Outa here for awhile

[Jim Stewart]

No significant metal comment.

Will check back after the elections.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Stewart wrote:
>
> No significant metal comment.
>
> Will check back after the elections.

Later, Tater!

[Phil Kangas]

"Jim Stewart"

> No significant metal comment.
>
> Will check back after the elections.

I hear ya... Cleaned out my RCM file this
morning, just checked again and 137
new ones were posted and only 7 made
it through my filters and only one of them
was On Topic. ;>)}
phil k

[Stormin Mormon]

I agree, not a lot of metal working. I'm part of
the problem, and I ought to do better. My
apologies, sorry, Jim.

Vote Republican, the job you save may be
your own.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
news:k4nc52$mhm$1...@dont-email.me...

[Jim Wilkins]

> "Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
> news:k4nc52$mhm$1...@dont-email.me...
> No significant metal comment.

You could start a splinter group.

[Michael A. Terrell]

news:alt.rec.crafts.metalworking is almost dead.

[Joe Elenbaas]

On 10/5/2012 12:24 PM, Jim Stewart wrote:
> No significant metal comment.

It's gummer dweeber's fault.

[Stormin Mormon]

Not a metal splinter group? Those hurt.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k4nl95$f77$1...@dont-email.me...

[Pete C.]

Jim Stewart wrote:
>
> No significant metal comment.
>
> Will check back after the elections.

There is still metal content, you just need a better filter.

[Pete C.]

Wouldn't that be a sliver group?

[Steve B]

"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
news:k4nc52$mhm$1...@dont-email.me...

> No significant metal comment.
>
> Will check back after the elections.

I have been busy DOING metalwork.

Steve

[Ignoramus10923]

I see almost no political junk. I filtered out all crossposts and some
people.

i

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:36:25 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

Wouldn't a silver group be on-topic?

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

[ala...@iinet.net.oz]

That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
too much yap about crappy tools

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 5, 2:24 pm, Jim Stewart <jstew...@jkmicro.com> wrote:
> No significant metal comment.
>
> Will check back after the elections.

Give it a month after the elections.

It will take at least a month for the conservatives to quit bitching
and whining about their loss.

Have a good vacation.

TMT

[Michael A. Terrell]

I would hope so, but some people think that anything that shape is a
splinter. :)

[Michael A. Terrell]

ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
> >
> That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
> too much yap about crappy tools

Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

[Michael A. Terrell]

So have several cities around here. One is removing an old water
tower, and another just removed their old 'Space Needle' ride. About a
half million pounds of scrap steel, in total.

[Gunner]

Looks like another load to China.


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:04:46 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

> ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? wrote:
>
> ?
> ?Steve B wrote:
> ??
> ?? "Jim Stewart" ?jste...@jkmicro.com? wrote in message
> ?? news:k4nc52$mhm$1...@dont-email.me...
> ?? ? No significant metal comment.
> ?? ?
> ?? ? Will check back after the elections.
> ??
> ?? I have been busy DOING metalwork.
> ?
> ?
> ? So have several cities around here. One is removing an old water
> ?tower, and another just removed their old 'Space Needle' ride. About a
> ?half million pounds of scrap steel, in total.

>
> Looks like another load to China.

Probably. No steel mills around here. A lot leaves from the port of
Tampa.

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012

> 02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

> ?
> ?ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
> ?? ?
> ?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
> ?? too much yap about crappy tools
> ?
> ? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

>
> But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.

What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)

[Gunner]

Those in need of better tools?

[ATP]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:iaqv68phhcthp7fct...@4ax.com...

> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
> 02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>>> >
>>> That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
>>> too much yap about crappy tools
>>
>> Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.
>
> But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
> --
> pyotr

I was at Lowes recently, it was sad to see that Porter Cable is now
positioned below Dewalt as an economy line of tools. Reportedly they still
have a professional line.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ZfCdnbloNOPmVPLN...@earthlink.com...

That saying predates Chinese imports.

I bought four 21" Fiskars pruning saw replacement blades at HD and the
first one I installed twisted sideways and jammed, because the teeth
were about half a millimeter shorter on one side. I had to joint, set
and file it to make it cut right. At least the flame-hardened teeth
are soft enough to file. Two of the blades look nearly OK.
jsw

[Larry Jaques]

What craftsman has never made a mistake in purchasing? Ya buys yer
tools and ya takes yer chances. The crappy tools become backups once
you come to your senses. Or not.

I have a Makita impact driver but my old Ryobi drill motor is the
second one I've owned because they work so damned well for so little
money.

Ofttimes, the Ryobi will be used to drill pilots and the impact does
the work.

OTOH, there are Sears tools and Sears horsepower ratings...

[Jim Wilkins]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7svv6890n1q2r8jq6...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? on Sat, 06 Oct
>>> 2012
>>> 02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> ?
>>> ?ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>>> ?? ?
>>> ?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
>>> ?? too much yap about crappy tools
>>> ?
>>> ? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.
>>>
>>> But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
>>
>>
>> What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)
>
> Those in need of better tools?

I keep the good tools in the house and bought cheap ones for the
vehicles and the shed out back. Many of the shed tools have bright
orange handles to make them easier to round up after building
something out in the woods.

I took the $5 orange-handled claw hammer to a neighbor's deck-building
party where the pro carpenters snickered at it, but soon were
borrowing it. I had reground the striking face to the shape and angle
I learned from the old Swedish cabinetmaker who taught high-school
shop class.
jsw

[David R. Birch]

Sounds like the voice of management.

I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor
quality tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.

David

[Steve B]

"David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote

> Sounds like the voice of management.
>
> I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
> places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor quality
> tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.
>
> David

Funny. I seem to recall cathedrals and churches that have been standing for
hundreds of years made with wooden squares and inferior metal chisels. I
disagree that "a workman is only as good as his tools." Freeing a stuck
piece of pipe and getting the machine to work again happens whether you are
using a Ridgid pipe wrench or a HF Chinese POS. Too many men I have seen
have become overconfident by owning good tools, and like computers, the tool
will do so much more than the operator knows how to make it do. You show me
a craftsman that knows EVERY trick and variance to using all the tools in
his box, and I will show you one damn fine craftsman.

And then there's the rest of us. We all have tools in our toolchests and
garages that we don't fully understand how to use, or barely know how to
operate.

Steve

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
04:30:52 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

either "cheap" craftsmen, or crafty guys, who need something to
loam out, which they don't mind not getting back.

My dad once went to fix something at his mother in laws. She
still had her husbands tools. Lots of screw drivers. All "founds"
from by the side of the road. (Fred 'd been a road worker for a
while.) And Dad found out why they were all "finds" - nobody cared to
make sure they had been packed up when they left.

So yeah, sometimes you have crappy tools, so you can afford to
forget them.

tschus
pyotr

OTOH, it doesn't take many forgotten $1 yard sale knives or
flashlights to equal the one good one you would keep track of.

[DoN. Nichols]

I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
Remove oil spill source from e-mail
Email: <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >

> > What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)
>
> Those in need of better tools?

So they can keep doing crappy work? :(

[DoN. Nichols]

A "Sears Craftsman" these days? :-)

They *used* to be a lot better. (E.g back in the late 1960s and
early 1970s.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:30:52 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? on Sat, 06 Oct 2012
> >> 02:02:30 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >> ?
> >> ?ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
> >> ?? ?
> >> ?? That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
> >> ?? too much yap about crappy tools
> >> ?
> >> ? Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.
> >>
> >> But sometimes, it is the crappy tool.
> >
> >
> > What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)
>
> What craftsman has never made a mistake in purchasing? Ya buys yer
> tools and ya takes yer chances. The crappy tools become backups once
> you come to your senses. Or not.
>
> I have a Makita impact driver but my old Ryobi drill motor is the
> second one I've owned because they work so damned well for so little
> money.
>
> Ofttimes, the Ryobi will be used to drill pilots and the impact does
> the work.
>
> OTOH, there are Sears tools and Sears horsepower ratings...

I have some crap tools, but I didn't buy them. They were in the
bottom of free boxes of junk electronics I picked up for parts. Early
Japanese imports that make everything at HF look like they are made for
top notch machinists. One of these days I'll dig them out & take
photos. :)

[Michael A. Terrell]

I've pretty much given up on HD. There are plenty of real tool
dealers around here, and one that repairs almost any brand of
professional power tool.

[Michael A. Terrell]

That's a personal choice. I've left companies like that and found
work where they gave a damn about quality. :)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Steve B wrote:
>
> "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote
>
> > Sounds like the voice of management.
> >
> > I prefer "a workman is only as good as his tools". I've worked for a few
> > places that expected quality work from worn out or just plain poor quality
> > tooling. Garbage in, garbage out.
> >
> > David
>
> Funny. I seem to recall cathedrals and churches that have been standing for
> hundreds of years made with wooden squares and inferior metal chisels.

They weren't inferior for thier time, or the application, or the
buildings would have never been finished. If those chisels weren't
properly heat treated, they couldn't cut stone, or shape wood beams.
Who says a wood square can't be accurate? They weren't working to a
mil. 1/4" was probably closer than they needed.

> I
> disagree that "a workman is only as good as his tools." Freeing a stuck
> piece of pipe and getting the machine to work again happens whether you are
> using a Ridgid pipe wrench or a HF Chinese POS.

I've seen cheap Chinese POS pipe wrenches strip the teeth out of the
jaws on first use.

> Too many men I have seen
> have become overconfident by owning good tools, and like computers, the tool
> will do so much more than the operator knows how to make it do. You show me
> a craftsman that knows EVERY trick and variance to using all the tools in
> his box, and I will show you one damn fine craftsman.

No one knows everything, but a true craftsman will always be on the
lookout for a better way to do a job.

> And then there's the rest of us. We all have tools in our toolchests and
> garages that we don't fully understand how to use, or barely know how to
> operate.

Sorry about that, but I can use every tool I have. Not that I have
access to all trhe machine tools I used to use.

[Michael A. Terrell]

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >

> > What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)
>
> A "Sears Craftsman" these days? :-)
>
> They *used* to be a lot better. (E.g back in the late 1960s and
> early 1970s.

I gave up on Sears tools 20 years ago. I can't bring myself to call
them by the 'C' word.

[Ignoramus14555]

On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-06, Steve B <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
>> news:k4nc52$mhm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> No significant metal comment.
>>>
>>> Will check back after the elections.
>>
>> I have been busy DOING metalwork.
>
> I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
> motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
> started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
> everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
> after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
> 2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(
>

I heard about it, did not know that it was you, very sorry to hear
that, I hope that everything recovers.

i

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-10-06, Ignoramus14555 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.14555.invalid> wrote:
> On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

>>> I have been busy DOING metalwork.
>>
>> I *was* -- converting my old Bridgeport BOSS-3 to newer DC servo
>> motors and LinuxCNC (was EMC2) control -- until the BiJur lubricator
>> started a fire. Now I'm waiting for the insurance company to pull
>> everything out and evaluate it -- and rip out the drywall and replace it
>> after checking the wiring. Burning a liter of Vactra No. 2 in a closed
>> 2-car garage really makes a mess. :-(
>>
>
> I heard about it, did not know that it was you, very sorry to hear
> that, I hope that everything recovers.

Thanks. It will be probably a couple of months before I know
what the status of everything is.

If you want to see just how much of a mess burning a liter of
Vactra No. 2 makes, take a look here:

<http://www.d-and-d.com/DISASTER/SHOP-1/index.html>

I can't really spend much time in there with my asthma and all
the burnt oil and plastic fumes. (Including whatever the leftover from
burning Teflon insulation may happen to be.)

Thanks,

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-10-06, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

[ ... ]

> I have some crap tools, but I didn't buy them. They were in the
> bottom of free boxes of junk electronics I picked up for parts. Early
> Japanese imports that make everything at HF look like they are made for
> top notch machinists. One of these days I'll dig them out & take
> photos. :)

I remember those days. Drill bits made of "butter steel" and
the like.

But the Japanese (who probably already had really good tools for
use in their own industries) were making really nice precision cameras
and such back then.

So -- there may be hope for the Chinese and even the Indian
tools over time.

Enjoy,

[Michael A. Terrell]

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2012-10-06, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > I have some crap tools, but I didn't buy them. They were in the
> > bottom of free boxes of junk electronics I picked up for parts. Early
> > Japanese imports that make everything at HF look like they are made for
> > top notch machinists. One of these days I'll dig them out & take
> > photos. :)
>
> I remember those days. Drill bits made of "butter steel" and
> the like.
>
> But the Japanese (who probably already had really good tools for
> use in their own industries) were making really nice precision cameras
> and such back then.
>
> So -- there may be hope for the Chinese and even the Indian
> tools over time.

Some of their hardware is already fairly good. The rest has a ways to
go, but they seem to be making progress.

[Larry Jaques]

No, true craftsmen don't need all those silly, overpriced green-
colored tools to create works of art. They can do it with HF tools if
that's what's handy. Leave 'em be, will ya, guys?

--
You never hear anyone say, 'Yeah, but it's a dry cold.'
-- Charles A. Budreau

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:00:34 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

Wanna see my 45-degree compression Japanese drillbit? I found it
again the other day. Note the precision twist... It's from the late
'60s, I believe. It was rather startling to feel it deform that day,
but what I found afterward was the most startling.
http://www.homeandgardenhandyman.com/funpics/1960sJapaneseDrillbit.jpg
The rust is from it sitting on my sink while I did dishes.

Show me yours, boys and girls! <minds outta the gutter>

[Larry Jaques]

I read an article about some custom work being done in China recently.
It repeated the warnings that you must absolutely specify what the
item will be used for. Their engineers will produce anything you want
but you have to tell the salesmen every single little detail in order
of precedence or they might give you something very inexpensive which
will work exactly as you specified but no better, and it will die on a
simple job which it should have been specified for, had you had your
ducks in a row. It's a matter of honor for them, so be exceedingly
precise in what you ask for. They'll damned well give it to you.
If you don't specify that quality is #1, you might get butter steel.

A whole lot of crap tools happened onto the market when a few people
said only "it should be able to do this and I want it done cheap."

[jon_banquer]

On Oct 5, 11:02 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> alan...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>
> >     That is the woodworking newsgroup. I gave it up years ago -
> > too much yap about crappy tools
>
>    Poor craftstmen always blame their tools.

Poor craftsman never come up with innovative ideas and instead resort
to trite sayings like:

"Poor craftsman always blame their tools."

[Ignoramus14555]

On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
> If you want to see just how much of a mess burning a liter of
> Vactra No. 2 makes, take a look here:
>
> <http://www.d-and-d.com/DISASTER/SHOP-1/index.html>
>
> I can't really spend much time in there with my asthma and all
> the burnt oil and plastic fumes. (Including whatever the leftover from
> burning Teflon insulation may happen to be.)

DoN, thanks a lot for bringing those pictures.

Based on your story, I added a cron job to E-Stop my Bridgeport
Interact every day at 6pm.

I do not want it to be left "up" and forgotten for possibly days, as
in on weekend.

When E-stopped, there is NO power to the lube pump, servos, DC drives
etc.

i

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:57:17 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > What kind of craftsman owns crappy tools? ;-)
> >>
> >> Those in need of better tools?
> >
> > So they can keep doing crappy work? :(
>
> No, true craftsmen don't need all those silly, overpriced green-
> colored tools to create works of art. They can do it with HF tools if
> that's what's handy. Leave 'em be, will ya, guys?

About half my tools are from HF, but I look them over before buying
them. I always favored Xcelite for electronics, until 'Cooper Group'
bought them.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> I read an article about some custom work being done in China recently.
> It repeated the warnings that you must absolutely specify what the
> item will be used for. Their engineers will produce anything you want
> but you have to tell the salesmen every single little detail in order
> of precedence or they might give you something very inexpensive which
> will work exactly as you specified but no better, and it will die on a
> simple job which it should have been specified for, had you had your
> ducks in a row. It's a matter of honor for them, so be exceedingly
> precise in what you ask for. They'll damned well give it to you.
> If you don't specify that quality is #1, you might get butter steel.
>
> A whole lot of crap tools happened onto the market when a few people
> said only "it should be able to do this and I want it done cheap."

Like the new Iphone? ;-)

[Gunner]

I bought a set much like that once in the late 70s. Didnt bend it..but
it sure turned int into a reamer when it unwound the flutes

Gunner

--
Adde cruorem stultitiae, atque ignem gladio scrutare:
To your folly add bloodshed, and stir the fire with the sword (Horace)

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-10-07, Ignoramus14555 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.14555.invalid> wrote:
> On 2012-10-06, DoN. Nichols <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>> If you want to see just how much of a mess burning a liter of
>> Vactra No. 2 makes, take a look here:
>>
>> <http://www.d-and-d.com/DISASTER/SHOP-1/index.html>
>>
>> I can't really spend much time in there with my asthma and all
>> the burnt oil and plastic fumes. (Including whatever the leftover from
>> burning Teflon insulation may happen to be.)
>
> DoN, thanks a lot for bringing those pictures.
>
> Based on your story, I added a cron job to E-Stop my Bridgeport
> Interact every day at 6pm.

Good plan -- as long as you never expect to use it through that
period. :-)

> I do not want it to be left "up" and forgotten for possibly days, as
> in on weekend.
>
> When E-stopped, there is NO power to the lube pump, servos, DC drives
> etc.

That was the plan for this. But I had a box with switches to
enable various things during testing. (Everything is controlled by sold
state relays.)

The reason which I *had* for switching off the lube pump was
experience with an Anilam conversion of a Taiwanese Bridgeport clone
which we had at work. If the controller box was left on, the lube pump
would run all night, or all weekend, and we would find a puddle in the
base of the machine -- all wasted Vacra No. 2.

I also planned a timer so the lube pump would have to be on for
fifteen minutes (the cycle time) before the servo amps and the spindle
motor's VFD would be enabled.

I'm not sure, but I *think* that the fire got started rather
quickly after I left the room. (I smelled nothing before I left, and it
was just a few minutes accepting a plate of food from my wife in the
kitchen and then heading upstairs when I smelled the fire.)

The main trick (assuming that you have an equally old lube pump)
is to make sure that there is nothing flamable near it. There was a
long cardboard box, and the protective cover from a fluorescent fixture
not yet fully installed) leaning against it, and bumped by the table
during test drives with a pot (also in the box) controlling the servo
amps. It caught fire and carried it down to the floor below the lube
pump.

I think that without the path to the floor, the fire on top of
the pump would have simply burned itself out without having lit off the
contents of the reservoir.

Good Luck,

[DoN. Nichols]

On 2012-10-07, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:32:52 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>>Wanna see my 45-degree compression Japanese drillbit? I found it
>>again the other day. Note the precision twist... It's from the late
>>'60s, I believe. It was rather startling to feel it deform that day,
>>but what I found afterward was the most startling.
>>http://www.homeandgardenhandyman.com/funpics/1960sJapaneseDrillbit.jpg
>>The rust is from it sitting on my sink while I did dishes.

Yep -- early Japanese "butter steel" drill bits.

Hmm ... Oxwall -- the vendor of sets of butter steel
screwdrivers, too. :-)

Was this in a hand-held drill motor, or in a drill press? (Or
perhaps and "eggbeater" drill?)

Ever try to duplicate it on other sizes?

>>Show me yours, boys and girls! <minds outta the gutter>
>
>
> I bought a set much like that once in the late 70s. Didnt bend it..but
> it sure turned int into a reamer when it unwound the flutes

:-)

The one shown above got a reverse twist between the bend and the
shank. :-)

Enjoy,

[Larry Jaques]

On 7 Oct 2012 20:05:35 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com>
wrote:

>On 2012-10-07, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:32:52 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>>Wanna see my 45-degree compression Japanese drillbit? I found it
>>>again the other day. Note the precision twist... It's from the late
>>>'60s, I believe. It was rather startling to feel it deform that day,
>>>but what I found afterward was the most startling.
>>>http://www.homeandgardenhandyman.com/funpics/1960sJapaneseDrillbit.jpg
>>>The rust is from it sitting on my sink while I did dishes.
>
> Yep -- early Japanese "butter steel" drill bits.
>
> Hmm ... Oxwall -- the vendor of sets of butter steel
>screwdrivers, too. :-)
>
> Was this in a hand-held drill motor, or in a drill press? (Or
>perhaps and "eggbeater" drill?)

Black and Decker 3/8" VSR drill.

> Ever try to duplicate it on other sizes?

I decided that the set was probably somewhat uniformly SHIT, so, no.
;)

>>>Show me yours, boys and girls! <minds outta the gutter>
>>
>>
>> I bought a set much like that once in the late 70s. Didnt bend it..but
>> it sure turned int into a reamer when it unwound the flutes
>
> :-)
>
> The one shown above got a reverse twist between the bend and the
>shank. :-)
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

--

Energy and persistence alter all things.
--Benjamin Franklin

[grmi...@rogers.com]

On 7 Oct 2012 20:05:35 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <BPdnic...@d-and-d.com>
wrote:

>On 2012-10-07, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:32:52 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>>Wanna see my 45-degree compression Japanese drillbit? I found it
>>>again the other day. Note the precision twist... It's from the late
>>>'60s, I believe. It was rather startling to feel it deform that day,
>>>but what I found afterward was the most startling.
>>>http://www.homeandgardenhandyman.com/funpics/1960sJapaneseDrillbit.jpg
>>>The rust is from it sitting on my sink while I did dishes.
>
> Yep -- early Japanese "butter steel" drill bits.
>
> Hmm ... Oxwall -- the vendor of sets of butter steel
>screwdrivers, too. :-)
>
> Was this in a hand-held drill motor, or in a drill press? (Or
>perhaps and "eggbeater" drill?)
>
> Ever try to duplicate it on other sizes?
>
>>>Show me yours, boys and girls! <minds outta the gutter>
>>
>>
>> I bought a set much like that once in the late 70s. Didnt bend it..but
>> it sure turned int into a reamer when it unwound the flutes
>
> :-)
>
> The one shown above got a reverse twist between the bend and the
>shank. :-)
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

A couple years back, Junior raided his FiL's stock of dull, broken and
mutilated drill bits and brought them to me to play with on my DD750.
Among them I found what I think started out as a carbide tipped
masonry drill which had lost it's carbide and been sharpened and used
to attempt perforating steel.. After I cut off the mutilated section I
rough ground it and finished it on the DD, then I drilled a hole
through it and wired on a printed tag: "Drill Shaped Object, use only
to make holes in room temperature BUTTER"
When Fil spotted that in his supply of sharp bits, he totally lost it.
The "Drill Shaped Object" occupies a place of honour over his bench!
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada