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George Plimpton

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Oct 4, 2012, 2:12:12 AM10/4/12
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On 10/3/2012 11:09 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> [steaming load snipped]

Romney won. You know he did.


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George Plimpton

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Oct 4, 2012, 10:28:39 AM10/4/12
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On 10/4/2012 12:36 AM, Fair Play wrote:
> Sure, he was meant to.

Ha ha ha! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


> It was what scholars call a Pyrrhic victory.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!


You are one of the dumbest twats ever seen here.

no hope or change

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Oct 4, 2012, 11:27:40 AM10/4/12
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On 10/4/2012 12:09 AM, Fair Play wrote:
> President Obama simply gave Romney enough rope to hang himself with by
> allowing him to incant his usual litany of easily refuted lies and
> self-contradictions to a 60 million audience.

Rotflol!

That's some kinda extra-special reality distortion machine you got
there, floppy.

> After all, except in different venues, he can't please the Tea Party
> insurgents, the traditional Republican base, the evangelicals, and the
> sane independents he needs all at the same time, so he clearly pivoted
> to the center, and may well ultimately lose more votes than he gained

LOL!

> Don't forget while Romney is playing checkers President Obama is
> playing three dimensional chess.

Oh wow man, you're like a first iteration Trekkie too, lololol!!!!

Obama got pwnd.

More to come.

Enjoy the aftermath.

no hope or change

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Oct 4, 2012, 11:32:50 AM10/4/12
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On 10/4/2012 1:36 AM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:12:12 -0700, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
> Sure, he was meant to.

Ah...I see now...it was...pre-ordained?

Well, if God had a favorite, it certainly wasn't going to be the sleeper
cell in office now...

> It was what scholars call a Pyrrhic victory.

"scholars"?

Lol.

Why not invoke your neighbor's cat next time...

> He pivoted to the center, won the first debate and in doing so lost
> himself the election.

Right...

> He even humiliated and domineered the moderator.

"humiliated", with what, kindness and good humor?

LOL!

> He supported Romneycare, and the mandatory insurance policies while
> saying those with pre-existing conditions will be cut off again.

That's a flat fucking lie, he said precisely the OPPOSITE, and YOU know it!


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-ill-cover-pre-existing-conditions-obama-no-you-wont.php

�Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan,� he said. �Young
people are able to stay on their family plan. That is already offered in
the private marketplace. You do not need the government to mandate that.�

> He shot himself so many times in the foot it was deafening.
>
> Any uncritical independent votes he may have sw

-snip-


You're a fucking L_I_A_R!

Now go straight to HELL!



no hope or change

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Oct 4, 2012, 11:53:15 AM10/4/12
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It is truly humorous, in a pathetic way...

Seth F.

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Oct 4, 2012, 1:04:32 PM10/4/12
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> “Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan,” he said. “Young
> people are able to stay on their family plan. That is already offered in
> the private marketplace. You do not need the government to mandate that.”
>
> >He shot himself so many times in the foot it was deafening.
> >
> >Any uncritical independent votes he may have sw
>
> -snip-
>
>
> You're a fucking L_I_A_R!
>
> Now go straight to HELL!

We must be grateful to Hollywood for introducing a new meaning of
'liar' to the great unwashed masses. So the morons have another tool
for hatemongering and character assasination, while maintaining a
cheap veneer of deniability. So what?

I must say it is nice to see the principles if Newspeak and Ingsoc
gaining ground against the ravages of conventional English and direct
democracy.



no hope or change

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Oct 4, 2012, 1:27:09 PM10/4/12
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>> “Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan,†he said. “Young
>> people are able to stay on their family plan. That is already offered in
>> the private marketplace. You do not need the government to mandate that.â€
>>
>>> He shot himself so many times in the foot it was deafening.
>>>
>>> Any uncritical independent votes he may have sw
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>>
>> You're a fucking L_I_A_R!
>>
>> Now go straight to HELL!
>
> We must be grateful to Hollywood
No.

Fuck Hollywierd.

Fuck all LIARS.

And especially FUCK YOU TO HELL!
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i'll close gitmo

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Oct 6, 2012, 1:03:44 PM10/6/12
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On 10/5/2012 11:44 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> �No. 1,� declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday�s debate, �pre-existing
> conditions are covered under my plan.� No, they aren�t

Yes they are:

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care


Mitt's Plan


On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order
that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers
to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full
legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state
the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own
citizens. The federal government�s role will be to help markets work by
creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of
regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured,
and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the
flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the
approaches best suited to their own citizens.
�Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
�Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance
and Medicaid coverage
�Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private
partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
�Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk
pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
�Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to
dispute resolution

Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness,
offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It
can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance
to work.

�Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
�Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
�Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing
conditions who maintain continuous coverage
�Facilitate IT interoperability

Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power
to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the
center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring
that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.
�End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
�Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
�Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
�Promote "co-insurance" products
�Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
�Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans

i'll close gitmo

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Oct 6, 2012, 1:04:20 PM10/6/12
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On 10/5/2012 11:53 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:28:39 -0700, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/4/2012 12:36 AM, Fair Play wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:12:12 -0700, George Plimpton<geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/3/2012 11:09 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>>>> [steaming load snipped]
>>>>
>>>> Romney won. You know he did.
>>>
>>> Sure, he was meant to.
>>
>> Ha ha ha! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
>>
>>
>>> It was what scholars call a Pyrrhic victory.
>>
>> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
>>
>>
>> You are one of the dumbest twats ever seen here.
>
> Romney moves to the center

Oh no, you mean he WANTS to get things done?

Wow...terrible thing....
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Oct 6, 2012, 4:30:57 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 2:04 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> The only thing he would like to get done is to elevate himself to a
> position of power and he is clearly prepared to throw the
> evangelicals, Ryan and the Tea Party, and a large part of his base and
> one time supporters under the bus in the hope of doing so.

Oh my...so now he's on the outs with Ryan?

seriously?

LOLOLOL!!!!


Your desperation is delicious.

i'll close gitmo

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Oct 6, 2012, 4:37:29 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 2:13 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:03:44 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2012 11:44 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>> “No. 1,” declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday’s debate, “pre-existing
>>> conditions are covered under my plan.” No, they aren’t
>>
>> Yes they are:
>
> No they are not.

Yes they are.


> Only for those with "continuing coverage"

Nope, that's a lie.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/romney-adviser-fields-questions-on-pre-existing-conditions/

As governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a health reform law which
included protections against people with pre-existing conditions being
denied health coverage or being charged higher prices.

Fehrnstrom explained that Romney supports giving states power to
determine what plan best suits their local needs, but also supports a
guarantee of coverage for those who, absent legislation, might be denied
insurance or reach coverage limits, an aim of Obama's legislation.

"The governor believes that those who have continuous coverage should
not be dropped, if they change plans and have a pre-existing condition.
But states are well situated to manage these issues," he said.

Romney has said in recent interviews that coverage for individuals with
pre-existing conditions would be part of his plans.

"My plan is to help bring down the cost of this extraordinary health
care inflation, and so instead of putting in place what's affectionately
known as Obamacare, I would repeal that and replace that with measures
that are designed to help bring down the cost of health insurance and
make sure at the same time people have access to health care,
preexisting conditions are able to be covered," he said on "Live with
Kelly and Michael" in September.

And in an interview for "Meet the Press," Romney said "I'm not getting
rid of all of healthcare reform," specifically naming pre-existing
conditions, coverage for "family up to whatever age they might like,"
and reform the law which lets companies buy insurance for their
employees pre-tax, a benefit not granted to people shopping individually.

Romney also said an individual mandate that many or all people obtain
health coverage is not necessary to implement coverage of pre-existing
conditions and extend coverage of young adults under their families' plans

>
>> http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
>>
>>
>> Mitt's Plan
>>
>>
>> On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order
>> that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers
>> to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full
>> legislation as quickly as possible.
>>
>> In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state
>> the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own
>> citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by
>> creating a level playing field for competition.
>>
>> Restore State Leadership and Flexibility
>>
>> Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of
>> regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured,
>> and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the
>> flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the
>> approaches best suited to their own citizens.
>> •Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
>> •Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance
>> and Medicaid coverage
>> •Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private
>> partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
>> •Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk
>> pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
>> •Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to
>> dispute resolution
>>
>> Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition
>>
>> Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness,
>> offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It
>> can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance
>> to work.
>>
>> •Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
>> •Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
>> •Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing
>> conditions who maintain continuous coverage
>> •Facilitate IT interoperability
>>
>> Empower Consumer Choice
>>
>> For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power
>> to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the
>> center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring
>> that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.
>> •End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
>> •Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
>> •Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
>> •Promote "co-insurance" products
>> •Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
>> •Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans
>
> You neglect to mention he plans to cut off the federal subsidies which
> allowed Romneycare to succeed in Massachusetts, typically pulling up
> the ladder after himself.
>
> A blueprint for bankruptcy and death for seniors and chronically ill.

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Oct 6, 2012, 9:32:42 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 5:42 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:30:57 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
> You are an ignorant fool reduced to urging a vote because it isn't
> President Obama
>
> Things Are So Bad For Romney, Republicans Are Letting Him Tout
> RomneyCare


Um...he's done health care before, feel free to tell us what a mistake
that was, lol.

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Oct 6, 2012, 9:33:32 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 5:54 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:37:29 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2012 2:13 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:03:44 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/5/2012 11:44 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>>>> �No. 1,� declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday�s debate, �pre-existing
>>>>> conditions are covered under my plan.� No, they aren�t
>>>>
>>>> Yes they are:
>>>
>>> No they are not.
>>
>> Yes they are.
>
> No they are not,

YOU are a congentital LIAR!
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Oct 7, 2012, 1:48:46 PM10/7/12
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On 10/6/2012 11:21 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:33:32 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2012 5:54 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:37:29 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/6/2012 2:13 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:03:44 -0600, i'll close gitmo<y...@believed.me>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2012 11:44 PM, Fair Play wrote:
>>>>>>> �No. 1,� declared Mitt Romney in Wednesday�s debate, �pre-existing
>>>>>>> conditions are covered under my plan.� No, they aren�t
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they are:
>>>>>
>>>>> No they are not.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they are.
>>>
>>> No they are not,
>>
>> YOU are a congentital LIAR!
>
> After the first presidential debate at the University of Denver in
> Colorado on Wednesday night, one of Mitt Romney�s top advisers
> acknowledged that,
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On 10/7/2012 12:49 PM, Fair Play wrote:
> You can't alter the facts by snipping.
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