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Tom Gardner

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Apr 3, 2006, 8:28:25 AM4/3/06
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A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be parted
out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.


Michelle

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Apr 3, 2006, 8:53:12 AM4/3/06
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Tom Gardner wrote:
> A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be parted
> out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.
>
>
any pictures? otherwise why did you post this?
Michelle

Tom Gardner

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Apr 3, 2006, 8:56:48 AM4/3/06
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"Michelle" <thecatsandiSP...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Turn on your TV...it's everywhere, except the cartoon chanel.


Michelle

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Apr 3, 2006, 9:12:53 AM4/3/06
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You cold have said that the first time.
Looks like getting out was not a problem.
Michelle

Louis Ohland

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Apr 3, 2006, 9:25:38 AM4/3/06
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Saw a pic on Fox, the front quarter is snapped off and laying at right
angle to the rest. Wings are still attached, some fire on the ground
behind the inboard right engine, but not big. Looks like a puddle of fuel.

Just on Fox again. They had mechanical trouble and were coming back to
land. Went in a couple hundred yards short of the runway in a field. All
fires are out.

RoyJ

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Apr 3, 2006, 10:40:30 AM4/3/06
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Video and still pics at
www.cnn.com

It's unlikely that the plane will be rebuilt. The C-5 is so big that is
fairly spindly, it doesn't take kindly to being thrashed like this. But
almost any aircraft can be rebuilt/reworked if you spend enough $$ on it.

Bill Janssen

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Apr 3, 2006, 11:26:59 AM4/3/06
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Tom Gardner wrote:

>A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be parted
>out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.
>
>
>
>

If they still can find the name tag (serial number etc.) then its
fixable. It might be cheaper to
buy a new one however.

Bill k7NOM

Rex B

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Apr 3, 2006, 11:52:01 AM4/3/06
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Tom Gardner wrote:
> A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be parted
> out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.

"I think that'll buff right out"

B.B.

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Apr 3, 2006, 12:50:37 PM4/3/06
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In article <1232h52...@corp.supernews.com>,
Rex B <r...@wmautomotive.com> wrote:

Might need a bit of bondo. (:

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Larry Green

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Apr 3, 2006, 1:20:00 PM4/3/06
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On 03/04/06 12:50 PM, B.B. wrote:
> In article <1232h52...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Rex B <r...@wmautomotive.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Gardner wrote:
>>
>>>A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be parted
>>>out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.
>>
>>"I think that'll buff right out"
>
>
> Might need a bit of bondo. (:
>

I always thought the C-5 opened vertically at the front not sideways
like a WWII glider. Guess I was wrong.

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Louis Ohland

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Apr 3, 2006, 2:44:47 PM4/3/06
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Need one of those dent pullers and some Wisconsin chrome.

"Duct tape, the handyman's secret weapon"

Eric R Snow

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Apr 3, 2006, 3:07:10 PM4/3/06
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:40:30 GMT, RoyJ <spam...@microsoft.net> wrote:

>Video and still pics at
>www.cnn.com
>
>It's unlikely that the plane will be rebuilt. The C-5 is so big that is
>fairly spindly, it doesn't take kindly to being thrashed like this. But
>almost any aircraft can be rebuilt/reworked if you spend enough $$ on it.

Doncha just have to jack up the exhaust and slide a new plane in place
of the old one?
ERS

Gunner

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Apr 3, 2006, 4:13:45 PM4/3/06
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Gonna be a bitch unloading the cargo. How ya gonna get a forklift in
there?

I guess they could call a battalion of Marines and do it manually

Gunner

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the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
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Larry Jaques

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Apr 3, 2006, 6:01:32 PM4/3/06
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:52:01 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Rex
B <r...@wmautomotive.com> quickly quoth:

Damnable used-car salesmen, I swear. ;)


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SteveF

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Apr 3, 2006, 7:04:40 PM4/3/06
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"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:20:00 -0400, Larry Green
> <larry...@nospam.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 03/04/06 12:50 PM, B.B. wrote:
>>> In article <1232h52...@corp.supernews.com>,
>>> Rex B <r...@wmautomotive.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A C-5 crashed near Dover AFB...looks fixable to me but, will it be
>>>>>parted
>>>>>out and scraped? I'll bet the seatcovers are a lost cause.
>>>>
>>>>"I think that'll buff right out"
>>>
>>>
>>> Might need a bit of bondo. (:
>>>
>>
>>I always thought the C-5 opened vertically at the front not sideways
>>like a WWII glider. Guess I was wrong.
>
>
> Gonna be a bitch unloading the cargo. How ya gonna get a forklift in
> there?
>
> I guess they could call a battalion of Marines and do it manually
>
> Gunner
>

That's not too far from Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They could bring up some
M1 tanks and drag the stuff out.

Steve.


carl mciver

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Apr 3, 2006, 8:27:33 PM4/3/06
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"Bill Janssen" <bi...@ieee.org> wrote in message
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That model went out of production awhile back (I tried to make that
funny, but it wasn't working.) I'm sure what's left of it will be
worthwhile as spare parts, as they've been flying the hell out of them
lately.
Really major jobs like that are unlikely, as I'm sure the jigs and such
have all been scrapped. Boeing has done work similar in scale to that, but
only because they were still building that model and were able to provide
huge sections of airplane brand new to replace the smashed up bits.
Lockheed got out of the airplane building business, thankfully, so that
possibility is pretty much nil.

Erik

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Apr 3, 2006, 10:34:18 PM4/3/06
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In article <B2eYf.10$Zl...@fe05.lga>, Louis Ohland <ohl...@charter.net>
wrote:

> Need one of those dent pullers and some Wisconsin chrome.
>
> "Duct tape, the handyman's secret weapon"

Nothing says 'quality' like wrinkle free duct tape!

Erik

Martin H. Eastburn

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Apr 3, 2006, 11:17:17 PM4/3/06
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Saw the same - one wing had the foam all flat - which means the press
were kept well away just in case.

I heard the crew for the most part (wondered what that meant) got out easily -
some had fuel spilled upon them.

With a fire in an engine and a wing full of fuel - they did good getting
back to the base and on the grass.

I lost a good friend in the first C5 crash - he was the co-pilot and was
back on the rear gate that would not close during the emergency takeoff.

Big planes don't have many crashes - but make the news when they do.
It was a time that the Air force or other armed forces would have a mishap
once or twice a year. Not in a long time.

Martin

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Martin H. Eastburn

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Apr 3, 2006, 11:19:53 PM4/3/06
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Just sled it over to the runway. Or put down temp runway like in the war.
Easy for fork lifts. Use monster Hysters. Like on the docs.

Martin
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cvair...@tigerbyte.net

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Apr 4, 2006, 2:51:58 AM4/4/06
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carl mciver wrote:


> Lockheed got out of the airplane building business, thankfully, so that
> possibility is pretty much nil.


That's news to me and the other 50,000+ employees at Lockheed as we
deliver more F-16's, some F/A-22's, and C-130J's every month... :}

Craig C.

Roy

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Apr 4, 2006, 9:42:57 AM4/4/06
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Exactly, Lockheed is far from being out of the aircraft business.

A lot of the C5-A's have wing spar problems, been that way for years,
but it still did not hinder their flight worthyness, in regards to
safety. All it did was limit max load capacity they could carry.......

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Jim McGill

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Apr 4, 2006, 11:56:41 AM4/4/06
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That's a new regionalism on me. So what is "Wisconsin chrome"? Aluminum
paint?

Jim

MetalCutter

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Apr 4, 2006, 12:10:05 PM4/4/06
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> That's a new regionalism on me. So what is "Wisconsin chrome"? Aluminum
> paint?

Duct tape.


Bill Marrs

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Apr 4, 2006, 1:16:12 PM4/4/06
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>
>
>> That's a new regionalism on me. So what is "Wisconsin chrome"? Aluminum
>> paint?
>
> Duct tape.
>
>

Shall we start on regionalisms? Might be fun. My contributions:

Tijuana Chrome Silver paint

Oklahoma Overhaul Giving a worn out anything a nice paint job, without
doing any repairs.

I'm in Oregon----any Oregon ones?


clareatsnyder.on.ca

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Apr 4, 2006, 1:34:03 PM4/4/06
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:16:12 GMT, "Bill Marrs" <bill...@verizon.net>
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Oregon carwash
leave the car sitting outside.
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Eric R Snow

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Apr 4, 2006, 2:20:21 PM4/4/06
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:16:12 GMT, "Bill Marrs" <bill...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>

Regarding your "Oklahoma Rebuild": Another name for it is "Krylon
Rebuild". It's great because everyone seems to get it right off the
bat. Another euphemism that was local to me was what a co-worker
called a massage parlor with the name "Yvette's Sauna". He called it
"Yvette's Steam & Cream".
ERS

Jim Stewart

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Apr 4, 2006, 2:37:18 PM4/4/06
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clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:16:12 GMT, "Bill Marrs" <bill...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"MetalCutter" <jpd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:xTwYf.55381$F_3....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>>
>>>>That's a new regionalism on me. So what is "Wisconsin chrome"? Aluminum
>>>>paint?
>>>
>>>Duct tape.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Shall we start on regionalisms? Might be fun. My contributions:
>>
>>Tijuana Chrome Silver paint
>>
>>Oklahoma Overhaul Giving a worn out anything a nice paint job, without
>>doing any repairs.
>>
>>I'm in Oregon----any Oregon ones?
>>
>
> Oregon carwash
> leave the car sitting outside.

Oregon Lexus - Subaru Outback

mike hide

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Apr 4, 2006, 8:08:13 PM4/4/06
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Lockheed taught Boeing how to build big aircraft........Just like
Dehavilland taught them how to make the 727and BAC taught Douglas how to
make the DC9....


carl mciver

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I'm sorry, I misspoke. I should have said large aircraft. I knew
better, my bad. It looks like I'll be competing with you for the tanker....

Glenn

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"Bill Marrs" <bill...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Oregon Pinstriping... That's what ya call the stripes ya get from driving
around in the woods around here.


Don Bruder

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Apr 5, 2006, 12:33:55 PM4/5/06
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Oklahoma gas card - 7 feet or so of 3/8" hose and a gas can.

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B.B.

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Apr 5, 2006, 12:36:54 PM4/5/06
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>>Shall we start on regionalisms? Might be fun. My contributions:
>>
>>Tijuana Chrome Silver paint

"Mexican Socket Set" = Adjustable wrench.

Jim Stewart

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Apr 5, 2006, 1:39:23 PM4/5/06
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mike hide wrote:

Ok, I'll bite.. Did Boeing teach Airbus anything?


Andy Asberry

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Apr 5, 2006, 2:25:51 PM4/5/06
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After two weeks of the flu, I must be delirious. In a fever stupor, I
thought how great it would be to vacuum my head clear.

Sooo..You might be a redneck if you ever cleared your sinuses with a
Mityvac brake bleeder.

You heard it here first.
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Dave Hinz

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Apr 5, 2006, 2:53:52 PM4/5/06
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0500, Andy Asberry <aasb...@aol.com> wrote:

> After two weeks of the flu, I must be delirious. In a fever stupor, I
> thought how great it would be to vacuum my head clear.
> Sooo..You might be a redneck if you ever cleared your sinuses with a
> Mityvac brake bleeder.

I've been an EMT for a dozen years or so, so I have a bit of basis for
this statement - that's pretty much all we're going to use in the back
of an ambulance anyway. Some of the hand-powered suction units have a
remarkable resemblance to a Mityvac. Bigger tubing though, for the
chunks. Training sessions for suction in EMT class usually involve a
can of chunky beef stew...

> You heard it here first.

Ever consider the emergency services? I like how you think...

Jim Stewart

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Apr 5, 2006, 3:47:49 PM4/5/06
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0500, Andy Asberry <aasb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>After two weeks of the flu, I must be delirious. In a fever stupor, I
>>thought how great it would be to vacuum my head clear.
>>Sooo..You might be a redneck if you ever cleared your sinuses with a
>>Mityvac brake bleeder.
>
>
> I've been an EMT for a dozen years or so, so I have a bit of basis for
> this statement - that's pretty much all we're going to use in the back
> of an ambulance anyway. Some of the hand-powered suction units have a
> remarkable resemblance to a Mityvac.

After my wife had been in labor for 44 hours,
they told us they could do a C-section or try
"the vacuum". The vacuum was the equivilent
of a Mityvac with a hose and a little plastic
cap. They stuck the cap on the baby's head,
drew a vacuum, waited for the next contraction
and gave a pull on the hose. Out popped the kid.

Dave Hinz

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Apr 5, 2006, 4:17:05 PM4/5/06
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You know what, they did that with both my kids, and I'd bet money that
it was an actual mityvac. I also bet that we paid for it and it went in
the trash, dammit. Oddly enough, my normal scrounger-self wasn't paying
attention to that at the time.

Rex B

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Apr 5, 2006, 4:52:33 PM4/5/06
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I'm going to copy this to the MityVac rep.
He'll get a kick out of it.

Spehro Pefhany

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Apr 5, 2006, 6:08:45 PM4/5/06
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Yeah, the potential liability on something like that would be a real
thigh-slapper.


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c.henry

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Apr 5, 2006, 9:05:22 PM4/5/06
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i tried this on my 3 year old daughter when she jammed a 6mm plastic
bb up her nose , still took a trip to the ER

Rex B

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Apr 6, 2006, 9:54:17 AM4/6/06
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I bet the medical version has a much higher price that covers the
premiums, plus a profit that would make an extortioner blush.

Dave Hinz

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Apr 6, 2006, 10:22:46 AM4/6/06
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:08:45 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:52:33 -0500, the renowned Rex B
><r...@wmautomotive.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm going to copy this to the MityVac rep.
>>He'll get a kick out of it.
>
> Yeah, the potential liability on something like that would be a real
> thigh-slapper.

Well, if it's being packaged as a medical device, don't worry, the FDA
has been all over it already. It's a great portable suction device.
I'll see if I can get details on the package; friend of ours works in
the baby unit.

Spehro Pefhany

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Apr 6, 2006, 5:47:32 PM4/6/06
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Sure, if there is a medical version.

Once a guy told us what he was doing with our product (at hospitals)
and we decided not only to immediately stop selling it to him but also
to put explicit warnings on each one not to do what he was doing. A
tiny part of the market and potentially disastrous risk levels if a
death or serious injury occurred.

pyotr filipivich

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Apr 6, 2006, 5:44:26 PM4/6/06
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>

LOL

Well, it beats using a plumber's helper. (Plunger)

At least esthetically.


tschus
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Dave Hinz

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Apr 6, 2006, 5:49:21 PM4/6/06
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:47:32 -0400, Spehro Pefhany <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:54:17 -0500, the renowned Rex B
><r...@wmautomotive.com> wrote:
>>
>>I bet the medical version has a much higher price that covers the
>>premiums, plus a profit that would make an extortioner blush.
>
> Sure, if there is a medical version.

If there isn't from the source (Mityvac, in this case), then the vendor
who packages it as a medical device assumes the liability. Trust me on
this one; I've been in the biomedical device field for a long time,
first as a biomed tech in a hospital, then working engineering in a
medical device manufacturer.

Example: the MRI scanners ship with computers. The vendor of the OS on
the computers will inevitably have a "not to be used for..." statement
in the license. And yet the FDA approves the product, because (in this
case) GE takes the responsibility for the MRI scanner, rather than Sun
taking responsibility for the operating system installed on parts of it.

Ah, here's a link with a decent photo of the equipment:
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000915/1316.html
I can't make out a manufacturer's name though. I'll check with our
friend tonight and ask if she can get a name of the vendor.


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