Will Mormonism become the State Religion if Mitt Romney is elected?

[Too_Many_Tools]

Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today...says
he WILL NOT VOTE for Romney because Romney will make Mormonism the
State Religion if elected....and would vote for Obama to keep America
a Christian Nation.

Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.

Like many subjects, we do not know what stand Flip Flop Mitt has on
most things.

But we do know that he gets his orders from Salt Lake City and the
LDS.

TMT

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today

No you didn't.

[Fred E Brown]

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:adae3f90-370a-4d84...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

Neither the president or government can sponsor a state religion.
It's prohibited by the Constitution.
Knock off the bullshit.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Fred E Brown" <frede...@nowhere.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

But then he can't post at all.

[John Putnam]

What an idiot.

[Too_Many_Fools]

Code Pink Anti-War Protesters: Obozo Is WORSE than George W. Bush!
LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/05/american-women-marching-into-tribal-pakistan-obama-worse-than-bush?vwo=5bd53
LOL…Code Pink Anti-War Protesters: Obozo Is WORSE than George W.
Bush!
Alli McCracken, who said she was one of the 24 American women in the
contingent, said via an E-mail that Obama is "worse than Bush in some
respects; he uses drones significantly more than Bush ever did,
allowing him to carry out covert wars all over the world with zero
accountability to Congress or the American public."
Obama, according to McCracken, has shown "total disregard for
international law" when authorizing these strikes. Asked if Obama had
authorized "murder," McCracken said, "Yes, as far as we know - and we
know very little, since the drone program in Pakistan is operated by
the CIA, and therefore cloaked in secrecy."
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/05/american-women-marching-into-tribal-pakistan-obama-worse-than-bush?vwo=5bd53
LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>John Putnam <shemph...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

That seems to be the general consensus.

[Gray Guest]

Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:adae3f90-370a-4d84-
84b5-e77...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

Of course it will. And then every man will be able to marry multiple wives
rendering society back tp it's proper level.

I can't wait for the auditions. And my first wife can't wait to have the
extra help around the house.

--
Refusenik #1

[George Plimpton]

Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
best to get Obama re-elected:


"U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

By Matt Pearce
October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of
mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they
are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in
a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist
Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

Here are his remarks:

“God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was
taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the
folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
bullshit snipped]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evolution-hell-20121007,0,4628858.story


If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

[whoyakidding]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:02:27 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

In fact they are perfectly fit to govern the stupid knuckle dragging
voters like you who vote Republican. Which is exactly why Paul Brown
spouted that horseshit!

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 7, 5:55 pm, whoyakidding <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:02:27 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
> >best to get Obama re-elected:
>
> >"U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"
>
> >By Matt Pearce
> >October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
>
> >Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of
> >mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
> >who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they
> >are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”
>
> >Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in
> >a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist
> >Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.
>
> >Here are his remarks:
>
> >“God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was
> >taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
> >straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the
> >folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
> >There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
> >actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
> >Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
> >bullshit snipped]
>

> >http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>
> >If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
> >business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
> >they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
> >shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>
> In fact they are perfectly fit to govern the stupid knuckle dragging
> voters like you who vote Republican. Which is exactly why Paul Brown

> spouted that horseshit!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

American conservatives share the same values as the Taliban.

It is no wonder why they should speak the same language of hatred and
repression.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 6, 9:52 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
candidate.

TMT

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>candidate.

It's even more interesting that you can't find Obama's military
records.

[George Plimpton]

I don't vote Republican; I vote Libertarian. As a practical matter,
while Republicans thwarting Democrats doesn't yield a best-case
libertarian solution, I have to hope for Republican victories at the
national level, or else the Democrats will ruin the country.

[George Plimpton]

> American liberals share the same values as the North Korea.

No wonder everyone hates liberals.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>candidate.
>

>"Non Christian" puts it mildly
>
>Mountain Meadows massacre
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854

The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

[Hawke]

No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
time they tried to govern? As usual you're the last to know. Jesus
Christ!, the rest of us have known that for ages. And you're just now
starting to understand it? Man, how slow can you be?

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/7/2012 4:31 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>
>> In fact they are perfectly fit to govern the stupid knuckle dragging
>> voters like you who vote Republican. Which is exactly why Paul Brown
>> spouted that horseshit!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> American conservatives share the same values as the Taliban.
>
> It is no wonder why they should speak the same language of hatred and
> repression.

Hell, they are the American Taliban.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/7/2012 5:38 PM, Fair Play wrote:

> Nice try Klaus but 782?
>
> Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
> with rebels.
>
> A far cry from the modern billion dollar corporation that is
> Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as
>
> "a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
> caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
> judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
> better let the matter alone"
>
> "[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
> if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
> earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>
>
> A long long way from "turn the other cheek" don't you think?


One time Chalemagne had 5,000 people put to the sword because they would
not stop their pagan ways. In this example they were using the old
method of cremation for disposing of their dead. Charlemagne wanted them
to follow the Christian way of burying the dead. When the pagan way was
continued he slaughtered 5,000 of them. I don't know if this is the same
incident as described above but it shows what kind of people Christians
were, which is pretty much like all religious fanatics.

Hawke

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>Nice try Klaus but 782?

Christianity is over 2000 years old, you know. What's the difference
between going back to 782 or 1840's?

Hmmmmmmm?

>Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>with rebels.

Goal post move!

>A far cry from the modern billion dollar corporation that is
>Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as

I have some sad news for you. Smith is dead. They haven't murdered any
settlers in years.

>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>better let the matter alone"

How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
twenty years?

>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");

This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement


Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
Mormons.

[Gunner]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Then we have the other Verdun...where nearly a million men died in
less than a year, chopped or choked to death

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7712419.stm

http://www.wereldoorlog1418.nl/battleverdun/getuigen.htm




Btw...some original color photographs of the French at Verdun.
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Verdun_Color/Verdun_Color_00.htm

Check em out...color puts a far different face on the times.


--
Adde cruorem stultitiae, atque ignem gladio scrutare:
To your folly add bloodshed, and stir the fire with the sword (Horace)

[George Plimpton]

Only because of this. If this religious crap weren't part of the party,
they would be the natural governing party.

[George Plimpton]

You're full of shit. The massacre of Verden describe above *is* the
same one, and it was *not* because of any following of "pagan ways".
Once again, you don't know history.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 7, 11:02 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 5:39 PM, Hawke wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/7/2012 3:02 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >> Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
> >> best to get Obama re-elected:
>
> >> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"
>
> >> By Matt Pearce
> >> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
>
> >> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of
> >> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
> >> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they
> >> are lies straight from the pit of hell.
>
> >> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in
> >> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist
> >> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.
>
> >> Here are his remarks:
>
> >> God s word is true. I ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was
> >> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
> >> straight from the pit of hell. It s lies to try to keep me and all the
> >> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
> >> There s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
> >> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
> >> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
> >> bullshit snipped]
>

> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>
> >> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
> >> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
> >> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
> >> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>
> > No kidding they aren't fit to govern.
>
> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the party,

> they would be the natural governing party.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Only because....shit stinks?

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

[George Plimpton]

Only because swing voters in the center won't go for that religious
dogma. Throw that out, and the Republicans rule.

[John B.]

Interesting your selection of Baby Bush as a land mark Republican
President. Why not go back to Abe Lincoln - a Republican, or perhaps
Teddy Roosevelt, or maybe even Eisenhower ?
--
Cheers,
John B.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

>It's the general principle of the theology of "cutting throats " not
>the specific instance in question.

LOL Ah, it's general principles. I see. And these "general principles
are enumerated where?"

Are they similar to the general principles of the Old Testament?

>>>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>>better let the matter alone"
>>
>>How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
>>twenty years?
>

>Who knows?

Well you obviously have no fucking clue.

>Violence against women is endemic in Utah

>http://www.lifeafter.org/mormonsuicide.asp
>
>According to the Utah Domestic Violence Council, “in 2001, the
>national homicide rate among female victims murdered by males in
>single victim/single perpetrator incidents in the United States was
>1.4 per 100,000. Utah’s rate was 23% higher than the national rate.

How many were Mormons?

>I compared Salt Lake City with four other metropolitan cities in the
>nation and their percentages of forcible rape. They are: Los
>Angeles, Seattle, New York City and Miami. The rates are based on a
>population per 100,000.

And you got these figures where? It's customary to provide a cite.


>Los Angeles: 36.9
>
>Miami: 25.3
>
>New York: 20.9
>
>Seattle 26.2
>
>Salt Lake City: 58.4
>
> No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most ‘holy’
>lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then
>why are the statistics showing otherwise?

Looks like it is a misprint. SLC isn't listed here
http://galleries.forbes.com/gallery/The_Most_Dangerous_U.S._Cities_For_Women#image=0dJs5kD5RJei0&view=filmstrip

Nor here
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-6

So are you intentionally lying, or just so consumed by your hate and
fear of Mormons that you'll believe anything anyone tells you?


Yet you can't show ANY of the rapists were Mormon. Not a single one.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Meanwhile.....

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
Lifetime Prevalence of Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator by State of
Residence

Utah- Average

>>>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>>
>>This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
>>Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
>

>Nevertheless it's what the cult was founded on

ROFLMAO

No worse than some of the stuff in the Old Testament.

Moving on..........

>>Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
>>Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
>>Mormons.
>

>Actually their corporate activities should be of more concern given
>they feel poised to take over the world and usher in their prophesies
>with a Mormon US President.

WHAT prophesies?

Give me details.

> If the LDS Church were a U.S. corporation, by revenues it
>would rank around the midpoint number 243 on the Fortune 500 list.
>(Ibid. p. 127)

Good for them. They have their shit together.

[deep]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:44:42 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

And the middle class and poor would suffer while the Republicans to
over total control.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lho278phijuf8kic1...@4ax.com...

>>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>

>>Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today
>

> No you didn't.

Actually, he was talking to a baggie
Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.

[Steve B]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:oo44781ge5doctvqu...@4ax.com...

Wasn't he in Viet Nam with Kerry?

[Hawke]

That's a crock of shit. Take a look at how the republicans "governed"
last time minus the religious crap. You find that they were still
fiscally irresponsible, terribly dishonest, were horrible at foreign
affairs, and pretty much did a poor to awful job in just about every
area. From the inability to deal with Katrina, to the failure to pay
attention to the 9/11 threat, to the failure to oversee the financial
sector, to the eroding of our civil rights, they did everything poorly.
This is mainly due to their right wing philosophy and to electing
incompetents.

It will be the same thing if Romney is elected. He has a team that is
filled with people from the Bush administration. They want another
chance to try what they did last time. You see, they didn't learn that
what they did doesn't work. They think they just need another chance to
try it again. If you let them you deserve what happens. Hello war with Iran.

Hawke

[Hawke]

No, as usual it's you that is incorrect. Charlemagne made cremation a
death penalty offense in 789. Below is a citation proving that. The case
I was referring to was one where he ordered the execution of around 5000
people because they were still using the pagan way of dealing with dead
bodies. It's true you stupid oaf, and just shows again that I know what
I'm talking about and you are just pretending to. I saw this on the
History Channel on one of the programs on the Middle Ages. So you lose,
again.

Hawke



Bregman, Lucy (2010). Religion, death, and dying, volume 3. ABC-CLIO. p. 13.
ISBN 0-313-35173-2, 9780313351730. "Cremation had been banned officially by
Emperor Charlemagne in 789 as a capital offense and was generally
perceived as a pagan practice antithetical to Christianity."

[George Plimpton]

It's not.

It has been this way for more than 40 years. Kevin Phillips wrote about
it more than 40 years ago. There are numerous reasons the country, and
the electorate, are turning more conservative.

[Oglethorpe]

"Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
news:8n54785s5m302ju4b...@4ax.com...

> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>

Mormons are Christians.

[Oglethorpe]

"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
news:k4t7cj$rks$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

[George Plimpton]

That's great, you stupid clueless history-ignorant fuck, but the
massacre of Verden was in 782.

You are so staggeringly stupid.

[George Plimpton]

No, Bush's deficits were huge. The Republicans are no better than the
Democrats when it comes to the deficit. Where they are better is on
getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

[Too_Many_Tools]

> >>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>
> >>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
> >>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
> >>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
> >>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>
> >> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.
>
> > Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the party,
> > they would be the natural governing party.
>
> That's a crock of shit. Take a look at how the republicans "governed"
> last time minus the religious crap. You find that they were still
> fiscally irresponsible, terribly dishonest, were horrible at foreign
> affairs, and pretty much did a poor to awful job in just about every
> area. From the inability to deal with Katrina, to the failure to pay
> attention to the 9/11 threat, to the failure to oversee the financial
> sector, to the eroding of our civil rights, they did everything poorly.
> This is mainly due to their right wing philosophy and to electing
> incompetents.
>
> It will be the same thing if Romney is elected. He has a team that is
> filled with people from the Bush administration. They want another
> chance to try what they did last time. You see, they didn't learn that
> what they did doesn't work. They think they just need another chance to
> try it again. If you let them you deserve what happens. Hello war with Iran.
>

> Hawke- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Agreed.

TMT

[Hawke]

Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America. As the populace becomes stupider
and more booblike they tend to lean to the right. That's why we need
better education. The more educated people are the more liberal they
become. Except in some circumstances where they people are just too pig
headed to learn.

Hawke

[Hawke]

You brain dead dumb cluck. I wasn't talking about the massacre of
Verden. The incident I was talking about and that one are totally
different. After all, the law I was talking about didn't come about
until 789. So killing 5000 people for cremating their dead wouldn't
happen until that practice was determined to be a capital crime, and
that didn't happen until seven years after the massacre of Verden.

How can you be that stupid? The slaughter I was talking about took place
years later, it was in a different place, they were not the same
nationality of people, and the reason for the killings was completely
different. As usual you shoot off your mouth when you don't have the
facts. You are so quick to find fault that you are wrong all the time.
Proving you to be, almost always in error but never in doubt. That is a
shitty combination and it shows you for the complete fool you are.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 11:43 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 10/8/2012 1:34 PM, Oglethorpe wrote:
>> "Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:k4t7cj$rks$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 10/7/2012 3:02 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
>>>> best to get Obama re-elected:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"
>>>>
>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>> underpinnings of
>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>> they

>>>> are �lies straight from the pit of hell.�

>>>>
>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>> comments in
>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>> Baptist
>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.
>>>>
>>>> Here are his remarks:
>>>>

>>>> �God�s word is true. I�ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was

>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies

>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It�s lies to try to keep me and all the

>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.

>>>> There�s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that

>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
>>>> bullshit snipped]
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evolution-hell-20121007,0,4628858.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>>
>>>
>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
>>> time they tried to govern?
>>
>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
>
> No, Bush's deficits were huge. The Republicans are no better than the
> Democrats when it comes to the deficit. Where they are better is on
> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
foot off the neck of business. So that was a huge mistake too.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 1:32 PM, Oglethorpe wrote:

>>> It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>> candidate.
>>
>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>
>
>
> Mormons are Christians.

Are they? Since when did the real Christians say they accepted Mormonism
as a legitimate wing of Christianity? I still hear Christians saying
Mormonism is a cult. That's right too. If you look up the word cult you
can't help but see that the Mormon church fits the definition extremely
well.

Hawke

[George Plimpton]

No, it's not. It's the smartening up of America. Americans learned
that the 1960s were the dark ages. Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
degrees away from that mess.

Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
strongholds of Democrats.

There's one other factor at work. Conservatives marry and have
children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
because they're too self absorbed. The children of conservatives are
likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves. The result is more
conservatives relative to leftists.

[George Plimpton]

There was only *one* large massacre under Charlemagne. He never
massacred another 5,000, for any reason. You're full of shit.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/8/2012 12:40 PM, Hawke wrote:
> On 10/8/2012 11:43 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 10/8/2012 1:34 PM, Oglethorpe wrote:
>>> "Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>> news:k4t7cj$rks$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> On 10/7/2012 3:02 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>> Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
>>>>> best to get Obama re-elected:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"
>>>>>
>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>> physician
>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>> they

>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>
>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>> comments in
>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>> Baptist
>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are his remarks:
>>>>>

>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I

>>>>> was
>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies

>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the

>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.

>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that

>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
>>>>> bullshit snipped]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evolution-hell-20121007,0,4628858.story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
>>>> time they tried to govern?
>>>
>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
>>
>> No, Bush's deficits were huge. The Republicans are no better than the
>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit. Where they are better is on
>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.
>
>
> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
> foot off the neck of business.

No, it wasn't. The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
That's what caused the crisis.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/8/2012 12:42 PM, Hawke wrote:
> On 10/8/2012 1:32 PM, Oglethorpe wrote:
>
>>>> It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>> candidate.
>>>
>>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mormons are Christians.
>
>
> Are they? Since when did the real Christians

Ha ha ha ha ha! You fucking idiot.

[ATP]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
news:25ednZ6lrcdcge7N...@mchsi.com...

They can call themselves whatever they like, and saying they are Christian
is a way to be considered acceptable. But Joseph Smith's stories are not
merely another interpretation of the New Testament. What Christian believes
that he can eventually become a god running his own planet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSlbuli7HM

[Gunner]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:34:03 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:

The horror....the horror.....



--
Adde cruorem stultitiae, atque ignem gladio scrutare:
To your folly add bloodshed, and stir the fire with the sword (Horace)

[whoyakidding]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:42:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>I have to hope for Republican victories at the
>national level,

Voting for one but hoping for another to win. Like I said, the guy
you're bitching about is a knuckle dragging idiot doing exactly what
he thinks will win your knuckle dragging idiot vote.

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 12:46 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

>> You brain dead dumb cluck. I wasn't talking about the massacre of
>> Verden. The incident I was talking about and that one are totally
>> different. After all, the law I was talking about didn't come about
>> until 789.
>
> There was only *one* large massacre under Charlemagne. He never
> massacred another 5,000, for any reason.

You mean that you ever heard of. But that's nothing. You know so little
of history I'm not surprised you never heard of this incident.

Hawke
>

[Tom Gardner]

Was the baggie full of pot?

[Tom Gardner]

The values of the leftists are void of morals. They make them up as
they go according to what feels good at the time.

[Tom Gardner]

Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
overpowered them. Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.

[Hawke]

Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
values. That's why they have to go to people like Sean Hannity to tell
them what liberals are like. Does Sean Hannity know anything at all? No
but stupid conservatives hang on his every word anyway. If you want to
know what a conservative is look at Sean Hannity. A stupid uneducated
religious zealot. That's what conservatives are. Is the country turning
into people like that? No it isn't. They are becoming a smaller minority
all the time. Only knuckle draggers listen to people like Hannity.

Hawke

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/8/2012 12:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 5:47 PM, Hawke wrote:
>> On 10/7/2012 5:38 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>>> Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>>
>>>>>> It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>>> candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>>>>

He just hates Christians and will say ANY lies he can dream up. The
rest of the libtards just suck it up.

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 4:59 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this
>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> time they tried to govern?
>>>>>
>>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
>>>>
>>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge. The Republicans are no better than the
>>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit. Where they are better is on
>>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.
>>>
>>>
>>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>>> foot off the neck of business.
>>
>> No, it wasn't. The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
>> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
>> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
>> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
>> That's what caused the crisis.
>>
>
> Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
> overpowered them. Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
> Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.

Inhaling too many brush fibers for too many years has caused Tom's
dementia. Too bad, but that's what a dirty environment will do to you.

Hawke

[whoyakidding]

He was probably BORN mentally deficient. And he'd be working a job
more dead end than the one he has now if he hadn't inherited daddy's
shop.

[George Plimpton]

On 10/8/2012 4:05 PM, whoyakidding wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:42:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> I have to hope for Republican victories at the
>> national level,
>
> Voting for one but hoping for another to win.

Yes, I vote for the Libertarian candidate as a matter of principle, but
as a matter of practical effect, I want the Republican candidate to
defeat the Democrat statist.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Tom Gardner" <Mars@Tacks> wrote in message
news:RI6dnf6l7OlN-u7N...@giganews.com...

The only problem is that every generation of children of conservatives
contains enough idiots to produce the next generation of leftists.
If that problem could be addressed, then yes, pinkies will disappear after a
few generations.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>The values of the leftists are void of morals. They make them up as
>they go according to what feels good at the time.

That's why they so desperately need polls. Without polls, they
wouldn't know what to think, or what to believe in.

With polls, they can comfortably settle into the "hive-mind" and never
have to think.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:55:00 -0700 typed
in misc.survivalism the following:

>
>>>>
>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>>
>>>
>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
>>> time they tried to govern?
>>
>>Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
>>
>The horror....the horror.....

"Please don't throw me in that briar patch."
--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> on Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:32:44 -0700

typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>

>"Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
>news:8n54785s5m302ju4b...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 6, 9:52 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today...says
>>>> he WILL NOT VOTE for Romney because Romney will make Mormonism the
>>>> State Religion if elected....and would vote for Obama to keep America
>>>> a Christian Nation.
>>>>
>>>> Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
>>>> he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.
>>>>
>>>> Like many subjects, we do not know what stand Flip Flop Mitt has on
>>>> most things.
>>>>
>>>> But we do know that he gets his orders from Salt Lake City and the
>>>> LDS.
>>>>
>>>> TMT
>>>

>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>candidate.
>>
>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>

>Mormons are Christians.

More Christian than the Democrat Party, but ... that still isn't
saying much.

I'm going to leave the theologizing out of this.

tschus
pyotr

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:39:59 -0400 typed in
misc.survivalism the following:

>On 10/8/2012 10:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:

>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>
>> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>> Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.
>>
>Was the baggie full of pot?

That's what he thought.

Actually he was sold a baggie containing the Sacred Medicinal Herb
of the Native Americans. He thought it was pot.


tschus
pyotr

Had a friend who took advantage of her Native American genes, to sell
the Sacred Medicinal Herb of the Native Americans to frat boys. It
wasn't their job to educate the frat boys how the Natives considered
Tobacco to be the Sacred Herb.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Who needs the Borg, when you already have the DNC?

[George Plimpton]

On 10/8/2012 4:54 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

The left are entirely inconsistent on morals and morality. They make a
big show of rejecting traditional morals as "quaint", and if you press
them on it, they act as if not only traditional moral values are quaint,
but the very notion of morality as being objective. Yet, you don't have
to push very hard in another direction to find them postulating their
own absolute morality: racism is "absolutely wrong" in their view; it
is wrong that people don't have the health care they "deserve"; etc. etc.

[George Plimpton]

Liberals are immoral.

[Steve B]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote

> Mormons are Christians.

Yes, they are. Well, other than believing that God was once a man, Satan
and Jesus were brothers, that there are different heavens, that men can
attain a state of godhood in this life and the afterlife, that their
prophets receive messages from God, that reaching heaven is based on deeds
and rituals rather than grace, that there was an ancient society in the
Americas made up of Mormons, and several other things.

But other than that, they are just the same as Christians.

Well, kinda sorta any way.

If you are truly interested:
www.exmormon.org and www.whatdomormonsbelieve.org will give you the beliefs
of what Mormons believe, and where the writings can be found in their
literature that is apart from the Bible. Plus stories from Mormons and
ex-Mormons about their experiences.

Steve

[Mike Lovell]

On 10/6/2012 7:52 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
> he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.

It is vastly more likely that Obama will try to force all Americans to
convert to his Muslim faith if he's re-elected.

[Gunner]

True indeed.

[Harold & Susan Vordos]

"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
news:ocOdnRAxib28s-7N...@giganews.com...
> On 10/8/2012 12:42 PM, Hawke wrote:
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha! You fucking idiot.
>

Sigh!

Your mamma needs to wash out your filthy mouth.

You'd gain so much more in the way of credibility if you could speak without
profanity. Is that the only thing you know?

Harold

[SaPeIsMa]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6e4789ijvandltgl...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>
>>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>candidate.
>>>
>>>"Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>>

>>>Mountain Meadows massacre
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854
>>
>>The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
>
>

> Then we have the other Verdun...where nearly a million men died in
> less than a year, chopped or choked to death
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7712419.stm
>
> http://www.wereldoorlog1418.nl/battleverdun/getuigen.htm
>
>
>
>
> Btw...some original color photographs of the French at Verdun.
> http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Verdun_Color/Verdun_Color_00.htm
>
> Check em out...color puts a far different face on the times.
>

And then ther were the more recent killings by Socialists (pushing
atheism/agnosticism) of various shades, in the Soviet, China, Cambodia Cuba,
etc., which totaled over 140,000,000 victims in less than a century

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:13:44 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>

>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

>>><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>>>>>candidate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mountain Meadows massacre
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>>>>>Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>>>>>rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>>>>>against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>>>>>them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>>>>>having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
>>>>>

>>>>>Nice try Klaus but 782?
>>>>

>>>>Christianity is over 2000 years old, you know. What's the difference
>>>>between going back to 782 or 1840's?
>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmmmm?

>>>>
>>>>>Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>>>>>with rebels.
>>>>

>>>>Goal post move!

>>>>
>>>>>A far cry from the modern billion dollar corporation that is
>>>>>Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as
>>>>

>>>>I have some sad news for you. Smith is dead. They haven't murdered any
>>>>settlers in years.
>>>
>>>It's the general principle of the theology of "cutting throats " not
>>>the specific instance in question.
>>
>>LOL Ah, it's general principles. I see. And these "general principles
>>are enumerated where?"
>>
>>Are they similar to the general principles of the Old Testament?

>>
>>
>>>>>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>>>>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>>>>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>>>>better let the matter alone"
>>>>

>>>>How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
>>>>twenty years?
>>>
>>>Who knows?
>>
>>Well you obviously have no fucking clue.
>
>and neither do you

I'm guessing none.


>>>Los Angeles: 36.9
>>>
>>>Miami: 25.3
>>>
>>>New York: 20.9
>>>
>>>Seattle 26.2
>>>
>>>Salt Lake City: 58.4
>>>
>>> No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most ‘holy’
>>>lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then
>>>why are the statistics showing otherwise?
>>
>>Looks like it is a misprint. SLC isn't listed here
>>http://galleries.forbes.com/gallery/The_Most_Dangerous_U.S._Cities_For_Women#image=0dJs5kD5RJei0&view=filmstrip
>
>
[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>Nor here
>>http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-6
>
>
[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>So are you intentionally lying, or just so consumed by your hate and
>>fear of Mormons that you'll believe anything anyone tells you?
>>
>>
>>Yet you can't show ANY of the rapists were Mormon. Not a single one.
>
>
[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>
>>Meanwhile.....
>>
>>http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
>>Lifetime Prevalence of Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator by State of
>>Residence
>>
>>Utah- Average

>>
>>>>>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>>>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>>>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>>>>

>>>>This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
>>>>Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
>>>
>>>Nevertheless it's what the cult was founded on
>>
>>ROFLMAO
>>
>>No worse than some of the stuff in the Old Testament.
>
>
[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>Moving on..........
>>
>>
>>>>Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
>>>>Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
>>>>Mormons.
>>>
>>>Actually their corporate activities should be of more concern given
>>>they feel poised to take over the world and usher in their prophesies
>>>with a Mormon US President.
>>
>>WHAT prophesies?
>
>
[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>Give me details.
>>
>>> If the LDS Church were a U.S. corporation, by revenues it
>>>would rank around the midpoint number 243 on the Fortune 500 list.
>>>(Ibid. p. 127)
>>
>>Good for them. They have their shit together.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Tom Gardner" <Mars@Tacks> wrote in message
news:kq6dndSq7sPM-e7N...@giganews.com...

> On 10/8/2012 10:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>

>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:lho278phijuf8kic1...@4ax.com...

>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>
>> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>> Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.
>>
>>
>
> Was the baggie full of pot?

Probably "choom"..

[Tom Gardner]

Who is Sean Hannity and why do you listen to him?

[SaPeIsMa]

"Tom Gardner" <Mars@Tacks> wrote in message

news:wt-dnRZSu_TJ2-nN...@giganews.com...

Aren't you just amazed at all the "love" emanating from pinkies
It's a wonder that they could be so caring and considerate of their
less-fortunate fellows

And with that kind of attitude, one has to wonder why NO ONE is just lining
up to be cared for by the programs they propose.

[George Plimpton]

*EXCEPT* that they're lining up in Cleveland to get their Obamaphones.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Tom Gardner" <Mars@Tacks> wrote in message news:wt-dnRZSu_TJ2-

> Who is Sean Hannity and why do you listen to him?

Many conservatives are former liberals who grew up.

Libs who haven't yet cannot understand.

[George Plimpton]

Quote often attributed to Winston Churchill: "If you are young, and not
liberal, then you don't have a heart. If you are old, and not
conservative, then you don't have a brain." Also sometimes rendered as:
"If at 20 you're not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 50 you're
still liberal, you have no brain."

The sentiment is quite clear, regardless of wording, and it is pure wisdom.

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:55:00 -0700 typed
> in misc.survivalism the following:
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
> >>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
> >>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
> >>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
> >>> time they tried to govern?
> >>
> >>Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
> >>
> >The horror....the horror.....
>
> "Please don't throw me in that briar patch."

Oh, come on, you'll love it in there! ;-)

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Tue, 09 Oct 2012
12:28:58 -0400 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

What do you mean, "love it in there" - I tell you it is nothing
but full-time work _plus overtime_ - leaves me with no time at all for
worrying if my 401k is going to grow 8% or 15%.
"Ah but we were happy then.
Drinking cold tea from a cracked cup.
Without milk or sugar!
Without tea, even."


tschus
pyotr

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 6:50 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

>>> The values of the leftists are void of morals. They make them up as
>>> they go according to what feels good at the time.
>>
>>
>> Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
>> values.
>
> Liberals are immoral.
>

Conservatives are the mob the founding fathers were afraid of.


Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 5:21 PM, whoyakidding wrote:

>>>
>>> Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
>>> overpowered them. Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
>>> Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.
>>
>>

>> Inhaling too many brush fibers for too many years has caused Tom's
>> dementia. Too bad, but that's what a dirty environment will do to you.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> He was probably BORN mentally deficient. And he'd be working a job
> more dead end than the one he has now if he hadn't inherited daddy's
> shop.


There's no denying that.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/8/2012 5:02 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 10/8/2012 12:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 10/7/2012 5:47 PM, Hawke wrote:

>>> On 10/7/2012 5:38 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>>>> candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mountain Meadows massacre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>>>> Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>>>> rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>>>> against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>>>> them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>>>> having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
>>>>
>>>> Nice try Klaus but 782?
>>>>

>>>> Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>>>> with rebels.
>>>>

>>>> A far cry from the modern billion dollar corporation that is
>>>> Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as
>>>>

>>>> "a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>>> caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>>> judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>>> better let the matter alone"
>>>>

>>>> "[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>> if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>> earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> A long long way from "turn the other cheek" don't you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> One time Chalemagne had 5,000 people put to the sword because they would
>>> not stop their pagan ways. In this example they were using the old
>>> method of cremation for disposing of their dead. Charlemagne wanted them
>>> to follow the Christian way of burying the dead. When the pagan way was
>>> continued he slaughtered 5,000 of them. I don't know if this is the same
>>> incident as described above but it shows what kind of people Christians
>>> were, which is pretty much like all religious fanatics.
>>
>> You're full of shit. The massacre of Verden describe above *is* the
>> same one, and it was *not* because of any following of "pagan ways".
>> Once again, you don't know history.
>>
>
>
> He just hates Christians and will say ANY lies he can dream up. The
> rest of the libtards just suck it up.



You have no idea what we're talking about so why put in your .02 cents?
The two incidents are separate. One happened in 782 and was the massacre
of thousands of Saxon prisoners.

The one I was referring to took place in 789 and was when Charlemagne
had thousands killed because they were not burying the dead as
Christianity demanded. It was for cremating their dead that Charlemagne
slaughtered 5,000 more people.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/9/2012 8:44 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

>>>
>>> The values of the leftists are void of morals. They make them up as
>>> they go according to what feels good at the time.
>>
>>
>> Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
>> values. That's why they have to go to people like Sean Hannity to tell
>> them what liberals are like. Does Sean Hannity know anything at all? No
>> but stupid conservatives hang on his every word anyway. If you want to
>> know what a conservative is look at Sean Hannity. A stupid uneducated
>> religious zealot. That's what conservatives are. Is the country turning
>> into people like that? No it isn't. They are becoming a smaller minority
>> all the time. Only knuckle draggers listen to people like Hannity.
>>
>> Hawke
>
> Who is Sean Hannity and why do you listen to him?

You listen to him. He's on your favorite network; Foxnews. You haven't
heard of it either, right? Sorry but you're a rightwinger so the idea
you don't know who Hannity is isn't believable any more than you not
watching Fox News. All you right wingers get you're information from
there, or right wing radio programs. You can't fool anyone.

Hawke

[Hawke]

Said by a man the British people sent packing for being way too right
wing. Very sensible of them.

Hawke

[Tom Gardner]

Leftists can only regurgitate what they are programmed to. They don't
have the slightest idea about what they are regurgitating and are
incapable of forming their own opinions.

[Tom Gardner]

As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about, I'm a registered
Democrat and I'm appalled at what the far, far left has done to my
party...people like YOU have destroyed the Democrat Party with your hate
and regurgitated, programed drivel. You are just a useful idiot to your
masters.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 10, 6:24 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
> > . And he'd be working a job
> > more dead end than the one he has now if he hadn't inherited daddy's
> > shop.
>
> There's no denying that.
>
> Hawke

So what is your excuse for not working? How dead end can one get?

Cheers

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/8/2012 8:21 PM, whoyakidding wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:04:17 -0700, Hawke
> <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>
>> On 10/8/2012 4:59 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this
>>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> time they tried to govern?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge. The Republicans are no better than the
>>>>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit. Where they are better is on
>>>>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>>>>> foot off the neck of business.
>>>>
>>>> No, it wasn't. The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
>>>> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
>>>> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
>>>> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
>>>> That's what caused the crisis.
>>>>
>>>

>>> Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
>>> overpowered them. Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
>>> Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.
>>
>>
>> Inhaling too many brush fibers for too many years has caused Tom's
>> dementia. Too bad, but that's what a dirty environment will do to you.
>>
>> Hawke
>

> He was probably BORN mentally deficient. And he'd be working a job

> more dead end than the one he has now if he hadn't inherited daddy's
> shop.
>

Not mentally deficient enough to get a cheese-check like YOU! How's
that going for you? Can you trade your Cheese-check for enough booze
and drugs to keep you happy? What will happen when Obammy loses and you
get cut off from the Gov. tit? We ALL know you have no skills and can't
play well with others...and people laugh at your drool cup attached to
your chin from childhood. Can you still live in your mothers trailer
without drugs to share with her? Do her "boyfriends" still make you sit
on their laps and call them "uncle" while rubbing your leg? (You like
that, don't you) Hey, you can move into Hawk's parents' house, he
hasn't bled them dry...yet. You can live in his special room in the
basement and the two of you can plan the Revolution while wearing your
Foil Helmets. Good luck!

[George Plimpton]

Nope - that would absolutely be the left; you know, that Cleveland twat
squawking about her "Obamaphone":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio. That woman is the typical
Democrat.

[Tom Gardner]

His parents still have some assets, he hasn't bled them quite dry yet.

[George Plimpton]

There was no second massacre. You're full of shit.