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Larry Jaques  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 1:27 pm
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From: Larry Jaques <ljaq...@invalid.diversifycomm.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:27:02 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 9 2012 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: Libertarians - still hoping for "The Man on a White Horse" to come and make them free - was Re: 12 v. power source
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:18:34 -0700, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:39:57 -0700, Larry Jaques
><ljaq...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:54:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>>Larry Jaques <ljaq...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012
>>>16:42:53 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:
>>>>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:04:31 -0700, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:51:10 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>>Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:13:10 -0700 typed
>>>>>>in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:
>>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:50:58 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>>>>If Obama wins...we WILL have the Second American Revolution.

>>>>>>>>>Bank on it.

>>>>>>>>I'm certain it -will- happen. That's why I want Ron Paul to win. It
>>>>>>>>might circumvent the bloodshed...if he can hammer some sense into the
>>>>>>>>lying, cheating, thieving bastards we call CONgress.

>>>>>>>Never happen, not in a million years.

>>>>>>        Isn't Ron Paul being reelected as a Republican?
>>>>>Correct

>>>>Yes, but he's a Libertarian at heart.

>>>    So why doesn't he run for Congress as a Libertarian?

>>He ran for President  in '88 as a Libertarian.

>And lost by a landslide

Libertarians are not well liked by the status quo.

>>>    Bernie Sanders runs as a Socialist, and he gets elected and
>>>re-elected.  Of course, he is the only openly Socialist in the
>>>Democrat caucus (the rest just are too bashful to admit it.)

>>>>>>        And how much impact has he had on the House of Representatives?

>>>>>Damned little

>>>>As a co-worker.  But he is being felt and listened to more now.

>>>    Because of his efforts, or because the TEA party has caused a sea
>>>change in the GOP in regards to "conservative values"?

>>Probably both.  Tell me about this "sea change".

>We take it you didnt notice the number of Republicans that were voted
>OUT of office in 2010..and their seats were taken by Tea Party
>Conservatives?

>RINOS...had to go.

I noticed that, and cheered it on.

>>>>>>        And why do the Libertarians feel that if they elect a Libertarian
>>>>>>as President, he can dictate policy, laws and budgets to the Congress
>>>>>>of the US?  Or do they expect him to rule by Executive Order?  

>>>>>Excellent question and one they have no answer for. These same
>>>>>Libertarians (large L) piss and moan about Obummer ruling by Executive
>>>>>Order btw.

>>>>>>        Have not these Libertarians understood the Constitution, that the
>>>>>>three branches of Government are co-equal?  And that budgets and laws
>>>>>>are to originate in the Congress, not the Executive branch?

>>>>>Evidently not.

>>>>Kennedy gave us the moon... He had the people behind him.

>>>    Nice response, but it does not answer the questions: Do these
>>>Libertarians not understand the Constitution, that the three branches
>>>of Government are co-equal?  Or that budgets and laws are to originate
>>>in the Congress, not the Executive branch?

>>I think they do.  People in high places influence others, especially
>>when The People are behind them.

>Yes..and?

And that's our hope for Paul next month.

>>>    It was not Kennedy who appropriated the money to buy the real
>>>estate, buy the parts, or pay the engineers.  That had to happen in
>>>the House.

>>Right.

>It wasnt?

I was _agreeing_, OK?  ;)   "Yeah, right." is indicative of
incredulous disagreement.

--
Energy and persistence alter all things.
                    --Benjamin Franklin


 
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