Glenn Beck Is a Communist
Cliff
http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-glenn-beck-is-a-communist.htm
"Jon Stewart Proves Glenn Beck Is a Communist"
[
Taking aim at one of his favorite right-wing punching bags, Jon Stewart slammed
Glenn Beck
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
over the anti-progressivism tirade he delivered at the Conservative Political
Action Conference.
During Beck's speech to the GOP faithful, he compared progressivism to
communism, explaining how progressives like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin
Roosevelt pushed for the income tax and universal health care. Beck boasted that
he learned all about their communist leanings by reading books in a library for
free. That prompted Jon Stewart to unload on him:
"Glenn, the library isn't free! It's paid for with tax money. Free public
libraries are the result of the Progressive movement to communally share books.
The first public library was the Boston public library in 1854. It's statement
of purpose: every citizen has the right to access community owned resources.
Community owned? That sounds just like communist. You're a communist!"
Watch the video,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
plus check out Stewart's complete review of CPAC,
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-22-2010/cpac-2010---rage-within-the-machine
or as he calls it, the "Festival of Whites."
...
]
Fred B. Brown
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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>
> http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-glenn-beck-is-a-communist.htm
> "Jon Stewart Proves Glenn Beck Is a Communist"
> [
> Taking aim at one of his favorite right-wing punching bags, Jon Stewart
> slammed
> Glenn Beck
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html
> over the anti-progressivism tirade he delivered at the Conservative
> Political
> Action Conference.
>
> During Beck's speech to the GOP faithful, he compared progressivism to
> communism, explaining how progressives like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin
> Roosevelt pushed for the income tax and universal health care. Beck
> boasted that
> he learned all about their communist leanings by reading books in a
> library for
> free. That prompted Jon Stewart to unload on him:
> "Glenn, the library isn't free! It's paid for with tax money. Free public
> libraries are the result of the Progressive movement to communally share
> books.
> The first public library was the Boston public library in 1854. It's
> statement
> of purpose: every citizen has the right to access community owned
> resources.
> Community owned? That sounds just like communist. You're a communist!"
Progressives and communists both have the same goal, strip the people of
their
rights and absolute government control of their lives. Barck Obama has
repeatedly
stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should be
scrapped.
If Obama had his way a new Constitution would have ALL POWER vested in the
government and there would be no Bill Of Rights.
Name one communist or progressive socialist country that has a Constution
and
Bill Of Rights the same as Americans do.
No other country in the world has the guaranteed rights and freedoms we do.
Buerste
> "Jon Stewart Proves Obammy Is a Communist"
>
Well said!
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Yes for a bin Ladin supporter.
Darrell Stec
> Barck Obama has
> repeatedly
> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should be
> scrapped.
You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
things in public.
Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
--
Later,
Darrell
Fred B. Brown
"Darrell Stec" <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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Obama rips U.S. Constitution
Faults Supreme Court for not mandating 'redistribution of wealth'
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Posted: October 27, 2008
1:46 pm Eastern
� 2010 WorldNetDaily
Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the
Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate
said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed
Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.
Read the rest and view the video at:
Darrell Stec
>
> "Darrell Stec" <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:7ula93...@mid.individual.net...
>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Barck Obama has
>>> repeatedly
>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>> be scrapped.
>>
>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
>> things in public.
>>
>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>
>> --
>> Later,
>> Darrell
>
> Obama rips U.S. Constitution
> Faults Supreme Court for not mandating 'redistribution of wealth'
>
>
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> Posted: October 27, 2008
> 1:46 pm Eastern
>
> © 2010 WorldNetDaily
>
You lost, the very second you used the WingNutDaily as a source.
> Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the
> Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate
> said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally
> flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of
> wealth.
>
> Read the rest and view the video at:
>
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79225
Did you actually listen to that radio broadcast? There was nothing in it
that event hinted that "Barck Obama has repeatedly stated the the
Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should be scrapped."
He simply said that the Constitution does not allow for the redistribution
of wealth and that the court system is not set up for that function either.
Nothing whatsoever about scrapping the Constitution. And just in case you
failed to attend history and civics classes in grade school and high school,
the Founding Fathers provided a mechanism for adapting to changes in regards
to the Constitution. It was called an amendment. They used that very
mechanism themselves before they died.
--
Later,
Darrell
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
They do have treatments available for BDS. Though possibly in your case a
lobotomy might be the ticket.
--
God, guns and guts made America great.
And Janet Napolitano nervous.
Which should tell you all you need to know about Democrats. How can one
restore America to greatness if greatness makes you uncomfortable?
Gray Ghost
Yes, if a fact comes from someone you don't like it's not a fact. Why don't
you stand on a train track and argue with a locomotive.
Darrell Stec
> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Barck Obama has
>>> repeatedly
>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>> be scrapped.
>>
>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
>> things in public.
>>
>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>
>
> They do have treatments available for BDS. Though possibly in your case a
> lobotomy might be the ticket.
>
I see you couldn't answer the question either. Such ignorance as you
display would mean that a lobotomy for you wouldn't hurt.
--
Later,
Darrell
Darrell Stec
So you can't refute what I said, so you insult. Typical Republicon/Fundy
behavior.
--
Later,
Darrell
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
Don't have to refute that which has not been proven. You were not smart enough
to prove your statement so there is nothing to refute. You are simply another
fanatic who hates Bush, as common as weeds in the summer.
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
Don't have to refute that which has not been proven. You were not smart enough
to prove your statement so there is nothing to refute. You are simply another
fanatic who hates Bush, as common as weeds in the summer.
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Don't take Grey Goo seriously.
He doesn't even know his own personal data.
And he doesn't pay up when he loses a bet either.
TMT
Darrell Stec
Are you always that daft? You made a statement concerning Obama. Your
links did not support your stupid assertion. What was there for me to
prove? I only had to make a factual statement that your link did not
support you, prima facia evidence. If something were not present then it
must be absent. You failed to provide evidence of your assertion.
--
Later,
Darrell
Darrell Stec
> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7um75pFs6cU5
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>
>>> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Barck Obama has
>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>>>> be scrapped.
>>>>
>>>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state
>>>> such things in public.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They do have treatments available for BDS. Though possibly in your case
>>> a lobotomy might be the ticket.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I see you couldn't answer the question either. Such ignorance as you
>> display would mean that a lobotomy for you wouldn't hurt.
>>
>
> Don't have to refute that which has not been proven. You were not smart
> enough to prove your statement so there is nothing to refute. You are
> simply another fanatic who hates Bush, as common as weeds in the summer.
>
Another nut case who can't even use a real name. You are an idiot so
ashamed of your own opinion you have to hide behind anonymity. You made the
POSITIVE assertion about Obama and therefore it is you, who must provide the
evidence. You link did not demonstrate what you claimed.
There was nothing for me to prove because I only needed to point out your
link said nothing about your absurd claim.
Where do you idiots some from?
--
Later,
Darrell
Klaus Schadenfreude
> Don't take Grey Goo seriously.
>
> He doesn't even know his own personal data.
>
> And he doesn't pay up when he loses a bet either.
Pretty funny coming from Mr. T. M. "I'm Coming To Visit You" Tools.
[chuckle]
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
Can't follow threads either? I didn't post any links. I commented on your
idiot comment the WorldNetDaily, which you referred to as WingNutDaily (a
perjorativce if ever I read on) wasn't a credible source of news. Which means
if I can find at least one credible news story on WND than your assertion is
wrong. Your attack was based on the source not the actual content. This is
typical of a certain mindset that prefers bullying to democracy. A real
Alinskyite. Another corpse for the pyre.
Gray Ghost
Hey moron, I made no postive assertion regarding Obmam, Beck or the weather, I
poted no links. I criticised you for attacking the source.
You have nothing to prove because you have nothing.
> There was nothing for me to prove because I only needed to point out your
> link said nothing about your absurd claim.
>
> Where do you idiots some from?
We come up behind you and make you jump.
BTW the name is Frank Tauss, I've posted my address numerous times, fucktard.
The real "Grey Ghost" is an historical figure, you have well established your
illiteracy. Another asshole Obamaton, mindnumbed robot of the left.
Cliff
>
>� 2010 WorldNetDaily
Word Nutz Daily?
That den of paid liars?
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Cliff
Lookout
Thread killed.
Shall not be infringed
wrote:
> http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/2010/02/23/jon-stewart-proves-glenn...
> "Jon Stewart Proves Glenn Beck Is a Communist"
> [
> Taking aim at one of his favorite right-wing punching bags, Jon Stewart slammed
> over the anti-progressivism tirade he delivered at the Conservative Political
> Action Conference.
>
> During Beck's speech to the GOP faithful, he compared progressivism to
> communism, explaining how progressives like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin
> Roosevelt pushed for the income tax and universal health care. Beck boasted that
> he learned all about their communist leanings by reading books in a library for
> free. That prompted Jon Stewart to unload on him:
> "Glenn, the library isn't free! It's paid for with tax money. Free public
> libraries are the result of the Progressive movement to communally share books.
> The first public library was the Boston public library in 1854. It's statement
> of purpose: every citizen has the right to access community owned resources.
> Community owned? That sounds just like communist. You're a communist!"
> plus check out Stewart's complete review of CPAC,http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-22-2010/cpac-2010---ra...
> or as he calls it, the "Festival of Whites."
> ...
> ]
John Leibowitz is a pretty funny guy when he's playing Jon Stewart on
TV.
Try not to get all of your political information from a comedian,
though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_library
A Carnegie library is a library built with money donated by Scottish-
American businessman and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie. More than
2,500 Carnegie libraries were built, including some belonging to
public and university library systems.
Of the 2,509 such libraries funded between 1883 and 1929, 1,689 were
built in the United States, 660 in Britain and Ireland, 125 in Canada,
and others in Australia, New Zealand, Serbia, the Caribbean, and Fiji.
[citation needed] Very few towns that requested a grant and agreed to
his terms were refused. When the last grant was made in 1919, there
were 3,500 libraries in the United States, nearly half of them built
with construction grants paid by Carnegie.
Gray Ghost
> Fred B. Brown wrote:
Why yes i've heard audio of Obamao calling the Constitution flawed. Can you
produce anything where Bush says what you claim he did?
I didn't think so. Delusions and hallucinations are a not a vaction
destination.
Seon Ferguson
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2BE802118ABWe...@216.196.97.142...
> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Barck Obama has
>>> repeatedly
>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>> be
>>> scrapped.
>>
>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
>> things in public.
>>
>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>
>
> Why yes i've heard audio of Obamao calling the Constitution flawed. Can
> you
> produce anything where Bush says what you claim he did?
>
> I didn't think so. Delusions and hallucinations are a not a vaction
> destination.
>
Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper. The issue
isn't republican vs democrat or left vs right. But Glen beck is a hypocrite.
On one hand he says we should ask questions but when people ask questions he
doesn't like they are part of some dangerous cult.
Darrell Stec
> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Barck Obama has
>>> repeatedly
>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>> be scrapped.
>>
>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
>> things in public.
>>
>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>
>
> Why yes i've heard audio
Or imagined them.
> of Obamao calling the Constitution flawed.
So did the Founding Fathers who wrote it. They knew society would change
and that is why they created a mechanism for change called amendments.
> Can
> you produce anything where Bush says what you claim he did?
>
You still haven't produced anything that demonstrates what the Wing Nut
Daily article claimed. The accompanying video certainly didn't.
> I didn't think
If you had stopped right there you would have been accurate.
> so. Delusions and hallucinations are a not a vaction
> destination.
>
But they are certainly yours.
--
Later,
Darrell
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
> Gray Ghost wrote:
>
>> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Barck Obama has
>>>> repeatedly
>>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>>> be scrapped.
>>>
>>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state such
>>> things in public.
>>>
>>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>>
>>
>> Why yes i've heard audio
>
>
> Or imagined them.
>
>> of Obamao calling the Constitution flawed.
>
> So did the Founding Fathers who wrote it. They knew society would change
> and that is why they created a mechanism for change called amendments.
>
And did you hear the part about Obama was dissapointed that the Constitution
and SC didn't address redistribution of wealth.
>> Can
>> you produce anything where Bush says what you claim he did?
>>
>
> You still haven't produced anything that demonstrates what the Wing Nut
> Daily article claimed. The accompanying video certainly didn't.
>
Hey drooling moron, I didn't post the link. Is your brain atrophied?
>> I didn't think
>
> If you had stopped right there you would have been accurate.
>
>> so. Delusions and hallucinations are a not a vaction destination.
>>
>
> But they are certainly yours.
>
Know what you angry little snot, fuck off. When I want your opinion in the
future I;ll scrape you off my show.
Darrell Stec
> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7uru61FapmU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>
>>> Darrell Stec <dar...@neo.rr.com> wrote in news:7ula93F9sjU1
>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> Fred B. Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Barck Obama has
>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>> stated the the Constitution and Bill Of Rights are outdated and should
>>>>> be scrapped.
>>>>
>>>> You are confusing him with Georgie Boy Bush, who actually did state
>>>> such things in public.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any speeches or videos where Obama stated what you claim?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why yes i've heard audio
>>
>>
>> Or imagined them.
>>
>>> of Obamao calling the Constitution flawed.
>>
>> So did the Founding Fathers who wrote it. They knew society would change
>> and that is why they created a mechanism for change called amendments.
>>
>
> And did you hear the part about Obama was dissapointed that the
> Constitution and SC didn't address redistribution of wealth.
>
And did you read the part about the Constitution would not serve the future
and therefore the Founding Fathers inculcated a mechanism for change? If it
were perfect and would serve all future generations as is, why would they do
that?
You Fundie Neocons are all alike, you only see what you want to believe and
somebody like Beck has to tell you what to believe.
>>> Can
>>> you produce anything where Bush says what you claim he did?
>>>
>>
>> You still haven't produced anything that demonstrates what the Wing Nut
>> Daily article claimed. The accompanying video certainly didn't.
>>
>
> Hey drooling moron, I didn't post the link. Is your brain atrophied?
>
But you supported the OP and threw some cheap shots at me in support of it.
Therefore you agreed with the OP and agreed that the video supported the OP
and the Wing Nut Daily. Did you tell the OP that the link did not support
his/her claim? NO. Therefore your actions and subsequent posts agreed.
Since this is an open forum then the same questions and comments directed
towards the OP apply to you too.
>>> I didn't think
>>
>> If you had stopped right there you would have been accurate.
>>
>>> so. Delusions and hallucinations are a not a vaction destination.
>>>
>>
>> But they are certainly yours.
>>
>
> Know what you angry little snot, fuck off. When I want your opinion in the
> future I;ll scrape you off my show.
>
On you on the Glenn Beck show? By the way use of vulgarity, obscenity and
profanity demonstrates you are reflecting. You have no evidence to back up
your position so you become an angry little snot.
Hell, you are so ashamed of your own opinions and posts you hide behind a
pseudonym. Why would you think anyone would take you seriously?
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Darrell
RD (The Sandman)
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He's a good speaker and presenter.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
--Joseph T. Chew
Seon Ferguson
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yes and he does appeal to the common American who is sitting in the bar
talking about this sort of stuff.
Gray Ghost
> Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper.
I hear that claim made repeatedly but noone ever cites where it comes from.
Which sorta tells me how true it is.
Tim Miller
> Know what you angry little snot, fuck off. When I want your opinion in the
> future I;ll scrape you off my show.
>
You really shouldn't post while drunk, coward... of course, that would
eliminate ALL your posts, wouldn't it?
ROFLMAO@U!!
RD (The Sandman)
I disagree with a lot of that he says, but he is interesting to listen
to. ;)
Seon Ferguson
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2C986A7...@216.196.97.130...
I disagree with a lot of what fox news say but they sure are entertaining
and they know how to entertain their viewers. From becks crying to Orilleys
"no spin zone" I can't get enough.
Seon Ferguson
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:M5ydnTifyaxZAxXW...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper.
>
> I hear that claim made repeatedly but noone ever cites where it comes
> from.
> Which sorta tells me how true it is.
>
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html
Also the fact that the patriot act, military commission act and john warner
defense act are all un constitutional acts that kind of backs up the view
that Bush could have possible said that.
While fact check has a point about the reporter getting 2 sources right the
reporter has a point about getting 98% of the rest of what he said right.
Here is one that is not in question though. Bush said there ought to be
limits to freedom
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/may99/052699a.htm well what are
those limits, mr Bush?
Gray Ghost
>
>
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D2CA86AE6D9We...@216.196.97.142...
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:M5ydnTifyaxZAxXW...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>> Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper.
>>
>> I hear that claim made repeatedly but noone ever cites where it comes
>> from. Which sorta tells me how true it is.
>>
> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitu
> tion_a.html
>
> Also the fact that the patriot act, military commission act and john
> warner defense act are all un constitutional acts that kind of backs up
> the view that Bush could have possible said that.
>
> While fact check has a point about the reporter getting 2 sources right
> the reporter has a point about getting 98% of the rest of what he said
> right.
>
The reporter probably can't even get his own name right. He should be in
rehab.
Let me guess, you ride on a special short bus on the way to school don't you.
Did you even the fucking page, moron?
Q:
Did President Bush call the Constitution a "goddamned piece of paper?"
Is it true that President Bush called the Constitution a "goddamned piece of
paper?" He has never denied it, and it appears that there were several
witnesses.
A:
Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of
quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories.
The report that Bush "screamed" those words at Republican congressional
leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.
We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes
from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony
sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers.
What part of this is unclear, you dullard? Do you need it ecplained word for
word? This is just another insane bit of bullshit from one of BDS afflicted
bottom feeders.
Want more?
The Quote
The report was posted on Dec. 5, 2005. According to author, Doug Thompson,
unnamed Republican leaders complained to Bush during a White House meeting
about "onerous" portions of the USA Patriot Act, prompting the following:
Capitol Hill Blue: �I don�t give a goddamn,� Bush retorted. �I�m the
President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.�
�Mr. President,� one aide in the meeting said. �There is a valid case that
the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.�
�Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,� Bush screamed back. �It�s
just a goddamned piece of paper!�
The evidence
There's no record of Bush ever using these words in public and no other news
organization has reported him using them privately. Thompson based his report
on three sources whom he didn't name. He gave the date of the quote as "last
month," which would put it sometime in November 2005.
Thompson told us he once removed the story from his Web site when others
raised doubts and no other news organization came up with a similar story. But
he said he later reinstated it and currently believes it to be true. "I wrote
the story and I stand by it," Thompson said in a telephone interview.
Thompson told us he based the story on e-mail messages from three persons he
knows, all of whom claim to have been present at a White House meeting and to
have heard Bush make the statement. He said he finds their account credible:
"Sometimes I just have to go with my gut, and my gut tells me he did say
this."
"There's no record of Bush ever using these words in public and no other news
organization has reported him using them privately." Is that clear enough for
you?
> Here is one that is not in question though. Bush said there ought to be
> limits to freedom
> http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/may99/052699a.htm well what are
> those limits, mr Bush?
Oh yeah another BDS fucktard, single source. Hoo wee, you are batting them out
of the park, today.
Wait isn't this why I killfiled you in the first place?
My God you are a fucktard! How do you function day by day?
"Stupid is as stupid does" Lt Dan from Forest Gump, and Sean you are the
Gumpiest.
Gray Ghost
news:hmc4ek$g3f$8...@news.eternal-september.org:
Says the dickhead with the big mouth that won't put his money where his mouth
is. Even on something where he should win easily, if he's right.
Gray Ghost
I expect there are a lot of things you can't get enough of.
>
>> --
>> Sleep well tonight,
>>
>> RD (The Sandman)
>>
>> "Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
>> possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
>> to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
>>
>> --Joseph T. Chew
>
>
--
Seon Ferguson
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh wait you killfilled me? I guess you can't tolerate people who have
different views to you. I used to be a huge Obama fan but even then I never
killfilled anyone who hated him. So I guess I like free speech more than you
and I'm an Australian. I can't be bothered with the likes of you anymore,
see you in the funny pages.
Gray Ghost
>
>
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D2CD7452318EWe...@216.196.97.142...
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:NqydnQ-kH5g9ABTW...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D2CA86AE6D9We...@216.196.97.142...
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:M5ydnTifyaxZAxXW...@westnet.com.au:
>>>>
>>>>> Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper.
>>>>
>>>> I hear that claim made repeatedly but noone ever cites where it comes
>>>> from. Which sorta tells me how true it is.
>>>>
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_consti
>>> tu tion_a.html
No I can't tolerate Stupid people. There is a difference. I will always listen
to another opinion, if it is rational; and intelligent.
> never killfilled anyone who hated him. So I guess I like free speech more
> than you and I'm an Australian. I can't be bothered with the likes of you
> anymore, see you in the funny pages.
OK stupid, free speech means you can say what you want. it does not mean I
have to listen to the blithering of idiots. Who incidentally apparently don't
even understand thier own cites that indicate how wrong they are.
Seon Ferguson
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2CEC31C42A8We...@216.196.97.142...
You must be a really pathetic person to result in childish name calling.
Your how old and act like a immature child? I feel very sorry for the likes
of you. I won't be wasting my time with you until you learn to play nice.
Bye bye.
Gray Ghost
>
>
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D2CEC31C42A8We...@216.196.97.142...
>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:C-mdnf3gS65PRBTW...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D2CD7452318EWe...@216.196.97.142...
>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:NqydnQ-kH5g9ABTW...@westnet.com.au:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Xns9D2CA86AE6D9We...@216.196.97.142...
>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:M5ydnTifyaxZAxXW...@westnet.com.au:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bush also said the Constitution is a God damn peace of paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hear that claim made repeatedly but noone ever cites where it
>>>>>> comes from. Which sorta tells me how true it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_cons
>>>>> ti tu tion_a.html
I don't play with morons that make idiot statments that aren't true and then
choose cites for them that prove they are wrong. You're to easy.
tell us again what Bush said, idiot.
Seon Ferguson
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2D111A6198DWe...@216.196.97.142...
If you had only posted those facts and not called me stupid names I would
have said maybe he didn't. But I did say "While fact check has a point about
the reporter getting 2 sources
right the reporter has a point about getting 98% of the rest of what he
said right. " which shows I know fact check was debunking it. But anyway you
must be a really pathetic person to get off on calling people you have never
meet names from behind your monitor. I feel sorry for the likes of you. When
will you grow up and act your age?
RD (The Sandman)
It's addictive....one reason a lot of liberals, independents and
libertarians watch the shows and then bitch about how dishonest FOX is
when they are back in public. ;)
F. George McDuffee
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:45:10 -0800, sittingduck
<du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>Glenn Beck Has Gone from Crazy Talk to Dangerous Incitement
>By Jeff Musall
>The American conservative movement has devolved into an all fear movement,
>hopping from one hot-button "fear this" specter to another with a
>propaganda machine that would make many a fear-monger of the past blush.
<snip>
While a good conspiratorial view of history is always
entertaining, e.g. _The De Vinci Code_, it does not appear to
offer suggestions for any new productive/utile action
items/activities.
In many ways the current change is similar to that which occurred
in the transformation from medieval "Manorialism" or
"Seigneurialism" to the current money based economy and nation
states, complete with Don Quixote De La Mancha tilting at
windmills, and seeing things the way (or the way he wished) they
were, rather than as they are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manorialism
While "free trade" and especially MIAs [Multilateral Investment
Agreements] as the basic enabling act for the "too big to fail"
transnational corporations outside the control of any national
government, may have seemed like a good idea at the time (at
least to the people in power) it is clear that forces have been
evoked and unleashed which *NO ONE* understands, let alone can
control.
FWIW -- as soon as capital is free to move under a MIA,
comparative advantage disappears leaving only absolute advantage.
Thus, invoking "comparative advantage" and MILs in the same
sentence is an oxymoron, as one precludes the other. In and of
itself this is adequate to explain much of the
deindustrialization and fall in average/median wages/benefits in
the developed countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateral_Agreement_on_Investment
http://www.globalpolicy.org/globalization/globalization-of-the-economy-2-1/multilateral-agreement-on-investment-2-5.html
Most unfortunately, this largely appears to be a "one-way"
irreversible change, short of general violent revolution combined
with large-scale carnage and general mayhem. The tipping point
is frequently economic depression, e.g. National Socialist
Germany. One of the major problems is that far too many of the
senior civil service functionaries and apparatchiks, as well as
the elected representatives, in both the UK and the US (and
indeed all the OECD countries), no longer have their primary
allegiance to their nation/citizens [which pays their
wages/pensions], but rather to some vague one-world ideal of a
"greater good."
It appears that both parties in both the UK and the US, i.e.
Labor/Tory, and Republican/Democrat are equally culpable, albeit
in different ways, in bringing us to this pass, therefore to
expect a simple replacement of one party with the other to
accomplish the many vital and urgently needed reforms [assuming
we wish to maintain our status as sovereign nation states under
democratic government] such as banking/financial restructuring
including control of "derivatives," limitations on imports,
immigration control/limitation, corporate tax
reform/restructuring (to prevent evasion), and governmental
deficit elimination/debt reduction is yet another example of the
perennial triumph of hope over experience.
Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Scott
"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here is one that is not in question though. Bush said there ought to be
> limits to freedom
> http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/may99/052699a.htm well what are
> those limits, mr Bush?
Bush is no longer an issue, dumbass.
Scott
"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:C-mdnf3gS65PRBTW...@westnet.com.au...
> Oh wait you killfilled me? I guess you can't tolerate people who have
> different views to you. I used to be a huge Obama fan but even then I
> never killfilled anyone who hated him. So I guess I like free speech more
> than you and I'm an Australian. I can't be bothered with the likes of you
> anymore, see you in the funny pages.
No one has to endure your bullshit, and you also have no obligation.
Why dont you stick to something you know even less about; like Australian
politics.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Libs are so much smarter than everyone else.
Putting yourself on a pedestal? After years of defending Bushs' prolific
spending you've suddenly got religion on conservation of wealth?
Convenient. Run up bills then bitch about the next guy trying to pay
your tab...
--
Regards, Curly
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Republicans: Party Without a Conscious
Democrats: Party Without a Spine
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Garlicdude
> By Michael Bader, AlterNet
> Posted on March 2, 2010, Printed on March 2, 2010
> http://www.alternet.org/story/145848/
>
Your numbers for original text and article size are going to look really good
this week.
--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude �
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
Hawke
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:15:29 +0000, D Murphy<dmur...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Libs are so much smarter than everyone else.
>
> Putting yourself on a pedestal? After years of defending Bushs' prolific
> spending you've suddenly got religion on conservation of wealth?
>
> Convenient. Run up bills then bitch about the next guy trying to pay
> your tab...
You can't get any more "conservative" than that!
Hawke
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Ah, ah. Don't make that mistake. What you're speaking of are Neocons
and social conservatives who care not what their social programs cost.
Those wackos are not "conservative" in any fiscal sense but share more
with the altruistic liberals who also want to spend any amount of your,
and my, tax dollars to fund their social causes. Better said, to
*coerce* us into funding their opinion at the expense of liberty.
The difference in this case is that D Murphy bitches about the next guy
trying to balance the budget to pay for his tribes failed programs.
Utter hypocrisy to suddenly get religion and blame Obama for contending
with Bush's massive, multiple, fuckups.
Bush didn't budget for his wars or enormous Medi-Care programs instead
going to a spineless Congress for "Special Appropriations" for which no
payback was tabulated. Instead Bush, and a spineless, Congress indebted
America for generations to come while hiding the cost in plain sight.
Yeah, the debt, both mounting National Debt and annual deficits are
growing. In one case due to eliminating the deceitful accounting
practices of Bush/Cheney and in the other to mitigate the economic
disaster of Bush/Cheney.
Fucking hypocrites...
Hawke
>> You can't get any more "conservative" than that!
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Ah, ah. Don't make that mistake. What you're speaking of are Neocons
> and social conservatives who care not what their social programs cost.
>
> Those wackos are not "conservative" in any fiscal sense but share more
> with the altruistic liberals who also want to spend any amount of your,
> and my, tax dollars to fund their social causes. Better said, to
> *coerce* us into funding their opinion at the expense of liberty.
>
> The difference in this case is that D Murphy bitches about the next guy
> trying to balance the budget to pay for his tribes failed programs.
> Utter hypocrisy to suddenly get religion and blame Obama for contending
> with Bush's massive, multiple, fuckups.
>
> Bush didn't budget for his wars or enormous Medi-Care programs instead
> going to a spineless Congress for "Special Appropriations" for which no
> payback was tabulated. Instead Bush, and a spineless, Congress indebted
> America for generations to come while hiding the cost in plain sight.
>
> Yeah, the debt, both mounting National Debt and annual deficits are
> growing. In one case due to eliminating the deceitful accounting
> practices of Bush/Cheney and in the other to mitigate the economic
> disaster of Bush/Cheney.
>
> Fucking hypocrites...
>
I just know that all those guys call themselves conservatives. So I
accept it even though what they do when in power is in fact far from
conservative. You know the gang. They're the bunch who got this country
in the mess it's in. Just like they always do. Too bad so many Americans
are so stupid and keep giving those "conservatives" another chance to
finish us off for good.
Hawke
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Painters call themselves "Corrosion Control Engineers." Prostitutes call
themselves "Escorts." Neocons and Republicans call themselves
"Conservatives." No one willingly accepts a depreciating moniker.
They're not "Conservatives." They're not "conservative." They're
fucking hypocrites. You know it, I know it but the sheeple are fooled by
"Look, shiny..."
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> On the subject of the exploding deficits of Bush you will find that the
> same crowd now fulminating and castigating non-stop and ardently
> demonstrating at Tea Bag rallies were those defending him[Bush] and
> denouncing as unpatriotic those who dared utter a disparaging word at
> someone[Bush] they then extolled as the hero of 9/11.
>
> We know from history that this is a staple Republican right stratagem.
> Realizing that they cannot stand up to free debate because the facts lie
> elsewhere, they condemn as unpatriotic those who dare to point out who
> and what they really are.
Fucking hypocrites.
Cliff
>Conspiracy theories involving shadowy elites like the Trilateral Commission
>and the Council on Foreign Relations have resurfaced. Self-defense and
>armed resistance are frequently called for. Racist stereotypes, innuendo
>and hostility run rampant. The Constitution is its sacred text and Glenn
>Beck its most beloved prophet. They don't usually wear aluminum hats but
>perhaps they should.
I'd wager that with the proper logos & slogans printed on them one could
sell a lot of them to the teabaggers.
Or Glenn Beck & Palin could.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>
>"sittingduck" <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9D2F73633511Cdu...@nomail.afraid.org...
>>
>> By Michael Bader, AlterNet
>> Posted on March 2, 2010, Printed on March 2, 2010
>
>more ducky copy & paste of leftists blogs, responding the way he's been
>taught by Saul Alinsky
IOW Truth hurts.
Tough.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>sittingduck <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in
>news:Xns9D2F73633511Cdu...@nomail.afraid.org:
>
>> By Michael Bader, AlterNet
>> Posted on March 2, 2010, Printed on March 2, 2010
>> http://www.alternet.org/story/145848/
>>
>> These Tea Party folks seem to most liberals -- well, to most of us who
>> live in the "reality community," or, as I like to call it, "reality"
>> --- like crazy fuckers.
>
>Warning - http://bigjournalism.com/files/2010/03/SEIU.jpg
>
>One wonders if his patients know he thinks of them as "crazy fuckers"?
Why do you think they are paying him for help?
They already know that.
>Surely that must be what he's thinking when he compares Tea Party members
>to his patients.
Nice of you to say that.
I hope the teabaggers appreciate your acute observational skills too,
though you may need to use smaller words.
>And I can't help but wonder if he is really concerned about those poor
>crazy Tea Party members or if he's really worried about his business
>relationship with SEIU?
He might be able to help you too, eh?
>Does he write articles attacking conservatives, Republicans and
>Libertarians because his quack medical skills tell him they are all
>mentally ill,
ALL of them you say?
>or is it part of his deal with the SEIU?
Winger's Disease !!!
--
Cliff
Gunner Asch
>sittingduck <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote in
>news:Xns9D2C7A8D252DDdu...@nomail.afraid.org:
>
>Let's translate this mess.
>
>> Glenn Beck's authoritarian manifesto
>> The Fox News host's CPAC speech made it clear the once-principled
>> conservative movement has become a mob
>
>Translation - Here's a scary headline about how ordinary people are
>going to for a "mob" and kill you.
>
>>
>> By David Sirota
>
>Partisan hack posing as a "journalist"
>
>>
>> Feb. 27, 2010
>>
>> Let�s pause and give thanks to Glenn Beck.
>
>Translation - I've got my hatchett out and ready.
>
>>
>> No, seriously -- because that's what he's due.
>
>And I'm going to use it.
>
>>
>> We owe this talk-show-host-turned-political-leader gratitude for using
>> his televised keynote address to the Conservative Political Action
>> Conference to so frankly outline what the conservative movement has
>> become -- and why it repulses so many Americans.
>
>Here's where I ignore that he's a libertarian and very popular and make
>it sound like if you so much as listen to him you're repulsive to
>"Americans"
>
>>
>> Coming days after an anti-tax terrorist kamikaze-attacked a government
>> facility in Texas, and following Republicans like Sen. Scott Brown and
>> Rep. Steve King expressing sympathy for that terrorist's grievances,
>> Beck's homily stands as the moment's most forthright manifesto on the
>> right's authoritarian objectives.
>
>Here is where I tie Beck and some other folks I don't like to the
>demented act of a nut job even though there is zero connection.
>
>>
>> Beck began his speech posing as a libertarian against "big
>> government." Notice that most Republican icons are now doing this,
>> though not all resemble Beck -- not all of them previously pushed the
>> big-government Patriot Act or the even-bigger-government bank bailout.
>
>Here is where I paint him as a hypocrite with an outright lie and a half
>truth.
>
>>
>> From there, Beck worked up a drenching sweat, criticizing Theodore
>> Roosevelt's notion that we should make sure the accumulation of wealth
>> is "honorably obtained" and "represents benefit to the community."
>
>Here I make sure you know he's sweaty, probably because he's fat.
>
>>
>> His porcine complexion verging on crimson, Beck called that concept of
>> "community" a "cancer" that "is not our Founders' idea of America" --
>> somehow forgetting the notions of community and solidarity inherent in
>> the Founders' "Join or Die" motto.
>
>In case you missed it in the last paragraph, he's fat. Also I make it
>sound like the founders were really socialists, but just didn't know it.
>
>>
>> But ignorance, no matter how embarrassing, doesn't get in Beck's way.
>> To wild applause, he labeled this alleged tumor of "community" the
>> supposedly evil "progressivism" -- and he told disciples to "eradicate
>> it" from the nation.
>
>Well if he's fat he has to be stupid.
>
>>
>> The lesson was eminently clear, coming in no less than the keynote
>> address to one of America's most important political conventions. Beck
>> taught us that a once-principled conservative movement of reasoned
>> activists has turned into a mob -- one that does not engage in
>> civilized battles of ideas. Instead, these torch-carriers,
>> gun-brandishers and tea partiers follow an anti-government terrorist
>> attack by cheering a demagogue's demand for the physical annihilation
>> of those with whom he disagrees -- namely anyone, but particularly
>> progressives, who value "community."
>
>Here is where I change the meaning of eradicate to mean murder and tie
>it all neatly back to the nut job with the plane in Texas.
>
>>
>> No doubt, some conservatives will parse, insisting Beck was only
>> endorsing the "eradication" of progressivism but not of progressives.
>> These same willful ignoramuses will also likely say that the Nazis'
>> beef was with Judaism but not Jews, and that white supremacists
>> dislike African-American culture but have no problem with black
>> people.
>
>Here I ignore the radio show and the TV show Beck did speaking out
>against taking violent actions, like the one done by the nut job in
>Texas. People are lazy and won't bother to look it up.
>
>>
>> Other conservatives will surely depict Beck's "eradication" line as
>> just the jest of a self-described "rodeo clown" -- merely the "fusion
>> of entertainment and enlightenment," as his radio motto intones. But
>> if Beck is half as smart as he incessantly tells listeners he is, then
>> he knows it's no joke.
>
>Tie in everyone who is not a liberal to the fat nut job and I'm almost
>done.
>
>>
>> In a melting-pot nation of slave descendants and immigrant refugees
>> haunted by ancestral memories of despotic violence, Beck is
>> deliberately employing coded and menacing language, warning his
>> opponents not to believe Sinclair Lewis' refrain that such horror
>> "can't happen here." Beck wants adversaries to know that it can and it
>> will -- to them, and at his movement's hands.
>
>Oops, I almost forgot to call him a racist.
>
>>
>> Really, the threat isn't even veiled. To understand it, just ponder
>> comparisons. For instance, ask yourself: What is the difference
>> between Beck's decree and that of Rwanda's genocidal leaders in the
>> 1990s? The former broadcasted a call to "eradicate" the "cancer"-like
>> progressives; the latter a call to "exterminate the cockroaches."
>> Likewise, what separates Beck's screed from a bin Laden fatwa? They
>> may employ different ideologies and languages, but both endorse the
>> wholesale elimination of large groups of Americans.
>
>A racist that wants wholesale genocide. Right here in AMERICA!!!
>
>>
>> And so we finally see tyranny's hideous image within our midst: It�s
>> not a tightly cropped mustache in a beige uniform; it�s a clean-shaven
>> baby face in a suit -- a rodeo clown with a chalkboard who
>> unfortunately speaks for modern-day conservatism.
>
>Now I call him a Nazi and I'm done.
>
>>
>> We should thank him, at least, for admitting what his movement truly
>> wants.
>>
>
>Putting the hatchet away.
>
>So fucking predictable. Is there a computer program somewhere where
>"journalists" put in a few variables and it outputs this kind of
>worthless screed? If not there ought to be. It might stave off
>bankruptcy for the wirthless partisan media outlets that print this weak
>minded crap.
No big deal...Sirota is on the List and will be dead in less than 2 yrs.
Shrug
Gunner
Hawke
>>> Fucking hypocrites...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I just know that all those guys call themselves conservatives. So I
>> accept it even though what they do when in power is in fact far from
>> conservative. You know the gang. They're the bunch who got this country
>> in the mess it's in. Just like they always do. Too bad so many Americans
>> are so stupid and keep giving those "conservatives" another chance to
>> finish us off for good.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Painters call themselves "Corrosion Control Engineers." Prostitutes call
> themselves "Escorts." Neocons and Republicans call themselves
> "Conservatives." No one willingly accepts a depreciating moniker.
>
> They're not "Conservatives." They're not "conservative." They're
> fucking hypocrites. You know it, I know it but the sheeple are fooled by
> "Look, shiny..."
>
It's an industry, I tell ya, a fuckin' industry. The conservative
industry. It has one job and one job only; get power. Did you see the
republican presentation that came out today about how to treat donors in
order to get money from them? It was all laid out in a power point
presentation exactly how to fleece the small donors and how to get money
from the big donors, with bullet points of just how to use them to get
the money to get in office. It's sickening really. We all know the
names; Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ollie North, Grover
Norquist just to name a few of them. Then there are the bought and paid
for republicans like Orrin Hatch, Kit Bond, John Boehner, etc, etc. They
have their think tanks, their media outlets, and their politicians.
Every time any one of them gets in office they put all their cronies in
positions of authority. The problem is they can't actually govern. They
are great at picking the other side apart and even at getting elected
but once they get the job then their policies always turn out bad.
Usually, they can't completely screw us because they never get total
control. Until this last time. They had the whole shebang in their hands
and look what they did. It's been one whole year since they got kicked
out and now they want their old jobs back. I tell you, if Americans give
them power again they will get just what they deserve, the same thing we
got from Bush only next time it'll be even worse. That's the big
question, will Americans be so stupid as to give the republicans another
crack at ruining the country? The sad truth, probably.
Hawke
Cliff
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>A Carnegie library
IIRC Anderson, Indiana had one of the early ones.
But that was not what Beck was going on about.
--
Cliff