<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <ljaq...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012
>16:42:53 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:
>>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:04:31 -0700, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:51:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:13:10 -0700 typed
>>>>in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:50:58 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>>If Obama wins...we WILL have the Second American Revolution.

>>>>>>>Bank on it.

>>>>>>I'm certain it -will- happen. That's why I want Ron Paul to win. It
>>>>>>might circumvent the bloodshed...if he can hammer some sense into the
>>>>>>lying, cheating, thieving bastards we call CONgress.

>>>>>Never happen, not in a million years.

>>>>        Isn't Ron Paul being reelected as a Republican?
>>>Correct

>>Yes, but he's a Libertarian at heart.

>    So why doesn't he run for Congress as a Libertarian?

>    Bernie Sanders runs as a Socialist, and he gets elected and
>re-elected.  Of course, he is the only openly Socialist in the
>Democrat caucus (the rest just are too bashful to admit it.)

>>>>        And how much impact has he had on the House of Representatives?

>>>Damned little

>>As a co-worker.  But he is being felt and listened to more now.

>    Because of his efforts, or because the TEA party has caused a sea
>change in the GOP in regards to "conservative values"?

>>>>        And why do the Libertarians feel that if they elect a Libertarian
>>>>as President, he can dictate policy, laws and budgets to the Congress
>>>>of the US?  Or do they expect him to rule by Executive Order?  

>>>Excellent question and one they have no answer for. These same
>>>Libertarians (large L) piss and moan about Obummer ruling by Executive
>>>Order btw.

>>>>        Have not these Libertarians understood the Constitution, that the
>>>>three branches of Government are co-equal?  And that budgets and laws
>>>>are to originate in the Congress, not the Executive branch?

>>>Evidently not.

>>Kennedy gave us the moon... He had the people behind him.

>    Nice response, but it does not answer the questions: Do these
>Libertarians not understand the Constitution, that the three branches
>of Government are co-equal?  Or that budgets and laws are to originate
>in the Congress, not the Executive branch?

>    It was not Kennedy who appropriated the money to buy the real
>estate, buy the parts, or pay the engineers.  That had to happen in
>the House.

>>>Now this has always left me a bit confused as to WHY they think this
>>>is possible.  Perhaps its their honest furor, perhaps its wishful
>>>thinking, or perhaps its way too much pot consumed before posting.

>>Because a President has more power than a co-worker CONgresscritter.
>>He can tell the worl he wants to do something and the CONgress usually
>>concedes to it.  'Course, all the press and massive amounts of letters
>>from constituents to the CONs help, too.

>    So, what you want is a Libertarian Obama, who will rule by
>executive order, send bills to the Congress for their approval,while
>the Supreme Court finds the legal reasoning why beloved leaders
>actions are Constitutional?

>    Does anyone else recall Nehemiah Scudder?