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et...@whidbey.com
Nov 17, 2012, 7:41:50 PM11/17/12
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The power to my shop runs on the high side. This has caused problems
with the spindle drive in one of my machines. Thanks to Paul Drahn I
will have some transformers soon to rectify, oh wait, it's AC, so
remedy is a better word choice, the power problem. In the meantime,
with the 8 inch chuck on the lathe, the power keeps spiking past the
limit and the lathe shuts down. So to lower the voltage I need to run
the manual lathe and the Bridgeport mill. Sheesh! I won't be getting
the transformers until the monday after Thanksgiving because of
various reasons, none of which have to do with the kind transformer
donor Paul Drahn or his son who lugged the things 1/12 hours closer
to me. And even if I had them I'm too busy to take the time to shut
the machine down to wire the voltage changers in. Fortunately all the
power consumed by the extra motors running contributes to heating the
shop so I can't complain too much. I just wanted to vent. And speaking
of the word vent, when I was a child my brothers and I would look
through encyclopedias at the pictures (artists conceptions) of
dinosaurs. There would be descriptions printed by and on the pictures
with arrows pointing to the descripted item. Eye, tail etc. We used
to laugh at the arrow pointing to the anus because it always said
"vent". So vent has always made myself and my brothers laugh. And we
are all pretty close to 60 years old.
Eric
with the spindle drive in one of my machines. Thanks to Paul Drahn I
will have some transformers soon to rectify, oh wait, it's AC, so
remedy is a better word choice, the power problem. In the meantime,
with the 8 inch chuck on the lathe, the power keeps spiking past the
limit and the lathe shuts down. So to lower the voltage I need to run
the manual lathe and the Bridgeport mill. Sheesh! I won't be getting
the transformers until the monday after Thanksgiving because of
various reasons, none of which have to do with the kind transformer
donor Paul Drahn or his son who lugged the things 1/12 hours closer
to me. And even if I had them I'm too busy to take the time to shut
the machine down to wire the voltage changers in. Fortunately all the
power consumed by the extra motors running contributes to heating the
shop so I can't complain too much. I just wanted to vent. And speaking
of the word vent, when I was a child my brothers and I would look
through encyclopedias at the pictures (artists conceptions) of
dinosaurs. There would be descriptions printed by and on the pictures
with arrows pointing to the descripted item. Eye, tail etc. We used
to laugh at the arrow pointing to the anus because it always said
"vent". So vent has always made myself and my brothers laugh. And we
are all pretty close to 60 years old.
Eric
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
Nov 17, 2012, 9:42:35 PM11/17/12
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> The power to my shop runs on the high side.
What is "high"?
Lloyd
news:5saga8daqbf097pao...@4ax.com:
> The power to my shop runs on the high side.
Lloyd
Spuckle
Nov 17, 2012, 10:53:58 PM11/17/12
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We had pet budgies, the arrow pointing to the arse was always labelled
"vent".
Paul Drahn
Nov 18, 2012, 3:13:15 PM11/18/12
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Mark is in Washing DC, right now and won't get back home Wednesday, but
I guess you knew that already.
Comment on your description of dinosaurs. Mammals have separate exits
for solid and liquid waste. Anus for solid and urinary tract for liquid.
Birds, amphibians, and other species, including dinosaurs do not have
separate systems. All waste is eliminated by same mechanism. So a vent
is an appropriate name.
Paul
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 18, 2012, 3:53:53 PM11/18/12
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brothers and I) haven't grown up since. We still laugh at just the
punch lines from some jokes we have heard the first time 30 years ago.
ERic
Jim Stewart
Nov 20, 2012, 12:57:42 PM11/20/12
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If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
with them off.
I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
cost anything to try it.
turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
with them off.
I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
cost anything to try it.
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 21, 2012, 12:14:00 PM11/21/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
wrote:
>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>with them off.
>
>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>cost anything to try it.
>
I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
better than filters.
Eric
wrote:
>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>with them off.
>
>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>cost anything to try it.
>
voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
better than filters.
Eric
Larry Jaques
Nov 21, 2012, 1:50:53 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:14:00 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>wrote:
>
>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>with them off.
>>
>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>cost anything to try it.
>>
>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>better than filters.
Haven't you told your electric company of the problem and asked why
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>wrote:
>
>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>with them off.
>>
>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>cost anything to try it.
>>
>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>better than filters.
they are oversupplying your electricity? They might be able to fix
that for you with a call. Just cross your fingers. ;)
http://tinyurl.com/a3pmclx PG&E's statement for reference
--
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heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
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et...@whidbey.com
Nov 23, 2012, 12:06:27 PM11/23/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:50:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:14:00 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>>with them off.
>>>
>>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>>cost anything to try it.
>>>
>>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>>better than filters.
>
>Haven't you told your electric company of the problem and asked why
>they are oversupplying your electricity? They might be able to fix
>that for you with a call. Just cross your fingers. ;)
>
>http://tinyurl.com/a3pmclx PG&E's statement for reference
Unfortunately for me the voltage falls within the tolerance that the
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:14:00 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>>with them off.
>>>
>>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>>cost anything to try it.
>>>
>>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>>better than filters.
>
>Haven't you told your electric company of the problem and asked why
>they are oversupplying your electricity? They might be able to fix
>that for you with a call. Just cross your fingers. ;)
>
>http://tinyurl.com/a3pmclx PG&E's statement for reference
power company follows. It's really too bad that all my machines and
all the controls have the ability to take the higher voltage. The only
problem is the VFD inside one machine. I was able to change
transformer taps and make adjustments to current sensing devices in
the machine but the VFD was built to accept voltages no higher than
240 volts.
Eric
nob...@nowhere.net
Nov 23, 2012, 2:30:04 PM11/23/12
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installed in power generating plants. They used Sola transformers on
the inputs to all instruments to condition the incredibly dirty power
provided by the customers. you need to condition the power to the one
sensitive device not everything.
Larry Jaques
Nov 23, 2012, 2:44:26 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:06:27 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:50:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:14:00 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>>>with them off.
>>>>
>>>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>>>cost anything to try it.
>>>>
>>>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>>>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>>>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>>>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>>>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>>>better than filters.
>>
>>Haven't you told your electric company of the problem and asked why
>>they are oversupplying your electricity? They might be able to fix
>>that for you with a call. Just cross your fingers. ;)
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/a3pmclx PG&E's statement for reference
>Unfortunately for me the voltage falls within the tolerance that the
>power company follows.
Bummer.
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:50:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:14:00 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:57:42 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you have fluorescent lights in your shop,
>>>>turn them off and see if the VFD still trips
>>>>out. Mine sometimes does with them on, doesn't
>>>>with them off.
>>>>
>>>>I know it's clutching at straws, but it won't
>>>>cost anything to try it.
>>>>
>>>I just tried your suggestion. Didn't work. I'm sure the problem is the
>>>voltage is too high. The VFD says the voltage is too high. The specs
>>>for the VFD say the voltage in my shop is too high. But it was worth a
>>>try. Of course, if it was the lights then I would have had to try to
>>>figure out a way to filter out the noise. I understand transformers
>>>better than filters.
>>
>>Haven't you told your electric company of the problem and asked why
>>they are oversupplying your electricity? They might be able to fix
>>that for you with a call. Just cross your fingers. ;)
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/a3pmclx PG&E's statement for reference
>Unfortunately for me the voltage falls within the tolerance that the
>power company follows.
>It's really too bad that all my machines and
>all the controls have the ability to take the higher voltage. The only
>problem is the VFD inside one machine. I was able to change
>transformer taps and make adjustments to current sensing devices in
>the machine
that would have made your BBxfmr decision a bit easier.
>but the VFD was built to accept voltages no higher than
>240 volts.
widened within your unit? If not, I guess your only fix is to get a
buck/boost xfmr and buck the power down to whatever the VFD is comfy
with.
Or you could turn on every other machine in the shop to see if it
would load the circuit down a skosh. <GD&R>
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Nov 23, 2012, 2:45:00 PM11/23/12
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and a 5 volt secondary, rated for your full device load. Connect the
secondary in series with the load - one way will add 5 volts, the
other will subtract 5 volts (buck boost). Run the primary off a Variac
and you can adjust the amount of buck/boost you require. Dead simple,
compact, and cheap. You don't need a transformer with a secondary
capable of handling 240 volts at full load.
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 23, 2012, 6:05:38 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:44:26 -0800, Larry Jaques
That's sorta what I'm doing now. I need to run at least 1 3 hp motor
when using the collet on the lathe and when the 8 inch chuck is
mounted I need 5 hp of idling motors. But I get the xmfrs Monday! I
can hardly wait.
Eric
when using the collet on the lathe and when the 8 inch chuck is
mounted I need 5 hp of idling motors. But I get the xmfrs Monday! I
can hardly wait.
Eric
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 23, 2012, 6:06:58 PM11/23/12
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Eric
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 23, 2012, 6:09:29 PM11/23/12
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<SNIP>
Monday.
>One of my former employers made monitoring instruments that were
>installed in power generating plants. They used Sola transformers on
>the inputs to all instruments to condition the incredibly dirty power
>provided by the customers. you need to condition the power to the one
>sensitive device not everything.
That's the plan. I'll have the proper power conditioning devices
>installed in power generating plants. They used Sola transformers on
>the inputs to all instruments to condition the incredibly dirty power
>provided by the customers. you need to condition the power to the one
>sensitive device not everything.
Monday.
Pete C.
Nov 23, 2012, 8:37:26 PM11/23/12
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a more tolerant model might be an option.
et...@whidbey.com
Nov 24, 2012, 6:30:54 PM11/24/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:37:26 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:
Hopefully the buck transformers I'll be wiring in mext week will work.
An 11 kw VFD won't be cheap.
Eric
wrote:
An 11 kw VFD won't be cheap.
Eric
Ned Simmons
Dec 3, 2012, 10:56:08 AM12/3/12
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 15:30:54 -0800, et...@whidbey.com wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:37:26 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:37:26 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>With the relatively low cost of VFDs these days, replacing the VFD with
>>a more tolerant model might be an option.
>Hopefully the buck transformers I'll be wiring in mext week will work.
>An 11 kw VFD won't be cheap.
>Eric
I don't know what you consider cheap, but this is a good deal on an
>>a more tolerant model might be an option.
>Hopefully the buck transformers I'll be wiring in mext week will work.
>An 11 kw VFD won't be cheap.
>Eric
11kW drive. I've used quite a few of the Mitsubishi 5xx VFDs. I'm
pretty sure the "520" signifies a 240 volt input. The drive is a
couple generations out of date, but not ancient.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261136871624
--
Ned Simmons
et...@whidbey.com
Dec 3, 2012, 5:26:24 PM12/3/12
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:56:08 -0500, Ned Simmons <ne...@nedsim.com>
wrote:
Well, the xmfrs that I'm going to use to lower the voltage were given
to me and I paid my son about 200 bucks to go pick them up. So that's
cheaper (and faster) than the already $450.00 that VFD is up to.
Eric
wrote:
to me and I paid my son about 200 bucks to go pick them up. So that's
cheaper (and faster) than the already $450.00 that VFD is up to.
Eric
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