ed Huntress
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 3:53 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>
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>
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>
>
>
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> > "Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> >news:bdjej5t45nikfgjhv...@4ax.com...
> >>http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-man...
>
> >> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> >> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> >> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> >> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> >> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
> > <snip>
>
> > So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>
> > Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
> > accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
> > reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>
> Hey, I think I saw that movie, too, but I fell asleep before Goldfinger
> took
> over the world. Or was that Dr. No? Oh, well.
>
> There is no such thing as an "Interpol officer." They can't make arrests.
> When any country works with Interpol, its own officers are seconded to
> Interpol's international coordinators, for multi-country pursuit of child
> pornographers, drug dealers, money launders, and so on.
>What? No bankers?
<g> Maybe. I've never seen their list of international crimes.
> But US law officers working with Interpol follow their own country's laws.
> Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
> does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>Yes, yes, Ed. Of course.
Yes, of course. The agreement is not a secret. Look it up.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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We can fix that. We could go to the range sometime. I was a certified rifle
instructor and no expert with handguns, but I can get you started safely.
You might even like it enough to get one. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
> On 12/27/2009 2:50 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>
I can agree with that one.
I'd really like to have a good match grade A1.
I'd hate to have to feed it.
But if push came to shooting? That's what I'd want.
Wes
cavelamb
My mantra teaching hand gun shooting...
"Finger *OFF* the trigger".
And "Don't point that thing at me or I'll bitch slay you!"
cavelamb
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I'm hoping you mean "bitch slap." <g>
Yes, I get out that old NRA manual from my rifle-instructor course every
time I take new guys to the range. Rangersucks could join my Liberal
Militia. d8-)
I'm short of ammo, though, and my favorite range has closed. I have to look
around for a new one. Meantime, I only load .32 H&R Magnum and .38 Spl. I
have to get some .45 ACP dies, seeing as how we have a shortage.
Ranger, I can bring .22, .32 S&W Long (Colt Pocket Positive),. .32 H&R
Magnum, .38 Spl., and, if I can get ammo, .45 ACP. You'll have fun.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
Wphew! <g>
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
Slaying students is bad for business...
They almost never pay their bills then.
Ed Huntress
Yeah, it's a little harsh. However, I sympathize with the feeling.
My dad, a former Marine (and Expert with the .45) used to tell about the
time a new recruit turned around from his shooting position to ask a
question and swung the gun behind the firing line. He was greeted with a
punch to the jaw from the instructor that knocked him cold.
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb
"OH MAN, Is he strict!".
Sheriff Bart
Blazing Saddles
Wes
>To correctley answer this question you must determine how many firearms
>have been manufactured by HSM types that are still in circulation and usable
>condition.
I have two that my uncle made. I'm commencing a RG-G Gatling gun this winter as in the
next few days since the shop functional.
I converse with a guy that makes a gun every couple months or so. He likes to make
reproductions for fun.
Buerste
$3/box to reload. Now, what was that excuse?
Buerste
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:24:50 -0700, wmbjk...@citlink.net wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27 -0800, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>>><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first
>>>>> one bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge.
>>>>> Still have and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one
>>>>> handgun. Bet I got less than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in
>>>>> the middle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>
>>>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>>>owns...a considerable excess......
>>>
>>>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>>>adding them into the collection.
>>>
>>>
>>>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/7473676d8c1b302b
>>
>> So, were you lying then, or lying now?
>
> The two are not mutually exclusive.
>
>> Wayne
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Vote Republican, Suffering Builds Character
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't get involved in a gun discussion. Instead of just reminding people
you are a fool, you remind them that you are a target.
Gunner Asch
cavelamb
Well, that WILL help him rememner...
:)
Buerste
What? No bankers?
> But US law officers working with Interpol follow their own country's laws.
> Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
> does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
Yes, yes, Ed. Of course.
The leftists wanted the UN to monitor elections in the USA during and
after the Nov 99 election.
Don't be surprised if they show up under Obama's watch in 2010 or
especially 2012, when the left over TARP money just wasn't enough to
buy loyalty and things start going south.
*************************************************
Just like the Nazis were there to PROTECT the Jews and couldn't do anything
outside the law. Wink-wink-nudge-nudge... The worst of it is, nobody will
ever know what the agents of the libtards do. It sure won't be on the
State-Controlled Media. But, gun confiscation is best for all of us,
especially the children...do it for the children!
Buerste
<snip>
> My mantra teaching hand gun shooting...
> "Finger *OFF* the trigger".
>
> And "Don't point that thing at me or I'll bitch slay you!"
Have the students repeat the 4 rules over and over, out loud, continuously.
They have to become second nature.
Doug White
news:4b37fd28$0$5008$607e...@cv.net:
>
> "rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:00f03ede-4f6f-4916...@r14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Dec 27, 5:51 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 4:20 pm, "David R.Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > You mean some of you know how many guns you have...?
>>
>> > David
>>
>> Apparently only Karl does. None of the other big strong men in this
>> group seem to be willing to put their cards on the table.
>
>>I, by the way have zero guns.
>
> We can fix that. We could go to the range sometime. I was a certified
> rifle instructor and no expert with handguns, but I can get you
> started safely.
>
> You might even like it enough to get one. d8-)
If Johnny goes to school and doesn't learn how to add, he may learn it
later, and he's not particularly dangerous. Being a pistol instructor puts
much higher demands on your teaching skills. On the basis of a 3 hour
safety lecture, I was willing to go into the range the next night and give
15 total strangers loaded handguns. I've taught several hundred people how
to shoot, and we never had a serious accident. I typically had an
assistant instructor for every 2 or 3 students. By the end of class, most
of the students could keep all their shots on a standard 50 foot target.
This was at MIT, and we tended to get reasonably bright students, although
there were exceptions.
I now teach as an assistant instructor with another club. Their course are
open to the public. All live firing is done with an instructor working
individually with each student. About 15 years ago they had a woman sign
up for the course with the sole purpose of committing suicide. She managed
to get one shot into her head before an instructor could stop her. She
survived, but with extensive brain damage. It still gives me the willies
just thinking about it.
Doug White
Ed Huntress
"Doug White" <gwh...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns9CEED328B3D90...@69.16.186.7...
'Sounds like the right way to do it.
> About 15 years ago they had a woman sign
> up for the course with the sole purpose of committing suicide. She
> managed
> to get one shot into her head before an instructor could stop her. She
> survived, but with extensive brain damage. It still gives me the willies
> just thinking about it.
>
> Doug White
Good God. You never know what occupational hazards will turn up on the job.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
>rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I, by the way have zero guns.
>
>
>Good story, stick to it ;)
>
>Wes
He probably doesnt. Felons and the mentally disturbed are not allowed
firearms.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gunner Asch
>"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>To correctley answer this question you must determine how many firearms
>>have been manufactured by HSM types that are still in circulation and usable
>>condition.
>
>I have two that my uncle made. I'm commencing a RG-G Gatling gun this winter as in the
>next few days since the shop functional.
I saw one with a very illegal electric motor attached to it, once upon a
time. Complete with ammo feeder that would hold a full brick..500
rounds.
It was fascinating as hell to watch the owner shooting it..and what the
targets looked like after they were simply obliterated by 22lrs.
>
>I converse with a guy that makes a gun every couple months or so. He likes to make
>reproductions for fun.
>
>
>Wes
The big problem I have with making guns..is I hate woodworking. Im not
great at it..so while the metal work is fine..my stocks tend to look
like something shit out of the inflamed back end of a rabid and sickly
beaver.
Sigh
David R.Birch
>> What? No bankers?
>
> <g> Maybe. I've never seen their list of international crimes.
How about a visit to Iceland or Ireland?
David
Ed Huntress
"David R.Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hh94p...@news7.newsguy.com...
Is that where they're hiding? I understand that some of the ones here in NJ
are dressing down, so they won't be recognized. No kidding.
--
Ed Huntress
robert bowman
> It's still more accurate than I am, but I just bought a house with a
> 10 meter basement, so I might have to buy some fancy gun and a scuba
> tank next year.
Go for the IZH-46M and skip the scuba tank. The $1600 you'll save over a
Feinwerkbau will buy a lot of pellets, too.
rangerssuck
> "rangerssuck" <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Ed -
Thanks for the offer, and I may take you up on it someday. I'm pretty
certain that I mentioned it before, but I'm actually a former NRA
member. I used to shoot (a LONG time ago) .22 target rifles. 8th bar
sharpshooter is as far as I went with that.On a casual basis, I used
to frequent an indoor range on Rt 46 in Lodi (I think, it was maybe 35
years ago). I had a change of directions (maybe you could say I grew
up), and haven't touched a rifle or handgun since, except for a couple
of turkey shoots at the local police range.
Maybe someday, but not likely for self-defense. Just for fun.
rangerssuck
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:03:17 -0500, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
> >rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I, by the way have zero guns.
>
> >Good story, stick to it ;)
>
> >Wes
>
> He probably doesnt. Felons and the mentally disturbed are not allowed
> firearms.
>
> Gunner
>
rangerssuck
Martin H. Eastburn
Martin
rangerssuck
I actually considered making one of those a few years back, just
because it's so damned cool.
Bro
Do you guys really want to wave your dicks where the feds can watch?
Steve B
"Karl Townsend" <karl_tow...@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:hh8b47$mtg$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still
> have and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got
> less than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>
> Karl
Dang. My wife gave me a 870 Wingmaster 12 for Xmas in 1974. It cost $138
new at K Mart. I still have it. How old is yours? It's a damn nice gun,
isn't it?
As for the question, I have to go count them. As a guess, I'll say 15.
I'll get back with the real number once I count them. I have them around
the house in various locations. Now if I can remember where I put them all
....................
Steve
Steve B
"Frank" <frankperi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hh8fpa$i44$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/27/2009 2:50 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> More than enough, plus maintenance kits and plenty of ammunition.
>
> The stock answer is more than I need but less than I want ;)
A man can't have too many guns. With women, it's shoes.
Steve
Steve B
> cavelamb wrote:
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> On Dec 27, 5:51 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 27, 4:20 pm, "David R.Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You mean some of you know how many guns you have...?
>>>>> David
>>>> Apparently only Karl does. None of the other big strong men in this
>>>> group seem to be willing to put their cards on the table.
>>>
>>>
>>> rifle instructor and no expert with handguns, but I can get you started
>>> safely.
>>>
>>> You might even like it enough to get one. d8-)
>>>
>>
>> "Finger *OFF* the trigger".
>>
>> And "Don't point that thing at me or I'll bitch slay you!"
>
I like the first one better. One of the guys in one of my classes was
tossed for that. "Get your shit and leave!" was all the instructor said.
Steve
Steve B
>
> He probably doesnt. Felons and the mentally disturbed are not allowed
> firearms.
>
> Gunner
Hey, I resemble that remark! Well, half of it.
Steve
Steve B
"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwh...@fuse.net> wrote
...and I'm always looking for a nice .357 snubby.
I like, and have the S+W stainless 2" barrel.
Steve
Steve B
"Bro" <john.a...@doj.gov> wrote
> Do you guys really want to wave your dicks where the feds can watch?
You have to pass a FBI and AFIS check to get a CCF. And there's lots of
paperwork just to take a new puppy home. They know who we are and where to
come get us. That's when things should get interesting.
Steve
robert bowman
> Do you guys really want to wave your dicks where the feds can watch?
afaik, there is little interest in dicks when they are 10 meter Olympic
quality air pistols. A 7.1 gram, .177 projectile at 400 or 500 fps doesn't
even inspire fear in a healthy rat.
However, if you've never filled out a 4473, never belonged to the NRA or
GOA, never have belonged to an organization like USPSA, never bought a
hunting license, or never belonged to a range, you might be able to fly
under the radar. While you're at it, you might want to refine any opinions
you express in public, or better yet, just remain silent.
HH&C
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:24:50 -0700, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27 -0800, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
> >><hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> one bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge.
> >>>> Still have and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one
> >>>> handgun. Bet I got less than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in
> >>>> the middle.
>
> >>>> Karl
>
>
> >>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
> >>owns...a considerable excess......
>
> >>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
> >>adding them into the collection.
>
> >>A very considerable excess actually.
>
> >>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>
> > gummer, Nov 2/2009 "I dont have any guns anymore. I sold them to my dad"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/7473676d8c1b302b
>
> > So, were you lying then, or lying now?
>
> The two are not mutually exclusive.
Which amendment are you referring to?
HH&C
> "Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hh8nl1$2gt$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Regards, Curly
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Vote Republican, Suffering Builds Character
>
> Don't get involved in a gun discussion. Instead of just reminding people
> you are a fool, you remind them that you are a target.
The Catholics in Argentina (about 98% of the population) will bludgeon
him with a gold candle stick holder when they discover what he's been
saying about them.
HH&C
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27
> -0800 in misc.survivalism:
>
> >On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
> ><hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
> >>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
> >>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
> >>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>
> >>> Karl
>
> >>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>
> >Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
> >owns...a considerable excess......
>
> >Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
> >adding them into the collection.
>
They're nothing like Squirrelly, though. He hates God.
> always burying caches of arms.
> There are so many arms buried about the emerald Island, that even if
> you can't recall exactly where you buried yours, someone will have
> buried some where you dig. "Aye, woman, these are not the guns we
> buried. These are the O'hooligans. Well, waste not..."
>
> >A very considerable excess actually.
>
> >And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>
> >Gunner
>
> >>FWIW, my Dad gave me a 16 gage when I was 11. The 2nd ID gave me an
> >>M16A2 but took it back. Talk about Indian Givers... ;^)
> -
> pyotr filipivich.
> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Mossberg sells a shotgun with it's own burial vault. I wonder what
they knew, and when they knew it?
Ed Huntress
On Dec 27, 7:34 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "rangerssuck" <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:00f03ede-4f6f-4916...@r14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 5:51 pm, rangerssuck <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 27, 4:20 pm, "David R.Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > You mean some of you know how many guns you have...?
>
> > > David
>
> > Apparently only Karl does. None of the other big strong men in this
> > group seem to be willing to put their cards on the table.
> >I, by the way have zero guns.
>
> We can fix that. We could go to the range sometime. I was a certified
> rifle
> instructor and no expert with handguns, but I can get you started safely.
>
> You might even like it enough to get one. d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
Ed -
>Thanks for the offer, and I may take you up on it someday. I'm pretty
>certain that I mentioned it before, but I'm actually a former NRA
>member. I used to shoot (a LONG time ago) .22 target rifles. 8th bar
>sharpshooter is as far as I went with that.
Ha! Me too! Eight bars. At age 12. My eyes were better then. <g>
>On a casual basis, I used
>to frequent an indoor range on Rt 46 in Lodi (I think, it was maybe 35
>years ago). I had a change of directions (maybe you could say I grew
>up), and haven't touched a rifle or handgun since, except for a couple
>of turkey shoots at the local police range.
>
>Maybe someday, but not likely for self-defense. Just for fun.
OK. I much prefer rifles, but there are very few rifle ranges in NJ, unless
you join a club. So I shoot handguns.
--
Ed Huntress
HH&C
> Karl Townsend wrote:
> > Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
> > bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still have
> > and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got less
> > than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>
> > Karl
>
> that the US Shooting Team was selling to raise funds for the '84
> Olympics. Still have it, and shoot a match every monday night with it.
> It's still more accurate than I am, but I just bought a house with a
> 10 meter basement, so I might have to buy some fancy gun and a scuba
> tank next year.
>
> with our Bullseye league she finally found a gun that fits her small
> left-handed self, so now I'm looking for a S&W 22A with a dot for her
> to use...and I'm always looking for a nice .357 snubby.
I shot a Taurus titanium 357 snubby once. It would be wunnerful to
carry, and would get the job done, but it wasn't for pleasure.
HH&C
The gov't knows more about me than my mother. That's why they keep
letting me buy firearms, despite what doofus TMT thinks.
And my Daisy 717 really could shoot Bro's eye out.
HH&C
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:87af08ea-491e-4607...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 3:53 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:%qPZm.16132$eH1....@newsfe16.iad...
>
> > > "Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> > >news:bdjej5t45nikfgjhv...@4ax.com...
> > >>http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-man...
>
> > >> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> > >> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> > >> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> > >> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> > >> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
> > > <snip>
>
> > > So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>
> > > Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
> > > accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
> > > reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>
> > Hey, I think I saw that movie, too, but I fell asleep before Goldfinger
> > took
> > over the world. Or was that Dr. No? Oh, well.
>
> > There is no such thing as an "Interpol officer." They can't make arrests.
> > When any country works with Interpol, its own officers are seconded to
> > Interpol's international coordinators, for multi-country pursuit of child
> > pornographers, drug dealers, money launders, and so on.
> >What? No bankers?
>
> <g> Maybe. I've never seen their list of international crimes.
Welp, there are some Swiss banks being investigated for showing
investors how to get around the Iranian sanctions.
> > But US law officers working with Interpol follow their own country's laws.
> > Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
> > does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
>
> > --
> > Ed Huntress
> >Yes, yes, Ed. Of course.
>
> Yes, of course. The agreement is not a secret. Look it up.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
HH&C
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:38:22 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>
>
>
>
>
> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 27, 4:22 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:27:46 -0500, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:bdjej5t45nikfgjhv...@4ax.com...
> >> >>http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-man...
>
> >> >> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
> >> >> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
> >> >> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>
> >> >> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
> >> >> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
> >> ><snip>
>
> >> >So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>
> >> >Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
> >> >accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
> >> >reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>
> >> Interpol has its first causualty while "on duty" in the US?
>
> >Nope. Not me.
>
> >> And will anyone be caught?
>
> >> Gunner
>
> >It will probably look like a mechanical failure on a GM product. Dan
> >Rather will do some investigative reporting. There will be massive
> >recalls and Obama will fire more GM execs. Alex Jones will say it was
> >an inside job. Cliff will believe it. Curly will still be shouting
> >about "CrazyMotherFuckers" and listing all of the books he's read
> >except for one... Catcher In The Rye.
>
> >Does that sound about right?
>
> Oh well done sir..veddyveddy well done indeed!
>
> Gunner-
I try to state just the facts.
Joe Friday.
Steve B
Really.
Steve
Gunner Asch
I really dont ..dont..dont want to know which half.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gunner Asch
Hell yes! My ex has more shoes than I have guns by a significant
number!! Closets full! Bins full! Bags full! Shoes she bought, wore
once then never wore again!
Thankfully..she buys em at the second hand store..cringe..I
think...cringe......
Gunner, not sure if he really wants to know or not......brrrrrrr
pyotr filipivich
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009
21:27:09 -0800 (PST) in misc.survivalism:
>> >> Wayne >> > Regards, Curly
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>> > � � � � � � �Vote Republican, Suffering Builds Character
>>
>> you are a fool, you remind them that you are a target.
>
>The Catholics in Argentina (about 98% of the population) will bludgeon
>him with a gold candle stick holder when they discover what he's been
>saying about them.
There still a lot of vast expanses of pampas down there. Finest
cattle grazing real estate in the world. Just miles and miles, of
miles of grassland. Sort of like the High Desert country - only with
grass.
Gunner Asch
Really? Got a link? Ive not heard about this.
Gunner
Lib Loo
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:t2hgj55ek6lh60f43...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:32:08 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:28:01 -0500, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
>>>news:hh8nl1$2gt$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:24:50 -0700, wmbjk...@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>>>> <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>>>>>><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend"
>>>>>>><karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first
>>>>>>>> one bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12
>>>>>>>> gauge.
>>>>>>>> Still have and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one
>>>>>>>> handgun. Bet I got less than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the middle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>>>>>>owns...a considerable excess......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>>>>>>adding them into the collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A very considerable excess actually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> gummer, Nov 2/2009 "I dont have any guns anymore. I sold them to my
>>>>> dad"
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/7473676d8c1b302b
>>>>>
>>>>> So, were you lying then, or lying now?
>>>>
>>>> The two are not mutually exclusive.
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards, Curly
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Vote Republican, Suffering Builds Character
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Don't get involved in a gun discussion. Instead of just reminding people
>>>you are a fool, you remind them that you are a target.
>>
>>
>>Indeed...oh yessss...indeed.
>
> You had the chance to show up for a meet of your own making. You
> screamed like a little girl and hid under your keyboard when you saw
> that your bluff didn't impress anyone.
What was that address where he was supposed to show up? Uh huh, thought so.
No wonder you're the Douchebag!
Lib Loo
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6mpfj5hp1r5v2a683...@4ax.com...
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27
> -0800 in misc.survivalism:
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
>>>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still
>>>> have
>>>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got
>>>> less
>>>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>
>>>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>>
>>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>>owns...a considerable excess......
>>
>>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>>adding them into the collection.
>
> "the Irish are like squirrels, always burying caches of arms.
> There are so many arms buried about the emerald Island, that even if
> you can't recall exactly where you buried yours, someone will have
> buried some where you dig. "Aye, woman, these are not the guns we
> buried. These are the O'hooligans. Well, waste not..."
O'hooligans living in O'boovervilles.
>>
>>A very considerable excess actually.
>>
>>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>>
Lib Loo
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:higgj59gorjp1fuu8...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:20:27 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:42:56 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>><hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 27, 2:04 pm, "Karl Townsend" <karl_townsend....@embarqmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Let's just take a poll of RCM regulars. I own eight guns. The first one
>>>> bought with my entire summer income at 12, a model 870 12 gauge. Still
>>>> have
>>>> and use it. Two of them are assault rifles and one handgun. Bet I got
>>>> less
>>>> than gunner and more than cliffy. Puts me in the middle.
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>
>>>I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>>
>>Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
>>owns...a considerable excess......
>
> You claim to have no property that you bill collectors could sell of
> to meet your debts (medical and otherwise).
>
>>
>>Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
>>adding them into the collection.
>>
>>A very considerable excess actually.
>>
>>And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>
> Money that would have been much better invested in a little health
> insurance.
>
>>
>>Gunner
>>
>>>
>>>FWIW, my Dad gave me a 16 gage when I was 11. The 2nd ID gave me an
>>>M16A2 but took it back. Talk about Indian Givers... ;^)
>
> Yet another lie from gunner. Still more proof that his claims of
> military service is a lie. Such things are not the kinds of mistakes
> that a real veteran, who lived with that damned rifle would be making.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle
>
> "The M16A2 rifle entered service in the 1980s,"
>
Why do you think they took it back? You really are a Douchebag!
Lib Loo
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=28§ion=products
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Should have been a folding stock rather than that rather worthless
pistol grip abortion.
Shrug..but..its a good first step.
Thanks!
Gunner
Pinstripe Sniper
commie "assault" rifles?
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc237/odesskiy/kalashnikovvodka.jpg
PsS
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Garlicdude
>>> Karl
>> I'd rather not say what I own, but rest assured that I am armed.
>
> Same here. Lets just say..that I own in excess of 5x of what Karl
> owns...a considerable excess......
>
> Some few are buried here and there as well..and I tend to forget about
> adding them into the collection.
>
> A very considerable excess actually.
>
> And suitable ammunition for the practical ones.
>
> Gunner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU
--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude �
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
Wes
>> My dad, a former Marine (and Expert with the .45) used to tell about the
>> time a new recruit turned around from his shooting position to ask a
>> question and swung the gun behind the firing line. He was greeted with a
>> punch to the jaw from the instructor that knocked him cold.
>>
>
>Well, that WILL help him rememner...
After his buddies tell him what happened ;)
Wes
Wes
>About 15 years ago they had a woman sign
>up for the course with the sole purpose of committing suicide. She managed
>to get one shot into her head before an instructor could stop her. She
>survived, but with extensive brain damage. It still gives me the willies
>just thinking about it.
Suicide is a selfish act.
Wes
Wes
>I used
>to frequent an indoor range on Rt 46 in Lodi (I think, it was maybe 35
>years ago).
Lodi, NJ?
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
HH&C
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that "HH&C"
> 21:27:09 -0800 (PST) in misc.survivalism:
>
> >> >> Wayne >> > Regards, Curly
> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---
> >> > Vote Republican, Suffering Builds Character
>
> >> Don't get involved in a gun discussion. Instead of just reminding people
> >> you are a fool, you remind them that you are a target.
>
> >The Catholics in Argentina (about 98% of the population) will bludgeon
> >him with a gold candle stick holder when they discover what he's been
> >saying about them.
>
> There still a lot of vast expanses of pampas down there.
If you were describing Curly, let me correct your spelling... pompous.
> Finest
> cattle grazing real estate in the world. Just miles and miles, of
> miles of grassland. Sort of like the High Desert country - only with
> grass.
And they have gotten into the international wine markets with their
excellent Malbec grapes.
Steak and red wine. Perfect. Mmmmm.
HH&C
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:56:39 -0600, "Lib Loo" <heezb...@crazymother.kom>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> >news:63rgj5pidvm2poq4v...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:31:39 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>
> Should have been a folding stock rather than that rather worthless
> pistol grip abortion.
>
> Shrug..but..its a good first step.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Good point.
HH&C
> Anybody seen or (better still) tried one of these rare/limited edtion
> commie "assault" rifles?
>
> http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc237/odesskiy/kalashnikovvodka.jpg
Very nice. Wonder if it tastes like machine oil?
> PsS
>
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HH&C
> commie "assault" rifles?
>
> http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc237/odesskiy/kalashnikovvodka.jpg
>
> PsS
>
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> A fictional account of how to drastically reform the financial world...
FWIW, Google has your blog labeled as "adult content."
Dan
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> On Dec 27, 3:53 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:%qPZm.16132$eH1....@newsfe16.iad...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> http://callejonextrano.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-many-guns-are-too-man...
>>>> HOW MANY GUNS ARE TOO MANY?
>>>> In order to properly discuss some aspects of the "gun control question"
>>>> we need a simple answer to a complex question.
>>>> How many guns and how many gun owners are there in America? That's a
>>>> good question. I wish there were an easy answer.
>>> <snip>
>>> So, how many is MY allotment? ...just - one - more...
>>> Now with Interpol being able to do the UN's bidding with impunity and no
>>> accountability in the US thanks to President Wee-Wee, guns, ammo and
>>> reloading components are high on the list for confiscation.
>> took
>> over the world. Or was that Dr. No? Oh, well.
>>
>> There is no such thing as an "Interpol officer." They can't make arrests.
>> When any country works with Interpol, its own officers are seconded to
>> Interpol's international coordinators, for multi-country pursuit of child
>> pornographers, drug dealers, money launders, and so on.
>
>> What? No bankers?
>
> <g> Maybe. I've never seen their list of international crimes.
>
>> Nothing is changed in that regard by the new agreement. All the agreement
>> does is to extend certain diplomatic privileges to Interpol agents.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
>> Yes, yes, Ed. Of course.
>
> Yes, of course. The agreement is not a secret. Look it up.
>
ever actually became educated).
Then what fun would life be?
Sad when a bunch of little boys think the adults are trying to take
their toys away...
Dan
Dan
HH&C
> Ed Huntress wrote:
> > "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Well, Dan, in Obama's first week in office his attny general laid out
the plan for AWB2, to include classifying most centerfire rifle
ammunition as "armor piercing." But by then Obama already had too
much on his plate and the AG retracted.
Burying your head in the sand is not how to become educated, but good
luck with that approach.
Ed Huntress
"Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:TW4_m.11354$yM1....@newsfe11.iad...
Don't disturb them. It keeps them occupied in their basements, oiling their
guns and making ammo, and out of real trouble.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
Pelosi and Reid let Holder know that he doesn't make the laws, and that they
oppose any such ban.
However, little has been said about the real effect and purpose of that
statement. Sales of guns and ammo went through the roof, stimulating the
economy with a shot of spending from an unlikely segment of society. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress