Message from discussion Need to open a DIEBOLD SAFE
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Subject: Re: Need to open a DIEBOLD SAFE
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Read Feynman's books - they are worth the time.
He noted the last number from inspecting open safes (actually "secure
file cabinets" IIRC). It was a flaw in the design.
He found (IIRC without re-reading the book right now) that the numbers
were not overly precise - so 100 numbers might really be 25-33 if
running trials. This is a pretty common flaw of 100 number safe dials,
at least on the lower end. If the spec says 100 numbers, they put on 100
numbers, but if the numbers are all off by one or two, the safe still
He pointed both of these flaws out to security, which rather than fixing
them, responded in typical idiotic fashion - at least until they needed
He also used the same tricks that any password cracker uses now - common
numbers people might choose - anniversaries, children's birthdays,
numbers scribbled on the desk drawers, etc.
And if he cracked one in 20 minutes, he made sure to read something for
another couple of hours before opening the office door, so as to not
make it look too easy.
For a safe you actually own, the correct way to computerize the process
would be a robot dial-spinner - doesn't need to sleep and won't fudge up
the numbers if it's built right. But you do need to know the correct
directions to spin for that model of safe (no matter what you are
using.) Just the thing for a spare servo (or stepper) motor and
controller, plus a linear actuator or something for the handle part. Let
it grind away until it pops, and figure some way to note when it pops so
you save the right numbers. The you could re-run trials to see how wide
the band of numbers that work is to figure what the center numbers (ie,
the real combination) should be.
If making new combination locks now I suppose you might include some
means of noting too much dial twiddling, but I guess the serious safes
all went to time locks to deal with that problem anyway. Any safe you
can pick up (with a forklift, if needed) is ultimately not all that
serious, is it?
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